Leeds Banter Archive September 02 2011

 

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02 Sep 2011 23:00:53
I know we made no signings but last season we brought in Lichaj on loan who was one of our best players lets hope we can sign some more quality loan players to at least get us through til January... Then we need to show ambition and sign some top players! Until then, keep the faith! MOT!

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02 Sep 2011 20:13:20
Does anyone remeber McCormack at Cardiff where he was one of the top scorers? Well that seasonhe played out wide on the left hand side which is where Gradel played.... Yes we should play Nunez but Becchio and Keogh up front with McCormack on the left must be worth a shot.

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Ken bates is a legend. End of...

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If Grayson had sorted out our defensive problems we could play a 4-3-3.

Keogh up front as a target man, Mcormack on the left, snoddy on the right with nunez sat just behind Keogh. Then sat deep Howson and Clayton holding the midfield and spreading the ball.....

Sadly the defence isn't strong enough to cope on it's own. We cant afford to play an attacking formation

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02 Sep 2011 20:04:54
What would a player want to play infront of a full 25,000 fans or a half empty stadium with most of the fans shouting get bates out I know he is tight and we didn't get any signing but if we all get behind the squad then the results on the pitch will take care of themselves

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This isnt even a discussion for me, Its MOT all the way. Do u think the players and staff are as negative as some of the mindless commenters on this site, answer no. This is my opinion, like it or lump it.

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Good post bud,get behind the team never mind protest this and protest that,we aint finished recruiting yet.

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02 Sep 2011 19:03:12
If Bates' interview is anything to be believed then there was always a high risk that Max was going to leave at the beginning of this season.
If this was the case, how come Alex Mendy (who impressed on trial) wasn't offered at least a short term contract?
Answers please Mr Grayson

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I believe Grayson said he wanted to give him one but there were complications

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Grayson wanted to send him out on loan to learn the English game. So he wouldnt be at the club anyway

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02 Sep 2011 18:47:06
I have always been a fan of Grayson and up until recently would have backed him no question. The guys done a good job but I feel he's now out of his depth and is sinking fast. Thanks for your efforts simon, but maybe you should step aside for the greater good of the club. Mr bates if you are reading this which I doubt your not, please move Grayson to assistant manager and bring in gus poyey!

In grayson we used to trust. Simon please do the right thing and maybe we will one day trust you again.

Danny. LUFC for ever!

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02 Sep 2011 17:55:30
Would it be fair to say that we have been ridiculously unlucky so far this term ?
We must be due the 'rub of the green' (good old classic lol) soon ? Injury, transfer and 3 points wise !

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Very good point,as well as crap refereeing decisions,we are in a false position,just like Southampton are.

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You make your own luck and if you cant defend it doesnt matter how good you play you will not win games. SG has had long enough to sort out a half decent back four.

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Wake up guys your so fickle --- Leeds lose and its refs fault, rub of the green etc... basic crap defending costs goals, poor tactics and a clear lack of quality signings

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Actually blind faith is the exact opposite of fickle, fickle is moaning about the team and being all doom and gloom Bates Out when we lose, but not saying anything when we're winning like last season, so the fickle ones would be 75% of the people on here, morons

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02 Sep 2011 17:49:45
Well I hope we have all learned something here, I know from my own work that lack of communication breeds resentment and anger ! It seems that SG and KB have realized that secrecy leads to trouble - I, for one feel a lot more respect for the pair of them for both coming out with open, honest public interviews and KB even talked specific figures, profits, money available and the light at the end of Becchio's tunnel is certainly growing ever brighter and closer.

Thanks SG and KB for listening to us - I feel much better, come on Leeds - all of us together now behind our boys, we need to fight till January, where it now seems clear from the top brass that we have got some money at least to capture a half decent target - if we can be in the top 6 at Christmas, we may get the likes of Wayne Bridge etc

'Appy Days - eventually :-D....patience

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Top six with this team your having a laugh and Bates sending money he won't spend and never will just feeding fans a load of crap to keep them of his back

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02 Sep 2011 17:28:27
It's human nature to point blame when things go wrong but I don't think any one person is to blame for Leeds downfall - Bates is dishonest , he will not disclose our true financial status , claims we are going to sign players then doesn't , is adding to ER when we don't own it when the money could be spent on the team and treats the fans badly - Grayson claims he wants to bring quality players in but has been very dodgy in his choices , has said none of our top players would leave and they have , relies on loan players and freebies who can't be quality or they wouldn't be allowed to go from their own clubs - Snodin doesn't seem to be a good coach as all our young players have to go on loan to improve (clayton,lees,White etc) why can't we coach our own young players instead of having to let others do it - Harvey is just Bates puppet to run the club while he suns himself in Monaco - until things change we will never get back to the prem - we are all frustrated cos we are living on our past glories but we are no longer the big club we were - we either need to accept it or do something about it as Liverpool did - despite what Bates thinks it's OUR club not his

