Leeds Banter Archive December 31 2014

 

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31 Dec 2014 19:56:05
A quote from Redfearn following the Derby game "I think we've got an eleven, but as far as options go were limited in wide areas". This says to me that even if we have wing options Redfearn will persist with current players and tactics until we are losing then he may make changed. Totally deluded

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31 Dec 2014 19:04:39
2014
For me Best home game Udders at home Jan, best away Birmingham end of last season.
As for worst don't know where to start.

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31 Dec 2014 19:49:35
All the best for 2015 Eds and LUFC fans.
We have been wishing & hoping for better times for so long. If only next year could be the one.

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31 Dec 2014 17:16:13
I think we need to give Montenegro a chance and also bring sloth back in the squad. Also let Del Fabro have a chance and ditch the diamond formation

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Completely agree. Del Fabro looks a tall defender which we could do with.

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Yes. Diamonds are not necessarily forever. M needs to make an appearance

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31 Dec 2014 16:53:28
Surely its tome for Sloth and Montenegro to get some game time. Why did he bring Sharp on last night yet kept the diamond?? I didn't want Redfearn to get the job so you can probably imagine how I feel right now about him.

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Clutching at straws mate
In deeper than that
Waaaaaay deeper!

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31 Dec 2014 16:48:28
Said from the off Redfearn was not the one to take the first team forward. At the time it was be careful what you wish for as you might get it. Redfearn has limited vision, plan A but not plan B, can't change a game when its not going right and has too much faith in the collection of youngsters he has available. Playing the youngsters together in mid field with only Bianchi to support them is asking too much. Playing Austin at the forward tip of the diamond is also a mistake. Whatever fans think he is the only one who generally doesn't get bullied or pushed off the ball easily and has the power and strength to make his presence felt. I know his shortcomings but watching the others, to various degrees, being pushed around was painful - for everyone. I like Antelucci but he was eased off the ball too many times as were the others. We still need strength and Quality in mid field, a consistent and commanding centre half and a change in the system to incorporate a winger. Sharp is not the answer at the moment. He needs to be played into goal scoring positions. We are not doing it. Balls high into the box are no good to him. Morison just isn't good enough. As for Antelucci - see Sharrp. Until we get it right which we don't look like doing any time soon, we will continue to lose out even on the days it looks like we are playing ok. One set back and its heads down. Reluctant to call for Redfearn to go because we've had too many changes and instability but its a bit of a catch 22 - Damned if you do; Damned if you don't. Interesting times to come but I'm not looking forward to league 1 so I hope somebody at ER gets their finger out before its too late and gets some fresh faces in who can actually make a difference and stand their corner in the English league.

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31 Dec 2014 16:23:27
Im first 2015 post
Redders out! Now!
Mc. Learn the english way
Mc. Learn the champ way
Mc. Learn or it will cost you
No more cheap imports
No more clueless coaches
Get your act together or go and have dinner with gfh and bates
U have passion and a good heart but get your brain sorted!

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Happy new year Aus

What's the weather like over there?

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Fing hot
39 degrees today
Bugger this.
Im coming home! Lol!!

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Happy New Year Aussie.
Has your boomerang come back yet?

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Happy new year Ausman, Sunderland away Sun, it'll be cold and bleak, got to keep the white flag flying.

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31 Dec 2014 15:55:50
Does anyone know for certain if we have a sell on clause for Delph? I think we have 20%, but I'm not 100% sure. I'm just wondering as if he goes for big money in the window as muted, we could make a large sum and that would help with FFP accounting for this year.

