Leeds Banter Archive December 29 2015

 

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29 Dec 2015 22:35:54
my MOM stand up scot wotton best player tonight :].

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29 Dec 2015 22:48:17
Cant argue with that. He was really good tonight, as was Sam again.

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29 Dec 2015 23:50:12
Scot Wotton was excellent, team did well, showed guts and well organised plus some good skills.

Well done MC for making a stand against Sky, well done to Steve E for telling it like it is in the post match interview (ie Derby had a full 24 hours more to recover, big advantage when you play 2 games in 3 days) .

Well done the players for that performance, Wotton, keeper and Bridcot excellent and the rest did well.

Have to say the ref in the first half looked bias to me, glad he limped off otherwise he would have sent one of us off for sure.

Re the Sky thing, their payment covers around a 3000 shortfall in crowd I have been told, if the match had been played yesterday as it was supposed to and not on TV then you would expect a crowd of well in excess of 26000 (break even figure for this match) so the facts say MC has a point and good to see Steve E backing this up purely from a football perspective.

I for one see it as a positive thing for us to have done this as maybe it will bring things to a head and we either get more cash from sky or less on box or at least people will talk about this which was not the case before hand.

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29 Dec 2015 23:52:22
I have to admit I wasn't an Evans fan but we are actually playing the best football we have played since we came up. We still need 3 to 4 quality players to get there this season Mr Cellino. If we can keep this gang together we will make it this or next season for defo.

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30 Dec 2015 10:55:24
Cellino does have a point but as per usual goes the wrong way about proving it. Making a stand 24hrs before a game, creating a massive stink and then backing down just proves that he is attention seeking. If he felt so strongly about this game he should have refused Sky access a month ago, that being said, he is quite happy to take the £100K and the annual share of the Sky TV revenue therefore he is being a tad hypocritical. I do not agree with what Sky is doing to our schedule as it does impact upon supporters ability to get to games and also the income the club receives however Cellino needs to be smarter i. e. reduced ticket prices/ child discounts to generate the numbers. The reduced income on the ticket price would be more than made up through refreshments, programme and merchandise sales. I think greed is the driving force for Cellino's protesting rather than the welfare of supporters.

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30 Dec 2015 12:42:02
He made a stand what more could he do you would be complaining when the fl docked us points and the hefty fine if he had followed through.

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29 Dec 2015 22:26:17
Good result -brilliant 2nd goal from Derby but we switched off in de build-up . but please can anyone explain why Antenucci didn't come on for Wood - surely a better option to hold the ball and keep midfield in the game -- not knocking Stevie -he's doing a hell of a job and well done Woodie -.

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29 Dec 2015 22:25:29
Wonder how we would have done if we had another days rest like Derby damn you sky and fa.

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29 Dec 2015 22:34:23
3 points.

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29 Dec 2015 22:12:54
A good result against a very well organised Derby with a little bit more self believe we could of had three points! But big slap on back for woods for nt giving up and to Steve Evans he's brought in some confidence and believe top six is not impossible with a couple of additions in Jan welcome lads!

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29 Dec 2015 22:36:22
Stokes, Lafferty, Milner, Hoban and Bridcutt will take us very close. No lower than 8th.

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29 Dec 2015 22:49:11
George, where would we be with ffp if we made those signings?

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30 Dec 2015 06:32:09
yes and Norwich just got striker so lafferty should go.

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30 Dec 2015 09:47:59
One major problem with Lafferty and Stokes is their goalscoring record in England is appalling and not too great in a poor Scottish league either.

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29 Dec 2015 21:50:57
Another good result Evans doing fantastic job team spirit excellent bring on the dons couple of good additions in the transfer window and premiership here we come.

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30 Dec 2015 18:54:08
There's quite a few of us on here being saying the same thing for a long time, even before the run we're now on. The guy talks sense, respects everything to do with LUFC and I was convinced from his early interviews that any team he put out would give it there all for the shirt - recent results show his enthusiasm and ability to be brave with substitutions are paying dividends.

Well done Big Stevie E, keep it going and Happy New Year to everyone on here, even those who seem to have two log-ins? (bit strange that one but the lad in question is a bit of an odd ball) .

MM.

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29 Dec 2015 21:45:25
Well. Not pretty but a hard fought draw.
That's a game we would definitely have lost before Big Steve arrived.

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29 Dec 2015 22:01:30
You are definately right there!