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Not that Im a fan of Snodin but our young uns go out to get some matches which they wouldnt get at Leeds,and if Snodin was any good hed sort our defence out,we need a good defensive coach

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Snodin needs replacing - if he coaches like he played were doomed, his brother was the better player - step out the shadow

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02 Sep 2011 17:23:21
Latest from Bates Puppet

The major activity ahead of the transfer deadline obviously saw Max Gradel leave the club and when a player usually puts in a transfer request, like he did, there’s not a lot you can do about it.


Obviously, his agent worked out something for him that they both wanted to happen. There wasn’t a lot you could do, especially with a lad like Max. You can sometimes look at a player and maybe talk to them, but we all know Max can be a little bit volatile and you have got to work out what problems you might have if you don’t let a player like him go, in terms of around the club.

Max is one of those guys who might have sulked.

With players, you’ve got to work out the character and what would be the situation if you kept them at the club.

Probably, when it was discussed, it was thought best to let him go for that reason.

There have been people after him and Robert Snodgrass all through the summer and we’ve talked and talked to them and we thought we’d won the battle. But there you go, 24 hours before (the deadline), somebody put some pressure on Max and he decided he wanted to do it and go.

Good luck to him, he’s done well for us.

Yes, it’s a bit disappointing, but there’s nothing we could have done.

While Max has gone, I’m sure we’ll still be bringing people in. In this league, you are allowed five players on emergency loans. But when it happened as quickly as it did with Max, you can’t do a lot at that point. You can’t just pull a rabbit out of a hat and bring a certain player in.

Obviously, we thought he was staying, but now he’s gone and now Simon and his staff have got to get their heads down and see what we need. But we will be strengthened, there’s no question about that, I’m sure.

We have signed five players this season, while we always knew this could be a big season for Adam Clayton and Ramon Nunez. We had them out on loan last year and watched their progress and were very impressed by what we’d seen and knew they’d come into the equation. There’s Paddy Kisnorbo as well.

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02 Sep 2011 16:09:24
Lucianooo Bechiooo Lucianooo Bechioo Lucianooo Bechiooo Lucianooo Bechioo.


OS says hes coming along nicely

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02 Sep 2011 16:03:58
I think the yorkshire evening post should do a fans survey/ on leeds united

There is alot of disgruntled and angry fans on here including me !

1.Are you happy with Ken Bates running Leeds Utd ?

2.Is Simon Grayson the right manager for leeds Utd ?

3.Which things are you happy with the club ?

4.Which things aren't you happy with the club ?

Etc Etc

We pay our hard earned money towards the club and we expect to be treated better

ED or anybody else who has contacts at YEP,please'forward to them

ED Do you h

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We should do our own survey...why are there so many a**eholes constantly whining about Bates or Grayson?why doesnt fans realise were a championship club not able to spend millions like the big boys,with what we have had available we have done very well,yes a few naff signings but even the Don had his fair share of them,Bates and Grayson will come good,and all without bankrupting us,so shut the f*** up about stupid surveys,enough said.

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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Being in a stable financial position
4. Pathetic idiots like you who need to get a grip

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So you would rather have Bates in charge with no investment or a multi millionaire bank rolling us back into the prem it's the only way teams will gain success full stop,it's not football but big business now {Ed025's Note - unfortunately ...your right!..

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It only applies to the priviliged few like Man City,Chelsea and the like,teams like QPR,Norwich and Swansea went up without being mega rich,the knack is having the resources to stay there,when a side like Stoke can spend 10 million on a player it shows what were up against,Im afraid were stuck with Bates and co for the near future,theres no mega rich Arabs forming a queue to buy him out,for me its about the team and the fans,support the boys and quit all this Bates and Grayson out,he will only go when hes ready,yes SG has made mistakes but hes a good record,with what hes had to work with hes done well,at least he has the balls to stay and try and finish what he started,give credit where credits due.

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"So you would rather have Bates in charge with no investment or a multi millionaire bank rolling us back into the prem it's the only way teams will gain success full stop,it's not football but big business now"

Okay most of us would agree with having a multimilllionaire in charge, so please can you arrange it? Otherwise quit moaning and get on with supporting what we do have, and stop dreaming about something that isn't likely to happen?

