Leeds Banter Archive September 23 2011

 

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23 Sep 2011 23:52:06
Another frustrating performance! Midfield lacks creativity (Howson was chasing shadows when Spaniard came on for Brighton) and Snodgrass was missing AGAIN!! Snodgrass is nowhere near the player he was a couple of years ago and seems to have forgot how to take players on. My opinion- sell him in January and get as much as we can to strengthen squad (if Bates will let us have the money). Central defenders were all at sea for both goals and
alternatives must be found, as fans we can see our central defenders are carp, TV pundits can see our central defenders are carp, even our legends agree with us. Why can't Larry see it? Sorry to have bit of a rant but we would have a serious chance at promotion if we sorted our defense out. On a separate note if we'd lost tonight I reckon Grayson would have been sacked. Comments welcome!

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Agree with this post in that had we lost SG could well be looking at the situations vacant column of the YEP come Monday. McCormack’s goal has probably given him a stay of execution. Performance tonight was excellent for 25 minutes - 2 - 0 up. Snodgrass, Howson and Pugh were doing great. After that the next time Snodgrass was mentioned was when he was being substituted on 86 mins! Second half we were overrun in midfield (Howson expected to do too much work) putting more pressure on our decidedly dodgy defence. At 3 - 2 down Larry was stood there like Stan Laurel scratching his head and wondering what to do next. OK some may say “inspired substitutions” – but with 80+ minutes on the clock! He should have known well before then Snodgrass was wandering round like a lost soul and Pugh not 100% fit. Also in that situation he should have been roaring at the team trying to motivate them ! You saw Poyet tonight barking out instructions all night long. Even at 2 – 0 down getting his players fired up. OK so they got a penalty that shouldn’t have been but when a team is dominating as they did in that period decisions have a tendency to go your way. I've always tried to be on Grayson’s side until now but I'm sorry to say I am becoming more disillusioned every time I watch them. The time has come for a change. We have a great set of players, one that should be up there challenging for automatic promotion let alone the play offs. Our defence can be good enough for the Championship given the right man in charge. Grayson has been at ER almost 3 years. Fair enough he took us out of Div 1, but only just, when we should have won that league by a country mile given the players we had. Last season as well we were 2nd at Xmas but fell away miserably. Now every time we play we can only hope we score more than we concede. We need a stronger manager, who can organise the team better. A man who knows his best starting XI. I’m not sure Simon does.
I love Leeds and it pains me to write this but I would like to live to see them back in the Premiership where they belong.
Comments please. MOT

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On a more positive note, the team is getting there, just lacks that little bit. I can see the nucleus of something better to come. Need to work on defense though, set pieces we are woeful.

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We have a phenomenal nucleus of players!

Lonergan, Clayton, Howson, McCormack & Becchio.

We've also got the likes of Aidy White & Tom Lees who are coming along very well, especially White. We aren't far off a title winning side at all. But obviously it would require money to get two good centre backs.

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Just need a manager now

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Like who? name me an unemployed realistic manager who would be a better choice than grayson? dont think you can, he has a good record at leeds, nobody knows what goes on behind the scenes except KB his board and SG, see what happens in Jan, we do what Blackpool do and operate a 'score more goals than you' mentality, works to some extent, id rather have lees at RB than connolly in all fairness, to say our defence is shocking were doing ok in the league, 20/1 to go up at start of the season, some of you lot expect too much, i want us to get back to the Prem, but we need to be patient and realistic here

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Two Words "Howard Wilkinson"

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23 Sep 2011 23:38:59
Leeds to tempt radebe out of retirement, and Ferdinand is the new woodgate, Bates has noticed this so Is gonna put a 1million bid in. Dream on, get behind your team bit***s! MOT.

