Leeds Banter Archive December 27 2020

 

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27 Dec 2020 23:15:22
Bielsa has won 3 league titles in Argentina and the Championship with Leeds. Olympic gold with Argentina. If he had taken Mourino's path and chosen the best teams in the world to work with he would have won more. Saying he hasn't won anything is incorrect and imo pretty disrespectful. He has taken 'smaller'clubs to achieve great things and has many runners up against teams with much more resources. Winning things does not tell the whole story.

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28 Dec 2020 00:49:14
Belisa took a big team in a small league no great feet in my opinion he then won second tier with highest club and big wages and transfer spend

Mourino made his fame wit little Porto winning champs league then bossed prem, won champs league another two times (one with inter who were far from favs) and took a poor Man Utd team second which no manger since Fergie has come close to

Love or loave him Mourino has to be considered a great while belisa for me has done nothing outside of Mickey Mouse Argentina league

Mour won champs with Porto which was small club while belisa favs of Argentinia flop in World Cup. style for me counts for little just ask anyone who has cheered on Mourino win something . with football results do tell all the story. winners write the history books fancy football might make a footnote at best.

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{Ed001's Note - little Porto? You have no idea. Embarrassing how ignorant your post is. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, even your arrogant dismissal of Inter is based on ignorance. They were one of the favourites, it has only been the mess Jose left Inter in, with a wage bill they couldn't afford, that has seem them slip away from the top tier since then. You will do anything to slag off Bielsa, even making up stuff about how great your team was before he arrived. You constantly forget that you yourself kept banging on about how crap they were back before Bielsa.}

28 Dec 2020 02:40:21
Correct.

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28 Dec 2020 07:09:34
Ed001 What do expect from a poster who proclaims John Lukic as Leeds best goalkeeper in 30 years and believes the "best manager to have ever managed Leeds" is Clough, not Revie. He's a shock jock but writes good plays though.

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28 Dec 2020 07:27:43
Berm If Porto are "little" like you say with their almost 80 major trophy wins and 51,000 record attendance in their stadium, Leeds must be just a cute twinkly minnow of a club formed in the eye of an aging pixie.

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{Ed001's Note - exactly.}

28 Dec 2020 08:37:55
No Ed it is not embarrassing it is taken out of context

When I say little Porto I mean in the context of the champs league they won., they were little compared to the teams they beat . hence why after they won it the team got picked apart by bigger clubs. wage bill and transfer spend when Porto won it they were little . they were 500-1 to win the champs league when that competition startered which is massive outsiders I know that because my uncle backed them. so not ignorant is it

Then of course inter are a big team but in my opinion (and the opinion of many pundits and again the bookies) inter were far from favs to win the champs league. Look over the starting 11 it was not packed with galaticos like Madrid or city but with hard working players. lost the players Ed and honestly would you of backed them to win champs league that year?

So my post is far from inginorant is it. yet again you jump on with you biased harsh judgement from a great height

Answer me one question is 500-1 is not an outsider what is

Also I was very supportive of Leeds under monk who I think did a good job on the whole yes the manager from
Barnsley who I thought would be good was useless and took us backwards but we was not as bad as many say before belisa got here under monk

Bet this don’t get posted as you seem to block my replies that make you look stupid but love a debate from you on this but you never seem to do it.

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{Ed001's Note - you are full of it. 500-1 my arse! They beat Monaco in the final. They had previous experience of winning the Champions League. No one called them little but you. It is ignorance.

Again with the nonsense about the bookies who know f all about football. Inter were one of the favourites and they had at least one Galactico in Eto'o. Javier Zanietti is one of the best players of all time. Lucio and Maicon were top class Brazilians. Sneijder, Chivu, Cambiasso, where ever you look that team was littered with quality players. And yes, like many that season I did tip them to win it before it started. A lot of people did so.

I am going to ignore the end because I normally delete crass posts with that kind of crap on the end goading me. It won't happen again, next time I will just delete any attempts like that to goad me into posting your made-up nonsense.}

28 Dec 2020 08:38:07
Interested to hear Paddy saying (only in interview, I don’t know him personally or any of his family) that Bielsa organised Xmas raffle for everyone, staff wise and provided a new car for the winner! Now that’s what I call a great manager! Someone who cares about the club, the players, everyone who makes the place work! Take Bielsa over Mourinho or Alladyce every day of the week!

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28 Dec 2020 08:57:28
I have put my answers George but Ed blocked my post no idea why it had no rude language but did make a good point and make Ed look stupid which apparently he can’t handle

As for Clough vs revie. it is no competition no one outside of Leeds thinks the don is better than Clough.

