Leeds Banter Archive November 25 2018

 

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25 Nov 2018 22:32:16
I was out last night having a curry with a couple of Bristol City supporters. They were trying to say that if their player wasn't sent off it would have been a different result! Who can really say? My view is that their player couldn't handle the occasion and the fan's. When you go to Elland Rd these days it's more that the team you are playing. I only gloated a little. Loving Leeds.

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26 Nov 2018 07:05:35
They’d have also won if they scored 3/ 4 goals

They didn’t 😂.

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26 Nov 2018 08:43:14
The stuff about “ Leeds only win because of the sending off “, coming from some Leeds supporters on here, not just Bristol City fans!

If a sending off is justified, and this one was, two deserved yellow cards, it says something about what is happening in the game. They were attempting to stop us playing by using legal and illegal means. Once the referee made it harder for them to use the illegal means and punished them for doing so, they caved! But if we had should have been 1/2 up by then anyone IF we had taken our chances. Another IF.

To me what it shows, is that we are not an easy team to play against and even if you try and get the tactics right, keeping that up legally through 90 mins is very hard.

West Brom so far, have been the best example of combating our style and having the skillful physical players needed to take advantage of it.

I’m really keen to see how we do against both Sheffield and Aston Villa, to see what we’ve learned from West Brom.

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26 Nov 2018 16:41:18
You are correct Spanish. Sides are dropping back to create a bank of 4 and 5 when we have the ball and supplementing it with physicality (both legal and illegal) to stop us getting any momentum. Although I did not think the Ref had a great game on Saturday, he did apply the rules of the game correctly, to send off a player for two bookable offences.

We will come up against this tactic time and time again, therefore it is important that we do not become a Reading of two seasons ago, where possession without purpose becomes the only meaningful statistic (although they did make the playoff final!). In the first half we made it easy for Bristol as we knocked it about in our half and then kept knocking a hopeful long ball.

In the second half, particularly when Saiz came on to help the transition, we were moving the ball faster with more attacking purpose. It was this that undid Bristol, yes the additional man helped but I think playing this way would have beaten them with eleven men.

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26 Nov 2018 19:44:08
You always know when you hit a nerve, some so called Leeds fan will never change or post the truth, or mabe it hurts what ever it is get over it stop being a silly boy.

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26 Nov 2018 23:20:09
Excellent post Sheriff.

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25 Nov 2018 20:23:13
A few lads saying we need more pace in team. Nonsense talk. Let the ball do the work like all great teams. One of the best sides I ever saw was the Man U team with Scholes Keane Giggs Beckham and Cole Yorke Sheringham Van Nistelrooy Cantona or whoever up front. Not to mention the likes of Zico Eder Socrates for Brazil or Fashunu Jones and Wise for Wimbledon!
Just saying.

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{Ed025's Note - i was with you all the way until those last 3 cork..

25 Nov 2018 21:18:20
Ed025 Congrats on your current berth.

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{Ed025's Note - cheers george..

26 Nov 2018 03:31:20
We definitely need to change defence to attack much quicker, time for Saiz to start IMHO :)

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25 Nov 2018 19:06:36
One thing I really liked about yesterday's game was how Bub changed things up when they went a man down. Most managers say "Oh, yay" and push on relying on numbers alone to get the win, substituting like for like when needed.
Not Bielsa. He changed the shape of the team to take full advantage of the situation and went for the throat.
Bielsa is always thinking through every game. Another edge he brings to pass.

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25 Nov 2018 19:18:38
Good point Kiwi and having Saiz, Clarke and Harrison gives us those options and with Bamford and Brown, more!

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25 Nov 2018 20:12:05
Good post kiwi mate.

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25 Nov 2018 18:01:06
Quiz time, what happened on this day, 12 months ago? Answers on a postcard please :)

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25 Nov 2018 18:41:49
Saiz and Alioski scored.

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25 Nov 2018 19:19:18
Bermondsey posted without mentioning KP?

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25 Nov 2018 19:33:40
Aus forgot to take his medication. Again!

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25 Nov 2018 19:45:52
George used a hashtag for the first time!

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25 Nov 2018 19:51:54
#youcouldberightspanish.

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25 Nov 2018 19:54:20
We got a penalty.

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25 Nov 2018 20:13:13
Saiz scored! ! ! ! (George, Alioski has scored this season already)

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25 Nov 2018 21:17:42
What's a year between league goals for a withdrawn striker?