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29 Dec 2015 22:08:30
Exactly speedy and I said it when Evans first came he gives teams confidence and that's the trick it's not rocket science it's about straight talking and instilling passion and Evans does that very well.

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29 Dec 2015 21:25:18
Perfect Bamba and Wood :)

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29 Dec 2015 21:47:35
Draw good result and their second goal a good one.

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29 Dec 2015 21:18:42
New Voting poll asked for by Shagtastic is now up on whether you would give up your sky subscription as a protest to sky.


Sky Poll

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29 Dec 2015 21:34:01
Cheers Ed, I have left my vote and the answer is yes.

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29 Dec 2015 22:31:37
If you don't have a sky subscription to begin with does my yes vote count twice?

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29 Dec 2015 20:38:55
Hope we can push on 3 points and a win at the dons best Christmas ever.

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29 Dec 2015 22:32:57
Unbeaten December.

Last time we did that was probably 6 years ago if not longer.

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29 Dec 2015 20:29:56
There's a Sol Bamba.

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29 Dec 2015 20:01:27
And so it begins, so soon! ah well never mind!

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29 Dec 2015 19:59:12
Woeful defending yet again.

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29 Dec 2015 19:59:07
Here we go God help us.

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29 Dec 2015 18:28:57
Anyway back to football I have a fiver on byram to score first and Leeds to win 3 nil at 400 to one and people say Massimo is crazy.

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29 Dec 2015 18:01:38
The simple fact is that the FL dare not upset Sky for fear of losing their revenue. It all comes down to money.
I agree with everything Massimo has to say about the loss of revenue to the club especially when we are chosen for TV so often.
Surely it would be better to share out TV appearances fairly between all the clubs in the Football League so that no team is disadvantaged?
However, Massimo rules with his heart rather than his head. There was no way he could have stopped Sky televising tonight's game without severe sanctions being taken against the club.
We all know that FL and Sky will take no heed of these matters, if they discomfit LUFC that suits them both fine.
I'm afraid we're stuck with this ad infinitum. MOT hope we can get a good win tonight.

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29 Dec 2015 16:46:56
Let's have a rousing chorus of
"Sky tv are f***ing shit" at the game tonight.
Glad mc did this, hopefully sky will get the message from all of us.
No thoughts for the harm this will do our players, overusing muscle groups making them more prone to injury without adequate recovery period.
Sky and fl = corrupt cabal, ruining football between them.

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{Ed001's Note - seriously? Overusing? If the players are so tired, why are they in training every day? If they are knackered the coaching staff could give them a day off. They don't because the players are capable of continuing without injury and the injuries tend to be caused by a lack of fitness caused by crap lifestyle more than overwork. If they lived like a professional athlete, they would be fine. That is just an excuse.

I do agree on your points about Sly TV, just not on the 'harm' to players, which is just bull.}

29 Dec 2015 17:10:58
Well I for one am glad that sky have us on so much! I live 200 miles away and work all the time. I can neither afford the time nor the money to come up and see the boys all the time! doesn't mean I'm not a fan! Just means I can see the lads more.
If mc wants more fans at matchs then stop charging £40 just to enter, never mind parking, petrol, food and drink to watch an average second div side and either give the fans something worth paying a fortune for or shut his gob!

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29 Dec 2015 17:41:25
I wonder? How many of the Leeds fans who chant abuse about Sky, pay monthly for ssn at home?

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29 Dec 2015 18:15:39
Come off it Ben Telford is nothing like 200 miles from Leeds,.

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29 Dec 2015 18:30:22
AGM it's 250 mile round trip!

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29 Dec 2015 18:32:16
Thanks for the reply ed, there is a difference in intensity between the training day to day and playing a competitive match, the demands placed on the human body increase hitherto does the resources to body provides to function in an intense way.
You have a point to some degree about training every day but the key is the intensity, two competitive matches two days after another is asking a lot of any athlete.
It would be like Mo farah running two competitive 10k's within two days,
suffice it to say his second time would be notably slower than his first.

I do not believe I am talking "bull' but feel free to differ on this.

