Leeds Banter Archive March 02 2012

 

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02 Mar 2012 23:46:10
annyone think we will get the 30k attendance warnock wants tomorrow

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No, not a prayer. Just over 20000 I reckon.

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I think we will be a couple less than normal as we won't have the L.U.S.T board there, oh wait a minute that wont make a difference they don't go anyway!

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I reckon 26500 tbh

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Not with the game being on Sky. The usual chant of 'if you're watching on the tele you're a c u next tuesday' will be in full!

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My understanding is that one of the main LUST guys has been 4 times this season despite the fact that he lives in the USA and many are worried their season tickets won't work today. That's a BIG financial commitment with each game costing more than a season ticket.

Snide, inaccurate, remarks don't contribute anything to the debate. If you can't contribute an intelligent, informed opinion then keep your mouth shut.

Disagree with LUST if you like, that's your prerogative, but lying about their members' attendance record and showing disrespect for a fellow supporter's right to voice an opinion is not really very cool is it?

Man up.

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L.U.S.T Members have a right to express there opinions yes on an individual basis they have no right to portray that they represent the opinions of all Leeds fans (one Voice) they have no right to portray biased unsubstantiated evidence as the truth and fact. The guy that lives in the US comes to England to visit his family and also goes to a game, he doesn't travel for the sole pupose to watch Leeds so don't portray that as fact, his significant outlay would have been made as he is vissiting his family. My remarks are not inacurate they are factually correct that certain senior LUST members do not go to games. LUST have no right to infringe fans rights to attend a game without being threatened and intimidating because they enter certain parts of the ground they have no right to arrange protests inside of ER either, if you review the T&C's of your purchase you would no this as this is a public order and public safety issue, which requires additional costs to police and steward.

I don’t need to man up when I see people protesting and spouting the spoonfed conjecture that LUST portray I tell them as it is thanks!

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02 Mar 2012 21:50:40
the only account of the accounts is the account bates gives.....nobody knows the truth but bates - he has the money

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Don't report what you don't know where as the public accounts don't lie!

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02 Mar 2012 21:17:51
begining to wonder whats up with the bates lovers on here they are so aggressive

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I see equal aggression! You sound like a western journalist reporting on Syria biased sensationalist propaganda!

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02 Mar 2012 21:10:08
sorry but i dont see the good times coming soon whoever the manager is, we've all got a bit excited since NW arrived (ferguson and mourinho couldnt sort this lot out).....bates is a malignant tuma killing the club, when i take my seat at elland road i can see the puss dripping off the stands, take a look at the s**te being sold in the shop. he hates the place and is only intersted in £££, if he isnt please can somebody tell me where the £ from last 6 yrs tranfers has gone?

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Have you actually taken time to review the clubs financial accounts? if you have you would know Bates hasn't taken any money out of Leeds for himself! Bates needs Leeds to be successful to achieve a greater sale price when he does come to sell, however Bates isn’t stupid to risk liquidation or administration unlike Ridsdale.

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To use words like malignant and tumour are way over the top,remember Bates doesnt need Leeds United,hes more than enough money,yes NW has a big job on his hands but he is man enough to do it,just give him time.

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Fine the main poster of this a disputing and vile person. Using the word 'tumour' to insult bates! Think of the people that may actually have that problem! Very disrespectful in my eyes.. And personally I think bates is doing okay now and give it till the summer and we will have players in and the deadwood out

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Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't a malignant tumor harmless? {Ed001's Note - no mate, that's a benign tumour.}

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Just a quick question to the 2nd poster, how do know Bates is not taking any money out of the club when the accounts qive so little information. 22.5mil in admin expenses, what does that include, maybe a payment to Bates, maybe a payment to the mysterious company who supported him in the administration buyout, the fact is nobody know because Bates is so secretive. The problem is, human nature shows that is you try to hide things people will assume the worst!

