Leeds Banter Archive October 27 2014

27 Oct 2014 22:43:43
I am more optimistic than I have been for ages.
Redders knows MC, the players, the expectations etc. He ain't daft.He hasn't gone into this blindly. He really wants the job. The players like & respect him. The fans want him. Onwards & upwards hopefully.

Agree. And let's not put any extra pressure on him by expecting a win every game - it's going to him plenty of time too

Lets be honest. We have a team capable of play offs. Maybe one lightning quick player in jan windows and we are done. First two were no idea joes but a good semi decent coach should get this team in the mix. Most of the signings have been good and know how to play. No pressure on redders to win everygame but mc c is right. We should be up there! This is an easy league to get out of this year! let's have a bit of positivity from players and coach for once.

Agree good squad good coach no team wins every week but we are going the right way

Liking the way Redders is approaching this. He knows what he wants, no indecision or faffing about. We are on the cusp of something very good, believe people, its going to happen

27 Oct 2014 21:51:26
Going to the Cardiff Leeds game on the weekend but sitting in the Cardiff end, hope my misses can keep me under control after a few beers haha, I predict a 2-0 win for Leeds and end this run Cardiff has had over us, and seeing redfearn with a big smile on his face, maybe then he will get the credit he deserves, M.o.t, in redfearn we TRUST

{Ed003's Note - have a good time -sit on your hands and keep your gob shut lol.}

28 Oct 2014 07:16:34
Five of us went to a southampton game once, 3 leeds fans, 1 southampton and 1 randome Manchester United fan ( he is from Manchester!). We sat in Southampton end as the lad managed to get us tickets, 3-0 down at half time and still we heard the leeds faithful singing over the Southampton fans! The other two leeds lads wanted to leave due to the soured taste of the beer and the fact our Southampton buddy was smiling like a Cheshire cat! Anyway he was the one who left early as we went on to win 3-4! Went home with the last laugh and very numb hands - vowed never to do it again great come back but it's just not got the same atmosphere when u have to pretend to be mute- fitted in with Southampton lot though - it was like sitting in a morgue!

My funniest was going to the palace leeds cup game, we just brought martyn. We was about five minutes late and scored in about the 8th me and my step dad cheered to find out we was in the home stand (my mates dad is coach at palace and got us tickets) they started chanting sit down before we beat you up (go west) then later martyn saved a penatly lucky they scored the rebound as think we were in toruble!

Newport

Im in the Cardiff end as well you won't be alone lol
Been to Ninian park but never to the new Cardiff stadium looking forward to it come on leeds ;)

I remember that day like it was yesterday. I had soccer Saturday on and we were 3-0 down at HT and I was shell shocked. i'd given up on the game and I layed on the living room floor doing homework and I just said to the tv screen, "just let us score 1" moments later we did and I thought well that's a bit better. Then 5 minutes later we scored again and I left my homework alone as I had a gut feeling we'd get another. We did and I went berserk. By the time i'd calmed down we scored a 4th and I just lost the plot :)

Best comeback ever imo

That's funny bermonsey haha

Peacock , my old man went to that game , he said best game he has seen , and his mate slept all the way through the match , drunk as a skunk lol , Ed03 I went to leeds and Cardiff at cardiffs ground in the home end a season or two ago when Austin scored that 35 yard free kick , I went mental , everyone was looking at me like I was crazy and got out in one piece , but stuff em we are leeds M.o.t

{Ed003's Note - good luck lol.}

At the end of the day, you shd be able to sit in the home end as an away fan and have a day out. So long as you don't wind up anyone you should be left alone. i'd happily give someone stick during a game but I wouldn't lynch them for being a fan of the opposition

29 Oct 2014 21:59:20
At more than one point I let out some emotion and there were stewards looking for who it was although - thinking about it - they might have been looking for an emotive Southampton fan - clearly not used to any noise coming out of the crowd! Lol

27 Oct 2014 21:33:19
Yes I'm a Sheff Weds fan but I was out in Leeds with my work colleagues at the weekend and a lot of them support Leeds and they are getting a little bit disallusioned by Cellino. The main thing they all agreed on was that 32 days is not long enough to get to know a new team and league. Yes I agree with some of the other posts that you shouldn't stick with a manager too long if he isn't getting results, Manderic made that mistake last year with Jones, but you need to give them some time to settle. Also the other thing my friends were concerned about is how much Leeds may end up paying in compensation to other teams if we take there manager and also how much compensation they are paying to the sacked guys and how this affects the transfer kitty

27 Oct 2014 19:04:20
MC admits to making a second error with Darko. I think he has just made another one. Hope I am wrong.

27 Oct 2014 16:44:56
As I see it the simple answer for results to improve is to drop Pearce!! He is totally out his depth!!