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1. No
2. Definately
3. making a profit when most clubs make a loss
4. The transfer policy and being lied to

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Yes
definitely not
bates being the chairman/owner
grayson being the manager

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02 Sep 2011 14:50:41
Does Ken Bates think that all Leeds United fans are mushrooms? Kept in the dark and fed sh*t...

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Read the Leeds United website theres a article about simons transfer

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No he doesnt,only some of them.

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02 Sep 2011 14:49:02
Time to be positive we played crap against Southampton rest of matches have not been bad apart from crap refs, we will be there or there abouts at end of season. Weve got good players and some good young lads coming through, if we can get a couple of good loan players who will help us and might want a permant move in January. Ken Bates is here to stay I dont like the bloke but we can do our protests and it means note to him he has had it all before. We cant get rid of Simon he is the best we can get and anyway what other manager would come with Bates in charge(s**t nearly went off on one about Bates) So lets look forward to the next few matches 6 points next two home matches, knock scum out and a weekend at the seaside, great been a Leeds fan MOT

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What a deluded fool you are..

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02 Sep 2011 13:54:56
All businesses have their stake holders. Without each stake holder pulling their weight and being recognised as doing so. No business works.

Ken Bates please take notice, arguably the biggest stake holders in LUFC are the fans. So please explain why they are treated like simpletons by you, kept in the dark and still expected to turn up every week and spend their hard earned cash.

Tick - Tock Ken time to listen I think !! Bully boy tactics are so last century Ken.

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02 Sep 2011 13:50:07
Lets face Grayson is not upto the job - anyone who takes 'I'm tired' McCartney on loan TWICE is seriously flawed in his judgement. What club allows first choice players to leave without buying better OR ANY replacements. Come Larry wheres the plan -you are severly testing our patience with your 'scribble some names on a fag packet' style of management.

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We are all entitled to our opinions . . . mine is prob the exact opposite of yours. He tried hard to get perm signings in, it just didn't work out. As for McCartney, well fair enough, nobody is perfect (im not just talking about Larry, lol!)

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So west ham have signed him because he crap!!

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We had Jason Puncheon agreed to join us actually. He let us down is all.

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Jason Puncheon was never going to join he's a quality player.

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He had agreed to join, that's a fact, whether we were his fallback or not, Grayson had him lined up

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02 Sep 2011 12:22:45
wouldnt have wanted Puncheon - he is big trouble nor 'big time' bentley, nor big headed wannabe Lansbury ! nor anton Ferdinand ! these players love London for the cocktails and birds so let em have it -
A lucky escape that we 'missed out' -
a waste of our good money
It is young players with passion for the game like Clayton is what we need not other peoples left overs who have burnt their bridges elsewhere.
But Worrying to think this is who we wanted to sign . Larry sort it out - three class young U21 internationals from Prem clubs on loan please - plenty available too. We need pace all over the park now. Id get Andy King off Sven and then Arsenal Liverpool Man City young lads only .... this will happen next week i think ..... loans can work !

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Sorry for this, you wouldn't take PROVEN Prem/Champ quality players like Puncheon, Bentley, Lansbury or Ferdinand! Happy you are not in SG's seat.
Young players who have burnt "bridges" like clayton, clayton didn't burn bridges, man city have no room for youth development, players who burn bridges tend not to be good for the harmony of a team. again happy your not in SG's seat.
We want three class youngers, when everyone (but you) realised we lacked experience last your you want to go and buy unproved, not got a clue 19 year old... well done, again glad you are not in SG's seat. {Ed045's Note - I think you mis-read, he meant players like Bentley and Ferdinand that had burnt their bridges.

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Who rattled your bars ? and read it again - if you would sign Puncheon ( proven ? ) and Anton then pleased you arent in the hot seat

Clayton is excellent as I said - read it again
The need for pace is obvious - you f=dont get that from older players

I was Lansbury's biggest fan and been posting on here for him to come - but reality is hes a london lad and NOT interested in Leeds as a team or a culture
Players who dont know their history and appreciate the mythology and philosophy behind this city's team and the fans are not welcome here in my book - so yes, Lansbury you had the offer but said no twice - so NO thanks END OF
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02 Sep 2011 10:22:48
well bates has said that the money we got for gradel goes straight into a pot for SG! so will everyone stop moaning and saying bates out! If any1 needs to go its SG coz he aint spending the money! I honestly believe that SG has a nice tidy sum to spend if you include the kasper cash and owt else bates has put in!

Bates aint as tight as every1 thinks! SG is just slow off the mark and keeps missing out!

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I'll believe it when I see it. "It" being a half-decent player who signs for us.

I won't hold my breath in January.