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Umm isn't bates the main owner? In a purely business sense doesn't he have the right? He can claim wages, drawings, repayments or whatever. When you front with the cash for the club we will listen. From what we've seen bated is no mug, he is trying to stabilize the club and while success is the main ingredient, you need a string core and bates is trying to maximize income streams and build the club into a powerhouse for the future. He's doing well at the minute. Leave it

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In reply to post no 4.I think you need to give your head a shake,in no way was the first poster trying to afend anybody,He was simply putting is point forward,To call he or she vile is way over the top.i will tell you wat is vile is banning a supporter off our club simply for having a opinion,I go to all Leeds home games and if bates bans everybody who wants him gone then hudders will have better average gates than us,save the vile word for people who deserve it like dictators the Taliban etc {Ed020's Note - i'm not going to post anymore comments on this, this conversation has got a tad off track. so from now on any comments will be deleted. and i agree, to call someone vile is abit schoolyard. so please children, no more.}

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02 Mar 2012 19:41:13
Recent news of the following (Rangers, Portsmouth both in administration, both clubs are being forced to cut senior players as a result, Port Vale transfer embargo & winding up order will be going into administration, Coventry and Birmingham both now have a transfer embargo for failing to file clubs financial accounts and both are facing going into administration) proves that Ken Bates is doing an excellent job when you review Leeds Financial accounts so many clubs are financially miss managed unlike LUFC. I said in October that this season was written off due to the inept management by SG. It is still a distant possibility that Leeds could make the playoffs but that is only down to the fact that we now have NW, next season Leeds will go up. With Ken and Neil running things are Leeds I couldn’t be happier!

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Ed, can you stop ken from posting on here please {Ed020's Note - everyone has there right to post, even big poppa k!! lol}

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Couldn't be happier?, what no quality signings, losing some of our best players,ridiculous over pricing,managers coming and going,lies about ownership of the club, promises about thorpe arche,could go on but no point with fans like the orginal poster ,happy to pay through the nose,

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First poster clearly doesn't know how to read a set of accounts. We're making an operating loss if player sales are not being taken into account which, when considering our player budget is only around 35% of revenue, begs the question how are we losing money? We're a selling club for a reason and the accounts show that much but it really is unclear why since the accounts divulge as little information as the law permits which is typical Bates.

Our accounts to June 2010 show a loss of around .75 million bolstered by a 2.8 million profit on player trading.

They also show 22.5 million in administrative expenses which seems peculiarly high.

The club may be solvent but so are many clubs who are investing in their teams. For every Portsmouth there's an Arsenal...

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And exactly what are Arsenal achieving this season??

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Portsmouth trebled the wage offer to Norris in the summer that Leeds offered him he's on 22k per week and they are in administration point and case really. What lies about ownership? What managers coming and going how long was SG at Leeds again? Ticket prices are reasonable people report the highest prices when there are far cheaper ticket prices for the same games! What have the players achieved who have decided to join recklessly spending clubs Bristol City past 4 years recorded financial losses, Leicester City have just filed huge losses and where are they? Just a few quality signings Becchio, Lonergan, Snodgrass, Rodgers, McCormack, Clayton, Somma, blame SG for his transfer policy!

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Arsenal - what are they achieving? Are you really so stupid as to think that 4th in the Premier League and reaching the Champions League knockout stages is on a par with where we are? Get a grip...I've read some idiotic statement on here but that's beyond belief. 4th best team in the country - don't you wish we were where they are?

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Totally agree with last post. How the **** can any of us look down our noses at Arsenal?!? Very very funny!

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Ok Bates supporters riddle me this . . . Bates said our player costs this year were 12mil (2.5 mil over budget) and according to the accounts our Admim exp were 22.5mil (all be it lastyears numbers), why are we spending almost double on admin than on players. I don't profess to know what is included in the admin figures (Bates seems to want to keep that a secret) but last years admin budget almost double this years playing staff!! Sorry but to me this seems like missmanagement to NHS proportions

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02 Mar 2012 19:30:16
bates is a cancer on this club.the sooner we all realise this the better.

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Bates is the best thing for this club and I thank him for, after the Ridsdale era, look at the other option which was Simon Morris how would Leeds have faired then? What good did or Trevor Birch do to resolve Leeds issue the majority of there decisions had disastrous effect on LUFC. People may not like Bates but everything he has done since the administration has been in the benefit of Leeds, my only criticism of him is that he should have taken Leeds into administration sooner than he did.