27 Oct 2014 19:44:40
totaly agree kjc time to give cooper his chance bellusci to be captain

27 Oct 2014 20:05:55
Agree been saying it since we bought Cooper, Pearce not good enough and we need to find out how good Cooper is , Del Fabro will be coming through soon as well

Called for Bellusci as captain ages ago. want to see Cooper given a shot too, and think Redders will give Sam a run now to see if he's got his mojo back

Credit to Speedy he has been calling for bellusci as captain for long while looks like he might have a point

27 Oct 2014 12:47:39
Its the old quandary.
Would you prefer to watch your team win 1-0 every week playing negative defencefull hoofball or be beaten every week 5-4 playing bright attractive passing football.
Give me the former; of course we all want the victory of the first with the skill of the second but your posh house is no good without taking time with the foundations and finding the best builder you can.
Maybe we firstly need a defence coach Someone tasked with tightening up at the back, to put in some shape, some coordination, but always with an eye to quickly playing forward.
Maybe we should get Lucas (or even George Graham) to come in and sort the defence out. I am sure there must be 100s of ex defenders looking for work.
If the opposition don't score you cannot lose, an old adage I know but you cannot argue. The potential is there, as it is all around the team, to put in some small changes and success will follow.

We are not that far way. Keep Believing.

Agree %100 and been saying this for last few days. Lucas is a great call as is GG if he would be happy to work under redfern which he just might be as he has been out of work for years. great post I grew up in the times of borning boring arsenal but also remember them being champions, boring boring winning leeds over the pretities losers in the championship. Agree mate can not believe some people seem to disagree

And if either one of you watched modern day football the days of boring boring Arsenal and the tactics of hoof ball and Pulis are thank god a thing of the past. I am shocked at you BW wanting to play boring football and hoof ball. Were you not one of the biggest and most vocal complainers at our style of play last season? Seems you have a short memory or very selective at best.

Spain you mention us not watching modern football yet you say the days of Pulis are a thing of the past. Can I point out he is the current manager of the year hardly a thing of the past he is the manager that the pros rate the best in England at the moment that is fact and not up for debate of any kind. Not sure why you are shocked I have always been massive fans of Wilko, pulis and Alladyce if you can find any comments of me slagging long ball I would like to read them. I use to get frustrated at long balls with no one up front and being direct with no one to hold ball up because it means surrending posession but I have always thought direct is the best way to play football unless blessed with four great world class players even then city's still get beat by west hams or leeds get beat by rotherhams.

27 Oct 2014 10:30:50
Was curious to see when we last beat cardiff in the league.
1983 - 84
If we can go there and get a win what a great start to NRs tenure that would be, imo.
MOT.

He'll get lucky again and scrape an undeserved 1-0 win. We need a real manager

Smitch
I know we've been far from great, and have had a bit of luck, mainly when Redders was at the helm. But I think we've had more luck go against us - and I'd settle for a few lucky 1-0 wins at the moment

Which man with any kind of "pedigree" will want the job smitchell8?
Cellino is to trigger happy imo and not only that I doubt any "real manager" would get past the 1st interview. Cellino needs a yes man to a degree and pulis and whoever else would be unable to accept that!
Anyhow I thought the 1st man should have been given til bonfire night. But ve come to accept i'm behind the times with how long a manager should get.
Hire em fire em that's cellinos way but we do need a win I mean if the 1st man was still in charge we would be at the bottom and without redfearn wins cast adrift! Maybe?
MOT

I would of liked to set the 1st man alight on bonfire night! think it is a modern way of any business with hire and fire if results do not come not just football. although football might just be the craziest of the lot. I think redders might be the right man at the right time he did well for four games and his points alone mean we are not already half religated as his ppg where promotion stats. also i'd dance around the room with a lucky 1-0 scrapped win. I know millwall got that and there fans are very happy and that 1-0 win put them above us I think. Redders might be a real manager and any win is music to my ears

Hardly agree Redders was lucky Smitch. Maybe he rode it in the Bolton game, but performances improved culminating in the Huddersfield match during which it is widely agreed that was the best 90 minutes performance by a Leeds side for a long while

Vid
Definitely true about the udders game. Best I've seen in many a year

27 Oct 2014 08:21:12
Response to debate lower down, hoofball versus football. One Revies team did not play hoofball, they were a joy to watch and the amount of passes they put together in a game was legendary. Wilko was a lot of hoofball because he had Chapman up front. The point that you all seem to miss is both teams had a solid defence, players were assured that if they lost the ball they could trust defence to mop up or midfielders who would get back and tackle. Our defence I am sad to say is not good enough not enough pace too many hurried clearances and players out of position. Have said for ages you need someone who can pass the ball out of defence, we bought Cooper for this but leave him on the bench and play Pearce who I agree has done his best for us but has been a stand out player because the rest of the team for five years have been crap. I think its time to be moving forward, Same with Warnock he was good but with no competition for his position I think a lot games he just puts in a shift. When Massimo took over I called for a clean sweep but unfortunately we still have players on the books who, without McCormaks goals would have got us relegated last season. When I see Murphy, Morrison, Tonge on the team sheet I question that coaches mentality we are either going forward or we just carry on making the same old mistakes MOT

