Leeds Banter Archive February 22 2016

 

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22 Feb 2016 19:23:11
I know the Leeds coaches know more than us about whether players are ready or not but I see Eoghan Stokes scored another two for the u21s. He is 19. It's not like he's 12.
He can't do much worse could he? Is there anyone on here that watches the U21s regularly? Is he ready?

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22 Feb 2016 20:12:31
Hard to say, better option than lafferty or richardson in my opinion, it depends if midfield can play him in or not.

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22 Feb 2016 21:01:45
Lets be honest here! The under 21's are not taking the development league 2 by storm! that's with the help of a few so called fringe players! The gulf between the championship and the league, they are playing in week in week out, is great!

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22 Feb 2016 21:10:16
so where did alan smith come from and others.

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22 Feb 2016 21:12:01
Agree kjc but the monly way you find out if they can make that leap is play them, taylor prime example.

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22 Feb 2016 21:25:53
Bige he went out on loan and gained experience, playing in the football league! Leeds have done well to get Cook, Taylor and Mowatt in the first team! But all young lads coming through, don't make the grade! Its a dog eat dog world in professional football!

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22 Feb 2016 21:57:19
Frank Mulhern. that's what i've been told. Proper ole school striker. Then again was told great player but could score more. Sounds like Smithy. But as they say if you don't play em.

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22 Feb 2016 21:59:21
Surely the point is that we are virtually non existent in the final third so anything different would be much appreciated. If you don't try, you won't know and if he can't hack it, don't play him again!

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22 Feb 2016 22:44:14
i think we can be very proud of our youth system and in my life time we are second to none in this country and can only be rivialed by west ham, saints and man utd. however I do think we can expect a bit too much from our youth system,

i think the difference between taylor mowatt and cook and players like mulhern, stokes and the others is that the first three are in the first team and the others are not. There is a reason for this. no coach in the world would not play youth if they were good enough as they are free and get fans even more behind team (look at oleary useless manager saved by great youth) so if they are not being picked they should not be picked and are not good enough and never will be. I don't think there is any point playing them as the coaches must know they are not up to it, I don't think it is a case or suck it and see and more a case of you can tell they don't have what it takes.

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23 Feb 2016 06:55:13
Try someone diff
What's the worst can happen? They don't score!
Been there done that.

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23 Feb 2016 10:03:37
Fair point BW, while I agree with the points you have raised I may also think that SE is frightened to put younger players in the squad, especially as the shows very little or offer very little in the way of attacking football. If you see the highlights of our game on Saturday it was pointed out on at least one occasion we got the ball in a wide position and yet none of our forwards or midfield players were in the box (it has been like this for ages) . Like so many others on Saturday I would have rather we lost 3-4 nil and have a proper go at Watford, we didn't Evan go down with a whimper and for me that domes up Evans as a manager.

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23 Feb 2016 10:37:02
can see your point shag and do agree, I hope (not think but hope) this is down to evans being cautious and thinking if we get beat by 4 he might get sacked so he is playing safe until next season just to keep his job. if this contiunes next season he has to go I think no doubts about that. also there is of course a argument for playing safe against big boys away and nicking a goal (fa cup anything can happen and all that) however there has to be a point where you throw caution to the wind and we didn't do that at any point, the subs come to late and we never went for broke which was very dissapointing, although two watford fans felt sorry for me and did buy me two pints to help drown my sorrows afterwards. shame they use to hate me/ us not we get pity.

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23 Feb 2016 10:37:45
Great idea let's lose 3 or 4 nil every week having a go! Sure the many others of you would soon get sick of that!

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23 Feb 2016 12:38:00
Kjc sloth was playing for his national first team before he came to leeds. Are you seriously suggesting he should go play for kidderminster.

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23 Feb 2016 14:44:20
Never mentiond Sloth going to Kidderminster? I said Taylor gained experience in league football on loan!

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23 Feb 2016 16:28:15
Taylor got in the team because we sold warnock, nothing to do with being out on loan, he was thrown in as we had no one else, sometimes that's what you have to do, try them.

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23 Feb 2016 16:54:00
Taylor played a better standard of football by being put out on loan! that's why clubs loan their young players out! To gain experience! So when he got the call into the 1st team he was better equipped to deal with it! what's your problem Bige?

