Leeds Banter Archive January 21 2012

 

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21 Jan 2012 23:25:56
Howson had to go. If we dont go
up he would have gone at the end
of the season for nothing. His
choice. Leeds or the premiership. No
contest. Bates/Grayson was right,
not the clowns in the kop who
damage the team with the negative
chanting. {Ed020's Note - could'nt agree more.

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I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU BUT WOULD LIKE TO ADD - I will shed no tear for Howson going - Unles the team is built around him with a 4-5-1 he is a padestrian. Personally I don't think he will be anything in the Premiership(Some will start mentioning the goals in games where he has helped Leeds win - I feel that they were few and far between). Use what little money is made to get a decent centre half in. Secondly stop chanting anti club(Bates) songs during the game - I was disgusted today! {Ed020's Note - as was i today, the chanting does nothing for nobody except put the players down, and i personally felt slightly embarrised from what i was hearing.}

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21 Jan 2012 22:27:55
i have o admit that before todays game i was saying to the lads we may as well start forsell up front (due to becchios lack of form)but after watching him for an hour or so i have to say he was shocking and it begs the question what the hell did he show at thorpe arch in a trial period to get a contract(shows how bad our defence is if he looks good enough for a contract in training)..i also listen to the bates out chants today and ask myself this....does he pick the team,does he prepars them ,does he motivate them..no he doesn't he just pays them,something isn't right throughout the team,todays first half was as bad as the 90 mins i sat through at barnsley,granted we got lucky when the keeper got sent off but in my opinion its papering over the cracks,anyone who was at the game today would have to agree we were awful,the question is this...on paper we look a half decent team so why are we not performing or looking interested,is it anxiety in the players or does it run deeper than that..larry says he still wants another 2 or 3 players,(by the way that means he is abandoning another 3 that he brought to the club)for the sake of lufc and for your own sake larry use the howson cash wisely and quick!

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SG could scout Messi and think he he is not good enough.Probably why we are linked with Clingon! SG and Bates.

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Bates made it pretty clear the Howson cash isn't going back into the team in yesterday's program notes by saying we'd already overspent our budget by 2mill.

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Overspent ?? We have only bought Lonners this season for under 200k

Gradel money

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KASPER?

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So not too long ago Bates and Grayson said we had money to spend now we have over spent by 2 million,didn't see that one coming did we ! In other words nothing will be happening this window except out goings,GET LOST BATES !!

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No, but uncle Scrooge does have a lovely extension on his Monaco mansion so at least something good has come out of it.

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21 Jan 2012 22:12:31
a good win today, but it's clear the rug has been pulled from under Grayson. half the squad hates him, the other half have eyes elsewhere, and the chairman is just waiting for the right moment to sack him. i still think starting fresh is the only answer, and would back giving David Weir a chance to prove himself as player/manager.

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Weir hasnt his eufa badges fact....mcoist interview as to why weir leaving gers to do his badges

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Player?my god he is 40,we need a centre half who is imposing and has pace not a player who is past his sell by date {Ed020's Note- player/manager.

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He is 41 and not good enough.

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I'm original poster, i'd sign him mainly as manager but allow him to play if he wants to, as he has stated. was also sure you don't need uefa badges to manage in the football league?

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So you want a manager who will have to divide his time between doing his badges( a requirement) running Leeds,playing.by a man of no managerial experience no track record who's playing days are well and truly behind him? As they say here catch yourself on! Wise up! Wind your knock in! Post something positive!

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Again, coaching badges can be done easily while in the job, and are not a pre-requisite to manage outside of the top flight.

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Mate wake up we want to get better you need experiance not a 41 year old has been with no managerial know how ,look at the agree/disagrees on yer post so enough and run along back to bed ffs.

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21 Jan 2012 21:50:26
Anyone think that we should all chant for snodgrass next game so that hopefully the board will realise how much we love him and will male him captain instead of kisnorbo or lonergan

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We do love him but he's not captain material. Too volatile, rants at referees, switches off when he's not in the mood, plays in the wrong position to be captain...

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When Beckford was made captain against the gas he played better than he had ever done before. It gave him a drive and determination to help out team mates and ensure everyone did their job (he wasn't lazy). I think a vocal snodgrass who already gives his all is an ideal candidate and it might make him more consistent if he is setting the example to others.

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21 Jan 2012 21:43:47
Before you read this, I promise this is true!
I went into a bar in Wetherby the other day and sat down on a table together were Billy Paynter and Paul Connely, I wanted to know about the situation at ER so I asked them both why we haven't seen them near the pitch for a while
Paul said his career was finished at Leeds and he'd been used as a scapegoat after the Barnsley game where there were many other poor performers
Billy said that since he has come back from Brighton, Grayson has refused to speak to him and he also said he was probably finished at Leeds (thank God)
Finally I asked them both what's happened to Andy OBrien and they both looked at each other, started laughing and said "Sorry mate, we can't tell you that one!"

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Believable, both scousers, both unwanted at the club. makes sense they'd be mates.

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I don't believe people post stuff like this, and that people believe them. Why would they speak to a complete stranger about that sort of thing? Get real! {Ed020's Note - it does happen, i was in a pub in wetherby and bumped into crowe, sheehan and andy robinson when they were still on the payroll at leeds couple of years ago, there people just like you and me, and do chat if your friendly.

