Leeds Banter Archive February 03 2014

 

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03 Feb 2014 21:17:26
Hey Ed - if the Cellino deal just needs FL ratification can you tell us show long that should take plz? Secondly if a deal has been done as reported on Friday can GFH sell to anyone else other than Cellino at this stage now?
For my vote Cellino is the man I would like to takeover. We need him and his money and his football passion. I think it would be a great loss if it all falls through now. He got it all wrong sacking Brian but hopefully he has seen what we the fan s think of Brian and hopefully they can all move on as one! I think this new consortium with so many different businessmen would be the wrong choice.
I will probably get shot down here but that's just my view! Still we all march on together whoever new owns Leeds. PA

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{Ed013's Note - It would only be a matter of days for the approval as long as all the paperwork is there. as for speaking to other bidders, until the deal is signed and complete they can speak to anyone}

According to Cellino on ssn he has already paid the cash, surely that stops GFH from being able to talk to anyone else?

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"According to Cellino on tv he has already paid the cash, surely that stops GFH from being able to talk to anyone else?"

Not until the contracts are signed by BOTH parties.

Never heard of 'gazumping'?

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03 Feb 2014 21:37:30
next episode of east ellanders cellino beaten to buying club by joint rival bid in last min then! rival bidders fight for overall control of leeds then!! brian found crying in papa smurfs arms saying " so u really are my father "!! music from enders starts DUM DUM DER DER DER DER! LOL MOT nicky bee

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03 Feb 2014 21:18:26
As I see it this is the way it is. Living in Northern Ireland I'm a long way from Leeds but sometimes it's good to get an different perspective. Born in the early sixtys I came up throughout the glory years. We were always a top six club and very often number one. There were Leeds fans a plenty all over Ulster. Maybe the 5th or 6th most supported club. I only knew 1 Man City fan. George Best ensured the other Manchester club were well supported. Then you had the Glasgow clubs which had massive support for more than football reasons. The eighties were awful, the nineties and early naughties we're great and we were right up there again. We are still regarded as a big club over here but there are no kids with Leeds shirts anymore. This means the time is now. No time for 5 year plans. We can't afford that amount of time. We need to get back to the premiership sharpish. Sports capital, GFH, and the Farnan outfit are all piss poor and potless. We will have weeks of talking and secrecy and due diligence while all the uncertainty effects the team. Cellinio, given the opportunity will go for it. He's a business man, he knows the premiership is more lucrative than Seria A. I reckon he will sell Galgari given all the problems he's had around their stadium where he can only get 5000 fans in for a home came at the moment. I understand than Leeds fans want integrity at the core of the club after Ken Bates but integrity doesn't buy much and the time is short. So Cellinio's integrity is an issue but when you understand that the damage was done while trying to assist Galgari through the mire of Italian bureaucracy maybe you have a passionate football man trying his best for his club, a passionate football man with cash!. As for Brian McDermott, what a bloke. He has all the integrity in the world and his position now will be very strong as Cellinio has already listened to Leeds fans and will know we want him to get a fair go with proper backing. For me McDermott is the perfect foil to reign in the raging bull Italian when required. Maybe we have a match forged in the furnace of Fridays eruption that will finally awaken the sleeping giant and unite the Greatest of all UNITEDS.

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Agree with you mate. cellini has money to buy and invest into top players. the other consortium only has money to buy and no more. give the italian a chance

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Spot on! Agree with everything you say. We need people who can invest hundreds of millions not a million here or there. We need the ground buying back and a new west stand building ASAP. Not interested in five or ten year plans.

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"We need the ground buying back and a new west stand building ASAP. Not interested in five or ten year plans."

Suggest you try and get Ridsdale back then?

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Leeds fan from Dublin, born in the same era. Everything the Opening poster has said rings true here aswell. Most Leeds fans you see over here now are well over thirty with very few young lads wearing the Leeds colours. They used to be seen everywhere in the 70's and 80's. Things have got to change . and quickly.