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When will people wake up and smell the coffee? You can't get behind something that is totally f*cked. We sing, we shout and we even give up our brass each week yet it doesn't make one difference to the scoreline or the inept players. I have never seen such a cr*p leeds team in my life. Some people would stand for bricks been thrown at their head by Ken Bates, just as long as they weren't seen to be a so called "non proper fan". Get with the times we've done with insolvency and have a tidy sum put away -lets pend a bit. P.S. If were that inept that we need the above we may as well get back Rui Marques and Michael Dubberry

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23 Sep 2011 23:35:32
Tonight was the first game we didn't miss Gradel. Leeds were excellent as a team going forward, with drive, passion, energy. But then we had to defend and it all went Anusol. And Max wasn't great at defending was he?
The defensive Achilles heel will never be solved by SG and his team. 1 1/2 yrs has shown that. Ross is the man this season, as Max and Luciano were last season. But it will be the same result. Great highs, deep lows, and going nowhere....

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23 Sep 2011 23:17:06
Only me who thought howsonwas superb, won many tackles. sndgrass did better, looked interested. aidy white excellent. never a penalty, one angle showed no contact.first half we proved we can defend, showed guts. Simon out? get a grip, brilliant tactician and great game plan. Brighton are a good side, a good passing side and we showed we can handle it first half. roll on easy October!

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Snodgrass was only interested because he was in the shop window

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What game were you watching? Howson is lightweight and snodgrass has lost the ability to go past defenders.

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23 Sep 2011 23:13:48
I like it when people say all the moaners out again, i was never a moaner but **** me come on people its a mess an graysonrr is not sortin it and everyone can see it

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I have to admit that I am losing my temper with Grayson and his inability to build a good back four. He's had the time and I think the money but we are no better defensively this season than last.

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If there was any money it would have been spent? Since promotion we've spent around £1 mill on players.

McCormack £350k
Lonergan £200k
Clayton £100k
+ loan fees

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The 3 players weve actually bought have proven to be good purchases so you cant slag off grayson for that, theyve won us games and rescued points

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23 Sep 2011 23:13:35
Lol, just to change the tune a bit . . . Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I swear, random folk who have greivances against Leeds come on here stiring s***. If u had it ure way we'd let snoddy, howson and Grayson go, of course that's what u want u don't support Leeds! LMAO! (ed's that ain't a slur against your site, it's a slur against certain so called Leeds fans, MOT WGSYW)

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23 Sep 2011 22:58:37
Before the game I would have taken a point tonight at Brighton. However, being 2-0 up at half time we should be good enough to close the game out. We just cannot keep a clean sheet. There is great expectations on the players as Leeds Utd is a big club. Is this the problem. Some of the players cannot hack the pressure. In the post match interview Grayson did not look happy and seemed at a loss like everyone else about the defending. Why cannot he just get 1 or 2 experienced centre halves in on loan. This could be the difference between the play offs or also rans. Long suffering Leeds fan.

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Thought O'Dea and Aidy White did ok tonight..
Bromby however needs a shake

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Great post could not agree more

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To be fair the penalty was stupid from bromby, the other 2 from mackail-smith, in fairness were sheer quality, especially their 3rd and I think few defenders would have dealt with that. Bromby looked shaky but to be fair to him, he's hardly played for ages and certainly not with o'dea. I think half our problem is not having a consistent back 4 who all regularly play every match together, it seems to be a learning curve almost every game

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Your just saying what I posted before the season and most def after first 2games.I should have added my name to prove it.I said other things which have virtually all happened,from gradel going to not signing any of the quality names we were linked with.so unless we get 2 central defenders of prem quality on loan and also a midfielder with a killer pass then this site will be busy all season,some wins,plenty of losses.Wilson from Liverpool is a good shout.why not the kid who played for man u on tues.who cares where he's from.cheeky bid to loan jenas or spearing.give us some quality or giv us div 1

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23 Sep 2011 22:52:55
Were people watching the same game I was? Howson was great tonight put in some great challenges from their corners and set up the third goal!

Think some Leeds fans are just looking at someone to blame!

The only part of the team that needs addressing is CB! White and lees are good! Killa back for CB and may just turn things!

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Another person on the booze Hoson was lazy wow he did 3 good passes hes useless

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23 Sep 2011 22:51:01
c'mon Simon enough is enough a right back and centre back before next game pls

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23 Sep 2011 22:47:02
HT team talk. Gus- ok we look knackered, but give me 45 mins of playing the way I know you can and we can win this. Threaten Leeds' defence and they will panic and cave in. Their midfield is margerine. Just watch out for that McCormack guy... Doh!