My point differs from MC's in that this scheduling hands a definite advantage to our opponents, does not take into account the above and I would suggest a team lying 2nd in the table do not need any extra help.
Then again who cares, . its only Leeds.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry but that's the point, they are not training hard enough, hence the lack of fitness. Endurance athletes put their bodies through far more on a daily basis. Oh and Mo Farah does run two competitive 10ks within 2 days at events like the Olympics, usually records will be broken in the second run. You clearly need to do some research on this area as you are spouting lots of ignorant, incorrect bull.}

29 Dec 2015 20:48:08
At last somebody is talking sense KJC. It will make no difference to Sky if we sing how bad they are, the only thing they will understand is people giving up their Sky subscription. Ed is their a chance of putting up a pole to see how many are prepared to give up their sky subscription?

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{Ed033's Note - Ok, Poll up


Sky Poll

29 Dec 2015 21:49:07
So not 200 miles from Leeds then Ben only 125 at a push.

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29 Dec 2015 22:38:41
AGM I do find it a little sad for you that all you have to worry about is the distance between two places! bless you.

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29 Dec 2015 16:46:35
Well, sorry to say, but our owner is a liability to our proud club. When thing starting to look good he comes along seeking the limelight one way or the other. Someone must start telling him if he wants to be a part of the football League then he has to accept the conditions. And not start act against them midseason. The will come down on him and the club with evry sanctions they got. He simply isn't a good tactition, just run by emotions. Please Mr. Cellino, take a long vacation in Miami, and enjoy us going up the table step by step!

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29 Dec 2015 15:47:54
I have read all of the posts about Wood being rubbish and not a natural being a natural goal scorer while I don't agree with this argument I do agree we need another striker and as Patrick Bamford is cutting short his loan spell short at Palace I would like us to try and sign him on loan until the end of the season. What does everyone else think?

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29 Dec 2015 16:06:09
Agree shaggy, I think he would be good bit of pace and can score/ assist forrestieri would have been ideal, we missed out there, on fire for them Yorkshire southerners at the moment.

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29 Dec 2015 16:42:56
I think that is a great shout he had a great spell at this level with Middlesbrough.

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29 Dec 2015 15:40:45
Cellino makes a stand for the good of Leeds and I agree its a bit mad but how else does he get the point across that the club gets used by sky and games shifted to suit their needs and enough about reducing ticket prices fans can't expect big transfers and reduced price at the same time the question is how else does he get sky to take notice.

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{Ed001's Note - he can't, he is disqualified. Why did he not do this sooner? Why wait until after he is meant to be banned?}

29 Dec 2015 16:00:25
Is he not in position pending appeal.

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{Ed001's Note - I would have to check, last I heard he was removed and the appeal was to allow him back. If you are right, I apologise, I have not kept close tabs on the situation as it is just too ridiculous to keep track of.}

29 Dec 2015 16:50:58
Someone has to stand up to people like sky or it just gets worst, so go on Mc for bringing it to the wider media attention.

If you don't do anything then nothing changes, re Ed's comment he didn't do it sooner because sky keep changing the goalposts and adding more games for us on TV which leads to this situation were Derby have a clear advantage as extra 24 hours to recover, this matters when you have to play again 2-3 days after a match, if it was a week then fine. It is clearly unfair so right to bring it up BEFORE game so not sour grapes.

SKY is effecting games around the TV match so 9 games effected becomes more like 12-13 with rearranging other games around those times.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry but that is rubbish, this game was known about weeks ago, so why not say something then and take action? Oh yes, it would not get him the attention he so obviously craves. This is not about what is best for the club and its fans, it never is with this man.

Incidentally, I fully agree with his dissatisfaction, just not the way he is dealing with it.}

29 Dec 2015 15:35:03
Wex, I think massimo has to get fellow chairmen/ owners on side and demand a meeting with the league before the season starts and agree a binding contract with the league and sky about how many games sky should cover per club it has to be equal and shared with all other clubs, if he doesn't get the support of all the championship clubs it will just look like it's us moaning about it, and they will ignore us as usual, I have to applaud massimos stance. But I don't think he helps us with his knee jerk actions, it will only help to shoot the club in the foot, so to speak, as it will give the FL the right to deduct points of us, (under their full range of sanctions) which we all know they'll be rubbing their hands with glee at the chance to do so, hopefully he will back down at the last minute and hopefully made a point without us getting any sanctions, but I don't agree with his methods of complaining, IMO Start of the season ask for a meeting with all championship clubs and thrash out a fair and binding contract with them and Sky TV mot 😎.

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29 Dec 2015 15:58:06
Agree DJ but we haven't got best of relationship with other chairmen and that was evident long before cellino got here.