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03 Feb 2014 21:06:57
see if I got this right.
1. italian makes bid which is accepted by gfh and money deposited in bank. now waiting football league approval.
2. gfh now want to talk to farnan who was supposed to have funds all ready but now wants to join with flowers who spent months saying he had funds but then could not come up with them. does not sound as if that's been thought through very well.
3.partnerships don't work everyone falls out because one side always has a bigger say than the other
4. guess who loses out . lufc surprise surprise.
5. back where we started on our a*se

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Can the consortium buy back Elland Rd, clear our debts and invest in quality players, I for one don't think so if they have to club together to buy us in the first place, what chance have they got, very little, we need serious money and I think only Cellino can provide it.

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03 Feb 2014 20:55:09
Strange thing. Sports Capital confirmed that they had revised their original bid (presumably downwards) which led to GFH looking for an alternative. Enter Massimo.

Now Sports Capital are stating they will match the Massimo bid. Looks like a p*ss poor piece of brinksmanship the failed big style.

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03 Feb 2014 20:31:33
As everything on here seems to be about the takeover or McDermott.

The loan window is going to re-open in a few days, I would like us to go in for Graham Dorrans and Connor Wickham, to add something to the squad for the final third and push for the play offs.

Think we could do with shifting out a few to clear the wage bill: Varney, Norris, White, Poleon, Thompson, Dawson, Diouf.

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I hope Varney goes. Previously I said I'd like to keep him, he did well against Leicester and we don't have many options up front but after hearing he is on 12k a week and his refusal to play v Ipswich, get him out now!

I don't think we need to get rid of Dawson, Poloen or Thompson, they won't have big contracts.

Also if you want rid of Varney, Poleon and Diouf you leave us with Ross/Matt up front and nobody else.

crmd

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I think we need 2 wingers and a goalscorer as a minimum.

Oh sorry, that was 3 months ago.

Good shout on Wickham, however I think he has been recalled so Poyet has cover and can take a look at him.

We may have to hit the european clubs, maybe Italy.

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With what money exactly? Gfh can't even afford the wage bill at the moment apparently, hence having to sell quickly, and even if they do it looks like the piggy bank raiding Pearson and co, so no money there either.

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What about Noel, or doesn't he count as a striker.

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Dawson and poleon would benefit from regular first time experience at league 1

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"With what money exactly?"

How do teams like Barnsley, Birmingham, Sheff Wed and Yeovil manage to bring in players on loan and try to show some ambition? I'm sick of using money as an excuse for not showing ambition, when other teams with less than us are prepared to.

Dawson, Poleon, Thompson is mostly for first team football (though I don't believe the last two are good enough to stay here beyond the summer), rather than wage saving.

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03 Feb 2014 20:27:03
Its all well and good bangin on bout the Italians money but surely we want some1 with the clubs interest at heart. when I started supporting Leeds the "all for one" mentality ran right thru the club. And if we're honest we need that more than ever.The manager needs backing to get players who'll run thru walls for us, and I do believe he is the right man for the job(he even took reading up did he mention it?), and we need to make elland rd the most intimidating place on earth again. We're Yorkshires republican army aren't we? MOT

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03 Feb 2014 21:25:53
Think he did mention it never mentions how he brought them back down!

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03 Feb 2014 22:16:54
Maybe because he didn't bring em back down. Adkins did.

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03 Feb 2014 20:16:53
I've just been reading McDermott interview from this afternoon, Brian talks about Leeds united been the fans club. I feel proud to be a Leeds fan and always will be no matter who runs it or owns the club. Brian is right in saying what he said, I know supporters of other teams have been threw problems and anguish of there own, but I suppose as a Leeds fan you just get used to it,
But one things for sure is that I respect Brian's comments and will follow my team for years to come, because I'm Leeds united and proud of it.