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23 Feb 2016 17:33:05
Because your intimating the way to the first team is by playing competative football somewhere else. My point was there are players who deserve a run in first team, loaning them out sharpens them up a bit and if you have a stroong first team then fine do it. But if you need someone in and they are allready in reserves surely it makes sense to give them a couple of games to see if they have what it takes. Sometimes they need to get used to pace of game. If they have class, like taylor, they will adapt.

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23 Feb 2016 18:17:47
Bige I respect your point of view!

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24 Feb 2016 00:04:17
Sorry mate just read them back and i'm a bit like a dog with a bone ther.

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22 Feb 2016 19:05:59
Hey guys,

Looking for a little advice from you all! I don't get to Elland road very often but am bringing a group of boys for the Bolton game! Which stand for the best atmosphere/ views? Appreciate your advice

MOT.

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22 Feb 2016 19:09:43
South stand for atmosphere, East for view.

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22 Feb 2016 19:36:13
South stand as segregation between Leeds fans yes Leeds fans to be honest they won't be much atmosphere wherever you go in the ground at the moment one thing you won't have a problem with is getting tickets, new low for the season Tuesday night I think 16 - 17,000.

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22 Feb 2016 22:00:20
Sad but true mate.

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23 Feb 2016 09:34:59
Thanks lads. Appreciated.

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22 Feb 2016 18:45:54
Well let's hope we can find one or two Leeds players who want to kiss the badge tomorrow, because we know who will be doing his damndest to kiss his at the other end.

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22 Feb 2016 22:03:07
I just clicked Agree Speedy mate.
But I wish we still had the lad in our team. A bit of invention let alone goalscoring wouldn't go amiss!

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23 Feb 2016 00:31:03
Who could disagree with that Cork. His partnership with Smith may yield more goals than this season's total.

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23 Feb 2016 10:38:37
agree old ross was quality and did play out of his skin for us, but also pleased to see smith get a mention. I think he was massively under rated as he was seen as just a big lump. bit like poor old morrison who had pace great touch deadly finisher but was just labled a big guy.

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22 Feb 2016 18:31:40
I wish we could get an in form Alex Mowatt back. I've just watched (Alex Mowatt goals) on that there you tube.
Where the hell has that talent gone?
If he could get back to that kind of form and the other current first team youngsters play well for the rest of the season and maybe one or two more come in and do well, then we could possibly look forward to next season!
If Cellino won't pay big fees and wages then I think our only hope is our own young players.

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22 Feb 2016 18:47:31
But how long will the better young ones stay Danum if we don't look as though we are realistic promotion hopefuls.

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22 Feb 2016 19:07:11
True Speedy. I've been a Leeds fan since the Revie years, but if I were Cook, Mowatt or Taylor and a Premier League club came in for me offering quadruple wages and the opportunity to play against world class players on a regular basis, I'd be off like a shot! (I'd still be a Leeds fan though! ) 😇.

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22 Feb 2016 20:26:09
It is clear that Evans does not trust Mowatt or indeed Cook in central midfield. He prefers the solid, less adventurous type. We will lose those youngsters if SE stays as he will persuade MC to go for experience over youth. MC will see £ signs and we will have yet more years of mid season mediocrity to endure.

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22 Feb 2016 20:52:13
Ditto Danum. Thankfully we had some good times and of course it's LUFC for life through good and bad. But I'm fed up with the bad now and time is running out for some more good to arrive.

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22 Feb 2016 17:45:08
So another season is effectively over and I hate to say it but Steve Evans is starting to get on my nerves. Stop spouting the same old rubbish and give us something to cheer about. Tell us you're going to give the likes of coyle, erwin, sloth etc a 6 match stint to show what they can do because what we are seeing is dross to say the least. Tell Diagara, Bridcutt and Mowatt your the main men and let the fringe players loose to give it a go. Is it me or has Dallas lost his MoJo? As for strikers well the season is a write off so give Erwin and the young guy we got from Northern Ireland a go - they can't do any worse than Antenucci and co who don't seem to give a damn about our great club. Wootton needs to be given some time out as its not fair just slagging him off all the time when its Evans calling the shots!

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22 Feb 2016 18:06:48
I am not surprised Dallas has lost his mojo, as he is always being substituted. If he is playing that badly to be substituted the question has to be asked why is he always in the starting 11.