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29 Dec 2015 15:21:56
Game tonight to be screened live after all! Are we officially a laughing stock now? Does anyone still hold Cellino in any kind of esteem?

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29 Dec 2015 18:10:54
I do. The FL and Sky have things to hide. Cellino's methods are quite mad but his conclusions are likely accurate. He just needs better counsel and legal team to make him feel better. I'd help if he wants. I don't want my club to be at the centre of controversy anymore.

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29 Dec 2015 15:19:47
RIP Pavel Srnicek.

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29 Dec 2015 15:11:35
this is why mc isn't fit to be an owner . you have to follow rules . yes two in two is bad . but sky run footbvall and what they say top boys say yes to hence the money they get . acting like a three yr old doesn't help the club . another step back mc GROW UP OR GET OUT.

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29 Dec 2015 14:28:13
Whilst all the talk is of Cellino not liking the reduction in attendance when on TV there's a bigger picture. Doesn't anyone think that playing 2 games in 3 days won't affect our performance? And the reason we are playing only 2 days after our last game? ssn. That's the real reason MC's not happy with Sky.
CJS.

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29 Dec 2015 14:18:22
Not sure I agree with Massimo actions but I wonder what other options has he? We have been pulled and pushed in several directions to suit sky and fl as chairman of a club with tight finances he has to maximise income and as much as it's brilliant we are on tv this season they are taking the pies can anyone else think how he makes a stand to say enough is enough.

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29 Dec 2015 14:39:33
Yes reduce match day ticket prices to reflect t. v money been made by the club this would increase revenue and more fans in ground can only be good for the team.
Yes Derby having an extra days rest is not fair but that doesn't just happen to us it is one of those things
Massimo needs to start running us like a football club not a circus
Thought things seemed to be going too well.

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29 Dec 2015 15:32:03
As I said the club has to make money to survive we as fans want it all the big transfer the big players the big contracts and reduced tickets wake up and smell the coffee without money no club.

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29 Dec 2015 15:34:56
The tv money is supposed to benefit the clubs. So they give 100 grand and club loses 50 in revenue is not much of a benefit. Cellino asked to see contract, FL refused why? As a season ticket holder it maddens me, I book days off work then end up with no game and having to listen to it on radio at work a day or two later. Sky should not be dictating kick off times never mind what day we play. Cellinos right to bring it to media attention.

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{Ed001's Note - Cellino is not in a position to get involved - he is disqualified, so no he is not right. He knows this and is being a prick again. Right to get the club to complain publicly, yes, but he should have stayed out of it as he is banned at the moment from involvement. All he has done is caused it to be all about him, as usual.}

29 Dec 2015 15:57:00
Has his appeal been heard then did not realise, thought still waiting for outcome.

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29 Dec 2015 16:34:17
I am not a cellinio hater and love my club more than anything
However other big clubs in the championship don't lose supporters for televised home games due to prices been more affordable for the working man
If prices at Elland Road were reduced attendances would be up increasing revenue giving better support to team and most importantly introducing youngsters to the club who at the moment won't get taken to a game if it is on sky due to the cost.

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29 Dec 2015 16:54:58
Īagree prices too high. Need to get more young ones into er.

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29 Dec 2015 17:27:00
Totally agree Armleuwhite, as Somebody who hasn't a game home or away since abates left we continually have to pay over the top prices for both home and away games. I read with interest a survey which said the average price for a match ticket is between £15-£20 for a match ( maybe Ed you might have a better idea on this than me) in the Championship and I can't remember when I lasted paid a ticket for that price?

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29 Dec 2015 14:16:35
Dear Mr Cellino
Don't bite the hands that feed you, you'll probably come off worse.
Think of the fans, this will probably end up in a fine, points deduction, fewer games on TV for those who can't get to the games, lower TV revenues as less games on TV and players won't be 'in the shop window' as much so may not play as well.
Regards
Lucas.

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29 Dec 2015 15:39:53
Sky don't feed us. We feed ourselves. Fans paying at the turnstyle, buying pies, shirts, hats programmes etc, that's the lifeblood of the lower leagues. Players are in the shop window every week, scouts don't just watch telly.

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29 Dec 2015 16:32:39
I wasn't just refering to Sky feeding MC. The FL and fans also do, this stunt will just drive an even bigger wedge between them all. By not being shown on TV then this could hamper the not so well off fans and the younger fans that he will attracting. How many young lads in Premiership tops do you see walking around Leeds city centre? I see loads, too many. The more exposure we have on TV then the more young fans we'll potentially pick up.
Re players in the shop window, one reason why players are attracted to LU is that they know we are one of the biggest clubs in the champ shown on TV a lot and if the TV appearances dwindle away then they may drop their performance level or not come in the first place.