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Once fell in to the company of windass some12 years ago,he couldn't keep his gob shut about his then manager and fellow pros,so I believe the post ,it's obvious Grayson doesn't have full support of players/fans.

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No manager will have the support of the full squad since there will always be players he's decided are not good enough even if he brought them in himself.

If Grayson's decided not to play Connolly & Paynter again and they're sulking about it in a pub do any us of really care? If it was Clayton & Snoddy I'd be bothered, but really, Barn Door and Connolly??

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My parents lived in Collingham during the O'Leary years - they used to see Leeds players all the time in the pubs - I believe Lee Sharpe even owned a share in one of the pubs there, The Old Star, so I can believe this post. As Ed says - just normal blokes, and we can all talk too much after a couple of beers...

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I was in the pub the other day and Xavi and Iniesta were in there ( obviously believable as there both Spanish) and even though I have never seen them before they started telling me about the current tactics, training schedules and how they are going to catch real Madrid in the league. Just before Xavi went for a piss I said, how are you gonna deal with Ronaldo in El Classico and they both looked at each other and laughed and said " we can't tell you that I'm afraid". Then Iniesta stood up and went to the toilet with Xavi to help him shake off............ True story

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All true because I was there - but you forgot to mention the best bit, that Messi was trying to get off with that really hairy barman. What's it got to do with Leeds United though? Unless they were all over here to learn about Yorkshire culture before talking terms with Ken...

Lee Sharpe also once appeared on Corrie as a taxi driver - useless pub quiz fact of the day...

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21 Jan 2012 21:31:45
just wish papper smurf would do the right thing and SELL the club, his hart is not at leeds and never has been. we need a person who cares about the club and is willing to work the management not against them.

we have got delph back who is a class player, and jonny is going the other way. heard that snodgrass has had it and stopped talks over his contract.

this is what i mean we lost out on beckford as bates would not caugh up the money for his wages, and it looks like we are going to lose two more players in the same way.

i can only say one thing


KEN BATES OUT !!!!!

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Not too keen on Bates myself but I can't afford the club and Bates is not one to give in to pressure. Let's stop wasting our energy on Bates and get back to supporting the team properly - they need us Marching On Together...

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If you were making lots of cash out of a company ,would you stop because the people didn't like you,especially when you hate them ! Even more reason to stay there.

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21 Jan 2012 21:19:52
Leeds are over budget by nearly 2m for the year,simons budget was 9.5 m and so far we have spent over 11m,I say bulls**t show us the proof.today that team on the pitch cost less than 3m and the likes of snodds,becchio,clayton,lees and more were already there.

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I think that was a reference to the whole budget - loans, signing on fees, salaries etc. Pretty poor budget for a team wanting premiership football. Given that there are teams below who've spent more than that this year on transfers alone I think we've done OK. Depressing to watch sometimes though...

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What sort of budget are West Ham and Leicester running on then? 30-40 mil?

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21 Jan 2012 20:20:19
i love how some people are making the Howson sale out to be the worst thing to ever happen to the club since the freefall from CL Semis to League 1

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21 Jan 2012 20:11:55
Was talking to an ex Leeds legend at the game today who was telling me that the Leeds wage budget is £13m per year the highest in the championship. Also all the money from sales plus additional funds from bates is available for sg to spend on new players. So you have to ask yourself why have we signed no players? Is it that bates is lining his pockets or that Grayson lacks the stature to pursuade players to sign. Thought Leeds were average today and it took a sending off to get us back in the game. Before people start I hate bates as much as any other normal fan but Is bates responsible for the team selection or tactics or the training? The problem with the team is Grayson. Before anyone starts again Ive always been a fan of Grayson but we can do better and just because he's Leeds through and through doesn't make him qualified to manage us into the premier league. We need to show support for the boys out on the park and hope we can salvage something from a very inconsistent season.

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Public knowledge that the entire year's budget is 9m - salaries, transfers, loan fees, signing on fees - everything. In the programme today and seems consistent with previous filed accounts. So, apart from this being BS, our entire staff fund is less than a number of other teams' transfer kitties. What's more, most weeks we've put out the second cheapest team in the league in terms of transfer fees and yet we're 9th. That says to me Grayson is a pretty effective manager. If he'd had Leicester type money and we were fighting relegation then you'd have a point, but he hasn't and you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Stop whining, go research the financial facts instead of listening to, or making up conversations with, 'ex-Leeds legends' who are, in any case, all paid employees of Ken Bates if they're at the games in an official capacity, and read the accounts, then start supporting the team.

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21 Jan 2012 19:19:10
The real reason why Howson has left is because Papa Smurf has renaged on agreement to bring better players in to help club get into the premiership. He feels that the club has not shown the same passion as himself.

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That's rubbish, it's well documented that he wanted premiership football, and was going to walk out on the club in the summer for nothing. He's far from irreplaceable, just wait and see what happens in the next week.