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03 Feb 2014 20:16:42
Can anyone tell me who involved in this joint rival bid to cellino's has any money to invest in new players, it still sounds like its being fronted by hajgh and flowers who have no money to speak of and are full of hot air, farnen has no money and is more bothered about his beloved utd. Being reported without cellino's takeover we face a transfer embargo, as gfh won't pay the last enstallment of 150,000. Wont haigh and his bunch of broke twits just love that. They'll have the club and run into the ground, just like papa smurf did. Come on everyone wake up and smell the f***ing coffee

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03 Feb 2014 20:07:06
sounds like the fuse has been lit, before it goes off, all of us are wondering what will happen.Chill out people, what will be will be.There will always be a club called leeds united. We will still be here whatever happens, youve seen it read it on the tv and in the news reports.Very passionate and loyal fans.stability is the key word.For the first time in a lot of years we all have the chance to get back to where we would like to be as fans, were not quite there with the right team yet, but foundations have definately been put in place.hail LEEDS FANS EVERYWHERE I for one salute you all!

together we will reach the promised land.


mot. noose58

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03 Feb 2014 19:54:11
This how I predict it will pan out - not rocket science: Cellino is home in Miami: Festa and his player ( poor lad ) on next flight home to italy tomorrow
Flowers and co new bid will be accepted by evening and everyone all trying to look as best as possible; Look harder though and 1. we have no new players in yet 2. this new consortium came together in desperation to fight a common enemy. have they any cash for buying back ER and for quality signings. i'm not so sure = welcome new boss same as the old boss? and we sit 12th? The passion of last saturday was driven by a host of chemicals - the professional and placid BM and Gibbs are astute and good men - BUT I do like a bit of passion in my Club - it creates atmospheres and reactions like last saturday! Shame we won't see it again unless i'm proved wrong.

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03 Feb 2014 19:42:20
Hi, I tried posting on the banter page not sure if it went through. I have accidentally ordered the wrong type of ticket will I be able to get it changed? Thanks

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{Ed013's Note - What is the ticket for?}

03 Feb 2014 19:36:30
I think if Cellino had come in softly softly, left BMCD to get on with it for a while at least; kept Festa out of it totally; put some cash in and bought ER back we would all be ecstatic by now and craving for the FL to pass him as fit and proper. It is his antics and behavior that are turning most of us against him. His handling of the sacking and trying to get Festa (what the F*** has he ever done) into the club is scandalous. Neither he nor Festa knows the English game. Why would we want 4 or 5 very average Italians in the side at the expense of our academy products. Money talks but personally I would prefer an English owner who is prepared to speculate to accumulate. JD

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Wont ever happen mate. I juat want us back in the big time

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"I just want us back in the big time"

Me too, mate but NOT at ANY cost.

Certainly don't want someone who has not been convicted of Fraud once but TWICE with another case hanging over his head?

Don't think I'd put my money in a bank run by a known and convicted thief?

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03 Feb 2014 18:53:30
the only good thing to come out of this is the way brian mc handled himself thoughout all this mess top man

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Top man

not top manAGER

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He seems like a proper gent a great bloke to have as your gaffer hearing the twoddle most managers speak its great wehavebrian

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03 Feb 2014 20:29:27
He's got something that is missing from most folk today, decency. That's why we need him

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A credit to football and our club.

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03 Feb 2014 18:44:21
Why the hell don't GFH tell Festa to do one and whenever they are in charge to stay away from LU? They've done it with the lawyer that told McD he was fired so why not this interfering b*stard?
In McD I trust.
MOT

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03 Feb 2014 18:29:15
Cellinos deal has fallen through due to the FL unapproving his deal, sport capital and the farnan group are holding a meeting in london with gfh tomorrow MOT

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03 Feb 2014 18:23:31
I really can't believe people want a group with no money taking over leeds just because they say the right thing in paper please get a grip about Lucas redabe he was average at best

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I suggest you wash your mouth out son with comments like that about the chief!

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Lucas Radebe average? Think you're in a minority of one there my friend.

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You are either mad or a Manchester United fan. Radebe was and still is a legend. On top of that he is an honourable gent same as our Brian

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Is the OP a jealous Cellino, his lawyer, Rio or Woodgate. The chief was never average at anything even turned out to be a cracking keeper. Think i'm lying? Ask Scum, they pretty much said name your price. We told them they couldn't afford him.

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Say what you want bout anything. Free speach and all that but don't dis Lucas!!