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{Ed001's Note - all transfers now include a percentage to the team or teams who brought them through the academy. Something like 5% if I remember rightly.}

31 Dec 2014 14:56:35
It seems quite disingenuous to blame Cellino for our current plight however he is the route cause. The squad did require a revamp however to bring a significant number of inexperienced players (particularly with no experience of the championship) showed no comprehension of how difficult the championship is. Recruitment of players continues to not address the frailties of our squad, case in point, we are being linked to signing a defensive midfielder (okay) and 2 strikers. Most sensible fans believe that we need a strong centre back, an experienced midfielder and wingers. The disregard Cellino has for the head coach role is reflected in the recruitment decisions he has made, in effect 'Yes' men who are cheap to employ and cheap to sack. This point leads to the current head coach Neil Redfearn. I did not believe and still do not believe that Redfearn has the knowledge or experience to manage/coach the first team. He is inflexible both in his playing style and the players within it. He has a core set of players who he refuses to drop irrelevant of how they play. He restricts himself to utilising approx. 16 squad players and bemoans not having options despite the fact we have one of the biggest squads in the division. He is probably the easiest coach to read, in the Championship, before a game with regards to formation, selection and substitutions. He offers little motivation on the touchline during a game (generally stands there like a stuffed dummy) and can only make substitutions to react to the opposition which is generally in the form of a like for like switch. He has had weeks to attempt to address our weaknesses i.e. defending crosses, but we seem to get worse. All Redfearn can do is tell the fans how the style of football was better than it was under Milanic. I struggle to understand if Redfearn is stubborn or simply deluded, either way he is clearly out of his depth. Unfortunately Redfearn has become unsackable as there is no-one available to take over the squad in the short term if Redfearn stepped down and due to Cellino's management not many quality coaches are prepared to work within his regime

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Top post Nottswhite, couldn't agree more

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31 Dec 2014 17:11:36
Sad but true. To not cause uproar and destabilize even more he should be kept on til may then quietly go. Enter a proper manager at that time. I believe Redders will still keep us up even though he is clueless.

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31 Dec 2014 14:16:40
I know it's things that happen on the field that are most worrying to us. But is it only me, or does anyone else think the new Director appointment is bizarre at best and very worrying at worst?

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It's ludicrous
We have a head coach that gets given players by this Nicolas Salerno and is told to play a certain way by CelliNO and as fans we can only voice are opinion against the head coach
As CelliNO and his mate sit upstairs in there ivory tower
The chairman can sack the head coach
But who can sack the chairman
#cellinoout#celliNO

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I was actually meaning the new director who was appointed today

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31 Dec 2014 14:02:36
so diamond shape not working but looks more like polo shape hole in the middle got other players not used but keeps same group and just hoping it comes right

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31 Dec 2014 13:27:38
After 50 odd years of watching leeds I conclude we are a basket case and was thinking we could form a basket case league, 4 teams for starters
Us
Rangers
Portsmouth
Coventry
Who else?

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{Ed001's Note - Stockport County? In whatever form they are now, Newport County too.}

Wimbledon

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Chester
Luton

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Grimsby

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31 Dec 2014 11:30:54
Redders out now. There I've said it!
New year new coach new plan!

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Totally agree Ausman, Redfearn will take us down. Last nights game showed how poor he is at managing the team. Adryan who caused Derby so many problems when we played them at home left on the bench. Mowatt and Bianchi substituted at half time in last game both recalled, and Doukara who looks lost on the park and as for heading a ball his boots look has though there nailed to the ground selected instead of Sharp or Morison. Any coach of quality would realise that the diamond formation does not work for us. We are easily sussed out and our defence just panics when under pressure which is for a good part of the game. Not one shot on target last night how don't know how they expect Antenucci to do it all on his own. Still half the season to go and every game will now be a cup final it's time for a change in management if we are to survive in this division.

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31 Dec 2014 13:59:52
could of got Houghton but mc won't pay high wages for manager/coach

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Well I've supported Redders all along, and actually said he should have been given a chance from the beginning, since MC was insistent on having a 'coach'. But coupled with the fact that I don't actually think most of our existing players are that bad, I'm struggling to back quite a lot of his selection and tactical decisions. I also said he should be given the rest of the season - but I didn't mean if that would lead us back to division one!