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21 Jan 2012 19:13:28
Only Grayson knows why Pugh has signed he is awful

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Solid, consistent player. Unspectacular but tackles well, makes sensible simple passes, mobile, gets forward, gets the odd goal. First decent left back we've had for years. Can't see your problem mate. A team full of Snoddys won't win anything. {Ed020's Note -

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Best left back you've seen for a while, do you watch games, AIDY WHITE??!! {Ed013's Note - I think Aidy would be a better winger, but that said, Leeds must tie him down to a new contract ASAP}

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To the last poster - yes I go to every home game and a few away. White gets caught forward a lot and lacks awareness. He's promising but not as solid as Pugh. The beef I have with lot of people on here is that they don't seem to understand that good football teams need balance and that no team will ever be a good team with a keeper plus 10 flair players. Every team needs a few of those but you also need the destroyers, the solid, consistent Pugh types etc. Pugh's a much better defender than White. Ed's right - Aidy looks a better winger to me - needs to learn to play with his head up a bit more though - shades of Andy Gray...

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Yes but Pugh isn't really that good I think you're over exaggerating his quality a bit.

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It's all relative - he's no Tony Dorigo or Terry Cooper and a very long way short of Paulo Maldini but for a team that's being fielding such luminaries as George McCartney and Fede Bessone he's definitely a big improvement. Good enough I think.

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21 Jan 2012 21:06:35
Funny as today, walking past the east stand to my seat in the NE corner it was nice to see our fans serenading the new exec boxes. C'mon boys I don't like the way our club is run, but will singing to the tossers who are getting a freebie isn't going to achieve anything. Was Papa Smurf even there today?

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21 Jan 2012 18:43:42
Time to protest agenst ken bates
22/1/12 5pm lets go in force.
lets do this for leeds united

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You had better ask your mum if you can go out first,let's try and steady the ship not rock it even more.Believe me I hate bates as much as you but all this protesting will make bates dig his heels in even more,for the sake of grayson and the lads,use that energy to support the team, cos bates is just laughing at ya and is going nowhere.

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You had better ask your mum if you can go out first,let's try and steady the ship not rock it even more.Believe me I hate bates as much as you but all this protesting will make bates dig his heels in even more,for the sake of grayson and the lads,use that energy to support the team, cos bates is just laughing at ya and is going nowhere.

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That's right. The team were greeted with nothing but Bates out chants today and looked nervous from the start. We should be supporting the lads during games not putting them off. I hate Bates too but today we were not the great fans that we like to think we are...

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Plus, he'd need a good eyesight to see the protest from south africa.

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I just want to see leeds prmoted sorry
and some how can get us there but that is not happening intill we get some one with money like i said sorry

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Lets be honest most of this team can not cut it at this level and would flounder in the prem remember the cup game against the man u 2nd 11 forget promotion this season, make some money on players that are not good enough for this club and sign some that are and will not only get us to the prem but have a chance of keeping us there is grayson up to the task we will know that by the end of the season

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21 Jan 2012 18:29:32
3 points and some of you are still moaning? what happened to us being UNITED! {Ed013's Note - Well said}

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They're all armchair 'fans' - wouldn't worry about it...

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21 Jan 2012 18:23:14
I think the story regards to snodgrass ending contract talks is rubbish.

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Your rubbish The story is true get YOUR facts right !!!

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Me too. People trying to rock the boat...

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21 Jan 2012 17:47:37
I think McCarthy has paved over the huge cracks in our team. Don't get me wrong I'm delighted with the result but in all fairness why can't we perform against 11 men these days. Some of the results have really been shocking this season. Everyone will now jump on my back now saying I'm being negative and get behind the team and Grayson. I'll admit I don't get to many games as I reside in Ireland but try to get over 5 or 6 times a year and any game I go to for the 90 odd minutes I fully get behind the team and cheer them on to the last regardless of the score as I believe we should always support them during matches. However I do still feel I'm perfectly entitled to my opinion that after any game I can voice my praise or concern of the team and in my honest opinion we are a very average side in a very average league this season. People will say it's a very difficult league that anyone can beat anyone, that doesn't prove it's difficult because most teams have been weakened and the alleged better teams have been playing so poorly therefore it's a weaker league and any team who decided to take a chance and pump 10 or 20 million WISELY (don't start raving about Leicester - I said WISELY) into quality players for the club who easily go up. Yes I admit it is a gamble and would be a brave man to stump up the money but think of the rewards for them purely on a financial scale not just for Leeds any club who invested properly would have a serious edge on the rest of what can only be described as a league in rapid decline. I hope that made sense to some people??

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Exactly - you weren't at the game. We were on top when they scored a freak goal as a result of a rare Lonergan error. They lost heart for a while and the lack of support from the 'fans' was working very much in Ipswich's favour. On average we put out the second cheapest team in the league (Doncaster being the lowest cost but sometimes, like against Barnsley, that's been us) yet we're still in the top half of the table. So yes - you ARE being negative.

I want Bates out too, but we should be singing FOR the team during games. Today I was ashamed to be a Leeds fan. Don't be surprised if the players all ask for transfers if that's how we're going to support them.

And since you didn't see the game, played in a 55mph crosswind ffs, you have no right to comment on whether McCarthy did or didn't gift us the game - we got promoted with 10 men so it doesn't always make it easy when a player is sent off.

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To take the chants of Bates out into the ground is a disgrace,moan and chant all you like after the match,wont make a blind bit of difference to Bates,but its clear it unsettles the team,the majority of our fans are the best in the country,the minority are the worst,FFS,wheres MOT gone?,get behind the lads and Let Bates and SG manage as long as they are there,time for more signings yet,keep the faith. {Ed013's Note - I totally agree mate}

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21 Jan 2012 17:44:27
Look if you've got nothing positive to say f*** off, 7 pts from 9 is that sackable form no,so get behind the team and no more grayson out talk till after the birmingham game,which I hope we win and simon is here for years to come.