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{Ed001's Note - more lies Berm? Final warning or you will be blocked. I do not appreciate you speaking like this. I work damn hard providing this forum, you do nothing but abuse its facilities.}

28 Dec 2020 09:48:56
just spoke to uncle. you was right 500-1 was rubbish I got confused that was a different bet he did. he got porto to win champs league at 80-1 which is still very big odds. so the big odds would mean porto were (in that competition) a comparatively little team

wanted to correct that as I was not lying but did get confused and got it massively wrong. so just to clear that up they were 80-1.nowhere near as big as I originally said but still pretty big in my opinion.

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{Ed001's Note - at the start of the Champions League, it is not unusual to get any club at those kind of odds. It is not until after the group stages start and people can see how teams are doing that the odds become lowered.}

28 Dec 2020 09:51:39
Down south belisa is a touch of class off the pitch. real quality paying the fine I think also shows his class.

I know that when the fans got on bamfords back belisa told him to ignore everyone other than him and Bamford backed the boss and himself and the results are clear. fair play to both.

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28 Dec 2020 10:23:40
here are ed found it

they were 66-1 taipeitimes.com/News/sport/archives/2004/05/07/2003154541

thats the official odds. my uncle got 80-1 which is possible if hunting for good odds which is what he does

I also noted that my longer post with all of the other websites backing up my view has not come up despite me posting it well before the odds and uncle one

why was this not posted ed? it was not rude or nasty. it was simply backing up my view that you jumped on me for.

you said I was ignorant and I was the only one who thought of porto as a small club. I then found many independent non-based websites saying exactly the same thing

I don't mind a debate, I will be honest I thought you post on me was harsh. I then found a lot of data to back up my opinion and certainly disprove your point that I was not ignorant and that I was far from the only one who thought of porto as comparatively small and then this post doesn't get posted?

I hope you can understand why I feel a little aggrieved at this?

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{Ed001's Note - oh for god's sake, I really don't care what a few clueless people have to say about one of the world's biggest clubs. This is the problem with the internet, ignorance is pushed at people instead of knowledge.}

28 Dec 2020 10:34:18
This is no lie my uncle got them at a huge 350-1 and told me the odds were higher before he backed them. as for no-one calling them little but me. this simply is not true. Jose himself called them little in reply to fergie. fergie said anyone could win the league with Chelseas money as they were the big team. Jose replied I know. I know but little teams can beat the big teams like when my little porto beat your big man utd.

I can find exact odds but I believe these links to websites below are not biased and certainly back my opinion up.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_UEFA_Champions_League_Final

wiki page calling porto outsiders. which is my point

blog.grosvenorcasinos.com/best-champions-league-managers/

calls Jose's achievement one of the biggest surprises.

transfermarkt.co.uk/final-of-the-underdogs-in-2003-04-when-porto-won-the-ucl-against-monaco/view/news/357234

final of underdogs.

footyanalyst.com/the-underdogs-from-porto-a-tale-of-2004-champions-league-success/

again another view:

sportskeeda.com/football/5-teams-who-bucked-the-odds-and-went-on-to-win-the-champions-league/4

to quote the above a win against all odds

please don't see these as an attempt to goad you they are not. they are simply me trying to back up my original view and defend myself against your claim my view is arrogant and I am the only one with it. which as the sites above prove is simply not the case.

this is not disrespectful to porto rather a comment on where they were when the competition started.

as for inter of course it was no where near the size of porto's achievement and again I can't find the odds, but in my opinion inter was not widely fancied to win the league and many do credit Jose for winning champs league with that team. but this is opinion only. I would argue the porto win is much harder to argue against.

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{Ed033's Note - I'm sure loads of people find your posts entertaining, Bermondsey. I think this is a win for you, well done. :)

Maybe people should check their egos in once in a while?

28 Dec 2020 11:36:34
Yes the raffle happens each year apparently. Just another reason why Bielsa is solid gold.

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28 Dec 2020 11:59:12
Very interesting debate of sorts between Berm and Ed001. Not to add oil onto the flames but in the above posts Berms uncle got odds of 80-1, then he says it was 350-1. Or maybe I've read it incorrectly.?

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28 Dec 2020 13:59:03
Correct Mezzer
Er Berm you said you phoned your Uncle and he told you he got odds of 80 to 1 then a few posts later you stated he told you he got odds of . 350 to 1 . Just saying re your credibility on this.

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28 Dec 2020 14:00:49
thanks ed33

to be honest I don't see it as a win as I didn't see it as a battle.

I love this site, love football and love the fact that people can have different opinions and different views its what makes life and this site beautiful

I know my views differ from most leeds fans, I think as a leeds fan but also as a proud south Londoner my views are often very different from most. I respect this.