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Ausman their is only one person to blame for the mess we are in & that is Cellino, he has had three opportunities of appointing the right coach & he has got it badly wrong on two occasions & for me the jury is out on Redfearn, if he sacks Redders who in their right mind will want to work for somebody who would have sacked 4 managers in less than 10 month's. For the good of the club he needs to allow Redfearn to do his job & allow him to choose the players he wants. Cellino is obviously a very astute successful business man, however he has shown he knows nothing about players (this has been proved by the signings he made in the summer, with the exception of Adryan & Sharp all for me have proved to be not up to the task of getting us out of the mess we are in). Cellino needs to stick by Redfearn & allow him to bring in the players he wants, Cellino should stick to the day to Day running of the club. If Cellino continues in the same way I am afraid there is a real chance of being relegated & possibly administration, we as loyal fans deserve a lot more than the current team is giving us.

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Shag
I agree
See my post below
But
Mc has money and is the boss
He needs to change his ways but
Redders has enough players at his disposale to get into play offs
Bugger off to youth team redders!

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No he hasn't.

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31 Dec 2014 11:06:51
So Redfearn looking to freshen things up (yep) with new signings? Why, when he has Del Fabro, Montenegro, Sloth, Taylor, Killock, Walters, Morison, Benedicic etc. If he brings in new blood (and plays them) then what does it say to the squad, some of whom have not had a kick yet?
He should first look at his system (Plan B again) and his decision making.
If he wants to bring anybody in then unless he is a true, true diamond (from Serie B?) then he should look at a muck and bullets defender with experience and a big gob. The talent is there it just needs leading.
I remeber back in the dark days of dogfights it was pointed out then that the fancy foreign loan signings did not have the heart for a scrap.

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31 Dec 2014 10:03:20
One of the main problems is that no one is running the team on the pitch.

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31 Dec 2014 09:30:20
Ok fellow Mighty Whites. You heard it hear first.
Hot Rumour 1. Leeds may manage a 0-0 draw in the next 10 Games!
Hot Rumour 2. Leeds may be getting a shot on target in the Very next game!
Hot Rumour 3. (Don't quote me on this tho) A Leeds player may be considering showing some heart and passion in the coming games!!
Hot Rumour 4. Redders is close to obtaining a "Plan B"
Now I'm not saying all these miracles will happen immediately but Hey. Christmas is a time for believing in MIRACLES!!!
Happy new year fellow whites! MOT.
P.s. Hot rumour 5 was relating to us getting a win. But like the sprouts you had on your Xmas dinner. Nobody would swallow that one!!

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31 Dec 2014 08:54:30
I have to say this is the worst Leeds united team I have seen since the mid eighties and its Cellino's fault. Ok the guys got passion but he has brought in 14 players hardly any with championship experience. Despite what some say we cannot keep the ball for more than 4 passes unless its across the back. Bianchi, Doukarra, Austin, Berluscci are useless. Two of those are midfielders leaving two promising but inexperienced midfielders to try and control a game. It won't work! We need a major overall but with the transfer embargo we can't. A big strong striker who can hold the ball is needed. An experienced midfielder needed to help Mowatt and Cook. A big 6 foot 6 no none sense centre back would help. I can see us going down. Don't shoot me but this might be a good thing. Build a new young team like did with their kids. Silverstri, Byram, Taylor, Cook, Mowatt, Dawson, Walters, etc. come back up with a moulded team and take the championship by storm.

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I agree with some of what you say, but certainly not about it “being good for us to go down” Stupid-Ar*e comment in my opinion. However, a few points, just to play devil’s advocate.

1) We certainly don't want to go back to where we were a year or two ago with Papa Smurf GFH. For me, that position was worse than where we are today, despite the table position.

2) I'm not sure I'd call Bianchi, Doukarra, Austin and Berluscci "useless". They're better at football than I am (although they are half my age!) I don't think it's fair to call them useless because they're not (currently) cutting it in the Championship.

3) Cellino has bought a load of debts, but also managed to buy an almost entirely new team, which to be fair, we desperately needed (seriously, we DID!). With this new team, and the youth we're playing, you're buying into "inexperience". Experience only comes with time. In this case, minutes on the pitch. I would much rather have the team we have now, rather than a bunch of 30 to 35 year old "experienced" players, who can't cut it because they're too old (in footballing terms).