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25 Nov 2018 23:10:41
Whether he's a withdrawn, well drawn or badly drawn striker, the clue's in the last bit STRIKER! ! a year's a long time for any striker not to score, mind you he looked very happy after the game yesterday so I'm looking forward to his hat-trick on Tuesday night :)

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26 Nov 2018 11:22:54
I think he’s worth for more creating opportunities than he is taking them! A lot of the time he doesn’t seem to connect well with the ball when he shoots. Probably too tired or confused by all his magical weaving or the hacking at his ankles. Saiz that is not George or Al!

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26 Nov 2018 12:11:53
I wasn't knocking the lad (even tho it reads that way) I think that if he does score then it will set him off on a good run of goals and assists.

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26 Nov 2018 19:13:34
have to go back longer than a year for me not to mention KP, I have been lucky enough to meet a lot of football managers, chairmen and scouts over the last few weeks and really have been doing my upmost to sell him, if he does go i think i am owed a cut of his fee, although from feedback i got i think he will be staying at leeds for the time being, which overall is a good thing as he will be good in more games than he will be bad.

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26 Nov 2018 22:12:47
I sense a softening of your attitude, Bermondsey! “He’ll be good in more games than bad”! But do you still think we won’t win promotion with him playing for us?

Hope the play is going well! Was it just scouts or Guides as well?

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27 Nov 2018 09:08:17
cheers mate,

play went really well and has been picked up to go on tour so looking forward to bringing it to leeds! just scouts sadly but did have a good chat with a spurs scout about my old mate KP, and the scout did confirm he has watched leeds live three times this year and liked what he saw! which was nice to hear and chat about an 'expert outsiders view'

I think with Kp we will make playoffs and his lack of phyicality will costs us along with not bein clincincal enough.

i think we have come a long way but when push comes to shove against the better teams who we will play in play offs we will be found wanting (like we are in the league) KP lack of physicallity is huge weakness, but then so is keeper, alosiki and inability to put ball in net enough.

still playoffs is a huge step forward and love to see that and then next year MB will see us back to the promise land!

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27 Nov 2018 12:50:56
Amazing news Bermo - look forward to seeing it again in Leeds. Is Blackpool also on the cards?

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27 Nov 2018 15:35:06
i hope so alf I love Blackpool!

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25 Nov 2018 13:40:20
I thought we did well yesterday especially when you consider Ayling, Berardi, Pontus, Bamford and Brown all missing and two debutants playing. Huffer and Halme to be honest we're not really tested but the key is they fitted in as they are playing in the same system as they do in the U23's. Both looked comfortable on the ball and both look very promising. The clamour for signings in January is baffling to me although I would go for a decent winger as Alioski, Dallas and Harrison are not the answer. Our wingers are not pacey enough, skilful enough or threaten enough and the delivery particularly from Alioski and Harrison is so poor. Why Jack Clarke isn't given more of a chance I do not know, he just might be the answer. Similarly with Shackleton at right back as Dallas defensively is so out of his depth and Bristol City targeted him right from the start yesterday and one of their attacks saw Pablo back helping out with Dallas still trying to get back.
Baker did well when he came on and deserves a start in my opinion. KP excellent again as was Forshaw and Roofe did very well his hold up play is improving.
I love the style of football we are playing and the fact that the youngsters that come in are looking so promising. As a club that will serve us well in the future. I obviously hope we go up this season but can you imagine just how good this group of players and those youngsters will be having had a year of MB's coaching and experience rather than the 6 months they have had so far.

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25 Nov 2018 14:10:02
Hey white. Good post.
It 100% baffles me how for the last 10 yrs we have signed unskilled slow wingers. Don’t get it.

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25 Nov 2018 19:21:09
Sacko wasn’t slow just didn’t look where he was going and struggled when he had to take the ball with him or pass it!

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25 Nov 2018 23:12:24
If we could get a Sacko-Dallas hybrid we'd be laughing.

