Leeds Banter Archive March 27 2014

27 Mar 2014 23:21:43
On the OS, I know there is a lot of stuff going on at the moment with the takeover administration etc, I do think we should be also putting up a positive and its nice to see how are academy is doing at the moment.

The club's Academy has been named in the country's top 10 for developing young talent.
In the recent audits undertaken by the FA as part of the Elite Player Performance Plan, the club's Academy is the sixth best in the country for producing players who have progressed to first team football.
The club has a proud history for developing young players and of the squad which travelled to Bournemouth on Tuesday, Sam Byram, Alex Mowatt, Tom Lees, Aidy White, and Lewis Walters have all progressed via the club's Academy.
Senior Professional Development Coach Neil Redfearn said: "As Head of Leeds United's Academy, I would like to express my immense pride and congratulate every member of our Academy Staff.
"It is an outstanding achievement and one which will stand our football club in good stead for years to come.
"I would also like to thank and congratulate our manager Brian McDermott for having the foresight and vision to integrate our current crop of young professionals into the fold.
"Our football club has a proud tradition of developing its own players dating back to the great Don Revie and is something that is essential to the DNA of our first team moving forward."

Well done LUFC and Neil Redfearn, producing a lot of good players who hopefully where the shirt with pride.

FAXWHITE

27 Mar 2014 22:56:31
Ed, please put this on banter rather than questions to stimulate debate. Worse Leeds owners? Silver for selling Cantona for a pittance to at the time our arch rival enemy? Unforgiveable! Board reporting to Publicity Pete for chronic overspending? Bates? GFH? Birch and the Prof Mckenzie don't count as they were administrators. I'll go for GFH because they are liars as well as inept. Bates was always going to pinch from us and didn't lie too often. Every day there is a new lie with the Bahrainis. They couldn't score in a brothel just to cap off their abilities. Worst manager is no debate. He's the manager right now.

I'd forgotten McKenzie. Thanks for reminding me. Or possibly not .

No coincidence that apart from worst owners and manager we have the worst midfield in living memory.

28 Mar 2014 06:20:18
Gewald kwasner?

27 Mar 2014 19:42:40
If we are forced into administration. I wonder if we could take the FL to the high court? Claiming it was there fault that we are in this predicament? Food for thought does any one think? Especially the Leeds board. Or will they have considered this allready . And cellino has mentioned it to the FL in his appeal papers? Worth thinking about anyway. Especially if we do go into admin. And the wilderbeests deduct us points
Bob.Wakefield

27 Mar 2014 18:08:40
Failing to sell Ross looks a little silly now. We have not learned from our mistakes. GFH were devoid of intellect when they started taking orders from Cellino before FL gave their approval. 8.5 million could have funded several months pay. Was a safety net opportunity they scuppered. Grant you that we would have had less points and be fearful of relegation but I'd rather need 3 points on last day of season than to find 2 million pound in 72 hours otherwise admin. GFH and McD blind leading blind. I can do better job.

Ken, just stay off this site, your now welcome. btw hows yorkshire radio doing!

If we had have sold Ross, I doubt very much that the profit would have been used to fund wages or asset the team in anyway.

And we would in all likely hood be bottom of the league if we had sold him, his goals have bagged us 24 of our points this year

A replacement may have got a few goals too but judging by the success of BMDs other signings, I don't think it would have been too many

If we'd have sold ross we would on the way down to league one

27 Mar 2014 16:31:54
Clear that flowers was wrong man for Leeds. Come out that he asked Bates to join his consortium with a 1.5 million investment. Flowers knows what we think of bates so good riddance to flowers and Haigh the liar.

In light of the above, makes me wonder just who & what were the real reason for Flowers WUP was it to force Admin so his mate Bates could enter the fray? & also now that Flowers is indirectly linked to the TL bid is KWB indirectly linked also?

A right pit of snakes is this!

Absolutely the whole thing STINKS!!

27 Mar 2014 16:17:13
You want him. no you don't. you want him. Peltier is finally going to Forest, just a thought though, you need a manager too don't you, please take ours!

Do you and all the anti-McDermott crowd on here really believe that any manager would have been able to do a good job with all the cr@p going on behind the scenes?