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22 Feb 2016 13:37:34
Whilst I support Steve Evans and would like him to be given another season, I don't agree with him stating that players are playing for their contracts and need to up their game. If he doesn't know by now which players can perform consistently then he loses my vote. I don't believe that between now and the end of the season players should be kept on if they up their game. If they can't do it all season then their not worth their contract. We need yet another big clear out and if Cellino doesn't stick with a manager to have their own ideas and players then we will always be mid-table/ relegation fodder overloaded with journeymen and players not fit to grace the white shirt. The only reason he may have come out with this statement is maybe to get us consolidated in this league and not be dragged into the relegation zone.
Each year goes by I say 'next season'. I feel like Derek trotter 'this time next year Rodney, we will be millionnaires'. Only Leeds can have the mis-fortune of having a rich owner who proclaims poverty and never supports the team financially so they are able to compete. Ah well 'this time next year'. I keep saying this and one day hopefully in my lifetime it will happen. MOT.

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22 Feb 2016 13:59:21
Got to say evans is worrying me a bit. Says botaka needs to up his levels and show it every game for devolpment team to get a place. Sorry but Sloth has been doing this for six months and not had a look in, scores, creates breaks up play, just what we need. Think he is being a bit blinkered to be honest. Cannot blame players all the time. Tactics against watford meant we were never going to win that game. He needs to start giving coyle, botaka, phillips, sloth some playing time. Present lot are not special.

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22 Feb 2016 14:17:28
You keep championing Sloth Bige in your posts! But Redfern, Rosler didn't rate him to include him in the first team and now Evans dosen't rate him! You might have to face the fact, that he's not good enough?

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22 Feb 2016 16:14:39
Liverlass and BIGE, there ain't nothing wrong with Big Steve. His statement players are playing for their club futures is smart now all we have to play for is pride and possibly the avoidance of a relegation dogfight. This is not his team which is only marginally superior to Rotherham. We need serious investment. We need to implement the following todo list:

1. Buy out GFH
2. Parkin on board
3. Buy back ground
4. Buy 2 central defenders of average premiership quality
5. Buy 3 strikers of minimum top end championship class
6. Win back supporters, have a promotion plan

Also buy Birdcage and Carol singer.

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22 Feb 2016 16:31:24
Great post Liverlass, I agree with you. Does Evans really think that by slating players publicly they will perform for him, Evans is able to criticise his players but not publicly that should be kept in house. I am afraid after Saturday's game I believe Evans isn't the man to take us forward. We lost to Watford with no ambition and after they scored Evans showed no ambition to go and try to win the game. Let's stick with Evans until the end of the season and get a manager in who can decide which players he wants to keep from the current squad and & let him get in players he wants ( only players we can afford both in transfer fees and wages) and stick with him at least for one season. I am afraid if we don't get a result tomorrow night Evans maybe leaving a little earlier than I have suggested. If we don't win tomorrow Evans will have the same record as Rosler and Evans has publicly stated that football is a results driven game and Rosler was not delivering results.

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22 Feb 2016 16:43:04
Like the del boy analogy LL, MC looks a bit like del boy in a way. Same can't be said for SE in any comparison to Rodney for obvious reasons.

Quick point about Botaka, don't know why this chap doesn't get more of a look in. When I've seen him come on he has tricks . pace worries defenders. Yeah ok lacks an 'end product' but he's not the only one (Not unlike our strikers) end product is some thing that could develop if given some game time.

Point made about sloth who, by all accounts has put in good performances in the u21's. Fat lot of good 'upping his performances' has done him. He's no nearer the 1st team than when he was playing poorly. Hardly an incentive for JB now is it?

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22 Feb 2016 18:19:36
I think Cellino needs to find a very, very valuable watch in his lock up!
Lovely jubbly, you know it makes sense! 😁.

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22 Feb 2016 18:28:16
Think what SE is trying to do is get more effort out of the players. He's not the first manager to say such comments. Teams with a plan use every window to improve the squad. Everyone can see were lacking in quality. We let in too many soft goals, don't create and don't score enough goals. Yet we stumbled through the last window. Didn't improve over the summer and didn't use last season's January window. Every year the same posts come through, we're not going up, so no need to strengthen. Let's wait until summer. Can some journalist please ask our owner what his long term plans are for the football club and if he has one. How many transfer windows do we been through where Cellino has underfunded his coach. Is it 4 or 5 now?

