Leeds Banter Archive December 21 2020

 

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21 Dec 2020 19:20:56
Re the bottom 6 dogfight

Next game Burnley at home

Burnley currently beating Wolves 2 nil to add to their recent win at Arsenal. Doesn't look particularly like Burnley will be one of the three bottom teams come end of season.
Dour yes but generally solid they usually are quite hard to score against. sort of Berm's ideal team in a way, I may be wrong.

So the bottom 3 teams ar end of season could be any 3 of


Sheff Utd?
West Brom?
Fulham?
Brighton?
Leeds?
Newcastle?

And Possibly
Burnley?
Palace?
Arsenal?
Another team?

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21 Dec 2020 20:35:32
Brighton
West Brom
Sheff Utd.

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21 Dec 2020 20:52:09
You are right I love Burnley and what shauns dyce has done

Year after year they spend little yet stay up. Some years they push for Europe some years they end up bottom half but every year they over achieve full of respect for them and how they get the job done with the players and budget they have.

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22 Dec 2020 09:36:52
Burnley are anti football . I would rather watch paint dry . But Dyche has a formula which in their budget works for them . They will low block us, look to counter and score at set pieces . They are monsters to our Lilliputians! They will beat us . But we will beat Brom . To finish the year on 20 points from 16 games . Which is above par for survival . As for the relegation places Blunts and Brom are gone . But don’t count on Fulham to be the final team they have got their act together also . It’s any of seven for that final place .

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21 Dec 2020 19:06:59
Burnley returning to their normal selves this evening, comfortably 2-0 up vs Wolves just now, the Wolves that just beat Chelski, crazy league this year.

Still pretty one dimensional Burnley very strong through the midfield and strong in air on crosses and set pieces.

What could go wrong?

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21 Dec 2020 17:34:02
If you need a bit of cheering up watch the under 23s thump Fulham 7-1 today. Statement of intent that Hernadez, Costa, Robert's and Poveda all had good and influéncial stints. Cresswell, Huggins, Cody, Greenwood all looking good. And guess what, we scored two beautiful goals from unstoppable headers by Robert's and Cresswell and both corners by Costa! Now there's a few ideas!

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21 Dec 2020 18:19:08
good to know mate.

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21 Dec 2020 18:20:36
Will definitely watch it Spanish.

Do you think that Cresswell could make the big step up to EPL matches from now?

And Geldhert too?
(As Struick and Davis have done so this season fairly well so far) .

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21 Dec 2020 20:04:21
If only we could translate that to first team games! Will thse younglings ever be ready?

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21 Dec 2020 20:22:47
There's only one way to find out Alf.

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22 Dec 2020 00:43:00
The inswinging pacy very dangerous corners by Costa were excellent setting up 2 aggressive purposeful headed goals on the run by Tyler and Cresswell

Bravo lads.

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21 Dec 2020 14:57:26
News which has come out today in relation to Forshaw is that he indeed suffered a relapse in training earlier in the season. Think it was 🇨🇦 who said can't see him playing for us again. Seems about right but you never know. Shame.

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21 Dec 2020 15:49:30
Shame indeed, defensively he would have been a big help right now.

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21 Dec 2020 16:13:46
Yes I did mention that and am saddened by it. Seemed a solid player and did fit in with our style.
Was it him getting injured that gave Klich the chance to get a run in the team? So long ago I can't remember.

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21 Dec 2020 19:54:57
Yes I think it was Canada.

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21 Dec 2020 14:44:51
My view is that a 15th to 17th finish us realistic. More positive fans believe we will definitely finish higher than that. If either is true we should not be buying anybody in the January window unless, of course, they are much better than what we have and at a fair and reasonable price. The chances of that are very slim so I expect the club to hang on till the Summer. Buying in January is usually a sign of desperation or attempt to win something. Hope it's not the former and I don't think it will be the latter.

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21 Dec 2020 16:15:21
Unless of course the current the virus situation changes the window and allows good value to be had.
Lots of talk of french league being in financial trouble although I'd like us to go for Junior Firpo from Barcelona as a left back.