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We are all happy to win but are luck will run out we are poor under grayson time he went,we wont be playing 10 men every week .

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7 points from 9 clearly not good enough for the 'disagrees' because they're THICK. Full of hate - wish they'd go support SCUM - secretly they probably do.

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We are at the minute,the ref is turning into our 12th man.

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Earlier in the season we outplayed Boro and Ipswich but lost after having players sent off. That's how it goes. Over the course of a season these things tend to even out. The league table doesn't lie and we're a point off the play offs. And there would be a better chance of getting back in the top 6 if ER was to become the intimidating place it used to be - The Bates out stuff is clearly unsettling for the team and it's no surprise our home record this year is pretty poor.

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21 Jan 2012 17:33:22
grayson has said there would be no more sales

does that mean the crap like obrien, bromby paynter etc will not be leaving and stay draining or resources?

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No he said sales, can't see anyone paying a fee for the names mentioned.

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Brighton offered 150 k for paynter in summer but grayson wanted 250 k . we will be able to get something for the players which aint needed even if it just covers there wages for the time they have been at leeds

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I think he meant key players like white, snoddy, clayton etc

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You mean Poyet sanctioned paying actual money for Paynter? And some people on here still think we should sack Grayson and get Poyet? Below us in the league and wanting to pay money for Barn Door Billy - clearly a top manager..

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It'll be interesting to see what comes out of O'Brien's legal case next month. I thought he was pretty good last season and looked to have finally found a bit of form this season against Leicester after a very poor start when he went AWOL. Lots of rumours but mostly drivel I expect. {Ed020's Note - somethings knocked him, and i'll be the first to post when i find out.}

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21 Jan 2012 17:30:28
mccarthy played for leeds not ipswich

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Quite strange was at the game today and I swear he was in the Ipswich team? {Ed013's Note - And im sure he was sent off!!!}

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21 Jan 2012 17:27:19
bates isn't bothered weather we go up or not as long as we don't go down Grayson will be the manager as he is spending very little of bates money

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21 Jan 2012 17:26:42
Forsells goal V Newcastle - and Buck Rodgers and Matt Pattison last week

www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=LNZz3bnZciE

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21 Jan 2012 17:26:34
Missed the game due to being laid up after knee op, I can honestly say listening on the radio for the 1st half was awful, I'm more used to being there so I couldnt stomach listening to the 2nd half, could any one who went today say whether we got out of jail today to get the win,or did we actually wake up and start playing,I know the sending off probably turned the game but would we have beat 11 men.

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We were behind to 11 men, we didn't create clear cut chance all game, yes people will say we scored three goals, but I'm sure anyone at the game will back me up when I say that they made mistakes which give us the goals

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If we didn't create any chances, how did we manage to score three goals? Was the ball somehow miraculously beamed into the net via Star Trek technology? I've read some silly things on here today but 'not creating chances' when we scored three (and missed a couple) is quite impressively stupid. {Ed020's Note - it was some very poor defending on ipswich's behalf. was a poor performance all round, but 3 points is 3 points, and aslong as we get them, then what does it matter.}

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Most chances come as a result of defensive errors of some sort Ed - even if it starts in the opposition half. A chance is a chance no matter how it comes about - so it was still silly to say we didn't create chances - forcing errors creates chances as well as good football - they all count for 1 when they go in the net. And in those winds I doubt that good football was being played anywhere in the country! {Ed013's Note - I must say the pass for the equaliser from the Ipswich player was top class!}

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Well said ED

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21 Jan 2012 17:17:34
another game where we play pants .why can't we play well against 11 men

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21 Jan 2012 17:16:17
Once Howson sale goes through, go out SG and get Clingan, Kelly (Liverpool) and Lichaj. Use the proceeds! We'll have a solid team then. {Ed001's Note - Kelly is not available.}

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Why get 2 right backs

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Reality check boys in what world can Leeds afford to buy Kelly from Liverpool.

Derek

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21 Jan 2012 17:03:31
Doom and gloom merchants.

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21 Jan 2012 17:00:26
a win today but had 10 men to beat again,grayson hanging on by the skin of his teeth,not the guy to take us forward,but he will be here to the end of the season which is a shame in my view,need someone else in charge,

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Sack him during the celebration of our return to the PL. Kick him off Leeds city tour victory bus.

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If he is hanging on by the skin of his teeth then why will he be here at the end of the season? A bit of a massive contradiction in one small sentence. Playing against ten men is usually due to the fact that your putting pressure on them...that's a good thing bye the way!

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21 jan 2012 16:43:27
mccormack save sg job again!!

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He saved graysons job? What in your little mind that is. If he did save his job then it's a good thing he bought him for 250k he is now supposed to be worth 2.5 mill and he is our top scorer, well done Simon.

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Thought the Grayson lovers say SG doesn'tbuy players nd blame bates for the lackof transfer activity,make your mind up.

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21 Jan 2012 16:36:53
Should we just call ourselves Robert Snodgrass Football Club........until we sell him in about a week, obviously.

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Where would we be without those Scots? And an Argentinian?

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21 Jan 2012 16:35:26
MCCARTHY IS A LEEDS FAN!