Q: After 60 seconds of the second half - who couldn't see what was gonna happen? Same old, same old, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Thank F* for Ross...

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23 Sep 2011 22:25:05
Absolute **** and needs sortin out. Howson was **** again in the first half brighton had two free headers due to howson not tracking his man. Snodders wat the **** fella. Lees not ur best but u r a centre half. First half we dominated and wanted the ball and then second half we stood off and let them play football. Im sorry but grayson u av ad a enuff time to change it and u havent so you got to go fella

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Sorry mate but you must have watched a different game.defence s**** agreed, mot

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Howson was better than Clayton today IMO. From the point Ross put us two up until half time Snod put in a shift and looked really up for it but second half looked as disheartened as he has most of this season. Tom Lees lacks pace as RB but surely can't do worse at CB than Bromby did today. O'Dea had a good game and seems to be gaining in confidence

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23 Sep 2011 22:42:19
not a rumour, this is fact. Leigh brombyis awful

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23 Sep 2011 22:39:08
A point away from home against one of the better teams in the league is good considering the situation. I agree we do Need one or two defenders. But Why are people slating howson when he burst a gut to put it in for maccas goal in last minute. We have an easy october. Get behind the team leeds!

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23 Sep 2011 22:37:57
Mr Bates Get a taxi for grayson

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23 Sep 2011 22:37:35
Grayson out and take Snodgrass and Howson with you !!

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23 Sep 2011 22:35:40
Sg please sign quality Rb and a fast cb to partner kisnorbo mot

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23 Sep 2011 22:27:18
Id of taken point but maybe 1-1! leeds crumbled after letting in 1st goal. We need a captain, a strong commanding centre back. Not easy to get hold of an adams or keown tho. Bromby wont be starting again for leeds and if he does its obvious SG isnt doing his homework, hes sloppy and indecisive. Lees and white did ok, 50/50 with o'dea. But going back to bromby, he shouldnt of even started, surely kisnorbo should of. And aidy white is obviously a winger not a left back. MY TEAM....gk lonergan rb lees cb o'dea cb kisnorbo lb pugh....rm snoddy cm howson dm clayton lm white....cf becchio cf mccormack. Need a cb to replace o'dea or rb and put lees cb. Just my opinions. MOT

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Definately agree re Aidy but thought O'Dea was pretty good tonight. Paddy is not the player he was very few recover froM that injury but this is a level too high. We need quality RB, CB & LB IMO

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23 Sep 2011 22:26:01
steady on boys i thought we did well tonight but yes we do need 2 centre backs and quick but dont be so down beat

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Ive supported leeds for forty years and we always have had poor defence at times at 2`0 i knew we would end up throwing it away ! we need a top cb and batty type mf then prem here we come !

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23 Sep 2011 22:19:11
GRAYSON OUT!!.had far too long as it is, he will never sort it out,blind loyality has to stop,he must go NOW!

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Go support chelsea, stum. Grayson had the balls to admit our frailties in defence at full time, and basically said some players need to look at themselves and he's quite right two individual errors cost us tonight. EDs sorry but I oppose the boo boys who always look at the negatives, if we didn't have the attacking threat and semi ability of our midfield, we would have been touted as relegation fodder by tonights pundits. I'm keeping the faith and feeling Positive. MOT, lifelong Leeds. {Ed003's Note - I thought a draw away at Brighton was a good result personally}

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To the person who replied, wholey agree, good for you. MOT.

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Why should he go support a different team because he wants the manager sacked-I've never liked grayson and hate most first team as they're not good enough. i still love the team though

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23 Sep 2011 22:19:01
all the moaners out again!! the first half we were fantastic, they werent in the game! they are near the top and a very attacking side it was obvious what was going to happen but given the two cb are not playing as a unit all went pear shape again. not sure what the answer is but dont think is sg out but we have to sort out this role. the comment about howson i thought was wrong he was better than he as been, so was snodgrass first half. as an attacking team we are as good as any in the league but lets hope we can sort the cb role, he should get rid of 1 or 2 he as and bring one or two in. i also thought pugh and white played well together!

