Leeds Banter Archive September 28 2013

28 Sep 2013 23:05:51
and here comes the fickle fans from under their rocks which weren't there at the start of the season that lash straight out at the owners of the club, i'm sure theyd rather have Bates the way they're talking, it takes time to rebuild after Bates, some fans need to learn the world PATIENCE after Bates, yes we've waited a while, but things will come good!

MOT!

Funny how fans are only fickle when we lose. McD needs to sort it fast.

Fans are entitled to lose patience after 4 defeats in a row, and no they wouldn't rather have bates back, just don't think they've a lot of faith in gfh either, MOT!

29 Sep 2013 10:54:58
It doesn't take time to rebuild it takes money.

Hardly fickle, if you can be happy losing four in a row then you clearly have no ambition for leeds united, all the fans are saying is that it is clear what we need and bmc and the board need to show just a little ambition! This is hardly asking the world and is no different to what any championship/league one club is spending. The Mule

Fickle. Don't think so.i haven't missed many games this season and the games we have won weren't very convincing. Its a poor squad lacking leadership and talent. McDermott is no Sargaent Wilko that's for sure. He had all summer to address what the FANS have known since GRADEL/BECKFORD BECCHIO departed, We don't have flair or a Striker . Smith. Hunt. Varney. are nowhere near as good.

28 Sep 2013 22:04:40
It's not about spending money it's about attitude, look at Burnley, Millwall are their squads so great or are they just more up for it, none our squad apart from the ones that come through the academy / Youngsters will ever play for a bigger club so have nothing to aim for. Fed up of not turning up in derby games and games against rivals year after year, it's down to wanting it.

You have a point! Take Vokes at Burnley, what did he do here? That said there are many things not right in my opinion - Lack of confidence, lack of investment, constant rumours of where the club is heading, and expectation! Do the clubs you mention have overriding expectation of success which must have some influence on the players, management etc - that said there does seem to be a lack of passion and pride

No you're wrong football is about money

28 Sep 2013 21:10:20
Feel so sorry for BMD the saying "you can't polish a turd" has never been so true. It's millwall for f*ck sake. Goal shy is an absolute understatement. I know you will all start bitching when I say their names but at least Becciho and Beckford knew where the f*cking goal was.

I agree and they were good together.

You can sprinkle glitter on it though :-)

As Leeds fans we will just have to stick with it because, you can't take the Leeds out of the fan

28 Sep 2013 20:45:04
Luccianoh, Luccianoh, cost less than berbatov and he scores more goals!

Luccianoh luccianoh cost less than Berbatov and plays for Narwich reserves. Let him rot there.

29 Sep 2013 14:13:26
Let him rot there?
So we don't want a proven goal scorer at this level who loves the club, and never really wanted to leave?

28 Sep 2013 20:30:59
We have been fed S*** by the ton, it's been an unconfirmed FACT (contradiction in itself) that G.F.H. don't have a carrot to spend.
Where's the one 'nearly over the line' from last week?
Rumors start when we are on a poor run, the favorite seems to be of a Takeovers by Rich Arabs or players coming in soon.
I believe this type of rumor by G.F.H. keeps the masses happy till we get a win? then we're back on track etc.
Brian is just another one on a long list of suckers who have had their fair share of the S**t sandwich look at his face during games 'totally bemused' he knows what he needs but G.F.H. are totally useless, they know nothing about running a Football club and seem to know less about making money. Come on G.F.H. flip now make a quick profit and leave the Football to people who are not just focused on profit. The millions you crave are a million miles away without investment. GO NOW PLEASE and let Brian do his job.

Would you rather have Bates? shut up moaning about the pi**ing owners

29 Sep 2013 14:23:10
And the truth is that while bates didn't move the club forward, all our suffering for the last decade was caused by one man: the criminal Ridsdale.

28 Sep 2013 20:12:49
A tip for the next training session. The goal is the one with the posts and the big netty thing in between!

LOL. Like that one, scary thing is it actually might help them!

Quality post

28 Sep 2013 21:45:01
Bit advanced there mate! let's start with the ball is the white round thing and your foot is the bit at the end of your leg(bottom end)! {Ed013's Note - How about start with lacing up their football boots, or maybe they are still in Velcro ;-)

Brian has just called to thank me for my training suggestion. The barn door has now been dispensed with so watch the goals flood in against Bournemouth!