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Lucas!! please accept our apoligy for comment!! nickybee

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03 Feb 2014 18:05:55
Cellino may not spend 20/30 million on each new signing at Cagliari but like another post says he has taken them from level 3 to top tear in Italy, also look at what pelligrini and El Thani did at malaga last year champions league 1/4 final 6 million they paid for golden boy Isco it shows it can be done if you have a good manager and support of good scouts and funds available .

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Malaga then went into huge financial trouble and had to sell all their assets, Js

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03 Feb 2014 18:05:07
Even if the consortium do match the Italians bid for 75%, they will NOT have the funds for spending that the Italian does. They have a 4 year plan to get back into the PL.well, remember Blackburn a few years ago had a 4 year plan to win the CL. and we all know they actually got relegated with the CL qualification not even on the radars maximum range. The Italian may not be ideal but give him a chance. he may bring us back to the most hated club in England (again) but I don't care!

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How can ghf even be allowed to talk to other parties they saud themselvrs deal done awaiting fl aproval. Surely they're breaching contract terms by talking with other partiea? Or maybr they're just trting to play on thr fans turning against cellino?(sports capital that is)

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A deal hasn't been done with Cellino, contracts have changed hands. GFH can talk to whoever they want in the meantime.

Think of it like selling a house. Someone can make a bid for it. You can talk to someone else whilst the original bidder is sorting out his mortgage incase it falls through.

(think of the mortgage as football league approval and the house as LUFC)

crmd

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03 Feb 2014 18:00:56
I hope Cellino buys Leeds - The amount of persecution he is facing from so called 'Leeds fans' and the media is disgraceful. I am embarrassed to be a Leeds fan by the sheer audacity of the parties berating Cellino.

1) Whatever happened to innocent till proven guilty? He faces charges not conviction.

2) McDermott has been walking a tight rope for a while, yet you mugs praise him as if he was a demigod - he is filling a short term position if results keep going the same way as those prior to Huddersfield.

3) These 'consortiums' do not have a proverbial pot to p**s in, why would anyone want them over a rich owner? Oh wait Radebe might be part of it, which has no bearing on how the club is run, it's just a gimmick to get you on their side.

I'm at the point where I just want this takeover limbo to end. Might as well of just kept Ken Bates if all you want is someone who has no cash, but wants to achieve promotion on just mere words alone.

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Hate to say it, but you make a very good case. Depends on how much fans want success.

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You are entitle to your opinion of course but you're only looking at the lira.
How can we trust an owner who sacks a manager and brings in a player without authority as he is not the owner and then denies it and tries to shift the blame?
I don't want him to be our owner but f it happens I will still get behind the team. MOT Ron.

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Quality post mate

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Spot on mate, I for one am with you. Roll on the good times.

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1) He's already been convicted twice and is now facing more charges and an upcoming trial

2) The teams been playing crap, we need new players in to boost things, the players we have are behind Brian, we need to keep him and give him support and money to spend. He got Reading up playing good football. He can do that for us.

3) How do you know these consortiums don't have money. Farnan has already mentioned he has a very wealthy backer. Adam Pearson is a wealthy man and he's involved. Farnans a great sports business man. He's a Leeds fan. Fair enough he worked for Manchester United but he was the commerical director for their far east divison and grew their name in Asia. He's held similar positions at other big name clubs like Sunderland, Parma and Atletico Madrid. He knows the business. Andy Flowers is a wealthy man too. Its come out tonight about other wealthy businessman from Liverpool being involved.

Just because Cellino is rich doesn't mean the guys in the consortiums arent.

crmd

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Whats the point of another takeover with no money to bring in Quality players? At least the Italian has money. MOT

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03 Feb 2014 17:59:24
This guy Cellino may have done a few bad things in the past with the sacking of coaches left right and centre and having a crime of fraud against his name about the expansion of a new stadium, which is hardly the crime of the century. Surely, everyone just wants to see us owned by someone who has millions to invest and get us in the premier league. He will give McDermott the chance. Why is everyone constantly moaning when finally someone comes calling with the money needed to get us up?