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Gj here there is NO point in being good for 45 mins , then playing carp, sorry i and many others stand by what we state GRAYSON OUT Gj

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Agree With most of the above but I'm sorry Howson is coming under pressure. OK he's our lad but He is captain, dd you see him pumping up the other lads early second half when we were looking on our feet? I didn't. SG time for a bit Of hard love, release brombs and get in a quality no b*******t cb, and put the wind up jonny. In Grayson we trust, MOT.

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How can some still support a manager who has had more then enough time to sort out the same problems,grayson is so stubborn or too arrogant to address this either way we can't keep supporting a manager lots of us don't believe in,time to move forward,this can only be done without grayson.He simply keeps making the same mistakes, we are shipping goals[again] like an bottom 3 side.go now and you might leave with some pride,stay and you will be rembered along the lines of blackwell.

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23 Sep 2011 22:17:36
Snodgrass and Howton have TO GO Absolute DISGRACE to the team. first half yes we were ok/good 2nd half where were we defending was atrocious Gj Grayson out!!

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You are an idiot, howson played well and Snoddy also did well tonight

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Howson had a really good game today but Bromby had a shocker

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23 Sep 2011 22:17:02
Same story as usuall, we need a back four and quick, anyone know of anything. Sol Campbell?

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23 Sep 2011 22:03:54
Leigh Bromby.........Oh dear oh dear, hang your head in shame..........Terrible, absolute shocking tonight

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Don't know who's disagreed......... The bloke gave away 2 goals and a penalty......

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23 Sep 2011 21:46:02
leeds have another rubbish result down to bad defending get grayson out

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Check the goals for and against columns,just about the highest scorers,and the most conceded,exactly what cost us last year,weve arguably the best attack and worst defence,dont think SG can sort it,need someone who can.

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The only crumb of comfort is ,its a good point away to a very good side.

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23 Sep 2011 21:43:21
The defence needs sorting out before its too late! We are climbing the table slowly but with a tighter defence we would have been much higher up th table now, and we need to stop conceeding penalties too!

SORT IT OUT GRAYSON!

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Too late? I think that bus left a long time ago. Were passed too late

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On past performance,SG will probably go and loan another striker,the sad thing is,get some quality defenders in and we would walk this league.

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23 Sep 2011 21:39:38
Joke,absolute joke. Let down by an inept defensive performance again. Howson as invisible as ever. More like a Sunday league midfielder that's making the numbers up, running around aimlessly in midfield. Lees played out of position, highlighted by the lightening pace of White showing what a player in that position should should do. Grayson looking lost, helpless as he watches the self destruct button pressed again. Wonder which speech he will use for the OS tomorrow to explain his sides inept performance again.

If I was the opposing manager loosing to Leeds at half time I would love it. It's ok lads they ship goals like the titanic ships water, just pressure them.

It's a point lost as far as I am concerned. Saved only by a player who actually puts 110 % in. Disappointing, very disappointing again indeed

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23 Sep 2011 21:39:10
So we get a point. So what. Still a joke. Still defend like school children. People can say don't be negative, blah, blah, blah. But tonight was utterly, utterly, utterly unprofessional. No way we should not have won that game tonight. Throwing points away.

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23 Sep 2011 21:37:00
CAN.NOT.DEFEND.

An absolute joke. Looking at us in the first half, really good movement, passing the ball etc. Looked a good top half team. After the break: Gifted them a goal, a stupid penalty and then losing M-Smith for the third. Fair enough, Brighton are going to be one of the teams to beat this season, and taking into account the tiredness from the other night. But still, the way we defend is just not acceptable. I don't know what to say. Why hasn't it been addressed?? It is a disgrace. They just gifted it them. Letting them back in the 2nd minute of the second half..... Absolutely no chance of play-offs defending like that this season. SG should have acted. I really rate and support him, but it's getting really hard to make excuses. Any team with any ambition to challenge at the top end cannot be as unprofessional as that. I am really, really angry. Pathetic. I hope SG is honest and doesn't pull any punches and concedes that it is just not acceptable.