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21 Dec 2020 16:28:26
Hess Disagree with most of the points in your post. See us finishing higher than 15th. I think 9th is achievable. Also, chances are not "very slim" of signing someone better than what we have and reasonably priced. I see the chances of being about average. We are quite a popular PL team with some money. It's becoming clearer to me the weak link in the team is Klich and the new plan is to replace, rest, give him competition. He's a very good player but the combination of our style of play, the frenetic pace and quality of the PL plus all the games he's played for us over the last 2.5 years means he needs a breather. Management must see it. We fans can. I can see us going in for De Paul. We need more running to accommodate Bielsa's style. We need De Paul's heatmap! Yes, we could use better defenders but Cressy is coming through, Llo is back soon and Koch and Bera should both return end of February. With the 49ers about to increase their stake at this particular time, I see De Paul acquisition or similar in the very near future. I also disagree with your statement that a January signing represents an attempt to win something or desperation. Stability and preservation of status for financial reasons will be the reason for the signing. Finishing 17th not good for morale or health of fans who deserve better. Just a tweak that's needed and it's all about Klich.

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21 Dec 2020 16:47:42
Interesting. The good thing about speculation in football you can normally hang around to see what actually happens. The point I was attempting to make is that if we are sure of staying up. Don't bring anybody until the summer. If we were struggling because of the small squad, suspensions, loss of form etc then January it is. But in my book that would represent desperate measures. If we are not close to european football and we're not going down leave well alone.

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21 Dec 2020 18:21:52
again it is intent and perspective

teams like Cardiff and Norwich spent nothing and went down, is having the great belisa and spending 100million really only going to make difference of 19th to 17th? is that a good return for money spent

If I was the board I would be expecting top half finish for the money spent and with the strength of our squad I would not be happy with a relegation dog fight. we are better than that.

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21 Dec 2020 19:28:20
Long way to go Bermo . George on the money mate.
Let’s be honest Rad surprised us all in summer and this time I wouldn’t be shocked if a big signing arrives in next window. Depaul would be great.

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21 Dec 2020 20:54:42
If we sign someone I’d like Charlie Taylor or a solid left back I would say a solid dm like batty but not sure still exists?

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21 Dec 2020 21:02:16
At start of season I predicted from 12th to 15th final placing. However ( so far at least) the concession of so many goals in many games makes Hess prediction of from 15th to 17th more likely.

The thing is finishing as low as 17th, so close to the bottom 3, would have made for a very stressful ( although ultimately finally relieving) season. So I do really, really hope we can finish a fair bit higher than 17th. The next 2 games are winnable and very important.

# points accumulation.

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21 Dec 2020 22:14:40
squad we have with rads investment made me think around 8th-11th my point is we have a quality gaffer so why is expectation so low?

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21 Dec 2020 14:30:56
Another 8 goal fest. U-23s beating Fulham 7-1 at Thorp Arch including headers from corners for Tyler the Creator and Charlie Cresswell.

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21 Dec 2020 15:35:39
Great display from Cresswell George wasn’t it, love to see him in the mix. The goal he scored thumping header from corner he bullied their defence

Nice to see the aggression and desire from such a young lad.

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21 Dec 2020 15:48:23
Good news, result and performance.

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21 Dec 2020 16:17:03
For those who watch the U23 regularly how is the engine in Geldhart?
Really liked the little I saw of him at Wigan and was hoping a few months with the U23 would see him deemed ready for a place on the bench.

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21 Dec 2020 16:33:54
🇨🇦 What I like about Gelhardt is he seems to like shooting and "snapshooting", ie when there's only half a chance but more often than not his shot accuracy is there to see. Good running, dribbling and control of the ball. Reminds me of a Peter Beardsley in his prime. I don't see the harm of putting him on the bench for the first team.

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21 Dec 2020 19:30:32
Once again I agree George! He reminds me of a strong Beardsley.

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21 Dec 2020 19:54:43
That's the reason for my question George, I think he's an excellent player so just wonder if he hasn't got the stamina to make it in a Bielsa team.

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21 Dec 2020 11:57:26
Can't have no complaints even though it hurts.
They are better players and better team and obviously turned up for us.
We are good enough to survive.
But the defence a worry now with injuries.
I think goalie needs to catch the ball. Think we also need to move it forward from back quicker. Too many side ways passes then hoofing it when put under pressure. Gave the ball away far too much as usual. As I said after Newcastle game. Klich needs resting. also think we should have u23 striker on the bench.
A good central defender and striker in jan and we could be mid table. Think Rodrigo and Ralph always look quality but kp and klich in a slump atm.