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25 Nov 2018 12:51:56
Well done to Will Huffer yesterday. He seems like one for the future and should be exposed to the first team atmosphere as often as possible. I always think that with goalkeeping everything is the same. It does not matter who put the cross in or who took the shot the only difference between U23s and first team is the pressure of 30000 pairs of eyes judging your every move. The actual football moves are the same. The need for angles is just the same. It is easy for the coaches, early on, to identify that we have a gem in the making the main missing piece is then mental. Can he cope with the pressure and can he easily boss about more senior players. Maybe we have such a gem in young Huffer only time will tell and yesterday was a good first taste for him. Not much to trouble him and yet feeling the cauldron of a full Elland Road. Good Luck young Will and all the best for the future (with Leeds United)

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25 Nov 2018 13:27:57
Not sure you are right there mate.
Think goalkeeping is like driving. It’s all about reading timing and trajectory!
If you can’t do either like the wield. your ****ed.
I think a big crowd will daunt u but should never take away your ability and ability.
A player chooses goalkeeper aware of the additional pressure. Don’t use crowd as an excuse.
I think in 1-3 yrs pf will be a great goalkeeper. But not yet. And I don’t want to bare with him whilst he learns.

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25 Nov 2018 16:42:08
Goal keepers peak around 29. so plenty of learning still for all our gks

Forgive any errors now and stick with them.

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25 Nov 2018 19:28:56
Point about Huffer is that at the moment he has 100% clean sheets with the first team! So he hadn’t really dropped any clangers or cost us any points. He did also safe a penalty in a euro championship qualifier, minutes after coming in. I’ve seen him in the under 23s and I think he shouts and directs his defense more than Bailey and def more than Blackman, who seemed really quiet. Obviously shouting at Pontus will take a little bit of time, but later in the game on Saturday, I thought he started to boss it a bit more and the really good catch will help his confidence. Obviously it will take a bit of time to get used to 30k people but he seemed to really enjoy it and was the last on the pitch. Miazak isn’t bad either. So although I think a “ seasoned professional” would be good to have in there as well with the goalies, no need to panic, yet!

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25 Nov 2018 12:32:16
Given the players we have, and the ones coming back I think we could manage with a couple of additions. A winger - Gomez maybe and a striker. Roofe is ok but he's not a consistent threat like a Dwight Gayle for example. Bamford is a decent player but he's not the lone striker/ scorer type. He slipped back at Middleborough and has not been as good since he was playing in the midfield or wide. I like Alioski's work rate and tenacity but he is a much better full/ wing back than an out and out winger. I don't rate Dallas as a first choice anything. Ok for the squad that's all. Not too keen on Harrison either. Hope he improves because he certainly isn't good enough at the moment. Might be just a confidence issue. Hope so.
Haven't mentioned the goalkeeper because that's an obvious one. I'm just talking about outfield players.

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25 Nov 2018 13:02:57
Don't know if Halme is the future Hess. Maybe he is but for the short term maybe we should look at recruiting a solid, old head, at the back. From the number of names who are, or will be in January, out of contract.

I hear what you are saying about a striker. Others are making the same call so there must be something in it but with the names already on the payroll I don't believe that is one of our problem areas at the moment. Isn't the return of Bamford (and to a certain extent Brown) just like new signings anyway?

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25 Nov 2018 13:47:40
Bamford? Please provide recent proof he can do it on big stage? Blokes a bottler and lacks everything we need. Complete waste of 10.

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25 Nov 2018 16:46:39
He’s a what?

Based on what exactly?

Please provide your intimate knowledge of the lad

He’s a Leeds player
Leeds ( and I include MB) wanted him at the club
He wanted to join Leeds

Whilst he’s at Leeds ( I hope it’s a long career ) I’ll back him 100%

Now kewell

He’s a **** please stick to deriding those that have actually done damage to the club.

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25 Nov 2018 19:36:05
I’ve got a feeling that the Bamford we see soon, may be a lot better than you think Aus. He’s had a lot of time to recover and take in what is happening around him . He didn’t have that preseason . And obviously Bielsa is seeing what he can do in training which will help him decide if we need someone else.

CBS, given the faith Bielsa has with Cooper, Pontus, Phillips, Beradi in that position and with Aapo, Diaz, Struick and Shaunessy. Not sure that is the priority.

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25 Nov 2018 21:32:42
Well said woody!

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25 Nov 2018 11:23:57
And their manager said we were lucky? Lucky we didn't score 6.

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25 Nov 2018 11:37:05
The words of a man under a bit of pressure I think! Shows again how quickly your star can fade in football!

Lose again this week and he’ll be lucky to stay in the job!