Thanks for a horrendous Friday night Leeds. Sort it out SG.

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Well I'm happy to report SG didn't pull any punches, he basically said in the post match interview we didn't have the dsire to see the match out, and he was right, we can't string together 60 mins of solid football. Peter Beagrie in sky sports studio praised our two full backs White and Lees and dissed our cb's. hats off to McCormack and the rest of the team, shirts off now for our cb's too many errors so far this season.

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Cheer up. Leeds RL won. Not all bad. Well...

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I am pleased to here SG was honest and said what needed to be said. We have quality going forward and no one is questioning they are trying, it's just defensively they are shocking. Beyond belief. The team cannot be allowed to throw away a good away win like that. I like SG, but starting to wonder for the first time if he can solve the defensive problems an take us forward. I think KB might be too.

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23 Sep 2011 21:36:42
Graysons got to go he doesnt have a clue

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23 Sep 2011 21:35:56
Brighton fans are bang on.. 2-0 and we f**ked it up,well had enough, Grayson must be on the brink because defensively we are on relegation form.

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23 Sep 2011 21:30:39
Ayone think the manager needs to go?

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23 Sep 2011 21:30:33
Leigh Bromby gave away ALL 3 goals tonight........ Free transfer him now SG

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23 Sep 2011 21:29:38
Taxi for Grayson.

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23 Sep 2011 21:13:00
Can't believe how we have just thrown away a 2 goal lead,could get worse, let's hope the strikers can save us from an embarrassing defeat.

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Larry OUT, NOW !!!!

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23 Sep 2011 19:55:52
just seen tonights line-up, snodgrass n howson in again,got to be kidding!,feel sorry for young lees, he is getting no help or protection from snoddy, the left side looks better with and hopefully pugh helping white,

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23 Sep 2011 18:14:59
Score predictions for tonight everyone: ?

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Brighton 2 - 3 leeds

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Watched our last few games and watched Brighton V Liverpool - I hate to be a doom merchant but I fear the worst

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23 Sep 2011 16:42:53
This should be the line up for tonight:

GK Lonergan
RB Connoly
CB Lees
CB O'Dea
LB Pugh
RW McCormack
RCM Clayton
CDM Vayrynen
LCM Nunez
LW White
ST Forrsell

With Keogh, Becchio, Howson and Snodgrass to be thrown on in the last half as impact...

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Ref might not be too happy if we introduce 4 subs second half

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What all of them ....cant have 4 subs. on at once pal...lol.

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23 Sep 2011 16:03:29
gonna say this b4 the game tonight,if Grayson doesn't drop howson and play vayrnen,then drop snoddy too then Grayson needs to be sacked,cos these two have not performed all season,howson disappears and snoddy not interested.This MUST be sorted out and fast,Grayson,set on keeping in his favourites reguardless.

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Totally agree,but can you honestly see SG dropping Howson,he takes player loyalty way too far,if a players not performing drop him,same with Snoddy,they must think well even though Im not playing well Ill still be in the side,Howsons displays dont warrant a place on the bench let alone the starting eleven.

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Wont happen.........

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Well then Grayson's gotta go,tactics and team selection a joke,how can you say we have good competition for places when the fringe players never or rarely get a chance even when some of the so called 1st team regular's don't perform and on a regular basis,madness!!.i think that grayson's had his time,we have a good enough swad to get out of this league,dispite bates trying his hardest not to invest,but the buck must stop with the manager,if he can't get the best out of some of the players then he needs to be replaced,i take no joy in saying this,cos i wanted grayson to be the one to take us back to the prem, but he ain't the one,so we need to move on,

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Blind Loyalty = INEPT

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Neither Snod or Howson deserve a place based on performances but they are two of our more talented players. If SG can't motivate them he should leave them out. Gus's boys will be one of the best units we play this season, they are comfortable on the ball, can pick a pass and Gus will have them well organised. We certainly can't carry any passengers we need to pick a team that are proud to wear the shirt as the saying goes " hard work will beat talent if talent doesn't work hard "

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Whats the score at ht bud?