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03 Feb 2014 17:57:29
Please god please let's get behind the Italian and at last have some real cash for once
who wants 2 consortiums with no bloody money, what a JOKE
PLEASE get behind the Italian bid cash to spend!!!

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Exactly. We need money not plotless chancers

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03 Feb 2014 17:38:15
I don't understand a lot of leeds fans. How long have we waited for an owner to invest in the team. Here we have a real person with real money to invest in the team and buy our ground back and all they can do is moan. Let cellino buy the club he's been at his crrent club for 20 years for god sake. He's going to get 90 million for that club and he'll invest that in our club

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03 Feb 2014 17:30:51
Coun Keith Wakefield of LCC has also wading into the situation at the club. All eyes on the FL as they decide if this Italian chap is "fit and proper".

Believe me even I will be queing up with the phrase "well you guys said he was fit and proper" if he messes up the club and brings the game any unwanted and negetive attention.

On the same note, I will be shaking their hands if we win the CL in 3 years

DS

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Why are the council getting involved? It's non of there business, if they are genuinely concerned about Leeds its why did they refuse to lend Leeds the money to buy TA .

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Yeh ibdont really know what lcc have to do with it, there seems to be a lot of effort beeing made. By thr media to discredit cellino been running this fruad business dialy now evwn though its frim what 10 years ago. winder ehat thr agenda is or imo maybe its the other consortium tryin to stir uit fir their interest

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03 Feb 2014 17:19:19
It can't get any funnier, a consortium of consortiums. how many people will exactly be involved and how much will be given to BMD to invest in the side.

Both bits of information we will not be given and a smokescreen will be set up with regards to available funds, ownerships and club "further inevestment". I am bored with it now.

Ahh well, who ever does take over, let's just get some loans in and push on for the rest of the season. I still think we can make the playoffs, seeing as we still have to play a few teams above us and let's hope we can get rid of that stigma (not playing well in playoffs)

DS

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Agreed
totally bored and certainly don't want another shrouded in secrecy fiasco for the next few weeks
listen, the Italian has got money, let's give it a go. looks like we gave him a fright over the weekend with regards to the level of support we had.

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03 Feb 2014 17:01:59
Big Mac is back. What a man! GFH or whoever take note. This man deserves RESPECT.

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03 Feb 2014 16:50:17
the penny has dropped with gfh that massimo will not get fa clearance, so they are now talking to Farham and co at 11th hour for this reason. What a set of persons (gfh) all of this could have been avoided.
GFH = GREAT F***ING HALFWITS.

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Don't you think Cellino will have a mass of lawyers who look into if he can get football league clearance before he waded in with his offer.lets have someone with real money.not a load of chancres again

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The consortium has said they will match Cellinos offer, unlikely they could match the money he said he would plough into Leeds, whichever offer GFH accept is flawed, the pressure being applied from various quarters to stop Cellinos takeover is likely to succeed, dubious character but loads of cash, the consortium all clubbing together to buy the club, no way they could match Cellinos spending power, and are GFH concerned with the future of Leeds United, or simply getting the best deal for themselves, so whos best, Cellinos millions, new manager and probably influx of foreign players, or the consortium, McDermott and little money, whichever, i'm sure like me Leeds fans just want the whole sorry mess sorted, nevertheless MOT.

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If Cellino had a 'mass of lawyers' behaving as cleverly as the 'specialist sports lawyer' involved in the sacking is alleged to have behaved then no, he won't have properly researched the FL rules.

You don't need a law degree to know that dismissing a man from his job on the insistence of another man who has no authority to make such a decision is unlawful.

For a lawyer to have behaved that way, if what has been alleged is true, is beyond comprehension. Cellino clearly wasn't prepared for the rule of law in this country when he sought to overreach his powers. I guess the culture is different in Italy.

I'm interested to know whether anyone could be charged under the Harassment Act 1997. Any lawyers on here have an opinion on that?