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21 Dec 2020 12:32:36
Can't disagree Ausman - Sometimes Meslier moves it forward too quickly!
Klich looks shattered and does need a rest. I have also been worried about Cooper especially recent weeks lucky not to have a penalty given last week. A shame that Casey or Cresswell could come in alongside Koch or Llorente but a big ask to play alongside a RB filling in.
Be good to see Greenwood get 20 minutes.

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21 Dec 2020 12:42:58
Great review Aus,
I think you nailed it there think Klich has needed a break for few weeks now.

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21 Dec 2020 19:32:07
Nicely put Ausman although I think keeper doing well .

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Crystal Palace v Liverpool - A Liverpool Perspective

21 Dec 2020 07:39:21
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Crystal Palace v Liverpool - A Liverpool Perspective

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21 Dec 2020 13:28:58
Why was Sarah brought on when the game was eon Ed? Seems odd when if he was rested surely a full game off would have been better?

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21 Dec 2020 19:33:43
Sarah is just a big girls blouse!

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21 Dec 2020 06:27:20
Yesterday showed a couple of things of note. The first was that they had far better attackers than we had (makeshift defenders. Time to judge is when we have a settled back four and I am including the addition of a left back. Secondly that Bielsa will not waver from his plan A. If it does not work then it is not the fault of the Plan, it was merely executed wrongly? To a certain extent he is right, in that our attacks were building nicely to give them problems however our passing, at times, was woeful, allowing ManU to immediately counter attack, at pace, and threaten our undermanned, patched up, defence.
My worry now is that this has now shown every other manager the key to beating Leeds and Plan A. It starts with hard running and getting one or two dummy runners to pull away the man markers. Creating great gaps, there to exploit. We cannot rely on scoring one more than the opposition especially when you have a non clinical leader of the line.
Still, early days in our development and, as I say, we had 2 bob for transfers they have millions.

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21 Dec 2020 08:08:24
So assuming Leeds stay up and therefore with further investment / further recruitment of say another 4 better first team players next summer the question is :

Would you prefer another Coach next season or Bielsa and his plan A?

I expect the vast majority would understandably choose Bielsa.

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21 Dec 2020 08:17:08
Bielsa all day long for. me baz.

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21 Dec 2020 08:45:00
I love Bielsa and everything he has brought to our club and he should have this season of premiership football to show us what he can do in the top league over the whole season.

But. he has to take the vast majority of the playing staff with him or his high intensity enormous commitment style won’t work. With the Hernández and Costa stories coupled with a few really disjointed performances, there are a few creaks. At the end of the day Radz will make the call if needed before season end and in the summer down to Bielsa as well.

For me next two games are crucial to show some determination to come back from that and show the team spirit.

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21 Dec 2020 10:13:38
all posts above are very inttelentgent and make a lot of sense (as normal)

however I want to raise a couple of questions

I don't think it is clear cut as they have better attacker than us. Of course they have class attackers but their attackers all had more time and space to hurt us. this makes a huge difference. I think had we had there attackers and they had our defence and midfield we would of won

regarding belisa style and not having the players to execute this. if this is the case belisa has to adapt only a idiot or mad man would try and plan without the tools to carry it off, like trying to cut down a tree with a flip flop

personally I don't think the players are to blame I think the plan, the style, the one diamension of it. the lot. I blame belisa 100% if they players aren't good enough he has to change and if the players are good enough he has to change it. for me there is no logical way belisa can walk away from this not being at fault and at blame

all the pretty football fluff is nice if you like that kind of thing. getting spanked and having a joke of a defence is not acceptable so unless we have 1 billion to spend on players (even then it don't work look at Man City) or belisa has to change or leave.

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21 Dec 2020 10:35:41
Somewhere in the middle lies the path of enlightenment, grasshopper. I would stick with Bielsa but also look to experiment. A big ask I know, but if the U23s are drilled in Plan A then only a small leap for mankind. Without throwing cash at the problem then certainly there are holes that need patches. One such is LB but whether that is adressed in Jan or summer no one knows. I still believe a quality CB loan is a must in January. What we cannot do is rush back Llorente/ Koch this, in the long term, could have serious repercussions.