And please don't tell me it shouldn't matter and they should be playing for the shirt and the rest of it. They're professionals not fans and anyone, in any job, would not be able to perform properly with distractions such as 'am I going to be able to pay my mortgage?' going through their minds. Championship footballers are not so well paid that they don't have to think about money, especially the younger ones.

I don't believe any manager would have done a better job in the circumstances. That's not to say I think BMcD gets it right all the time. Sometimes the tactics and selections are baffling but I really don't think changing the manager will change anything on the pitch with things as they are. Anyone who things otherwise is being naive and blinkered in my opinion.

We've done it twice in a couple of years and like I said to all the anti-Grayson people on here when they were calling for him to be sacked, be careful what you wish for. Changing the manager again will achieve nothing. In any case, who would want the job? Really, who?

That is just an opinion mate, my point on BM is that he doesn't get the most out of what he has or plays people in their positions for gods sake.

We are not good enough for top 6 granted but are you really telling me that playing Hunt as a winger, or not reacting to what is happening on pitch by not using subs that often and getting beat 6-0, 5-2, 4-2, 4-1 on a regular basis that no other manager could do better? Just play players in their natural positions, strengthen the midfield, don't keep going back to the likes of hunt, pugh, brown, stewart who just are poor, try quicker youngsters that we have, ain't rocket science.
DG

I think you're missing the point. The players, whoever they are and wherever they're playing, are clearly not focused on playing football.

I think the comments on playing out of position are pretty irrelevant. Anyone who's played football at even a decent amateur level knows that most players are adaptable and can play 2 or 3 positions.

Like I said, some of his decisions are baffling but we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Is he being forced into playing hunt wide because the natural wide players are not in the right frame of mind? Let's face it, ER is not an easy place to have a bad run of form and some of our fans can be pretty vile towards our own players quite honestly. I've felt compelled to give some of our 'fans' an earful when they've been 'supporting' our team of late.

I've been watching players who are scared and lacking in confidence and I don't think the manager, any manager, has the power to overcome what the players are going through at the minute. We should also remember that the manager himself has been disgracefully treated and he's probably spent more time worrying about his job than the team and who can blame him?

Changing the manager right now will achieve no more than sacking Grayson achieved. Absolutely nothing. I understand why some people think differently and I respect that but I think they're wrong and they'll be very disappointed if and when it happens.

I go to most games, we have been playing the worst football I have seen for a long time, absolute clueless tactically, that's if you can fathom out what formation/ system he has instructed the team to play, Can't defend, can't pass, can't even do the basics, in fact the best performance I've seen this season he wasn't in the dugout.

I agree changing BMD won't make a blind bit of difference. The club, from top to bottom, is in a total mess. And those who say play youngsters havnt got a clue. We want to shoot down their confidence as well? At such a young age a player needs to be handled carefully and put in the team gradually and not when all this mess is going on. We just have to pray we get out of this mess fast. MOT.

"I go to most games." You say it like you think it makes your opinion more important. I go to all games and have been to most games since 1970. So what? It doesn't make my opinion any more valid either.

Yes the football is awful, but do you really think that what's going on off the pitch has no bearing on that? Of course it does.

The manager is proven at this level. Some of the players are very good footballers at this level too. It's the club, and to some extend the boo boys in the crowd, that's the problem.

Changing the manager will not solve this club's problems and the last poster is right; throwing a bunch of kids in at the deep end will probably destroy their careers.

Good Post. I agree I think some people believe that a new manager will come in and wave a magic wand it ain't going to happen, no matter who came in the situation is the same!

27 Mar 2014 15:30:01
I'm totally gutted.
We are in admin on Monday.
The club are in trouble today and I'm working hard with many friends to stop the rot.
Leeds Utd needs to be well run by Leeds people who actually love this wonderful football club.
We owe it to people like Don Revie and his boys who made us great.
I will die before I give up on Leeds United.
Jeff

Thought you were a big Cellino fan? He's not exactly a Leeds person is he. You could be right about going into admin but I don't think that really needs any inside info.

Can you clarify ed13 please. if we do go into admin on monday does that mean it will be a points deduction next season and will be more than 10 points like last time

Jeff I've had enough of your scare mongering. I'm not being rude and don't have anything against you, and also respect that this is a rumours site. However I'm fed up of reading comment after comment which you make that has no truth or reflects reality.

You know nothing more than me or any other fan, yet make out that what you say us gosbal.

Rather than spreading negative thoughts and making other leeds fans feel depressed and down, try to be more reserved and consider other outcomes.