I also know I am loud, abrasive, staunch in my opinions and will bang that drum maybe too loud and certainly too often. but I always try and respect other people and their views. even if they disagree with me so are obviously wrong (this is a joke honest).

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{Ed033's Note - Thanks for clarifying.

28 Dec 2020 14:03:47
I got it wrong but post were not posted in time order if that makes sense

I thought it was 350-1 but got confused it was actually 80-1 which is lot smaller but still outsiders and small team in bookies opinion.

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{Ed033's Note - Yes, but you have to realise that links to other sites have to be manually checked and that can throw out the order.

28 Dec 2020 15:01:45
The order of my posts were not the same as the order they are shown the post where I phoned my uncle was the last post hence the reason for the confusion. not my credibility honest!

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{Ed033's Note - Yes, but you have to realise that links to other sites have to be manually checked and that can throw out the order.

28 Dec 2020 16:11:29
Berm it’s very common for many good teams to be 50/ 1 and bigger at start of tournament.
Teams like Seville Dortmund and Leipzig were all around the 50 plus mark so Porto weren’t exactly outsiders just more in the middle of the betting.
And of course Mourinho would say they were a small club as it makes his achievement sound even better.

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28 Dec 2020 16:38:40
Cheers Ed for clarifying as wasn’t sure how it worked

Cork you are of course correct but to call a 66-1 one shot outsiders and a small club is not ignorant or embarrassing is it? It certainly was not an opinion I had no my own many agree with me.

The teams you mention while good teams are all smaller in comparison to city Liverpool bara etc and if they won it it would be considered outsiders

66-1 shots don’t often come in as bookies don’t like getting it wrong.

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27 Dec 2020 22:02:02
Almost the perfect day for us in terms of results, increased the cushion on 7 of the 8 teams below us.
WBA will be up for it after today's result on Tuesday but another 3 and we will be looking good.

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27 Dec 2020 23:00:45
Plus we closed on Liverpool by 2 points so the title is still on.

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28 Dec 2020 00:50:11
Rubbish big sam got a point at Liverpool now who would rate him as a gaffer hey?

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{Ed001's Note - and yet you say winning things is all that matters. What has he won?}

28 Dec 2020 01:03:10
Good point Alf!

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28 Dec 2020 07:14:36
Ed001 Didn't he win the 3rd Division title in late 90s with Notts County? This is the type of football Berm appreciates.

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{Ed001's Note - maybe, good point, I had forgotten lower league dross is more important than top flight Argentinian titles apparently.}

28 Dec 2020 08:45:17
Ed I do say winning is all that matters however of course only one team can win each thing each year so outside of winning the other way to earn my personal respect it to over achieve and perform the best you can

When you look over big sams career I would say you can constantly overachieved with the clubs he had. Dyce done the same Eddie Howe at bornemoutg also had a good go recently.

Chris Wilde did amazing job at Sheff Utd, Daivd Wagner at hudds and the bloke who got I think Wycombe promoted with no money and only 8 players at start o the season all have my personal respect for what’s worth

Winners are all that history books remember glory is all that can be truely celebrated however of course personal glory can be taken in overachieving. don’t you agree Ed or is this also ignorant.

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{Ed001's Note - oh for heaven's sake, Allardyce has spent huge money (comparatively) everywhere he has gone. Just watch how West Brom, who were selling players out from under Bilic, will suddenly find a transfer budget for the Scammer.

You say overachievement earns your respect, but you show none for a man that constantly overachieves in Bielsa. Clearly nonsense from you. You just have an agenda and you only see what suits you.}

28 Dec 2020 08:54:37
Not sure who was bigger favourites when they both won what they won but yes in theory winning a 3rd division title with a outsider would be a bigger achievement than winning a bigger league with a favourite team in my opinion not saying that’s the case here as no idea but for example hudds getting to prem is bigger acivevement than pep winning prem with city due to the players at the club and finances involved of course the glory goes to pep . winning is all that matters but respect can lie with the underdog. it’s why some still love the fa cup.

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28 Dec 2020 09:38:03
big sam has spent big money where ever he has gone?

I can't be sure but I find that hard to believe.

so you are saying bolton spent big money comparatively. so compared to other teams in champs league

and you are saying that West Brom will spend big this summer comparatively compared to all the other prem teams. I find that hard to believe. leeds spent 100million. I don't think West Brom will be spending that with big sam in the seat

as for belisa. no I don't think he has over acieheved anywhere he has been. glad to be enlightened in this as honestly I am not sure. but from what I have read his teams play nice stuff but win nothing outside of Argentina league. although when with Argentina they flopped under him despite being favourites for the torulements (I don't count Olympics as proper football but admit this is a biased of mine and maybe harsh on the competition)

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{Ed001's Note - Bolton weren't in the Champions League. But they spent so heavily that after he went they ended up in financial trouble. So yes they spent comparatively big money. You clearly do not understand what I meant by comparatively, I am talking about compared to their usual spending means. Every club he has been at, including Everton, spent more than they usually do.