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21 Dec 2020 10:37:41
We don’t have a defense!
The problem is some of the players are simply not good enough for the Premier league especially with the system we play. In our build up play if we have too many misplaced places we will be under a lot of pressure on the counter attack as was proved yesterday. Those passes MUST be more consistently accurate for it to work.

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21 Dec 2020 11:49:54
We are missing both our CD due to injury, take any prem with the exception of Liverpool and remove there 2 CD, ville without mings and hause, spurs without dier and toby, even man u without Maguire and linde off, scumhampton as well, the list is endless, yes I don't like to lose 6 2, but the makeshift defence is all we can do,
Bielsa 4ever IMO.

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21 Dec 2020 12:07:32
We bought 2 defenders knowing we would need a better defence for this league and they are both injured. Other than recruit more or less injury prone players what do you expect? Man U would destroy most Championship defences let alone those without any defenders.

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21 Dec 2020 12:21:26
I think Bielsa is still the answer however he is still trying to do it with predominantly a Championship team.
We have players who in my opinion are playing above themselves and its starting to show.
Meslier - Will only get better, stick with him for his confidence. He seems to have one terrible pass in him a game but his shot stopping is one of the best in the league.
Koch, Llorente - When fit could be our Prem partnership for many years.
Cooper and Alioski are superb people and works so hard but sadly not good enough at this level as regulars - Good cover
Ayling and Bamford - Surprised me by their ability to step up and have done the job asked - Cannot critisise Ayling on CB role
Harrison, Rodrigo, Raphina Dallas, Shackleton Klich (although tired) happy with
Hernandez - Would struggle to play 90 minutes but good impact.
Costa - Showing why Wolves let him go - We have better.
Need CB cover maybe loan. LB and CF cover

THoughts.

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21 Dec 2020 15:10:47
Cambridge, said all along we should of bought Harrison then used the Citeh loan for Stones, also said Sessignon on loan to cover Lb, Welbeck was a free transfer, comes of the bench to score,
But we have wat we have, heard WBA want Jones on loan in Jan?

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21 Dec 2020 18:24:59
lodis has it spot on middle ground is the path of enlightenment. I agree with this. in most cases (football to politics) the truth often lies in the middle. my trouble is this. if the truth lies in the middle Belisa has to bend and adapt. I don't think he can do it. so he has to go. I have no problem with belisa if he learns and adapts but I think he will just blindly march into the void same way week in week out. and that worries me

he obviously never watched monkey as a lad.

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21 Dec 2020 06:13:14
I think it’s fair game if some fans believe Bielsa should go. On the surface the results alone without taking anything into consideration it would appear to be poor. But sadly this is a very blinkered view of what is really happening.
The obvious would be to take in account that defense is simply decimated by injuries. Secondly we have 2 or 3 players that of Klich, Costa and recently KP are not firing on all cylinders.
I’d say this is our blip.
However the most encouraging point is, is that we are still creating numerous chances in front of the oppositions goal. That alone gives me the faith and belief that our results will get better with time to see this season out safely.

As a reminder to the folks who have enough of Bielsa’s style of football and want a change, remember it was that same system that won us Championship. It was a winning formula then and will be in the Premiership once it fully set up.
I really don’t get the fans who demand instant success?
Even that irritating Veneral Disease would admit that they had to go through an adjustment season to get them more settled this season.

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21 Dec 2020 07:02:57
Optimistically, he may have won us the championship but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s going to win the premier ship, we have many years to wait for that to happen, we have no big investment like some do. and looking at our team yesterday we need to change many which will cost, think we need to play the game that one team is playing going up then down to come up then go down seems to work for them 170 million every season so far,

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21 Dec 2020 07:56:25
That is not the way - staying in the PL guarantees at least a 100 million from TV alone - not counting sponsorships and sales. The £170 figure is an estimate of the value of going up, and includes all these things. So staying and building is the way forward.