28 Sep 2013 20:08:52
BMD said to Ross after the Newcastle game "these fans deserve something". Shame that the something is to serve up a spineless performance.

28 Sep 2013 19:43:01
I think it's the s*** away kit that does it.

28 Sep 2013 18:39:36
How long will we be paying back Ticketus for with our season ticket revenue?
I am disappointed in GFH but the legacy of bates crazy ideas live on.
One more thing, to the people who slag off Becchio when we don't really know the facts of whether he was pushed etc, can you remember the amount of times he would rescue us?
I'm not saying he should come back or anything, however I don't feel we have anyone who can dig us out of a hole anymore.

28 Sep 2013 18:33:41
Doncaster sign Macheda and he gets 3 in 2. How come we cannot sign players like that and Donny can. We are supposed to be a big club.

How do you define 'big club?' The fact that we have had a couple of fleeting successful periods in the past and we get a bigger crowd than most in our division doesn't really count for much. I hate to say this, but this 'big club' stuff is delusional and is a major part of the problem. The past is the past and fans need to get real.

We are not a big club. We are a mid-table second division club. Our ground is often not much more than half-full. We don't own our ground or our training facilities. We are just about breaking even financially but that often necessitates selling our better players.

And before anyone bothers with the 'not a real fan stuff', I'm a season ticket holder going since 1970. I am a real fan; I'm also a realist. A few more of those amongst the fans and a bit less pressure on the players and manager would probably be a good thing.

We have the best away support in england, by far the loudest as commented by almost every set of undilousunal teams we go to, we always get managers prepared to leave better teams to join a bigger club, were on of five teams in England to have over 1 million fans in England and were on sky all the time more so than most premier league teams

To post below Shed lad (18.33:41), I totally agree with what you say about less pressure on players and manager.
If we are honest with ourselves we know this just leads to more poor individual performances on a match day because players are fearful of making errors and having the fans on their backs.

Aye it's frustrating and it hurts that were having a right rubbish run at the minute. We have to try and stay positive and support the team, and the manager IMO.
We knew it wasn't going to be all win win win a with pats on the back after every game, it's a difficult league, we have not acted when opportunity has presented in transfer or loan market. This is GFH at fault not the manager, our front line will score if the supply is good enough and that has to come from good midfield and wingers. This what you already know!
GFH have stated the money is there if BMcD wants it to strengthen the team. several possibilities here;
- There is no money
- If there is money as GFH state, why was it not made available in last transfer window
- is BMcD being to picky about wanting a specific player
- GFH are willing to let BMcD be their fall guy for lack of investment in the squad
- Were GFH and BM hoping we would have a very strong start meaning we could get through to Jan transfer window and that's why lack of incoming players?

Anyhow I think we need to be a bit more patient with BM and current crop, Rome not being build in a day and so on!
Just my thoughts, another very very passionate and frustrated LUFC fan sharing with the MANY thousands of others!

LUFC Always MOT

28 Sep 2013 18:02:58
Have said this from the start that the players BMD has brought in have not made the team stronger probably the opposite. Murphy may be ok in the future but so will Dawson and Mowatt. Murphy certainly does not look a million pound player. If he hadn't have scored the winner against Brighton (and it was handball) he will have done nothing of note. Hunt plays like many fans suspected he would (Reading discard) and Smith is not ready yet. McCormack is not a reliable goal scorer wherever he plays look at his record. Scores a few then famine for months Don't know where the fault lies but the manager has to be judged on the players he brings in and results. He said if new players are not going to make the team better don't sign them but he has done exactly that. I don't think Norris, Green and even Brown would have done worse. Look at the end of last season. Diouff is a bench warmer when he is our only real creative player (OK he lacks pace). Varney has done better than expected but not a regular goal scorer. Best case scenario mid table finish and building next year. Worst case scenario switching divisions with Bradford!