Athletic Bilbao - check their record around the time before Bielsa and now since Bielsa, then look at where he had them. His Chile team massively overperformed and he built the team into a position where they could win things. Before him, they had a couple of great players but they could never achieve anything because they had nothing else. He coached their team into being competitive. Alexis Sanchez was transformed by working with him. I am not even going to get into the Argentina stuff as I don't know anything about what he was working with or what conditions he was working under, just like you, but I am not going to judge someone out of ignorance.}

28 Dec 2020 10:12:14
not champ league I meant prem

when I say comparatively I mean in terms of the league they are in

bolton were small fry compared to other prem teams in terms of spend yet punched above their weight. all of my points are based on this. punching above their weight, I massively respect this and think big sam on the whole punches above his weight

thanks for the info on Chile and bilbao I didn't knew too much about them other than bilbao massively imploded under him but this was just reading the headlines

I know quite abit about belisa's Argentina. in a nut shell. they massively under performed. many got behind the hype of belisa and the players he had (including me as I back them in a few bets) and they were very disappointing

you say unlike me you don't judge people out of ignorance. yet I will be honest I personally feel you have judged me out of ignorance. you jump on my post from a great height. and when I post a great reply with outside data and links to back it up you seem to not post it (other posts I made later have been put up yet I can't find the older post? )

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{Ed001's Note - why were Bolton small fry? They spent a decent amount of money for the time, or do you think Jay-Jay Okocha was there because he wanted to play for Allardyce? He was there because the wages were huge. Bolton were paying unsustainable amounts of money, more than most of their rivals at the time were willing to spend. He does exactly what Ridsdale did with Leeds, spent the club's future on keeping them competitive in the present. Particularly on the wage bill.

I will guarantee you know very little about Argentina, you can tell by the way you talk. You know nothing of the background, the pressure, the way players behaved etc as you have not mentioned anything other than they were hyped. So that suggests you are going on nothing, just the hype. There is a reason why Argentina have won nothing since Maradona's time, even since Bielsa with Messi. They simply are a mess of a nation. I blame the Welsh personally, as they have a large Welsh population there, including some members of my family (very distant relatives I would like to point out, well you don't get much more distant than Argentina do you?). They will struggle to ever achieve their potential as things stand. It is a shame as they have some great players but they have been unable to bring themselves together as a team.

As for outside links, those posts will have gone into the spam filter and that is Ed33 who checks that, so nothing to do with me. I have told you this before, but you would rather cry about how I am doing you down than actually take the time to ask if there is a problem.}

28 Dec 2020 11:55:03
Bielsa took Bilbao to the finals of the Spanish and UEFA cups - surely that is overachivement? Newells Old Boys have won the league 6 times in their history, twice under Bielsa when he delivered back to back titles. Velez Sarsfield won the league under Bielsa also. They have a richer history being 10 times winners but surely that proves with the right team Bielsa can deliver as well as anyone?

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28 Dec 2020 12:53:30
Don’t forget Big Sams 100% win record as England manager! . oh yeah. was just the one game!
Then he got greedy!

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27 Dec 2020 21:37:35
The difference between last season and Bielsas first season is that we won ugly and dug in and we won promotion . Digging in and getting ugly wins at Burnley is what will keep us up . To bounce back after that horrible 6-2 loss and keep a clean sheet was to me the most important win fo the season . 7 more wins will see a on 41 plus whatever draws we can get should see us somewhere in the 14th position to end the season . In my humble opinion.

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27 Dec 2020 22:30:36
Man of the match has to be Phillips did a fantastic job to day,

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27 Dec 2020 23:01:17
We were at Elland Road, not Burnley.

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28 Dec 2020 06:38:03
I think with no fans anymore, football grounds home or away have become very neutral in my opinion.

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28 Dec 2020 08:46:09
Your spot on op the results back this up.

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28 Dec 2020 15:53:13
You took from my post I said at Burnley rather than v Burnley, I think your were just looking to be pedantic.

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27 Dec 2020 20:42:59
I tell you what I absolutely love Paddy Bamford. Proper all round forward and a top geezer to boot.,

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28 Dec 2020 00:51:11
Love him I know his cousin very well comes from a proper footballing family as well.

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27 Dec 2020 20:17:02
What's up with our pitch it looks batterd lot of others look mint the ball was running slow on it.