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Still think that part of the problem is the behind the scenes goings on between Bates and Grayson and that Bates is making Grayson suffer, eventually leading to him walking out, which is what Bates wants him to do.

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These conspiracy theories are pathetic,there is none,he tried and failed to bring players in as did every other manager,money IS available,and he had no option but to sell Max,expect some good loan signings soon,Becchio is nearing fitness and 2 or 3 signings and were as good as anybody in this league,FFS give him a break.

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02 Sep 2011 09:57:15
Bates finally disclosed fee for gradel, 1.75 million. What a joke this is becoming so much for wanting 10 million.

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We was never gonna get more than 5 mil at most because clubs no they could of had him at the end of the season for free.

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This club aint run correctly,egg on the face on all concerned
Beckford goes for a free and Leicester buy him for 4 million
Gradel under 2 million
It borders laughable

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He meant 10 million rupees, I think. Not pounds.

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"This club aint run correnctly"?

You I am afraid to say are indeed a fool. I take it you applaud what risdale did to our club? I take it you want Leeds to spend what they have not got? I take it you want to see us drop down division after division because of administration after administration?
If you dont like the fact our club is run correctly, and that is, with "it's means" and KB refuses to spend what he has not got, then in the politest manner I can, F-Off and support that sh*te across the way! Fool!
MOT with REAL LEEDS FANS!

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I think it was actually 1.75 million after everybody else had had there share. EG as stated 17.5% for leicester city, 5% to the football league, whatever stupid figure we ended up paying the agent who was flogging Max around europe and etc. Probably take the actual purchase price to around 2.5-3 mil, which isn't too bad for a player who has never played at the top level, only had one actual full season of playing for a first team, was in the last year of his contract and who was although an excellent player, when he didn't play well he was absolutely awful.

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Play nicely girls

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Well said that man,Im afraid some of our fans have the IQ of a lettuce,we are not in debt,there is money for players,so get behind em and stop slagging em off at every opportunity,UNITED.

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It was Beckfords goals that got us promoted ,we sacrificed a transfer fee in the hope he did just that,suppose you would rather Gradel left for nowt as well eh.

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02 Sep 2011 09:56:38
We should not be worried...

Why do all Leeds fans seem to be worried about the lack of transfer activity? The only decent player who left us was Gradel, and I for one, would prefer loan signings who want to come in and prove a point to their parent clubs.

If certain players don't want to come and play for Leeds, and would rather go and warm the bench at QPR or wherever, stuff em'!

After 13 matches last season, we were 16th in the league, and were struggling somewhat (after losing 4 of the previous 5 matches) and yet we were almost in the playoffs come the end of the season. We now know who is staying at the club, and that'll help settle the players down, and with 2 wins coming up against Palace and Bristol City, we will rise up the league no problem. Have faith....

MOT - wms

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Love your positive thinking. roll on the play off final Wembley 2012 then!!

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Absolutely and completely agree! I'm sick of seeing negativity everywhere. You've got half the people moaning we're a selling club, whilst the other half moan we let people run out their contracts, half the people thinking we only sign players who are past it, and the other half thinking we don't have enough experience. People complain Bates and Grayson never tell them anything, then when they do they complain it's all lies with nothing to contradict it! We have a great young exciting 1st team and I don't think personally we need any marque signings. Maybe get a couple in to firm up where the sqaud is a bit light, but withstanding a massive injury crisis we should manage with what we've got until christmas at least. Nothing is ever won or lost in august and really one poor game and two poor refs and we'd all be looking at a different story of the month. MOT

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Excellent posting mate,totally agree,theres far too many moaning minnies on here,the first team IS better than last year and as you said,2 or 3three quality signings ans were laughing,theyd even moan if Revie was in charge,we will come good,its only a matter of time,support the lads,see where we are at xmas.

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Thanks for that - I thought I was probably right ;) wms

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02 Sep 2011 09:41:50
We missed out on Puncheon! That would of been a good deal

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02 Sep 2011 09:05:53
Well done Simon Grayson on yet another bullsh*t story, if u had the money why leave it until the last day of the window, but yep good business were now 3 player lighter than before, i play football im 20 years of age and fit maybe i can pop up and have a game.

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You'll have to pay your own bus fare.

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Perhaps he had to sell before he brough, perhaps the right deals didn't come about untill then, fact is really we have lost one players as bassone and grella were never going to feature, and they let gradle go to boost funds and the fact Nunez is showing more promise and can easily fill his boots.