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02 Mar 2012 19:15:46
Just a thought, If attracting better named players would this be seen by the creditors, if any of having monies to pay them back in full. Just a thought, any views welcome.

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We need to get our heads down and wait till the end of the season, then if we go up we aren't liable for a certaid Ridsdale's debts.

Nobody seems to realise that it wasn't Bates that got us into this sh^te!!

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02 Mar 2012 18:36:05
Unfortunately nothing anyone is going to do be it protest or open revolt is going to make any difference to Bates because he doesn't have to go anywhere. Any football team playing us are looking for the slightest weekness in our game all this aggravation and unrest acts against the team so ultimately it ends up hurting us........ergo we can't win I'd we continue to protest.

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But something must be done about bates, he just thinks he can say or do what he likes and if others dare oppose him he attacks them,he attacks US the lifeblood of the club.he acts like a spoiled child,

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Why don't you realise that it wasn't Bates who got us into this mess?

Have you all forgotten a certain ar$'ole called Ridsdale?

Bates is keeping this club afloat no matter what, and I will always be gratefull for that.

The future of this club is in OUR hands, not his,

MOT forever

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We have been out of the ridsdale mess for a while now, so stop using that old chestnut as an excuse like bates does,

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And since the administration Bates backed Grayson in lg1 and got us promoted he will do the same with NW in the summer!

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I agree fully with the guy that points out Ridsdale. L.U.S.T is just opportunistic attention seekers, I've done a quick calculation and L.U.S.T have 4,500 members that will probably represent less than 2% of the total number of people that attend ER. L.U.S.T believe they represent everyone's views they don't if it wasn't for bates we would of had Simon Morris can you imagine what mess Leeds would of been in then? I blame Ridsdale then Gerald Krasner, Professor John McKenzie as there decisions and selling of assets and players was a joke when they should have taken us into administration sooner!

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02 Mar 2012 17:32:22
Following the news that bates n harvey have pathetically banned LUST hierarchy from purchasing tickets here's some food for thought... (all just based on average)

out of the 4,500 LUST members if half of them stick to their loyalties and stopped purchasing tickets for themselves or others (based on the average ticket price being £25.00), the club would lose per season, over 9 months £506,250.00

That's half a million which is more than we have spent on a player in recent years. Another clever move by bates in where the money could of been used to tie down players or even sign a player! The guy is playing the club like a game and laughing at us whilst he does it!

Like I said all based on average but still you get the point....

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I need to know more about this story if true

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The rant from bates on the radio is true, this after i, along with most others thought we were all gonna get behind the team and lust was and is still not going ahead with any protests or boycott b4 the game tomorrow, so what is ken trying to achieve with his rants,is he deliberately trying to stir up trouble or what?,just wish he would show some dignity and respect for others,esp us.

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Who said that 4,500 LUST members buy tickets in the first place? or that all 4,500 members support LUST?

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More conjecture by original poster who doesn't have an idea of the basic facts! can you smell something?

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Original poster...

if you read you muppets i said on average and is just an estimate! some people shuld open their eyes before commenting. the fact of the post is that all bates has done has cost the club money by bannig a 'big' organisation from attending matches!

it's a well known fact that LUST chiefs have been banned from purcahsing tickets as of today so in a nutshell that is gonna cost the club support and money!

bloody idiots!

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I don't think that LUST will be any loss to us, once they find they can't buy tickets any more they willl either go and support scum or someone else or leave LUST? I would never join any group that purports to represent me, without asking in respect of the team I have supported for over 40 years?

We will be around long after Bates has gone, why don't you realise you are harming the very team you 'think' you support?

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LUST members represent less than 2% of match day attendance.

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Whether or not I like what LUST do is not my argument here but are you really not intelligent enough to understand the reasoning behind their decision - if you ran a business and had a load of people giving you a hard time about how you ran it but could stop them by banning them or removing the chance of going near your business are you telling me you wouldn't?? Course you would!

Secondly by boycotting games and trying to hit Bates where it hurts youre also taking money away from the club you claim to love and therefore adding to the problem and giving us even less chance of spending money on players or wages.