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27 Dec 2020 20:34:57
Agree Brum it's the worst i have seen for a few years, might have the virus, what you reckon.

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27 Dec 2020 23:01:56
Too much rain i think. My back garden looks the same.

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27 Dec 2020 23:56:30
They mentioned it on the square ball. Was only meant for a few years, and this was back in 2012, and there was plans to install a new pitch in the summer but the virus made sure we couldn’t. Maybe this summer.

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28 Dec 2020 00:38:25
By all accounts the ground men weren't happy with it after last season and said it hasn't been draining properly. They wanted to replace it for the new season but obviously because of the current situation didn't have enough time to replace it.

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27 Dec 2020 17:54:32
I was happy Bamford took the penalty today, well taken confident pen. You’ve got to give it to Paddy this season, he’s doing exactly what a lot of people said he couldn’t do in the Premiership, score goals.
Well done the players, they really dug in today against a very tough physical team.

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27 Dec 2020 18:48:54
Spot on OP. Everyone doing brilliantly so far.

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27 Dec 2020 20:31:58
Bambam needs continue being penalty taker ; definitely not Klich.

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28 Dec 2020 00:07:50
I don't get why Klich has a reputation for good penalties - every pen I ever see him take he rolls it low. Now it might be that he waits for the keeper to move first - which they often do - but I wonder what he does if the keeper doesn't blink first. He was super lucky he got to retake the West Ham pen. I used to play in goal and if i could research Klich - I'm waiting for him to make the move and i'm 90% sure its going low without too much pace.

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27 Dec 2020 17:31:30
Life difficult for ourselves but 3 points all that matters.

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27 Dec 2020 21:34:16
For me Klich needs taken taking out of the team he's just not doing it, ok he's played 2half years and not missed a game but the lad obviously needs a rest and a talking to.

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27 Dec 2020 17:31:12
Well Bermo you said you would like to see us win ugly and that was as ugly as the ugly sister in The Gift. I thought we did well to defend against Burnley and Philips was outstanding, however we missed him in his usual role and didn't create as much particularly second half. Raphina caused loads of issues first half and should have scored one or two, Rodrigo also missed a good chance but its the passing that was most worrying. Went awry time and again. How many times die players slip over as well for goodness sakes - get some proper studs on those boots. Overall pleased that we held on but if we had taken some or our early chances the game could have been out of sight by the interval. As it was we made l.

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27 Dec 2020 18:46:18
yes mate that was an ugly win and I loved it, thought phillips was quality timely interceptions and very important for our win. we did lose his passing but we also gained him not getting beaten for pace and costing us goals. the result was a 1-0 ugly win rather than a 3-1 pretty loss which I will take every day of the week

and on another note I think the ugly sister/ santa/ cab driver in the gift is one handsome bloke.

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27 Dec 2020 23:03:03
Not as good looking as that widow t****y though. Phwoar!

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27 Dec 2020 16:42:47
Great win from the boys today who dug in and got the points, thought Bub timed his substitutions to perfection today.

No time personally for Dyche or his team, he has no class. When his team won at arsenal when xhaka rightfully sent off his Wenger contact lenses fails to see westwood start it.

The likes of Newcastle and Burnley’s way of playing does the best league in the world a disservice it is an entertainment industry after all. Appreciate why you like them berm but just different opinion.

Once again baffled by some negative comments re individuals today. Apparently It was a ‘must win’ game surely when you must do something that objective (win/ points presumably) is all/ the only thing that matters.

Well the boys delivered against a horrible opposition and for me are sitting in a brilliant position, playing in the main fantastic football with the majority of our Championship winning team.

Therefore, if you insist upon quantitive results you must be prepared to forgo the qualitative negative assessments that so often follow?

I loved every second of today’s performance including our brilliant young goalkeeper scrapping and fighting whilst gaining invaluable experience which will in time i’m sure see him as France’s national keeper.

Well done Struick and baby shacks who continue to show we have something really good going here, with more to come when bub thinks we need it.

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27 Dec 2020 16:59:55
I thought poveda done a good job today, prior to Raph being hooked burnley were bossing and it was all down our RHS, Ian provided a lot more options for. coming out of defence for us and hence seemed to take the wind from they're sails.

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27 Dec 2020 17:07:07
I like Poveda a lot Chris has the ability to one of our best at beating someone one on one .

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27 Dec 2020 17:32:13
Loved not the word as it was heart in mouth for the majority but a great battling win.

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27 Dec 2020 18:49:47
can appraicte your view but you are wrong on one point

this is not an entertainment business it is a result business. how pretty defeats count for nothing our ugly win was worth three points

like or loave it the results is all that matters and duyce is amazing for getting amazing results from that set of players. let's be honest how burnley have done what they have done season after season has to be admired even if it is not enjoyed.