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02 Sep 2011 08:42:44
Accept the inevitable. With KB, Harvey and SG at the club we are doomed to lower table mediocrity in The Championship. I can see no evidence of a business plan and football strategy that adds up to a coherent way forward. Bates just wants to milk the club for his own advantage and will sell anybody if he thinks there is interest from other clubs. Snodgrass, Somma, Nunez and Becchio next, with Howson not far behind. With the servile and spineless Grayson too scared to come out and state that the job is impossible with the financial constraints put on him, and frightened of getting his P45, we are becoming a static, faltering club. A one team city with a population of 750,000 meekly accepting this dross is getting beyond a joke. We must act now and stop accepting the drivel that the KB apologists constantly produce. The only thing he will understand is being hit in the pocket - boycott replica kit, matches and whatever else it takes. We must take a stand - the morons jibe was the last straw for me. As for Bates he rewrites his own history to suit himself and is obviously a deluded megalomaniac. The revenge of the true Chelsea fan continues.......

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Mate, you are not a moron, you are a fan of the club who like me is well and truly peed off at the way its being run at the moment. Lets make our feelings known before the the Palace game next weekend, then once the game starts get behind the lads and cheer them onto victory

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First post, moron, second slight moron.

I am as frustrated as anyone when it comes to transfers, but they cannot do anymore than they are already doing, as said, and it makes sense just you fools cant see it, it's only when player a is signed that we then get our fringe player b, who has dropped in the clubs pecking order to c, and leeds for one cannot control that.
as for no business plan, the reason for stadium development is so leeds get more money each season releasing more for transfer funds. make perfect business sense.

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Third post - apologist bullsh*te for KB and his buddies. Talk is cheap pal - what are you prepared to do to save this club from plunging deeper into obscurity? Just sit on your butt and post platitude ridden rubbish " we must trust the club, they know what they are doing, blah, blah, blah ad infinitum". Idiots like you deserve mediocrity.

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His point is we are not plunging anywhere, we are building strongly for the long term stability and success of the club. We will not relegated this season, in 3 years time you'll find we're a phenomenal championship club if not a premiership club, hopefully having been sold on by then.

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02 Sep 2011 01:59:01
Okay in Grayson we trust yes, but why did he/ Shaun harvey not wrap up the 3 transfer they wanted long ago, he's known for a while what's be needed why wait, we did with Gradel and now need a replacement! It's poor planning from Leeds on a whole! However I feel this is down to
Bates been a tight old get, who needs to leave

According to gardian, notts forest could of had gradel for 2 million the price tag we set, if that true then it's a joke a championship rival could have one of our star players for that little, also werent west ham told to triple there bid of 1.5 mill... Bates leave, Harvey leave...new board let grayson do his thing,

What would the Don say about all this?

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Its has they both say you hav to wait for players to be available, ie other teams have to do there business and get players in before they release there players. big clubs in premiership only decide today who they want and who they dont. hopefully we see some good loan signings, sg says on interview he was looking at 4 lichay and puncheon where two, who are both good quality so hopefully fore next game we should get some in mot

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My thoughts exactly

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02 Sep 2011 00:53:27
No money for players, we got no money for players, no money for players...we got no money for players...

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Rubbish-you've no idea what you're talking abou clown shoes

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Chin up, got a cracking East Stand though.

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02 Sep 2011 00:47:14
The Don must be turning in his grave at Bates & Grayson antics. Help us from heaven Don!

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How many of our deals fall down at the last hurdle? it seems the deals are agreed between the clubs, but then it comes down to personal terms and the player sees what we are offering and says no thanks and the deal is dead. How predictable were SG and KB's interviews yesterday?

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It took the Don 8 years before he got anything decent. he built a TEAM from the ground up with little money. So he would probably be happy with the way things are going.

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02 Sep 2011 00:20:37
ok were all pee'd off at the minute and its good to have a bit of banter between us leeds supporters and give flack to the chairman and manager from time to time but i think we need to get behind the team now regardless cos its the boys on the pitch doing the job at the end of day MARCHING ON TOGETHER! ring a bell?? come on the leeds! LEEDS LEEDS LEEDS!!

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Well said, we are not the only team to be suffering this, deal agree for puncheon was 1 million so we have cash spare. remember clayton came on loan too, and then very cheap so not a bad way to do business

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Have we got enough players ?

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02 Sep 2011 00:10:10
When Billy Davies found his efforts to get Forest promoted hampered by the board he spoke out and made the fans aware,he did a great job and made the play offs. Forest failed in the play offs and sacked a very talented manager ...... who had a set of balls

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Graysons efforts are not being hampered by the board,money is available,just bad luck we didnt succeed in bringing anyone in,or would you rather us live beyond our means again,been there done that,FFS talk sense.

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