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03 Feb 2014 16:48:06
after watching BMD interview the guy can't do much wrong in my eyes
Left in limbo by club shouldn't have to go through stuff like that he's only going abt his day job
Hope this other consortium pips the italian one to the post
Just my opinion

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03 Feb 2014 15:17:02
The FL have to be very careful here everyone inside and out of football is watching with bated breath, the wrong decision and they will get slaughtered. Its not just about past crimes, oh yes and an ongoing one. its about the way he has conducted himself, totally unscrupulous, lying, back tracking, oh and Eleona was set up ONE month ago? More fishy than Lucabratzies socks.

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Sport capitol was set up about 2 months ago is that any better?

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What's fishy about Cellino setting up Eleonara up as a company one month ago?

He's an Italian who owns an Italian business and football club. He want's to buy an English club so he sets up a new holding company for his shares so it's all held and owned in the UK. This is quite normal, nothing fishy about it at all. The same that SC was set up 2 months ago. It's a common business practice.

I'm not defending Cellino. I want him nowhere near our club. Hopefully Farnan can pull things together at this very late stage.

crmd

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03 Feb 2014 15:17:02
The FL have to be very careful here everyone inside and out of football is watching with bated breath, the wrong decision and they will get slaughtered. Its not just about past crimes, oh yes and an ongoing one. its about the way he has conducted himself, totally unscrupulous, lying, back tracking, oh and Eleona was set up ONE month ago? More fishy than Lucabratzies socks.

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03 Feb 2014 14:40:45
Don't want Cellino near our club if the events of the weekend are anything to go by. The man is seriously dodgy. I don't care how much money he has cause stability is just as important. You'll never get that with him.

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GFH have shown no intention providing stability if they are prepared to flip Leeds after one year, Cellino has owned the same club for 20 years, does that not count as stability?

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So your happy to stay in the championship/league one and get beat off barnsley every year?

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03 Feb 2014 13:40:42
A lot to read between the lines there from B Mac as for festa he can feck off he would get driven out by the fans if he did take over! Red bull please come in and save this sleeping giant of English football

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03 Feb 2014 13:28:33
McDermott has confirmed he's staying in the press conference, giving in the same old spiel about 'moving forward'.
Still seems to be none the wiser as to the ownership situation though.

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03 Feb 2014 13:27:41
Just watching Brian's press conference and I've got to say good on the man he's a true gentleman, head held high. I've said before he is the man given the right backing to take us back to the promise land . And he's right we are awesome fans & it's our club come on gfh Cellino or who ever the hell takes over back the guy he has just shown the world what a class act he is. MOT

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I think from what BMD has said the Festa changed the team overnight on Friday, and it proves to me that this Italian buyer is truly NOT a man to be trusted, let alone .fit and proper'

Surely the League will see that anyone who tries to sack the manager of a club, bring in a new player without the managers knowledge or agreement and instigate changes to that managers team whilst NOT EVEN OWNING THE CLUB is someone who is DEFINITELY NOT the sort of person to gain their approval?

Mind you, this is the football league who changes rules to suit themselves (especially when it hurts LEEDS) and moves the goalposts as and when they feel like it?

Much as I suspect this Italian offer would give Leeds more money than any other option I also have to ask why his present club has done nothing in over 20 years of his ownership? Another Bates, I suspect. ?

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Cagliari has won nothing over 20 years maybe because the other 17 clubs in Serie A are more bent than Cellino. Can people remember 2 or 3 years ago 4 or 5 teams were stripped of titles, deducted points and/or relegated for corruption and match fixing.

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03 Feb 2014 13:26:57
Just watching BMD on ssn, Whatever the oucome the guy comes across as a genuine and very dignified person The sooner he knows his position the better. Well done Brian you are the only person in all this crap who says the fans are the club Gone up massive in my estimation.

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03 Feb 2014 12:20:34
Cellino is claiming the sacking was GFH and GFH vice versa. Soemthing is not right here, I believe GFH thought they could sell and be clear of the club pretty sharpish, so weren't too bothered about the management of the club.

Cellino now has to go through the FL's "fit and proper" test and that coupled with the fan / sponser uproar on the sacking have decided to back track a little.