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27 Dec 2020 20:56:48
We will have to agree to disagree on that point Berm.

Obviously there is a direct correlation between results and Entertainment. Revies Team probably more responsible for growing Leeds fan base than any other Leeds team because there was results but fantastic football.

The Busby babes and all that followed was due to the players they had the flair and yes, of course the entertainment. Then came the fans, Real Madrid, Barcelona City Liverpool there’s a recurring theme.

Possibly with the exception of Arsenals invincibles in a chicken egg scenario good football breeds results, in the main Burnley, Newcastle and any Allarrdyce side can and does get results but seldom do they grow, a fan base above what they generally have but they have different championships like staying up on the last day of the season.

However, where I do concede Berm, is the money now in the premiership means results are the ONLY thing when push comes to shove.

Thankfully we have a crazy man/ genius who wants to stay in the division differently. But that doesn’t mean we will, like you, we are both passionate about our team we ain’t going nowhere, but i’m so grateful we play Bubs way and not Dyche’s way.

So for me berm, i never ever admired our play under the snake but my love for the badge covered all. Only now I am delighted, excited to watch us play, i get anxious but I do believe in a team and manager who changed everything after 16 years of trying.

So it may be a touch arrogant for newbies but i honestly believe we can have both this year.

Good point about KP in the back line today though.

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27 Dec 2020 21:29:03
results are the bottom line,

mournino teams tend to play boring football, George graham very dull while belisa football is amazing but end of the day the first two have won stuff belisa hasn't

fans remember winning stuff, the history books remember the winners, you get no trophies for pretty football

dyce took a club with no players, no money and no fan base and has made them a main stay in the prem. that is unbelievable. dyce didn't have to spend 100 mill to keep his team up

hope we stay up pretty but if we go down and burley stay up there is only one winner and it is not pretty football.

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27 Dec 2020 22:47:04
Like I say may agree to disagree.

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27 Dec 2020 23:11:57
Bielsa has won the league 3 times in Argentina, Olympic gold with Argentina and the Championship with Leeds. These are all trophies. H3 has also won many individual honours and come runner up with teams that are not the biggest in their respective divisions. He is a wonderful coach.

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27 Dec 2020 16:30:00
Home win with sheet of cleanliness a thing of beauty.

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27 Dec 2020 15:57:43
Leeds were poor today agreed, and nothing at all wrong with the Burnley goal.
So me thinks you should thank your lucky stars you got the three points and not just one.

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27 Dec 2020 16:13:07
Their goal wasn’t disallowed, whistle was blown before goal went in VD.

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27 Dec 2020 16:19:19
Yeah just watched the replay in slow-mo, you are right, apologies.

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27 Dec 2020 16:25:55
VD it's Christmas so I WOULD BE NICE TO YOU!

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27 Dec 2020 16:32:54
Anyone else think the pitch became a leveller today?

I thought my eyes were getting even worse when I was watching. Then my son walks by and asks what's wrong with the pitch? Then my wife pipes up that it looks like a ploughed field.

No wonder out passing game was bobbins today and the Burnley route 1 tactic paid dividends in the end.

Personally I thought Messier was brilliant today. He came out and attempted to take every cross and every high punt. It was a risky strategy but at no time did Burnley look like dominating our penalty area. Could have gone so badly wrong but in the end we got 3 valuable points.

As others, I thought Ayling was amazing but I also thought young Struick stuck to his task well that Wood is a proper PL striker

Didn't think any of our forward player did well but possibly that is down to a rubbish pitch.

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27 Dec 2020 16:32:59
VD You can thank your lucky stars 🌠 you're in the same division as us.

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27 Dec 2020 16:45:39
Axe, you didn't think paddy done well? The man does so much under the radar stuff it's incredible, he was everywhere as usual, tarkowski was all over the gaff trying to tie him down, granted 2nd half he was better but let's not forget Paddy's running and ultimately scoring was imo the difference between them and us.

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27 Dec 2020 16:54:13
Like it George haha.

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27 Dec 2020 17:33:17
0addy did his job and got us the goal - no complaints. Others need to chip in more.

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27 Dec 2020 18:50:24
I don't agree that Burnley route 1 tactic paid dividends in the end. They lost.

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27 Dec 2020 15:21:14
Did you know? After 15 games last season Sheffield United had one less point than us, and they were being talked about as Europa league candidates. So please, no more talk of the R word.
WE AREN'T GOING DOWN! 👍
I've said it before, but I'd really like us to give the FA Cup a go. Wouldn't that be great? Comfortably stay up and win the cup in our first season back! 🏆.