Finally, how do you think it looks to potential investors or purchasers of the club, a group of fans that cause trouble if they dont like how the club is run.....does that sound like an attractive investment to you?

Yes we all wish certain things would change or were better but please think about what repercussions your actions could and will have. From one point of view it could be seen that ideas like this make some fans no better than Bates

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Original poster again...

It makes me laugh how you all direct your comments at me like im in LUST when im not! I purely posted this just to say that I think the club will be losing money and people are in a right flap! Purely stating my opinion that I think its a bad move! People need to get a life!

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I see someone trying to back track fast and rightly he should!

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Im not goin back on wat I said and why the f**k should I? I stated ny opinion like iv got a right to n who are you to tell me i should rightly do anything? Agree or disagree with LUST (i dont have an opinion of them one way or the other), having them barred will lose the club money, fact! Whether it be £10 or £10m my point is still valid. People will disagree because they dnt like LUST but that doesn't make my opinion wrong you tit!

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You don't have an opinion yeh right! Be Honest; don't be like TSS don't be like LUST give your opinion!

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02 Mar 2012 16:45:51
Bates has started a war with lust, why didsn't this guy just keep his mouth shut,they called off the protests for the sake of the club yet he attakes them on his radio show and has banned leaders from buying tickets,we all want harmony but bates refuses to get with the programme,he acts like a dictator,think it's now time for the fans to united and try to remove this vile man from our beloved club.mot

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Why? Because he's an aggressive, fascistic control freak who is determined to continue to run the club for the benefit of himself and a number of mystery offshore companies rather than for the benefit of the fans.

He doesn't want LUST, MPs, the BBC, the Guardian or the football authorities knowing what he's up to and is doing everything he can to maintain an air of secrecy over the ground ownership and other issues.

Perhaps some of those on this forum who have been blindly singing his praises since the appointment of Warnock (a hasty appointment enforced by the protests in my view) will now start to realise that Bates is very bad news.

Love Leeds, Hate Bates

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Think Bates is rightly and entitled to firstly have his say about LUST (you call it an attack that is just inflammatory speech) secondly he is right to ban them as LUFC want to create a positive atmosphere at ER and LUST with the previous protest have not done that. Well done Ken the right decision.

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How is bates creating a good atmosphere?.

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All bates is doing is causing trouble and dividing the fans,god when are some going to realise that HE is the enemy, not other fans

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No, all Bates is doing is keeping this f**king club alive for those of us who support LEEDS UNITED!

You either put up the money to buy the guy out or F^^K off?

Moan, Moan, f^^king moan....

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Love Leeds Love Bates

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02 Mar 2012 15:36:20
Really disapointed to read on the OS that the official programme will run a competition to win 2 season tickets and all you have to do is buy 7 programmes.
As someone who always renews his season ticket early and many others like me would have loved the chance to win.
Why not state that if you have already bought your season ticket and were to win the competition you would be re-imbursed? {Ed013's Note - I do think us season ticket holders should get more for their money. I have always said maybe 20% in the club shop instead of 10% and maybe half price programmes or half price cup games etc. So a I see where your going, but me personally cant win on a prize every time game never mind a competition!}

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There has been many reports about our season ticket prices in comparison to others and yes we should see more for our money I'm struggling to find the money for next season and will be gutted if I can't renew, but look at rangers Portsmouth and a lot o f others teetering on administration forget Bates the supporters money is keeping us in a profitable position that's down to all of us so yes expensive but at least we have a club that is solvent

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We either pay the prices to push Leeds up where we belong, or we go somewhere else...

I am Leeds, who are you??

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02 Mar 2012 10:19:46
leeds to sign shaun derry from qpr on loan till end of season. {Ed020's Note - he has said before that he's wanting to stay with qpr to help stave off relegation.

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No he isn't he is staying put. Yes he was proud to wear the White shirt but testament to a guy who wants to fight for his clubs survival says a lot about him as a man good on ya bloke

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02 Mar 2012 00:17:06
get well soon big jack

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Really feel for Big Jack, nice to see he's still loved on here!! A real Leeds legend!!

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