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Its a shame we couldnt keep him,much better than Lonergan,think SG tried to buy him,didnt come off though,would we have won today if he hadnt been sent off?,I doubt it.

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21 Jan 2012 16:34:49
Yet again were playing against 10 men, I think Alex McCarthy sent off as he loves Leeds, we need all the help possible 1-1 Gj

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21 Jan 2012 16:33:47
1.1 snoddy

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21 Jan 2012 16:30:44
Ten men once again and we still wont win

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Thats problem with some leeds 'fans' these days, always counting the chickens before they hatch, have some fath man!!

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Eat your f*****g words son! eat them good! hope you choke on them!!

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What was that you said, I bet your gutted we have won.

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Your faith in the team you 'support' is sad

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Ok but we won 3-1

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Ok but we won 3-1? R u 4 real, do yourself a favour and at least wait until 96 mins have been played b4 u try and ram your sad little minded opinion down everyones throats, your opinion is yours not everyone's!

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21 Jan 2012 16:29:42
We need sg and bates out of the club cos where never going up with them two at the helm

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We will get lucky and go up this season

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21 Jan 2012 16:24:20
remember at the start of the season when Grayson said 'lower expectations', so even he expected us not to do as well as last season, some fans seem to forget that and still expect us to be a Championship winning team, lets face it, were not, Graysons hands are tied by Mr Bates and his 20p transfer budget, hes doing what he can, the Grayson haters were nowhere to be seen when we hit a bit of form earlier in the season and shot up the table after the iffy start, now that were in a bit of a pickle lets jump on the managers back instead of supporting him and the team, you lot really need your heads shaking

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21 Jan 2012 16:22:48
I would honestly sell clayton and mccormack along with many more who dont deserve to wear the shirt we need players that appreciate playing for us and what it means to the fans to give your all for club

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Do you watch the games? Clayton is the most complete player we have. Can't believe the stuff I'm reading here.

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21 Jan 2012 16:22:24
We need to buy players with confidence what do we do sign delph on loan he's lacking confidence aswell

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SG should give players confidence and not wait to be playing against 10 men, jeez how many 1st half goals have leeds conceded simple simple stuff.

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21 Jan 2012 16:19:53
if we lose today sg will be sacked beleive it we cant take anymore and nore will kb

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21 Jan 2012 16:19:16
Mot without bates

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21 Jan 2012 16:18:54
Taxi for grayson this is turning into one big joke

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Ssshhh!

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21 Jan 2012 16:17:56
Bates out?

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21 Jan 2012 16:04:25
bye bye simon i do feel sorry for you but leeds are bigger than you and its not good lets face it like one of the other posts i think you dont have the dressing room because the players you have got in are pretty good so something is wrong lets face it ipswich are s**t so what are we

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3-1 winners

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Whos disagreeing with 3-1, stevie wonder?

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Agreed we won but did we play well,the answer is no was we out played in the 1st half yes. Can you disagree with that, no why was the players booed from the pitch, yes. Did we come out and play better 2nd half, no. Did we get a huge slice of luck yes, so I would say leeds was very very forunate today which makes me very very happy. However I do believe if we had lost then simon would have been sacked. He still might!

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21 Jan 2012 16:02:20
Eddie Gray let slip the Leeds players are not playing for Grayson and their body language suggests unrest within the camp

So what do we do?

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He will be gone by Monday AM, no doubt anymore. Sad, would have loved to have got to prem under his guidance.

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21 Jan 2012 15:55:38
Grayson has said publicly to Sky Sports reporters BEFORE seeing Delph play competitively for us again that he wants to persuade Aston Villa to let us have Delph for the rest of the season!! That would be good for us of course but isn't SG breaching his own rules about doing business prematurely and publicly? He hasn't even seen the lad play for us yet and it smacks of desperation. SG lost the plot in my opinion. We 1-0 down at half-time. Time to go SG.

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21 Jan 2012 15:52:56
Its only just coming up to half time but.... I know that SG has been working with his hands tied behind his back. I know that there are systemic issues relating to lack of ambition and investment from the board. I know that he is a Leeds fan, determined to do well for the club etc. I know he is having players sold from underneath him. Even if we come from behind and win today (currently 1-0 down) I now think it is time for SG to go. Until today I have been unconditional in my support for him. But after another poor start and another uphill struggle I now think he must go for the following reasons.

1. Continual slow start in games, having to come from behind in games. Never control the game or impose ourselves on opposition.
2. Failure to sort out the defence, even though it has been clear to all that this has needed remedying for at least a year.
3. Failure to get the best from players at his disposal. Growing suspicion that he has lost the dressing room and all is not well.
4. Continued poor signings that have not made an impact-both loan and permanent.
5. Tactical indecisiveness and inconsistency.

Sadly, from supporting him to remain I know think its time. Lets face it, if we continue like this we will not get play-offs. Actual promotion is a fantasy. We have made no progress from last season. Lets face it, the second half of last season was a disappointment also. Sad times. KB wont go, so we need a new manager who can produce under his ownership.

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If you're a fan why weren't you at the game? We were 1-0 down to a freak goal against the run of play in near-impossible playing conditions. Townsend had missed a sitter and McCormack a decent chance - could just as easily gone in 2-0 up at the break.

The lack of support from our own fans didn't help much.

And, by the way, we won 3-1.