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21 Dec 2020 10:19:44
is it blinkered or insightful OP, let's be honest leeds are only playing exactly how I called it all along. yes injuries have not helped Kp playing how I thought he would (or not firing on all cylinders if you rate him) has not helped but at the end of the day for me this was all too easy to predict and gutting to see happen

remember we went up when the virus stopped the season, when the season was unstopped we fell away in the championship in record breaking fashion. the set plays, weak defence etc has been there all along, struggling to cope with physical teams, teams who sit back, teams that can win a corner or teams who break quick has been there all along.

that is why I have never fully been behind belisa, yes I have loved a lot of the great wins, yes I love promotion (although I think most managers would of got that team promoted, failure in the past don't make success any better than it is) but for me the problems have always been obvious and always been there and for me these problems have always had me on edge.

if we are anywhere near relegation this year the season is a failure. our players are better than that

I don't expect instant success, but same time I won't be happy with less than mid table, we are a mid table team. now time for the gaffer to prove he is as good as you lot say and not as flawed as I think.

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21 Dec 2020 10:47:47
Good post OP fair comment, as for your final paragraph 😃

Getting Koch and Llorente back and hopefully a ( loan) midfield signing and left back signing will hopefully help reduce goals concessions which remains a big concern.

I was wavering somewhat in my confidence in Bielsa but the Newcastle result and performance and return of Pablo has restored it.

The Man U game was a free hit the next 2 games are far more important.

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21 Dec 2020 15:07:22
Berm, when the season was unstopped we fell away in record breaking fashion?, we lost to Cardiff yes, we drew a few and won the league by 10 points, is that falling away, if so hope we fall away again over xmas.

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21 Dec 2020 18:26:55
sorry rcihiem I think I delscixy got muddled

the virus got us up. when we didn't have the virus break in belisa first season that was when we fell away in record breaking fashion

during belisa first year we was on record the worst team to be top ever. no other team has ever thrown away what we had to not go up. that is worrying.

the only time belisa has delivered is when the season has a break, that won't happen and belisa won't change. that should scare every leeds fan.

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21 Dec 2020 05:53:24
Kray Only 4 days to go! 😂😱😉😜🍆.

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21 Dec 2020 05:45:05
Berm, You really need to calm down. You're going to give yourself a heart attack. The last two seasons (at least) I've watched every match sat on the edge of my seat because the game was so important.

This season I can sit back and watch the unbelievably exhilarating football we play in the knowledge that WE AREN'T GOING DOWN! We also won't qualify for Europe, but we might have a run at the FA cup, I mean why not play our best side cos, WE AREN'T GOING DOWN!

Just enjoy this season as it is, cos if Bielsa leaves we may never see the like again.
Oh, and Merry Christmas to you and everyone else on the site. Oh and to the eds as well! 😉🎅🎅🎅.

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{Ed033's Note - ok thanks, Merry Christmas.

21 Dec 2020 08:07:51
Funny in it danum, before season started all we’re saying let’s sit back and enjoy the ride as mid table or just below will be excellent but now when we get beat you would think only a top 3 spot will do. Get real guys and enjoy the games because the scores and results are no more than we really expected, merry Christmas MOT.

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21 Dec 2020 08:19:55
Agreed martyn, the highs +lows are what the season will give us, i happy with that once the lows are not bottom 3 low 😂, ho ho ho all and keep the faith in Leeds utd 💪.

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21 Dec 2020 08:32:10
I think where better than mid table if we sort out passing in final third if it's not on come out and start again we're trying to force that last pass for me keep hold of it but man utd was good on day but we missed some sitters at vital times in game as for fans saying Bielsa should go you need wake up mot.

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21 Dec 2020 10:22:32
yeah daun you are right, I just get so hurt and angry when we lose

to keep letting in goals for fun really hurts. I don't expect top three but don't expect to let in 4 goals every other week either.

wigan I agree with you assessment of the passing but really, do you not think focus on defending might be of more importance right now?

truth is we would be top 10 if we didn't defend like a Sunday league team. we are champ league going forward but a f'ing joke at the back.

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21 Dec 2020 12:12:38
Absolutely Martyn. People expect miracles in our first Prem season with a Championship squad. Not going to happen, sorry.

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21 Dec 2020 01:21:23
Firstly guys, Merry Christmas to all the posters and admin on here, hope everyone can make the best of it wherever you are. In my part of Spain, having come out of the first phases of the virus reasonably well, we're having a tough time now. Been a horrible year and Leeds, Bielsa and these players have really brought me joy and excitement. I love watching us even on a wrenchingly tough day like yesterday.

Don't think we are really having any different argument on here to the one we had over the last two years. Bielsa is Bielsa, he won't change. Danum is right, how we play makes us who we are and how we accumulate points from wins and admirers from our performances. The key this year is to stay up and then review whether Bielsa style football is still the way forward.

