Leeds Banter Archive November 22 2020
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22 Nov 2020 22:29:30
Thought we outplayed them first half and then sending off made it tough for us to break down 9 behind ball.
Unlucky with hitting woodwork 3 times but need to work on hitting the target, must have had 5-7 shots over bar when in decent areas.
Happy that (I felt) we were better team against 11, bodes well.
Raphi was very good first half and also great to see Rodrigo play, think needed him around 55 mins, not 75?
We look more solid with KP and was nervous when he started hobbling, feel we need to buy a DMF to cover for him and still feel need that flair/ creative MF to open up defenses. Let's hope Pablo and bielsa have made up.
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23 Nov 2020 04:51:17
Not sure Melbourne, would love to see an new DM and CAM (and natural LB) but we won't go down this year, Struick looks like Philips' understudy (Yes he is raw but so did Philips at 22) and Bielsa already talked about Raphinha playing CAM in the future, so more likely he gets run out there (or Harrison who it feels like could do a job there too) . If we sign anyone in Jan it will be more youngsters or a new backup keeper if we move Casilla on imo.
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23 Nov 2020 10:59:33
I agree I really like stuijk and shacks and got great faith in both
Bogatuz and mccalmot also got good promise.
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22 Nov 2020 21:52:48
I think we all know we should have won that game tonight but I’d rather be a Leeds fan right now than an Arsenal, they are half the team they used to be. A shadow of the beautiful free flowing football they once played. Can only see our team improving with time, very excited about Raphina and Rodrigo, remember, this is only the first page of our new Premiership story.
On Bielsa i can’t understand why certain folk think that he is a one trick pony, he has already shown in previous games to change his tactics to try and alter the course of a game. A footballing tactician he is a boring one dimensional coach he is not.
Onwards and upwards you mighty whites.
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22 Nov 2020 23:02:37
Op I love your post and really respect your opinions so genuine question
When ever . ever has belisa change tactics or mixed things up
When ever has there been a plan b?
Yes he changes formation if they play one or two up front but this in itself is predictable.
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23 Nov 2020 00:32:58
Berm we have just two different distinct styles of attack that Bielsa will deploy depending on the situation in a match. You will have probably noticed that we didn’t use the flanks so much against Arsenal hence no Costa the attacks were more direct, central, trying to flood the box and confuse the Arsenal defense. Despite Arsenal defending well, which they did, we could have scored 3 goals. I don’t think Bielsa was wrong in his plan, only perhaps he should have introduced Rodrigo earlier.
Defensive issues are however are somewhat flawed in Bielsa’s teams, you can see that our defense tend to man Mark which makes it easier for opposition players to peel past our defenders into huge open spaces, like Wolves, Leicester and Palace exposed.
This is why Bielsa relies on a very high tempo game so as not to get into those situations, but.
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23 Nov 2020 04:59:24
Bielsa has two plans, Plan A then Plan B (do plan A better) . It's not about the plan really though, the mentality and fitness is where a team lives and/ or dies under him. Most players get a year, some 2 under his system, the guys around since the start are the fittest and most dynamic in the league if not world football. Will take us far.
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23 Nov 2020 07:26:09
Doesn’t a change of formation represent a change in tactics?
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23 Nov 2020 08:20:29
No need for plan b if we take our chances it's simple.
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23 Nov 2020 10:46:52
Berm I'm confused by your comment most players get a year, some two.
What is this about?
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23 Nov 2020 11:04:28
Not really Notts when everyone knows what the tactics will be
I see what your saying op but last night was poor against ten men we didn’t create much as for the lack of wing play maybe it was a plan but it didn’t work
We have been scoring for fun yet last night whatever the plan was didn’t quite come off for me not playing costa was huge mistake.
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23 Nov 2020 13:06:39
I would say if we hadn’t created any chances then it would have been the wrong tactic, I think we were simply very unlucky. I know that’s not going to be a popular opinion but I believe that was the case.
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23 Nov 2020 14:02:21
Guessing you mean my comment not berms Canada. Basically Bielsa has only stayed at most clubs 1 season, some he has lasted 2 seasons. At 2 and a bit we represent his longest club reign. That means our players (the ones he started the job with anyway) have had more benefit from his tactics and training than anyone else.
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23 Nov 2020 16:47:21
It’s been stated before, plan B is to execute Plan A better. no need for another plan.
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23 Nov 2020 19:09:03
Can't beleave moaning on this sit I mean let's face who would have thought we would be playing arsenal of the park get a grip.