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Against the run of play? was you there? I was Leeds was dire and was really lucky for GK to make rash decision and end up sent off jeez blind or daft or both!

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Yes I was there - and in the grand scheme of things I thought both teams were very poor. There wasn't really much to choose between the teams before they scored but we should have been 1 up from the sitter that Towsend missed and McCormack had a good chance to break free and score before their goal if his first touch had been better.

Ipswich were much better than us AFTER they scored but until they did I thought we just about looked the more likely to score.

Anyway - all teams win matches they shouldn't and vice versa - we've dropped a good few points when we've been the better team (West Ham, Ipswich away, Brighton, Boro, Coventry, Palace) so you've got to put it in perspective. We're playing pretty badly yet we're still in with a shout of the play offs so it isn't all doom and gloom. We have some dross but we also have some very good players and I think we're only 2-3 players short of a really good Championship team. A RB and CB would make a massive difference. A defensive CM would be useful, although I think Pugh could fit there, and a different option up front would make us a bit less predictable. Not sure we can get the right players without spending a bit of cash though. {Ed013's Note - Well said}

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21 Jan 2012 15:49:37
I personally think if Leeds don't win to and fail to win against Birmingham then SG will be sacked. Current form has been shocking. Only two wins in the last 7 league games. Not good enough tbh.

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7 points from 9 - I'll take that.

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21 Jan 2012 15:47:09
Ipswich 1 nil up. 45 minutes to save SG job again. Only a win will do. He must be gone surely if we don't win today!!!

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Doubt it

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21 Jan 2012 15:46:29
Graysons managerial career at Leeds has 45 mins to go.unless something drastic happens in his favour 2nd half.

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Long live the miracle.

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21 Jan 2012 15:39:11
Ive said it before and i will say it again until the message is clear to everyone

GRAYSON OUT

Its not Bates fault - trust me

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Why? are you the Oracle? what does your crystal ball forsee ?

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Why would we trust you. Grayson's record in management is a lot better than Bates's record running clubs. I don't like swearing on here so I won't say what I think of the 'fan' who posted this - it wouldn't make for nice reading...

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21 Jan 2012 15:38:26
guessing Lonergans mistake was Graysons fault?

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Everythings Graysons fault, hes the manager you muppet - you live by your team, your selections and your tactical prowess..! unfortunately Grayson is inept

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What so Grayson was beaten at his near post? hes not inept at all

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21 Jan 2012 15:37:49
Here we go again 1-0 down.
I want Grayson out.....

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What was the final score again? Maybe you should become a real fan and get down the games instead of whining on here...

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21 Jan 2012 14:37:51
Is there a live stream of the game today?

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21 Jan 2012 14:29:55
the press conference, Larry. Simon Grayson Talks about Howson and Delph

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QONXJVKSB30&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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21 Jan 2012 13:25:35
Back in 1984, the rivalry between Leeds United and Chelsea was still a volatile one. A certain Ken Bates was in charge of the Londoners and had just erected a shiny new scoreboard for their pleasure. With a dismal Leeds United being destroyed 5-0 by the hated Chelsea, Leeds fans took their anger out on Ken Bates’ prized centrepiece, totally destroying the scoreboard.

Never one to overreact, Ken Bates’ suggestion after the event was to kick Leeds United out of football.

When his appeal for the end of Leeds United failed, Kenneth had to wait more than twenty years to cease control of Leeds United. He then had them relegated to the third tier and made their fans witness some insufferable football at extortionate prices. Revenge is sweet I guess…

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I dont think Bates would hold a 20 year grudge over a scoreboard

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I don't think he actually wants to destroy the club - he wants to make money - but judging by his programme notes he does seem the type to hold a trivial grudge for a very long time...

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21 Jan 2012 14:52:54
looks a championship winning side to me for todays game another 1 or 2 additions and who knows what can happen good look today lads

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Please please grayson leave we are awful

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Not so good in the 1st half :(

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Certainly not playing like a Championship winning team. See you later SG.

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Oh my god really? at the start of the season grayson said to 'lower expectations', so even he expected us to be average this season with funds given

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21 Jan 2012 11:33:02
Lets gust get things into the commonsense bracket, SG has always done what is best for the club, the young crop of players are good enough to get us promoted thats why the clubs with money keep hovering around them. Ken Bates as said that we have money to spend, now this to me is sensible, he and SG need big money when we get promoted, it is no good getting promoted then having nothing to spend and we just simply drop back down, all of us will be seriously annoyed about that, so come everybody lets stick together, this week as been tough, but just look at SG comments this morning on the website, everything is there, we will get promoted this year or if not next year, all our players apart from White are contracted for 18 months, now that to me is good management, no championship club is in that position. To end i think Howson is two faced firstly he says that he only wants premiership football, so if he is loyal to Leeds like he says he is then why go now, i tell you he and his agent have gone for the money it is as simple as that, Secondly i applaued KB and SG for doing the best deal for the club, 2 million is good business for a player who as only scored 1 goal this year is injured and his contract has only 3 months playing time, now that is putting the club first in my eye. Come on lets get behind Leeds.

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Good message to all Leeds fans is this, just think about the quality we have in the club, Snoddy, Delph, Townsend, Becs, Sommer, Mc cormack, now that is as good as anything in this league.