Keen to see how the team respond in the next two games.

Stay safe everyone.

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21 Dec 2020 05:55:25
Feliz Navidad Spaniard 💛💙💛💙⚽️🥅🎅.

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21 Dec 2020 07:05:42
Great to hear from you Spanish! Glad you are safe and well!
As always a reasoned assessment of our current state of health! I believe also that we will not be adding to our squad in January so might as well accept that fact now!
We have Bielsa for the season, at least, so we need to get used to it! Yesterday was a bit hard to take but we were still driving forward in the last minutes so take some pride in the efforts!
Some on this site call for plan B but this is not something Bielsa believes in! He has a plan/ project/ style A
If parts of this plan are not working he attempts to fix them!
Otherwise you are losing faith in what you are trying to achieve and the manner in which you are trying to achieve that!
I will continue to enjoy the ride for the rest of the season and hope that with injured players back in the new year we continue to pick up enough points to at least survive!
Wish all of you guys on here a merry Christmas and hope for a safe and healthy new year!
Ps I think we should just ignore Villa dave and hopefully he might go away.

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{Ed0666's Note - you will add personel in January

21 Dec 2020 10:23:22
merry chirtsmas spanish and everyone and may 21 be better than 20.

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20 Dec 2020 22:48:44
I guess with now Cooper, Llorente and Koch sidelined that leaves us with a very makeshift defense. Maybe an opportunity for the young Charlie Cresswell? Surely he’ll be on the bench. If there are anymore defenders getting injured, the big Bob the grounds man and Mavis the tea lady will have to get kitted up.

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21 Dec 2020 10:28:52
Ok if they are over 6 ft tall!

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20 Dec 2020 22:48:22
After the West Ham game I felt fairly sure this could be Bielsa's final season.

But following tbe Newcastle result I have changed my mind And even today, in spite or perhaps because of this defeat AND a few others

IF we stay up, I think Bielsa will want another crack of the EPL next season. A few scores to settle.

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20 Dec 2020 22:29:39
Sorry I am late guys, I have been relaxing watching the game, final whistle went, and I must have fallen into a contented sleep.
Hope you have all enjoyed your weekend, don`t they just fly.

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21 Dec 2020 05:56:20
VillaDave This post of yours comes across as gloating.

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21 Dec 2020 07:38:25
VD. It must very boring supporting a team like yours. We always get talked about, good or bad. We are interesting, like a Neapolitan ice cream with chocolate sauce and hundreds and thousands. Therefore you will now and forever be known to me as Aston Vanilla! 🍦😂.

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21 Dec 2020 10:24:21
imagine sitting there waiting for another team to lose so you can post on a site. how sad is that existent?

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21 Dec 2020 13:52:29
Spot on Berm, that's a very sad VD existence indeed.

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20 Dec 2020 21:57:08
You can't keep give ball away in last third like we do especially against the better teams in prem Bielsa won't change and I don't want him too this is no disrespect to the players now bit you need quality players or they need to work at last third pass it leaves us wide open for me if that last pass is not on then come out and start again it's a shame because brilliant up to 30 or 40 yards from goal anyway we move MOT KEEP OUR HEADS HELD HIGH.

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20 Dec 2020 21:24:09
Big Sam out anyone?

Actually think Billic is the better Manager of the two his Croatian team taught England a football lesson.

But it’s another promoted Team like Fulham and ourselves finding the harsh realities of the Premier League, in particular how mistakes are punished.

There are still six (of the three required) teams below us and i consider any of them any given day, we can beat them.

I’m with Dannum we won’t go down but we will lose a few more yet until we are safe, and we will win a good few, especially when we can call on our first choice defenders in their best positions

Villa have improved with addition of Mings, Fulham’s improvement can be pinpointed back to the inclusion of their three new centre backs and we will be better, much better with our best defenders on the pitch.

Both Phillips and Klich let the defense down today and I think it was fair to hook them, shame it was all over after the first twenty minutes.

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21 Dec 2020 05:59:47
Class He's Wex's favourite. Baggies treated Bilic badly. He deserved more time. Where precisely did their board expect them to finish? In the Europa League spot? Pathetic and disloyal. Hope he takes them down then quits to take another job.

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