Administration is always a threat to any profit making organisation, but look at the facts, GFH would rather pay a few million to cover running costs to desolve an asset which they are tying to sell 75% of for 25m.

Keep the faith and keep united. If worst comes to worst now or at any point in the future, we still have each other as fans, and will always March On Togeather!

Optimistic Danny

I am a Cellino fan but he's been rejected.
Don't you read the news.
We must all band together and save our club.
I've spent all day on this and I won't be beaten.
Jeff

27 Mar 2014 18:39:04
All day doing what? Can you expand please.

{Ed013's Note - Apologies J.Paxman, I wasn't aware there was a post waiting for me. The answer to your question above is that if admin is called on Monday then next season there will be a points deduction.

I don't know this for sure, but I would be very surprised if GFH put the Club into admin as it would affect their main business and lose a massive amount of trust/credibility in the business world}

No probs ed13. I am aware that the rules were changed(because of bates) so that you can't go into admin at the end of the season knowing that you are safe with a 10 points deduction, but will be punished the following season with a bigger punishment

If Jeff/Survivor knows Administration is coming Monday then Cellino knows as well.
Therefore rather than rush to take Club over he could wait until goes into Admin and get much cheaper if he can win appeal. He couldn't be forced to honour existing agreement if Club in Admin.
Why lodge appeal now rather than next week after go into Admin.
Don't think Admin will happen!

28 Mar 2014 06:27:18
As you say cellino would be better off if he won his appeal he would get club cheaper out of administration however if as most people expect he loses the appeal he would also lose all the money he has loaned Gfh if we went into administration

27 Mar 2014 15:10:55
Sports mail understands that at least one group is circling to take over with Haigh busy trying to broker a new deal in the background. Cellino has declared that Leeds need 'help, blood and money in hours not days.' If the wages are not paid by 5 o clock today administration and a points deduction beckon. Come on come on :(

Are you right about this. Why do the wages have to be paid by today at 5 pm. Not all football clubs will pay wages on the same day. With my work I used to get paid the last Friday in the month. Now it is the very last day of the month. The FL cannot dictate when a club must pay the wages of players as long as they are paid in the month.

{Ed013's Note - The Cub has to avoid administration today}

Haigh cannot do a deal with anyone else whilst Cellinio appeals bear in mind he had signed a deal to buy 75% of the club.

27 Mar 2014 11:32:02
Just heard a rumour (plenty of them flying about) if the players do not get paid by Monday there is a ten point reduction I hope this is not true perhaps ED will clarify this

{Ed013's Note - They have until 5pm today to avoid a points deduction this season}

I'm not suggesting for a minute that the wages won't be paid to all staff but why are you so sure that we lose points if they go in 5 mins late.
Ed13 I know you must have checked this thoroughly but it doesn't make sense.
What if the bank has a computer problem as has happened many times before are you suggesting that loads of clubs would lose points?
Help me out on this one please.
Jeff

{Ed013's Note - The deadline for loss of points is this afternoon. Anything after that will be given next season, so if Leeds go into admin, then next season will start with a minimum of a 10 point deduction}

The points deducation doesn't have anything to do with wages. We could miss the wage payment and still be ok providing its paid very quickly.

The points deducation is only if we go into administration. We have until 5pm to do that today. It won't happen

Crmd

Glad you cleared that up. I thought ed13 meant we were going to get a points deduction this season. I am right in thinking the wages are due tomorrow so if that is the case we are safe from a points deduction this season

27 Mar 2014 15:38:38
Would it be possible to use that 50 million raised by sport relief to feed Noel hunt next month if he doesn't get paid?

Ed, Can you confirm that what you are saying is that as long as we don't go into admin by 5.00pm today = no points deduction this season.

but after this cut off point admin = 10 pts deduction nect season?

{Ed013's Note - Correct mate}

Ed013, please confirm that your comment about points deduction does relate to going into Administration and not for late payment of wages.
Strictly speaking the wages aren't due until tomorrow or Monday so won't be unpaid at 5pm as they aren't due to be paid before then.
I hope this is the case as we don't need a points deduction to drag us closer to relegation battle!