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Does anyone think lorimers article in YEP and larrys little bit on the OS today are remarkably similar, bates' puppets!

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I think if leeds get promoted bates will sell up straight away .so as far as hes concerned it doesnt matter how long it takes for us to get promoted aslong as he doesn't have to use his own money and only use the profits of the club . will make money for going up then tv rights will be more money and he will not care if leeds go down as its worth alot of money to him in parachute payments then he can leave us in championship after collecting parachute payments and he will be leaving with a total profit

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In reply to this, 2 of the players don't belong to this club so this waters down what you have said about the players.

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21 Jan 2012 11:16:14
It's amazing how many people on this site claim to have a 'top source' or 'hush hush sources' and then go on to write total garbage.
I bet their 'sources' are Auntie Brenda who cleans the training ground toilets once a week, or some drunken old bloke in the pub who once met Lorimer buying his paper down the shops.
I, for one, am a season ticket holder from Wolverhampton who has absolutely no sources whatsoever. Although I'm not entirely happy with what's gone on over the last week, I have a bit of faith in how the club is being run. After the debacle of the Ridsdale era and what folloowed, it will take time to re-build the club. It won't happen overnight, but when it does, we will be in a good position, rather than going for a quick fix and spending money which we don't have.
Anyway, I can't make the match today because of family commitments, but I urge all TRUE fans to get behind Grayson and the team.....they need our support now more than ever. And please give a warm welcome to both Delph and McCarthy.
Marching on TOGETHER!

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21 Jan 2012 11:15:26
Not a rumour as such but surely the sale of Howson means we will come in for Clingan and pay a fraction of his worth. More of a holding, defensive midfielder than Johnny. Giving the likes of Clayton & Delph the freedom to be attack minded. He might not be the greatest midfielder available but he's our kind of price range and it's no secret that Grayson is a fan. The price and timing would be right. Cost, obviously no problem seen as his contract is running out and wage not a problem either seen as you can be almost certain he'll be offered the captains armband seen as he has the experience.
Team will prob look like:
--------------------Lonners--------------------
New/Thompson----Lees----O'dea------White/Pugh
--------------------Clingan(c)-------------------
Snodgrass-----Delph------Clayton--------Townsend
-------------------McCormack--------------------

Would prefer Thompson to get his chance at right back but suspect we'll get more experience for the push like Lichaj. Looks pretty strong side to me especially with people like Somma to come back & people like Rogers and Pattison to come in.
Taken into context things might not be as bleak as they first seem.

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---------------lonergan------------
thompson----lees----odea----white
----------------pugh--------------
snodgrass--delph--clayton--townsend
---------------McCormack-----------

Bench - Taylor, Bruce, Nunez (Rogers), Becchio, Forssell

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Team very similar today but white on the bench and forsell up front come on mot

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21 Jan 2012 11:08:26
Could someone please tell me why Howson is being praised for leaving us to go to Norwich - what would you be saying if he went to Man U?

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Well he didn't, so what's your point?

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Wouldnt care he is overated for once i think good business by leeds.people have easily forgotten the slagging on here he got until the forest game.

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My point is would you be slagging him off as most do on hear when Alan Smith is mentioned, Smith didnt want to leave, Howson did !

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As i recall smith kissed the badge and said he would not play for them over the penines then signed for them also he was an international at the time something howson will not be unless hes an irish grandparent.

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21 Jan 2012 11:02:44
Bates has stated that we have a 9.5 million players budget, which just happens to be 2 million over spent ! what a coincidence
No new players, no improvements, no promotion

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Bates full of crap .maybe we have spent the amount hes saying but has he knocked off the amount of income from the sales of players ,no way have we over spent . wake up u old c**t and give your head a shake

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Can anyone tell me were the 11.722 mil spent on player budget has been spent while grayson has been manager

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21 Jan 2012 10:40:41
I think it's time now for Grayson to put up or shut up as quoted on homesite about the transfer money from howson going on new players. Time to play the game Simon and stop messing the fans esp the season ticket holders about.

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Just don't know how you can disagree as it's quoted by grayson himself on home page, unless you are grayson or bates.

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I wouldnt say its SG messing the fans about as he is one himself

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21 Jan 2012 10:02:05
Grayson saying in YEP that the 2million raised from the sale of Howson will enable us to get 3 or 4 new signings!? Obviously looking at buying quality then!

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Sick to back teeth of lies going out of Elland Road
What about sale from Gradel,gates reciepts etc etc
So can not see money from the sale going on new players,just loans and freebies
Bates is bleeding LEEDS dry
He is a conman

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Gate receipts! are the wages and running costs free!!!!!

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21 Jan 2012 09:44:24
He was a u21 international like 10 years ago. He's s**te why would we sign someone from a non-league side who can't even score? {Ed013's Note - Who}

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Think he means conlon

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21 Jan 2012 09:17:04
If Bates should show that he has a remote in that club and spend some of massive amount that we have brought in that unspent. No one would mind him building the hotel and everything else if he still put money in to the team.

We should sign
O'Dea perm
Lichaj loan
McGugan,
Sharp,
Matt tubbs
Gradel back on loan after a c of n
adam barton from preston, good young cm
St ledger
And a good young cb and lb from league 1
We could get most of them for just the delph money, most of these are to cover the possible out goings

Actually gutted Howson is going, he had been a brilliant server of this club and would not be surprised if this caused an exodus snoddy, clayton, Lees and white going.