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27 Dec 2020 16:05:48
Until we grow a bigger squad Dan I feel Prem comfortable survival is the first and only goal.

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27 Dec 2020 14:36:49
3 points, half to safety IMO, positives for me Ayling again, good subs from MB, negatives, sloppy passing and klich poor
MOT, BIG win.

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27 Dec 2020 15:17:07
Have to say I'm surprised we are persisting with Klich right now, giving us very little and looks tired.
Surprised Geldhart doesn't even make the bench as expected him to be a potential first team player this season.

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27 Dec 2020 16:01:10
Not belisa way to mix it up shame as shacks looks quailty when on as does Pablo also why he persists with Harrison for every Newcastle game and Liverpool goal comes five under par performances.

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27 Dec 2020 14:29:52
My that was a hard watch. Not pretty, not even the Leeds we are used to watching but the 3, scrapped for, points could prove invaluable. Well done lads to prove that, push comes to shove, you can defend.

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27 Dec 2020 15:08:24
love it though rather watch the leeds we ain't use to but win a poor 1-0 than watch a great team but concede for fun, I preferred today to the Newcastle game all day long.

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27 Dec 2020 16:11:34
Bermo, I think our achilles heel kept showing itself. With good possession and going forward we managed to pass to a wrong coloured shirt, time and time again. Made for a good defensive showing but given a choice.?

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27 Dec 2020 14:25:00
Not at our best today. Played quite well in the first half but conversion rate was low again . Second half we were under pressure but still could and perhaps should have scored. We were sloppy again bringing balls out of defence. The factor, however by a long way, was that Cooper wasn't playing. For seasons now it has been clear. When Cooper plays we concede from set pieces. He didn't play today and we didn't concede despite Burnley having a glut of set pieces. I have seen it before, even in the lower divisions. when he plays he contrives not only to mess things up himself he gets in the way of others trying to do their job. Makeshift defence and we don't concede - speaks volumes.

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27 Dec 2020 14:35:40
Got to agree hess regarding cooper, like the guy but he's a liability in our defence. Really tough game today and like you say we were sloppy bringing the ball out of our defence. Does my nut in on how often we put ourselves under pressure passing it around our own penalty area, would it hurt to play it long sometimes to take the pressure off.

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27 Dec 2020 15:09:06
great point it is a shame we have to be lucky enough to have Cooper injured to not have him picked.

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27 Dec 2020 15:19:12
Cooper tries to play the man and forgets the ball. Struijk won twice as many balls in the air as Cooper would.
Another clean sheet against the baggies will have us well on the way to the points needed to ensure safety.

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27 Dec 2020 16:38:46
Good posts these. Struick is currently on a par with Cooper in my view but give him a run in the side will improve and learn more about defending on the job. Hard to see Cooper playing many more games for us. That said we should be classy to him and recognize his servitude to us as a player and captain. No harm keeping him at the club perhaps mentoring the youth.

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27 Dec 2020 14:15:52
I thought pascal did ok today I thought we was well off the pace today but still 3 points mot.

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27 Dec 2020 14:05:29
Man I've aged 20 years after that one. Good to see we're up for a dog fight when needs be.

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27 Dec 2020 14:02:17
However ( a tad) fortuitous it may have been, these massive 3 points

AND a clean sheet, yes a CLEAN SHEET💜

will likely be a BITTER PILL for the likes of Sky Sports, Paul Merson, Gary Lineker, Rio Ferdinand, Robbie Savage, Chris Sutton, Gobby Ablonghor, Stan Collymore and any others to swallow 😃.

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27 Dec 2020 13:56:38
love that. that is a proper BW game

early goal then defend for our lives.

Phillps was great at cb and again for me that could be an answer for him, play back three with him so far back he can't be run in behind or out of position due to their pace. he was great

ailing MOTM for me very smart game and didn't win many headers but made sure he put them off

meliser was great, very commanding in the air at the balls that should of been his

this was a very very hard game for us. one that we should of won and we did. as Bamford just said 1-0 wins are very nice

loved that and will take them wins all day long

only slight moan was Harrison. he is so inconsistent.

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27 Dec 2020 14:08:58
Bw?
Complete 100 % opposite.
Drop goalie.

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27 Dec 2020 14:35:05
I was glad to see Meslier try and come for the ball but missed or part punched far too many.
He got lucky. But he will only get better by trying.
Struijk won lots in the air today. Thought he did well.

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27 Dec 2020 15:13:34
as a goalkeeper I have to support the keepers union.

the keeper has to cover far too much ground and is expected to do too much. a keeper should have to cover 15-20% of the goal on a corner or free kick our keeper has to cover 75% so it is going to be harder for him. it is why all our keepers have suffered on this for so many years

Keeper was immense today doing the job of a keeper and two Cb's in the air.