I think murphy is a good player but was definitely a signing we could not afford due to our clear need for winger. The 1 million + wages could have gone on chris Burke and a good loan signing. Brian has most certainly not taken advantage of the free agent market, turns down bentley a player who would be second to none in the championship but then signs hunt and smith. For both their wages we could have signed james Vaughan or johnny Russell, marvin sordell or any other bargain player. Wooton may be good but Matthew upson or Titus bramble or anton Ferdinand on a free transfer. I also think brian should have "wheeled and sealed a bit" by selling two or even 3 players like white, hall, tonge, Norris etc then bring in a top quality player for 1 million plus

Leroy lita would be a good signing his goal to game ratio has always been good

Ebanks blake surely he has to be worth a punt has won golden boot twice in the championship aswell and still only 27

28 Sep 2013 17:50:07
I still believe and have faith in McD & GFH to sort things out.
As I've said before a few times, Rome wasn't built in a day. All fans have 1 or 2 gripes with their clubs managers and board. It ain't going to be a quick fix. Together McD & GFH will sort things out. Not this season but next season at the earliest we'll be aiming for top 6.
MOT

Yeah yeah, be patient. We have being patient for 10 year now waiting for anything and it's the same old story. We have some decent players don't get me wrong but none of which are performing to the level they should be. Why is it we can not seem to get results against anybody. Underperformance is the main part of our failures since 2000 what is wrong with the motivation with these lads!

Not so sure we've under performed all that time. Grayson's 7th place finish with a lower division team was a massive overachievement which many on here simply failed to recognise. The criticisms of him were usually followed by all the 'it's not good enough we're a massive club' drivel.

The biggest problem at Leeds is the largely deluded fan base living off past glories. We just don't have the money needed to challenge and it will probably take 3-5 years to build a team organically without any outside investment and that's if we're lucky with our youth players. Fans would do well to accept things for how they are and take a more patient, positive attitude.

Reply to JvLUFC.
I was getting impatient with Bates but this is a new season, with new owners and a new manager. So I am willing to give them a few seasons to turn it around and make us into top championship team and hopefully take us back to where we belong. There's no quick fix unless you live the dream, spend millions and then you'll get fined under these new financial fair play rules.
MOT, with patience!

28 Sep 2013 19:45:37
How patient you going to be when we are in the bottom 3?

28 Sep 2013 17:14:13
OMG two wingers and a striker, why can all the fans see it but not the management or the board, you guys not getting a game do the right thing and go out on loan have you no pride?

Don't think anyone wants the like of drury Pugh Norris etc on too high wages and can not offer enough to the clubs that can afford their wages.

28 Sep 2013 17:07:55
Brian your commitment to your current squad is commendable however continued refusal to use the loan market will start to make you look stubborn. FFS swallow your pride and sort it out.

What makes you think it's Brian. I'm pretty sure his hands are tied.

Because he has confirmed he has been given the green light to sign, but he wants a player he can sign perm in jan. This restricts his options and is his strategy, not the boards.

28 Sep 2013 16:56:29
Poor poor poor Time to act Brian! And GFH I'm Fu$� off we are no were near.why Sign Hunt if u not going to play him why pay money for Murphy when no wide players. I don't know do u.

28 Sep 2013 16:52:16
We need more than a striker, the money he's had to spend, hunt wages waste, 1m murphy total waste of money, wages on smith waste, he might be one for the future we need someone to do it now we've not got time.also big rant, we are 1 0 down our most creative player on bench why not play him.tom Kirwin thinks its because they don't want to risk the millwall fans reacting after reception he got when warming up, el hadji diouf i'm on about, when the hell did we let like that dictate what changes we make.mcdermott sort it out NOW.

28 Sep 2013 16:49:42
Unless you score goals you don't win matches. We need someone in very soon who can score at will or it's going to be a long, dark season!

28 Sep 2013 16:43:20
Going down, going down! Four defeats on the bounce, I feel sorry for BMD Fek all he can do really the Giants of football the likes of Bournmouth, Yeovil, Doncaster all investing more - disappointed but still white through and throught ( but it still hurts every week )

28 Sep 2013 16:40:35
Just watching the game against Millwall on live streaming, for the first time after 40 years of supporting Leeds I am embarrassed to be a leeds fan we have just gone 1-0 down to a really poor side, we have had a fair bit of possession but have no one and I mean no one who has the ability to create either a goal for themselves or someone else. I know everybody knows what we need, because we have needed them for at least two years and have gone through several transfer windows and loan windows praying that we can sign two wingers and a striker that can score goals, but have always failed to do so. I think I am right in saying in this game over 70 minutes we have had no efforts on target. we have only scored 2 goals in five games as we stand!