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Bates doesn't like to spend money on players
so he isn't going to spend 4 mil + on sharp {Ed013's Note - Sharp has a release clause rumoured to be around 2 million}

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Hello there Mr.Sharp!
Targets for January should be:
Sharp - £2million (wouldn't have to relocate)
Lichaj - £1million (or a loan)
Elliot - £750k (Bristol City)

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21 Jan 2012 09:08:04
Snodgrass to follow Howson and Johnson to Norwich a friend of mine works at Norwich training ground

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Nothing will surprise me,we are a selling club,with no ambition
We need a total clear out at board level and management
We are the titanic,sinking fast

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21 Jan 2012 08:59:04
Grayson has come out and said he believes we can still get promoted and that he looks to not sell anymore players if they bid a fortune. He also stated that he hasnt heard amnything from reberto martinez and Owen coyle making bids for clayton and McCormack! Source Leeds united official website.

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21 Jan 2012 08:50:50
I agree with Lorimers sentiments in the evening post on the sale of Howson. Its gutting to seem a local lad and influential captain leave the club, but Leeds have had to learn the hard way with Jermaine beckford leaving us high and dry. We turned down £2m for him hoping if we got promoted he would sign for us, he moved on to premiership, got us promoted tho so hes a legend and moved on with the best wishes.I think we kept Beckford because at the time, he was irreplacable in league one.
Jonny howson aint irreplacable, and turning down £2m would be irresponsible.
Leeds, with the additions of Delph, Townsend and Rogers look like the best midfield in the league! We are desperate for a right back tho, and a central defender.

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Well said, i hope we get andrews thn it would be the best! also a striker and the two you say MOT

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Cant play both rogers and townsend as they are both left mid players unless snoddy is moved to behind striker

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21 Jan 2012 08:31:35
Leicester have £500,000 bid rejected for Notts Forest cb Wes Morgan. Leeds to test Forest with £300,000 plus out of favour A o'brein. Watch this space.

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HOPE SO THAT WOULD BE A GREAT DEAL FOR US

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Wes morgan is rubbish. he's like a third rate sol campbell.

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O'briens like a 4th rate Campbell so would be an improvement

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21 Jan 2012 06:36:11
I've always been a big fan of Howson's but his lack of impact was frustrating. Lambert has done an amazing job at Norwich. It'll be interesting to see how he uses Howson. If Jonny fulfils the potential we all hoped for it'll make Grayson look inept.

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Would like to see grayson leave but this post is utter cobblers!

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21 Jan 2012 04:08:53
i fully support k.b.i believe we still have a lot of debt that stalls our progress temporarily.k.b.is a better business man than i am and for that reason i believe that next season with s.g. still incharge we will be completely unteathered and win this league easily.hope he doesnt prove me wrong.also how many here have booed our midfield this season?j.h.had to go it was good business

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Go and try and sort the mess which is Leeds out and stop posting on here Ken !!

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21 Jan 2012 01:26:44
Are norwich fans ashamed they have a small pathetic fan base they ain't even got a forum site on here they think there a bigger club than Leeds cos there board give the manager money give it another 5 Years Leeds will be back in the big time and sad little Norwich will be floating around league 1 again let's see what the Bradley johnsons and johnny how sons will be doing probably begging to come back to the mighty whites THE GRASS AIN'T ALWAYS GREENER {Ed001's Note - there is a Norwich site.}

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If u go on links to other sites it doesn't show 1 is cos they only have 10 fans including LET'S BE HAVING YOU delia smith

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I don't know why your angry with Norwich. You sound jealous and bitter to me. To be honest, seeing them hold their own in that league gives me huge hope for when we get there.
Good luck Johnny & Norwich....
BUT our time WILL come again.
MOT

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Awkward

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Best of it is originally delia smith WAS a leeds fan

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21 Jan 2012 00:01:33
i think we will have adecent win
tomoz predict 3-0 snod, mccor and
delph to score. I think we should
all stop this bull about bates and
grayson out now and get behind our
mighty whites, dont forget we may
be one of the first teams to have our
dip early this year but the likes of the top
6 have not had there dips yet and
they will come and we will be back up there again
come early march we are only 3 wins and a draw from automatic were not coventry and heading for league 1 ... leeds till i die
burrows2002

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Sense atlast

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Southampton have lost 3/4 in the last bunch of games and are still 11 pts clear of us so good post.......not

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And its dic@s like u mate that spoil it for everyone being so negitive if the fans dont support no wounder the like of howson dont wanna stay... get behind your team get behind yiur manager of pi*S off onto shef weds rumour site

burrows2002

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Told ya
burrows2002

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20 Jan 2012 23:53:21
----------lonergan-----------
Lichaj--lees--O'dea--white
----------delph-------------
------clayton-pattison------
Snody--------------- Townsend
-----------Maca------------


LRS

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Delph isnt s holding player and pattison is a winger

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I think it will be more

Snodgrass.Clayton.Delph.Pugh.Townsend
---------------McCormack

Leeds wont spent 500k(our biggest deal in 5 years) for him to just sit on the bench

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2 of whom are not Leeds players and 4 of whom, if the rumours on here have any basis in truth, are likely not to be Leeds players by the end of the month...If you're going to post a dream team surely you can do better than that...

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