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Well it's 2-0 at half time, out mf has dominated, so what now take jonny and snoddy off at half time, LMFAO. give Vyrnen 15 mins in second half if it goes to 2-2, otherwise leave be. MOT

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23 Sep 2011 15:30:48
I think this is Leeds strongest line up

GK Lonergan
RB Connoly
CB Lees
CB O Dea
LB Pugh
CDM Vayrynen
LCM Clayton
RCM Howson
RW Snodgrass
ST Becchio
LW McCormack
4-3-3

Bench- rachubka-Bruce-Forssell-keogh-brown

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I would rather see:

GK Lonergan
RB Connoly
CB Lees
CB O'Dea
LB Pugh
RW McCormack
RCM Clayton
CDM Vayrynen
LCM Nunez
LW White
ST Forrsell

At least for the first half...I definitely think Forrsell has the skill, pace and finishing to play as lone striker...

This would also leave Becchio, Snodgrass and Howson to be used as impact players in the last half hour

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Howson impact player ha

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Haha, fair point...I forgot about Keogh to be honest so he would come before Howson after recent performances

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Well said bud,wish SG would realise his mistakes.

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23 Sep 2011 09:56:39
Interesting piece in the sun newspaper describing elland road as "Helland road."
Describing Leeds fans as disgusting. I know it's only a red top trashy newspaper, but it's a poor state of affairs how they are calling for us to be kicked out a competition and have behind closed doors games, likening us to Fenerbache of all teams.

Interesting point as well that the police officer with a broken leg reported on the news was actually kicked by a horse and not during any violence by fans.

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Did it mention the istanbul flag??

im sure there would of been less trouble if our taxes went on police that could actually do their job, whos idea was it to schauffer them down elland road past billys bar infront of us to goad us??

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Maybe we should sue them for slander...

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Typical of the press, focus on Leeds, cant have anything said against those wonderful man u fans can we. I was there on Tuesday and whilst in no way condoning the actions of the idiots chanting about Munich, what about their fans with references to Istanbul Galascum shirs, the Istanbul flag, letting off the flare after the 2nd goal, the bottle thrown onto the pitch just behind Lonegran. The bus with their fans that pulled up alongside us with their 'fans' hanging out of the windows shouting Istanbul. Try explaining to a 9yr old who asks "why are they chanting that Dad". My response, "cos they are idiots son who dont know any better" - just like the idiots from leeds making reference to Munich. Not saying two wrongs make a right, but why let the facts get in the way of a good story eh.

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The tragic accident that in happend in Munich was terrible and its well out of order that people should be making references it. However, the press should not forget in all this that two LUFC fans were murdered when they went to watch a football game, something which seems to be forgotten when the likes of the sun are making their sensationalist headlines -

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Good opportunity for Ken to redeem himself in the eyes of some fans and stick up for us. sue the S*n.

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Oooooh no that would mean Ken sticking up for the fans and defending people who he clearly has no time for. Nah Ken only looks after number one......himself!!

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23 Sep 2011 07:58:57
If you were a Leeds player stumbling across this site what impression would it have on your performance as a player..?
If you were the manager of our great club been ridiculed weekly by bates and his total lack of support in the transfer market how would you feel -? I just wanna support S.G and the boys and say 'no mater what happens, what ever team we play, Man Utd or Mansfield I will always be proud to be a Leeds fan'

Lets be positive and play the hand that's been dealt were Leeds and were proud of it...! Good Luck v Brighton Lads

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I'm a loyal Leeds Fan but I'm not going to accept whatever is dished out and neither should you - That's how Hitler came to power!

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Hitlers been re-incarnated and come back as bates! Anyone who disagrees with him is simply removed and silenced!

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While I admire loyalty I can't condone blind loyalty - loyalty is a 2 way street and at the moment it's all one way! It's quite clear that Bates has an agenda which is completely different to that of Leeds fans. It is a nonsense to support/condone such an agenda. If Leeds fans fail to voice their opinion then those in power will consider that they are satisfied with the s---- that is being seved up at £40 a shot!

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