I suppose my point is, we've got some real talent, but they're on a very steep learning curve. It's not the academy any more. It's not the Italian league 2 any more. They should be given time (1 full season, minimum) to learn, and eventually become the "experienced" players we all want. I’ll put my nuts on the block and say, “We’re not going down this season”. We’ll survive and march on. That’s what makes us Leeds United.

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Sorry southern softie have to agree with the original post, having watched every game this season it has become very clear the players bought in by Cellino are not up to the task & are simply not good enough. After last nights game Redfearn said we needed some help & needed some players with championship experience & yet we are again being linked with mediocre talent from abroad. It pains me to say so but we are a worse side than last year & their is only one person to blame that is Cellino.

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Have to agree shag
CelliNO is the man accountable for us in this mess
People will point to previous regimes but live in the here and now
He is ruining are football club from the inside with his egotistical ways
#cellinooout#celliNO

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31 Dec 2014 08:42:12
Still too disappointed to post after last night's disgrace but here goes anyway. Love MC's passion & vision (cos without him we were screwed thanks to ken & gfh) but his plans have got major flaws imo. He & NS are bringing players in who are not what we need. Because of the position we're in we now need English grit to avoid disaster & I just don't see any. The coach can only work with the players he has & therein lies the problem. I'm usually very positive but unless we change strategy we may be doomed to R. Coaches don't work in England but managers do.Rant over but still too disappointed to post!

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{Ed001's Note - Mourinho is not Chelsea's manager mate, nor was Ancelotti etc. Pellegrini at Man City is another example. Sorry but your reasoning about coaches not working is based on ignorance.}

No morino did not buy torres the owner did. enough said.

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{Ed001's Note - how is that enough said? Jose never bought Diego Costa or Didier Drogba either, are you going to claim they were bad signings? Nemanja Matic, Cesc Fabregas etc etc all signed by the club for Jose, not by him. I don't understand the point in your comment, unless it is to show you don't understand the situation?}

31 Dec 2014 13:04:01
Chelsea & City can buy the worlds best players to coach. Shall we agree to differ ed? Happy New Year!

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{Ed001's Note - I don't see the relevance. It still works there. It is not about having a manager or a coach, it is about having a GOOD manager or coach in charge was my point.

Happy New Year to you too.}

The other DON made leeds into the leeds we know shankley made liverpool and busby made man u. all these managers had something in common.

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31 Dec 2014 08:02:55
i've woken up in a bad mood! I know, I'll sack someone and blame McLaren.

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31 Dec 2014 03:37:58
Redfern out, looked like a little boy lost last night, no idea and the players are the same, this is the worst team we have had in years led by a clueless coach. Big, big changes needed. League 1 here we come

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31 Dec 2014 02:25:21
Ok. I don't get to see many games so I go off on site opinion
Is their a succesful champ or prem team that has a coach and not a manager?
I agree mc has passion and a will to succeed but
His choice of players seem flawed. Promising without delivering, is it the english winter? Or too many games maybe? Some are good enough but not consistent!
His choice of paying low wages and good bonuses is refreshing to throwing money at waste of times but will it get the players we need.
His choice of coaches is poor ( and yes redders has to go. No way jose, is he getting us out this mess. With him 100% doomed! ). Again this may be due to wage structure. Have we had a good one apply for the vacancy yet?
I think mc has to look again at the way he is running the club. Maybe get a good 2 yr manager to get us out this mess and rethink then. He has to adapt to get us in prem else he is going to lose money.

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31 Dec 2014 00:34:38
Can't believe the subs. System not working so just change a striker for a striker. Same system.????????????
Not creating so bring the creative guy on far too late????
Should have changed straight after the 2nd goal and threw some rubbish in there direction
If things don't change they'll stay as they are! As my dad always told me.
Bloody clueless

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30 Dec 2014 23:58:44
Well done lads we made derby look like Brazil. It's not a case of where is the next goal coming from more where is the next shot at goal coming from.

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30 Dec 2014 23:27:28
Sean St Ledger on a free
Dean Hammond on loan from Leicester

That's two experienced Championship campaigners within the FFP embargo remits.

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Good shout SG and throw in Keith Andrews to add a bit of nous to the midfield.

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