{Ed013's Note - Administration mate. The PFA will deal with un-paid wages}

27 Mar 2014 09:31:02
May be someone will know the answer to this question. As a business ( a badly run one at the moment) and could go into administration plus not paying players wages legally how does the football league stand when they have stopped a take over. Also can't the players union get involved because they are there to protect their members. I can see this situation causing problems with the football league because the man may be guilty of a tax charge (unproven by Italian law because of the appeal) but he does have the funds to run a football club. Also who at the fl will be looking at the appeal, just remember last time when nearly all of them voted against us so it hardly seems a fair system.

The football league in my view nay be breaching company law rules. If mr cellino is not disqualified as a director or shareholder in another eu member state(Italy) how can be automatically disqualified in England. Secondly company law states that an appeal on a court conviction puts a stay on disqualification. A director normally become disqualified if a company goes into liquidation owing loads of money to the creditors. In this case mr Cellinio's funds are keeping the club alive. The football league should be challenged. It's their procrastination which has the club in the current predicament. James

The Football League isn't bound by company legislation. It is in and of itself the legislative body and all previous attempts that I can recall to challenge its authority have failed; our battle over the 15 point deduction being a case in point.

There are a lot of people whining about the FL and how we should challenge them on here. There really is no point. Cellino failed the test and I can't see him winning the appeal.

It's time for fans and, most importantly GFH to accept it move on. GFH need to stop pinning their hopes on the miracle of a reversed decision and start to look elsewhere. The longer they hold on to the Cellino dream the more likely we are to go into administration.

This above post must be the only person on this site with some sence tjank god getting bored woth all tje legal experts on jere that don't understand the fl not really answerable to anybody

27 Mar 2014 08:38:01
It was only a few weeks ago that GFH advised that they would continue funding the club until a majority stake in the club is sold.

David Haigh then advised that there is no way Leeds would go into administration.

It seems GFH were relying on Cellino funding the club for a period of 6 months however now the FL has refused the deal Cellino has stopped funding the club. And why wouldn't he? can't blame him.

What I can not understand is why the hell would GFH expect anyone to continue to fund the club when their deal to purchase Leeds has been thrown out. GFH don't have a pot to piss in. I fear the worst!

Also I recall Bates saying he is leaving the club in good hands. Didn't he say there had been a number of bids for Leeds but he opted fro GFH as they could take Leeds forward. Yeah right! Bates lined his pockets and GFN are taking us to League One.

GFH do not have a Leeds pot to wee in but are spending millions buying property in London and other places.

This is what Salem Patel, head of investments at GFH Capital, said: "We believe the prime central London residential real estate market will continue to perform strongly. However, we also see value and upside potential in other real estate markets such as the US and we expect to make additional investments in these markets as well."

GFH Capital has undertaken and structured investments of more than $3 billion in over 40 companies and across 25 countries.

This must have been the funds they showed to pass the FPP test to get the club but they are not putting any into the club.
ED is it true they are taking the loans out as Leeds United thus all the debt? why go to people like KB wife if its true.They have money? or has Leeds United been used for them to get a foothold in the UK.

{Ed013's Note - I believe there is some truth and sense in what you are saying}

27 Mar 2014 06:39:06
Papa Smurf to buy us again? Haigh blatantly caught lying! If you can't afford wages. no money to fire McD who is clueless, Cellino appeal useless. This is divine payback from Majestic nightclub incident. Club never recovered after that because city of Leeds never repented. League One in August?

27 Mar 2014 02:25:41
We are just a joke, laughing stock! In fact I actually think people are starting to feel sorry for us

26 Mar 2014 21:37:57
Ed, can we remind fans who haven't already done so to sign the petition to submit to the FL.

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/dean-grice-allow-cellino-to-take-over-leeds-united

Wow 442 signatures out of how big a fan base! Our fans are really desparate to get Cellino in, not. Either they realise we the fans have no say in the matter or more probable that a lot of fans don't want him

26 Mar 2014 23:20:24
Anybody watch the Liverpool v Sunderland game tonight?

Seriously couldn't believe Wickham just stood in the middle of the pitch for most of the game doing nothing constructive. Poyet took him off in the second half and his replacement scored a goal, almost got another and turned the game around. Should have been on from the start in my opinion.

Think we are better off without him, he obviously has his own itinerary.

I am also beginning to wonder about Butland, surely this is no coincidence.?

Leeds4alongtime

Watch the games before running your mouth about players, butland has been quality

Butland has been no better than Kenny, been to all the home games