We will not do anything this year with this side, this is becoming a repeat of last year where we slowly slide down the table until we are getting close to relegation and we may then just about have enough to stay up, as I write now 2-0 down this is a bloody joke, the only thing I can hope if we do lose today that finally the club realises at last just how bad and unbalanced the squad is and provide enough money to BMD to get three players in. Sorry to be a moaner but I have tried to be positive over the last few seasons and hoped things would improve, the club does not deserve the fans at the moment with what they are providing.

28 Sep 2013 16:39:22
please sign someone who can stick the ball in the net and someone who can create chances in McDermott we are starting to lose trust. most people will disagree with this until we lose at home to Bournemouth on Tuesday.

28 Sep 2013 17:05:54
Not disagreeing mate!

28 Sep 2013 16:37:32
Why are bmd and gfh only saying we need striker now?
Are you in the right jobs if you have just noticed?
Shrew leeds

28 Sep 2013 16:30:33
Watching online. 0-1 down . Missed chances again. Thrown on Byram and Smith for last 20 mins. Can someone please put it in the back of the Millwall net.

2 nil down now this is NOT good

I wish someone would! Watching Leeds fixtures has become painful again just like the end of last season. We started off promising and now can't seem to link up correctly and sink the ball.

Missed chances forde not even had save to make, we need more than new striker.murphy 1m waste of money.

The answer to that is a resounding no . bmd must be starting from the back to build this squad that's why the talk is of a 2season build. Just hope we're not going to be doing it from league 1 because if we can't score we can't win and if we can't win we go down.

Disgusted. Everybody can see we are short of wide players and a goalscorer yet the manager prefers to move around the players that are letting us down everyweek. As for all this in McDermot we trust garbage I am sorry but I don't, tactically he has nothing he does what Warnock did and just throws on more strikers

28 Sep 2013 13:51:30
i know its only early in season but I think we could really do with 6 points in next 2 games and we have a good chance again millwall and I think we will beat bournemouth tuesday. Also I haven't seen mowatt play I have only heard on radio so just wondered if he's really as good as people are making out

28 Sep 2013 02:34:41
Not dollar for goal exactly but shouldn't a more expensive striker score more goals? I think mcd is great, although a few cracks in judgement are showing. Let me ask you this, if you had $2m
Would you buy mccormack. Or
Sharp and another player for $1.1m
If it was you, would you buy smith and hunt or one of the many others available to buy or loan
Would you play our best ( or is varney better?) striker in midfield?
Great bloke and think he will get us there, sooner or later. Great man manager and all that. But a few weird decisions happening.
To repeat, I would expect a $2m striker to considerably outscore a supposed $850k one.

I think he made those early decisions because he thought he was going to be backed financially even more.

Your theory has flaws, look at michu last season, out scored a boat load of expensive strikers! Plus it does depend how much of their contract is remaining

Answer to your first question - No. If you spend more on a striker it does mean he will score more goals.

Example - Carroll, cost 15mil, will score 12-16 goals a season. Sturridge, cost 12, scored 16 in half a season. Falcao and Soldado etc.

A free signing scoring no goals?

Hunt and Smith were brought in because, BMD knows Hunt and what he can offer (albeit at the moments it appears he was wrong) and Smith was an up and coming player. Both were free signings (so with the above logic don't have to score any)

I think we are top heavy now, if a striker was brought in, someone would be out and out dropped. At the moment all are being accomodated. Which is why I think he is reluctant to do that. Varney will stay in the team, because he can score goals. Poleon and Smith are good game changers. Hunt will have to go to make way for the "new man" which is why I believe BMD is reluctant to bring one in.

A winger type / striker would be a better option. Vaz Te, Nimely type.

Sort of agreeee but hunt and smith really shouldn't be at leeds and even though they cost nought should still earn their pay.