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29 Dec 2015 12:50:25
Think people need to realize we don't get millions for playing on sky even if we play more than some premier teams so the guys got a point i'm gutted we ain't on t. v too but the football league take piss derby should of played sunday they know what there doing.

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29 Dec 2015 11:05:28
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Cellino Bans Sky, Sunderland Desperate For Defenders And Eight Other Stories

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29 Dec 2015 11:37:05
Our crazy owner yet again shows his lack of concern for supporters or understanding of loyalty of leeds supporters. He clears off to miami letting someone else face the consequences, and does not realise that there are areas presently impassable due to flooding so some supporters cannot get to the match. People may be ill or elderly and cannot go to Elland Road so it is great that their team can be watched on TV. My daughter normally goes with me as long standing season ticket holders, but she is ill and cannot travel.
He has no thought for other than himself and money. I cannot believe how he can be so successful in business yet not think of the consequences of even more action, fine and possibly points deduction from the league, not to mention potential breach of contract damages from sky. This guy is on another planet and making leeds United a laughing stock, and alienating true fans.

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29 Dec 2015 09:35:50
Hi guys hope you had a great Christmas I see we are in the news again this time for banning sky cameras does anyone know what we get from sky for showing a live game to be fair a leeds derby gameshould be attracting close to 30 000 and I can see what the chairmans beef is happy new year to all.

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29 Dec 2015 10:01:12
I believe it's £100k, but sooner or later this owner of ours is going to cost us a massive points deduction, if he wants a bigger crowd he needs to reduce ticket prices for live TV games then.

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29 Dec 2015 10:43:57
I think this is more a case over control than home attendances. MC can't control Sky and what fixture is shown and ultimately who watches the the game.

We all know he has an ego its just we just got to hope it doensnt cost us financuially of in the league, because we all know the FL like making new rules when it comes to us.

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29 Dec 2015 11:08:44
Oh MC what are you doing, this is not the way - Evans is doing some great work but you risk undoing this and possibly leaving Leeds at the hands of FL.

Here's to a great Leeds performance tonight!

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29 Dec 2015 05:39:11
What are you up to now, Massimo?

Creating a broadcasting blockade. Sounds like a scene out of V is for Vendetta.

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29 Dec 2015 09:29:32
yes mc pratt said 9 games on sky crowds down but most have been away I think only two at home so again power mad and no bloody brains and done you gat money from sky much needed.

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29 Dec 2015 11:25:32
So its fine for us to play two games in three days then as long as sky give us 100 grand. let's see what crowd we get cause this would be full house yesterday, see how much we really benefit. Not saying its right what he is doing, but not just about money.

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29 Dec 2015 11:58:00
Bige we have to ask ourselves if the reason for banning sky from Elland rd was due to falling attendances why has MC left it until now to ban the cameras from Elland rd, the sky schedule for Championship games has been out or at least two months so he has had plenty of time to inform Sky they are not welcome at Elland rd. If MC really believes as a result of banning sky we will see an increase in tonight's attendance our owner is even more deluded than I thought, this can only harm the club. Mac needs to look at the reason why fans are not turning up tickets for nights game are around £37 even more in the south stand for reasons we all know people might not simply afford to go due to the high prices both home and away.

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29 Dec 2015 15:03:25
Shagtastic think he has banned cameras because he sees a system that is unfair. He asked FL to see sky contract, they refused, why, is Leeds United not part of FL. More to it than how many fans come to game. For some just another chance to get their Cellino out flags out with out knowing full story.

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{Ed001's Note - where did you get that from? According to the Football League he just banned the Sky people from the ground and refuses to deal with them.}

29 Dec 2015 16:50:11
Bohr I would be very interested in where you have got your information as I haven't read so much rubbish on here for a long time. As I mentioned before Cellino has known about this game for a couple of months, why leave it so late? He had again made our great club the laughing stock of football. Instead of talking about the progress we are making under SE the talk is now about Cellino again. If MC is going to make statements like yesterday then he should stick to what he truly believes instead nobody will take him seriously when he makes any kind of statement. MC had made so outrageous statements/ promises and I am afraid he has failed to deliver on many of them.

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