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25 Nov 2018 13:38:03
As a manager I don’t think you should ever bail your team out.
Even if they were conpletely blameless u should always as a question.
To say we were lucky is a man trying to make his own job easier by not blaming his own team. That lost!

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25 Nov 2018 15:42:58
Ausman many would say there is nothing lucky about winning, can’t recall who posted that s. but I think your right, apart from the 11 ghost players which we can see we haven’t got now, he didn’t have much to choose from.

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25 Nov 2018 11:04:02
Rob Green anyone?

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25 Nov 2018 11:17:45
Not my type, thanks though!

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25 Nov 2018 01:13:03
Good result should have scored more though but a win is a win. Well done to young Huffer, said 2 year ago he was a future England keeper and getting the nod today he will still be buzzing, clean sheet as well. Leeds through and through. Halme played his part as well. KP man of the match for me, how many tackles did he make today about 40. Saiz played well when he came on. Dallas put a good shift in as well. Only Alioski who let himself down a bit, he can do a lot better, wish we started with Clarke in a couple of games.3 points against Reading now and its onwards and upwards. KP Beckenbaur.

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25 Nov 2018 08:02:44
Good post Bige. A number of posters write off the under 23 players as “kids” with no experience without looking at the background and skills of the players who stand out from that group. There are a whole batch of players in that group who can come in and play a role if and when needed. Give them a chance and judge them on their performances, don’t slag them off before they have had an opportunity.

According to Radio Leeds, Huffer is the first Leeds united goalie to have a league clean sheet on debut since 1960s. Anyone know the stat? Not a bad start!

Remember Paul Rachubka, he was a “seasoned professional” who was very quickly roasted! I think we could all list a number of “seasoned professionals” who came to the club and played worse than These “kids”. Let’s give them a chance!

If we have players in the under 23s, the coaching team learn a lot about them, how hard they work, their professionalism and they have a chance to learn and practice the system. Sometimes that will mean that certain players from that group are a better bet for a Bielsa type team than a player we buy in at a great cost from another club!

Of course we should still be looking for other players to come in at under 23 and first team level, but the right players, right attitude, right price.

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25 Nov 2018 10:40:08
Bielsa seems to like Alioski, personally Alioski should be benched for a few games and maybe give Clarke or Harrison a start. Saiz must be ready for his starting place again as he has set up goals for Hernandez in the last 2 games. Hopefully we will have a couple of players back from injury for the Sheffield United game, but can see Bielsa starting with the same line up for Reading game on Tuesday.

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25 Nov 2018 11:34:52
I think Alioski and Clarke on one side might be an attractive combination. Benefit from Alioskis defending and Clarke a bit better at staying onside.

Reading could be another game where we can stay with Huffer and Aapo and shift the personnel in the same way as we did on Sat if needed. Try and make sure we have as many players as possible fit for the Sheffield game.

It would be good to see how Huffer does in his second game with a bit more confidence. Imagine Miazik or the under 18s keeper will play tomorrow in the under 23s.

We really should celebrate Huffer playing, 10 years with the club, and An international at various age groups. Could be a great asset for us in the future. Remember these “kids” have hunger, this is a chance to change their lives, potentially in an enormous way. So they should be really up for it.

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25 Nov 2018 11:38:17
Mezz, KP 40 tackles, bermondsey didn’t see any of them!

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25 Nov 2018 11:38:24
Good to get the important 3 points yesterday and put WBA behind us.

There are still plenty of goals in us like the start of the season but I feel we have lost the zip, the Pace in attacking we usually play with. Injuries we have of many aside MB has shown how versatile the squad is, Would like Clarke to get a few more starts he’s a great talent.
Dallas at rb or lb doesn’t work imo.
Reading will be tougher than Bristol City.
Onwards and upwards!

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25 Nov 2018 14:20:50
Spanish, don't worry about it, I've heard KP didn't see Bermondseys play either.

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25 Nov 2018 16:57:54
Ibilko, it was difficult to tell yesterday because Saiz came off after the sending off, I think! But I wonder if Forshaw, Klich and KP is the difference with the pace and fluidity to having Saiz and no Forshaw. Forshaw seems to stop and think more and pass back then Saiz whose first reaction is to move either the ball or himself forward and Klich nor Forshaw can do that as well. So perhaps within that is a slightly different way of playing Plan A. By varying which of the 3 is on the bench we can change the tactics slightly .

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