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22 Nov 2020 21:36:04
The most worrying aspect was that we were up against a make-shift Arsenal team with players had been away on International duty (more so than ours) and still couldn't score. Both teams could have won it and I suspect it would have been Arsenal if they could have kept 11 on the pitch. They nearly won it with 10. I hope we can finish 17th or above but don't be deluded - top 10 we are not. Packed defences and counter attacking premiership teams will be beat us more times than not.
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23 Nov 2020 04:35:06
Be fair hess, they had a player sent off that cost more than we spent on our starting 11 and their best player is worth more than our squad. Dallas, Koch and Alioski all came back from internationals with Rodrigo, Cooper and Philips all recently back from injury. Yes we could (and probably should) have won but we bossed a top 10 team, their keeper made 2 fantastic saves in what should probably have been a loss on paper at the beginning of the season. 11 points after 9 games is ahead of where we need to be (we won't be 17th or lower) , especially when, until spurs, points look available in every game through december.
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22 Nov 2020 21:05:05
Stat of the day
Since Bielsa took over in 2018, leeds have kept 41 clean sheets in 101 games, more than any other team in top 4 tiers of english football over the same period
Who says Bielsa teams can't defend.
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22 Nov 2020 23:03:44
Me richem I say it
They keep ball well but can’t defend Not for toffee.
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23 Nov 2020 05:49:42
Richie Tiers is a dirty word
Berm Think the Toffees are up next.
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22 Nov 2020 20:02:56
Glad to see its a villa free zone today! Think today's game was an important one for us, to be far we should have won, but more importantly we showed we can compete with a top six side and another point towards safety.
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22 Nov 2020 20:27:30
Agreed Mezzer
I liked that wuth that line up we played and looked much more defensively solid for most of the game which is pleasing against a supposed top 6 team.
WE, (Leeds that is 😉 ) were unlucky not to have won.
9 times out of 10 we would have with that match play.
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22 Nov 2020 19:49:11
I think we should do reverse psychology this week no shooting practice and that way they will look forward to shooting at Everton get innnnnn played well everyone just that finish mot.
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22 Nov 2020 19:44:19
thought that was a bore fest,
lukcy arsenal can't finish, even with ten men they should of won it at the death but good save from our keeper as usual but still awful miss
games like today just confirm for me that beklisa is a great coach but poor manager. he can not change a game or come up with anything other than plan a
tonight was a game screaming for costa, he has been our most dangerous, classy player and one that can hurt and penetrate the oppositions especially with ten men. yet no where to be seen
then poverda good player but come on too late.
for all of belisas greatness he does frustrate and annoy me greatly
two points dropped not one gained sadly.
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22 Nov 2020 20:20:07
What would you have changed in second half then Bermo?
I mean who would you bring on and take off?
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{Ed047's Note - I would have taken Pepe off at half time and put someone on who could maybe play football! 🤣
22 Nov 2020 20:41:15
I thought you loved a nil nil Berm 😉 🥳
I like Costa and maybe he should have come on for Harrison but that doesn't make Bielsa a' poor manager'
Wishful thinking right now but I would like a fit Pablo also available . he remains one of our very best goalscoring players
with a little more luck and shooting accuracy Leeds would/ could have won this game easily by 3 or 4 goals . Arsenal lucky to get a point
Keep improving lads.
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22 Nov 2020 23:06:46
I do love a 0-0 but not against ten men
For me podvda and costa needed to come on earlier
I love Jamie shacks and I would of brought him on for Dallas as well
For me it is timing as well five ministers after they go down to ten men bring them three on to run them ragged and draw them out of position.
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23 Nov 2020 05:53:21
No politicians in the ground Berm, just humans.
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22 Nov 2020 19:31:18
Alioski did a job on Pepe. He gets under everyone's finger nails with the minimum of effort.
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23 Nov 2020 05:52:06
Must've been a good pep talk at halftime.
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22 Nov 2020 19:08:27
Very happy for a good point strong performance we dominated them with 11 and 10 players. Never easy with 10 when they shut up shop and just needed that break which didn’t come today.
Just need to remind ourselves this is our first season back here and Arsenal didn’t come to lie down but we outplayed them from start to finish.
Rafhina showed promise, good to have KP and Rodrigo back special mention for Alioski who was tigrish and ran until final whistle.
Thanks Messellier for late save and we’re a point behind Man City and had we had one we would have leapfrogged them one place.