27 Oct 2014 09:27:58
I don't think the point of the debate was hoofball v football. Football would of course always win. I remember Revie's team very well. While they were often a joy to watch they could also win ugly dirty leeds as it were. They could mix it up and be very direct. Mr Wilkinson's team were also often good to watch but very direct. I think the point is managers like Wilkinson, Pulis and Alladyce make teams over perform at the expense of style. Hoofball v football football wins. Over achieving (which for leeds would be promotion) v football and finishing 10th a more direct style would win for me. Of course direct football holds no promises but this debate is about what would you prefer if the choice was that simple. Also the debate is about how great these managers are for the simple reason they get average teams to play well and their team constantly do far better than perhaps they should. Wilkinson's team tried to become more of a footballing brand after the won the championship and never again found their dizzy heights. Of course we would all love to play like one of the true greats but we have no Messi our squad at the moment is more on par with Palace and West Ham, so should we perhaps try and replicate their style in order to over perform? DM's Leeds team played nice stuff but was let's be honest useless

Good point, any good team is built on defence as Wilko, Revie, Aldice, pulis as I have said before. I wish I did not start this now to be honest. All I was trying to say is I put results over style if you can not have both and both cost too much money for leeds at the moment. I would love Pulis at leeds as I think only a fool can argue with his results with players at his disposal. I know hammers were calling for Aladice's head which shows how stupid people from Essex are west ham were a state with injuries last year and if not for big sam they would of gone down. I'd love leeds to play like barac but if that is not possilbe I'd love for leeds to win the most games they could and have the best chance of promotion as possilbe if that is being direct so be it. Hoofball for three points better than pretty for 0 points. Of course I am not saying hoofball is grantee for points but I think it seems the best way to overachieve

27 Oct 2014 11:27:52
Style will not win this division graft and attacking play wins it. As long as you score more goals than your opponent all well and good. This is a league where anyone can beat anyone because there are no great defenders and most clubs rely on their front line scoring goals, if you are in the oppositions half they don't score, we need to keep ball in their half, that's why Milanic went he got one goal and thought he could keep it at that, you cant. you need to keep the pressure on. When you get to the premier and europe then you need to play with flair and can have more space to play pretty football. This league when you get 4-0 up then play pretty but they need to put the shift in first. Simples get the ball forward quick, pressure their back four and midfield we have not been doing that and the shame is we have the players to do it

27 Oct 2014 11:37:36
Allardyce and Pullis top managers worked miracles with the teams they have had, Would have either of them at Leeds, managers play a style that suits the players they have, if they had Messi Ronaldo Costa don't think they would be playing hoofball

Thank you BIGE I was starting to think I was losing my mind, this is the point I was trying to make and glad a few agree with me 100% agree with everything you say

BIGE
Not starting an argument but if you was given £25 million to spend on players would you buy Andy Carroll @ £25 mill
Or Sturbridge-Wellbeck @ £25 mill??

Carroll has been very unlucky with injuries but has shown he is big hard good in the air and very good with his feet and can score from distance was starting to establish himself in england team. that said I wouldn't spend 25 mill on him but then top class forwards would not go west ham due to low status so Sam don't have the full window to shop from. Sako looks amazing buy and has done my fantasy football team brilliantly, song also was great call

27 Oct 2014 06:27:11
Cork
Get ya point mate. Darko prob bit mis treated. But
He had 6 games. that's 6 x 90 minutes to learn something! All he had to do was win one and his lifeline would have been extended. Just one! He had a damn good opportunity to win at least 2 but managed to clutch a defeat from the jaws of victory. He never learnt from his mistakes!
Having said that
Think mc c needs to back off from sticking his oar in. Fair enough buy players but team selection and strategy is coaches job!
Think redders will do job for a while. If he fails mcc will just put back to academy. The mans not daft. He won't just sack him altogether!

According to Milanic, he hasn't been sacked, he's been put on gardening leave, an he expects to be back sometime, anythings possible with Cellino I suppose, if Redders fails to halt the slide could this sour his relationship with Cellino?, IMO might be better to leave Redders where he is and get the best manager/coach money can buy, there's quite a few very good managers out of work, such as Pulis, Malky, even Hoddle, having said that some players are stating what a good coach Milanic is, his team selection, tactics, and substitutions have been baffling at times, wish all the best to whoever gets the job.

Agree rhino I always try and keep in mind when player support current coach it is not often they will slate coach or say what they feel. Players saying Darko is good coach is standard even if we was poor. Apprently a few even stuck up for the Hock and any fool can see just how poor he was.