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22 Feb 2016 18:51:28
Feel really sorry for Sloth. I don't know if he's really good enough or not. But he won't be the first player we let go without giving them a proper chance.

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22 Feb 2016 19:34:20
Agree speedy the players currently being picked are not performing so maybe it is time to give players on the fringe of the squad ago and give younger players a chance. The only reason we are not involved in a relation battle is there are a number of dire teams in our league. Teams in the relagation places are some of the worst teams I have seen in a long time.

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22 Feb 2016 12:00:35
so why aren't we getting players simple we have tight wage bill . and what club is saying it will upset other players having people here on a lot more money . so if that is the case we'll be going nowhere fast . hence laffery not coming and others .

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22 Feb 2016 14:01:31
i do think our wage cap needs to be increased slightly but I do agree with it in principle. look at teams like bourmouth and liectiser they both have small wage bills and it does seem to improve harmony and team spirt (unlike at liverpool, chelsea and both manchester clubs which are under performing) .

A lot of people have mentioned lafferty, I don't think we wanted him and we have to ask this, would he improve our sqaud enough to warrent breaking our wage structure?

I do agree we need to increase it and some players are well worth breaking it for however I do not feel lafferty is one of the players worth breaking club structure for as he is not an imporvement on what we have.

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22 Feb 2016 00:31:40
I like following the arguments and banter on this site, very entertaining! (unlike the football) .
I agree that some quality additions are needed in the summer. My personal opinion is that we, as fans, are too quick to massacre the strikers. Yes, I know they aren't scoring but I put the blame squarely on the fact that we have no playmakers good enough to create multiple chances for the strikers at this level.
We need imo a goalkeeper, two good quality CBs, two creative midfield players to compliment Diagouraga and Bridcutt, a good N0 10 to link play between midfield and attack and a fox in the box striker'
I agree that GFH need to be ousted, they are leeches. I also hope Parkin buys or invests in the club as I think it is our only hope.
I'm far from convinced that we are safe from relegation hopefully the next few games will settle the nerves.
MOT everybody.

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22 Feb 2016 07:25:12
I don't agree about strikers. They miss a lot. That's why they don't score. And their positioning is awful. We haven't got a good striker.

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22 Feb 2016 08:21:35
Speedo4eva - not sure I entirely agree especially as you suggest we need 7 new players but not the strikers?

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22 Feb 2016 09:06:43
I agree with Ausman about the strikers for example against Watford it was clearly highlighted that on at least a couple of occasions and there wasn't, t many during the match when players down the right got into a super position to fire a cross into the box they looked up to find the box void of leeds players now decent strikers the likes of mccormack Beckford etc would have bust a gut to be in the box to give the crosses something to aim at, seems like nobody wants to score so new strikers or improved coaching YES PLEASE.

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22 Feb 2016 11:58:37
I think speedo4 & ausman are both right, Striker positioning, shots on target (lack of shots really) , lack of goals, it's not good enough. The link up play counter attacking lacks the quality player we don't have.

If SE sets us up not to concede then we don't lose (then he won't get sacked?) . We are predictable in how we approach games, don't concede, attackers, midfield and wide men don't get too forward too often as we get caught on the counter. SE has made a difference but I see through his comments and the excuses when we lose or don't win games when we should.

Let's just hope we stay in this league and hopefully SE will set us up more attack minded when we have the points in the bag and give some fringe and youth a chance.

Leeds always

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22 Feb 2016 14:06:03
i think any good manager sets up his stall this way. big sam, pulis and george graham all come in and tighten up at the back and make team hard to beat. this is always at the expense of the fans, as I have mentioned before does anyone remember our first season under Graham it was beyound dire and poor and makes our current team like like baracelona.

I think this is all SE has done I now expect he will bring in his own players in closed season and improve our attacking game so we are better team next season, with tight at the back and improvement going forward we could well be a play off team next year.

I often call for MC to sack manager and i'm normally the first on here to call for a managers head (which often results in me getting slated) however this time I really hope mc sticks with his man and I think SE has a good eye for player and will turn us into promotion chasers sooner rather than later.

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