Need a run of games with everyone fit and i’m sure results will follow.
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22 Nov 2020 19:35:16
Good comments class. Happy with the draw on this occasion.
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22 Nov 2020 20:09:57
Nicely put Class.
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22 Nov 2020 18:31:42
Would have taken a point before the game but very frustrating not to get 3 points. very unlucky with hitting the woodwork 3 times
Hope they spend all next week n training practising shooting on target.
KP back playing well and good to get a clean sheet of course.
I miss Pablo he is/ was the man to score crucial goals
Ralph and Rodrigo looked good and dangerous .
Keep improving. especially on shots on target!
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22 Nov 2020 18:39:28
Summed up well Baz.
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22 Nov 2020 18:49:16
No what your saying about a pt before game but a big missed opportunity for an extra 2pts feels almost like a loss but another pt away from bottom 3.
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22 Nov 2020 19:05:06
Agreed BV I won’t be crying into my pillow tonight, missed chance against a 10 man Arsenal, we played pretty well and I’ll take that point, could be the point that keeps us in the Premiership, not ashamed to say that.
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22 Nov 2020 19:31:00
Mis Pablo in them sort of games but played very well we are holding our own in prem.
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22 Nov 2020 18:30:48
I can't believe how bad we are in front of goal. Against 10 men and lots of chances we were lucky to come away with a draw. Meslier pulled us out of a bad spot. Entertaining game but ultimately frustrating I think in this division we will lose a lot of games whilst dominating Just hope three other clubs do worse, I will be happy with 17th position at the end of the season but even that will be tough if we can't score. It was the same last year but we managed to pinch a goal to win after looking like we could play for hours and not score. Whay was wrong with Ayling yoday. Looked out of sorts.
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22 Nov 2020 18:43:32
Bit much to say we were lucky based on one save when Leno did a save at least as good and we hit the woodwork 3 times but I understand exactly what you mean.
Reminiscent of lots of championship games where we dominated but couldn't unlock the defense.
Again I will put in my request for us to try and beat defenders occasionally rather than always try and pass through or around them. Need that unpredictability to create the holes in defenses.
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22 Nov 2020 18:46:15
I SAID LUKE AILING WAS A WASTE LAST YEAR AND STILL IS! DALLAS AT RIGHT BACK JA AT LEFT BACK AND RODRIGO TO START.
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22 Nov 2020 19:36:52
Ant agree with you about Ayling Hooksie- great player.
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22 Nov 2020 17:28:19
Similar to FA Cup game should be in front are we going to rue the missed chances?
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22 Nov 2020 17:36:55
I said it last year and i would say it again. Until we have some goals from midfield we would continue to play pretty football but MISS A HANDFULL OF GOALS!
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22 Nov 2020 17:21:48
It's Deja vu all over again. Dominated the first half without scoring from reasonable chances. Hope the deja vu bit doesn't carry on like the last time we played them!
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22 Nov 2020 16:07:52
I'm beyond nervous!
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22 Nov 2020 17:14:50
Should be 2 up.
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22 Nov 2020 14:56:30
I think with this thing they should put 3 ex players at each ground ie Ian Wright Alan shearer Gary nev and let them make decisions and earn there corn that would sort it instead of sat in studio confused like rest of us let them take the flack but I think they would do ok there's anough of them on telly getting money for nothing big MOT TODAY COME ONNNN.
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22 Nov 2020 12:37:18
Parker will go this weekend.
How bad are they. Wow.
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22 Nov 2020 13:28:57
But then.
How bad are Everton second half.
These are the best wand we need to bury.
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22 Nov 2020 10:32:32
I thought villa penalty at end was a penalty tbh.
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22 Nov 2020 07:39:34
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 22nd November 2020
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22 Nov 2020 03:56:47
It's vitally important we get points of the lower end. We have already dropped points against palace. I think the top 7 to 8 will resume normality soon. Any team outside the presumed top 8 or so we should be looking to get points.
There are some strange results but i still feel it won't make a diff to the top teams. They will emerge. It's just going to be close as to who wins it.
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22 Nov 2020 06:53:39
Vital we pick up at least a point today # points accumulation.
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22 Nov 2020 11:23:21
Defo, I'd take a nil nil, clean sheet would give our keeper a boost after two 4 s.
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22 Nov 2020 12:37:54
If MB starts Roberts today HE NEEDS TO BE FIRED!
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