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27 Dec 2020 15:23:45
Meslier a great shot stopper, but makes me nervous every time he has the ball at his feet. As regards being commanding in the air? wouldn't last 10min on a Gaelic pitch! The one the dropped for possible penalty should be bread and butter!

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27 Dec 2020 16:04:18
Sorry Bm but your wrong about the drppped ball being bread and butter yes it was an easy catch but look how far out it was. it was never his ball to claim but he knew the defermder wasn’t getting it so had to be rash and go for balls that wasn’t his

Agree about poor distribution but why do we keep giving him the ball if he can’t pass?

I think he is as good in the air as any premier keeper just our defence offers little protection making his job far harder than it should be.

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27 Dec 2020 16:59:25
Meslier is as good with his feet as any keeper in the league.
Yes he makes some mistakes but has 3 times the touches of any other keeper.
He is not good in the air. Attempted around 10 punches today and I'd say 1 was a good clearance, rest went around 5-10 yards and into the middle, not the sides.
But he is a kid and is doing OK and will develop into a high level keeper.

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27 Dec 2020 13:56:08
Very, very important win.

HUGE

Well done lads.

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27 Dec 2020 13:52:38
That'll do!, But not did Burnley push us and probably deserved a draw. But 3 points nearer safety!

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27 Dec 2020 12:52:44
Klich looks lacking in confidence, Rodrigo not that great either during the first half. We need another goal to settle the nerves.

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27 Dec 2020 13:53:43
kllich is knackered he has narf done some running this season great player but needs a rest.

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27 Dec 2020 12:51:19
Def a penalty but their goal good too.
Gotta put this one to bed.
Feel a bit nervy.

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27 Dec 2020 11:13:22
No Llorente then. I thought he was supposedly fit.

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27 Dec 2020 11:31:11
Ffs, why is it always us?

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27 Dec 2020 11:50:56
he is fit and would probably play for Spain but he ain't belisa fit. he will be fit for leeds in 2023.

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27 Dec 2020 12:20:17
Still Believe we need an experienced Keeper! Too many mistakes in the Youngster.

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27 Dec 2020 12:49:51
Disagree hookise think our keeper has been great

Also he has too much work today even the mistake he made (which should of been a goal for them) the keeper made the mistake but look at the ground he had to make to get there. that was never a keepers ball but he had to make it because we can’t defend high balls it would make any keeper look poor

I said before keeper have two calls mine and away but our keeper can’t shot away so has to try and make every ball mine today’s mistake was great example of that.

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27 Dec 2020 13:12:27
Anyone with a date on Koch?

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27 Dec 2020 13:46:54
AGAIN! AN EXPERIENCE KEEPER IS NEEDED!

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27 Dec 2020 10:35:34
Think we got this one.
Think Ralph will run them ragged.
3 points for me and I'm thinking 2-0.

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27 Dec 2020 11:11:07
Don't agree. Think we will need to score 3 to get a result. Can't see it happening. Best we can hope for I think is 2-2.

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27 Dec 2020 11:32:39
I am with you hess, this won't be an easy task, they will cause us bother, hopefully bubs has the answer 👍.

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27 Dec 2020 11:52:39
interesting clash of styles. the pretty boy tippy tappy of leeds against the proper old school football ala berm of burnley

we have the better players, we have the better stats. if we don't win, surely questions must be asked?

if we are in a relegation fight this is a 6 pointer and if we are mid table this is a must win. nothing but a win is acceptable.

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27 Dec 2020 09:41:37
Right, that's fat boy Merson on the naughty list forever. He gets paid for the drivel that slavers from his gob. Not content with trashing The Messiah he now says KP has to leave because his role is isolating him, either Bielsa has to leave or the players will get fed up with his gungho ways. Pelt the unbeliever with donuts and other savoury snacks, idiot. Up the Whites and down the pints bruvvers and sisters :)

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27 Dec 2020 11:55:04
love merson and got to say I pretty much agree with what he has said word for word. but then I was already on the naughty list

he is spot on about kp he needs to be supported in his role when it goes right like against everton it is great but it is far to easy to expose his bad potioning and cronic lack of speed

seems me and merson have a few things in common.

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27 Dec 2020 09:05:45
Burnley are the type of team we traditionally struggle against. This, together with our likely makeshift defence means we will do well to come away with a draw.

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Review Of The Day 26th December 2020

27 Dec 2020 07:39:34
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 26th December 2020

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27 Dec 2020 00:15:50
Off topic but Paul merson cracks me up on sky sports kept saying che Evans all game lol doesn't he look at the team sheets.

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