This has probably been a positive thing in the sense that BMD will be given a chance to succeed with the club, with Cellino underestimating the power of our fanbase.

In any case, GFH and Cellino have made a complete hash of things and I am not sure who to trust.

DS

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Well Ken was a fit & proper as was Shinawatra at manc c as we're all the various owners at Pompey this list was endless. Would you say Haigh was fit and proper he has fed us rubbish for months . We have no idea about this Italian but he wants our club and apparently can afford us. Why should we support Haigh, he certainly has not earned our trust, with constant rubbish. This could be a new exciting era, we really should see where it goes before slagging off what could be the best thing for Leeds in years. As for BMD he has been no better results wise than Warnock and I seem to think everyone thought he was rubbish, even though he also had to work with no budget and Ken as his boss. Be careful what you wish for.

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Ridsdale should never be allowed near a football team again, but he was, is he a fit and proper person?

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03 Feb 2014 11:28:57
yes the lads did it on sat a great result then said they did it for bmc it was his team. the next time can they do it for the fans also. if you get the point

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What happens if we get stuffed on saturday with BMc in charge that would make it interesting, unstability at the club was his excuse, but 5-1 result with possibly the worst weekend of in fighting the club has ever seen so I'm afraid you have no excuses against Yeovil.

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{Ed013's Note - Sack him friday night ;-)

03 Feb 2014 11:25:19
BMD is back.Great but for how long? A week?

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03 Feb 2014 11:14:32
Remember Italian tanks have 5 gears.
1 forward and 4 reverse.

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Yes and we play in a white flag too.

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03 Feb 2014 11:06:57
Some people astound me. There is an assumption on here that just because the man has money, Cellino should be welcomed.

Firstly, let's look at his money. He's reckoned to be worth about £800 million but how much if that is in assets and how much is real liquid cash? I have no idea but I guess that compared to the Sheik Mansours of this world he is nowhere near as cash rich and I can't imagine him pumping the 100 million + sums that the likes of Man City & Chelsea did to build their teams. I could be wrong but Cagliari haven't had that kind of input so why should we expect any different? In fact, they've made him a tidy profit by developing players and selling to bigger clubs. Is that what we want?

Secondly, let's look at his record at Cagliari. In 20 years in charge what has he actually won? They've become an OK mid-table Serie A side. Is that what we want to see over the next 20 years? I thought we aspired to a bit better than that. 20 years is a long time to win nothing of significance and sit mid table.

Thirdly, why has he failed to achieve anything great? Because he is clearly hot-headed when it comes to football. It's odd how so many good businessmen and women lose all ability to think strategically and plan long term when they have a toy like a football team to play with. 36 managers in 20 years should send alarm bells to any Leeds fan with more than 2 brain cells between their ears. Stable, successful clubs do not change their managers that frequently. Last season he started off with Ficcadenti, sacked him and replaced him with Ballardini, then sacked Ballardini only to replace him with, you guessed it, Ficcadenti. This is not the behaviour of a considered, rational, strategic thinker.

Finally, cash is no guarantee of success. Every time we think we're going to be in the money, people on this site get carried away with the notion that it guarantees we'll be back in the Champions League in two years. Get real. Look at this man's record. If he's here for 20 years I'll be heading for my mid 70's by the time he gets bored. I've seen us win 3 titles. I don't believe I'll see a fourth under Cellino unless he has a personality transplant, no matter how much cash he has and that's why I'm not welcoming him with open arms.

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Great post

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I'd rather be mid table in the premier league for the next 20 years than mid to lower table in the championship for the next 20 years!

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Spot on post. Too many people on here being seduced by lira signs in their eyes.
He might have money but Cellino has proved over the last few day he is rash, cowardly, untrustworthy and a liar.
If you're happy with that fine, I'm not!
Neither am I looking for Snow White, just somebody who plays it straight. Signor Cellino, I don't trust you, sorry MOT Ron.

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OP, counter argument to your points:
Point 1. The investment required to get out of the championship would not be significant. Of course to compete in the PL would require a lot of investment, which may be beyond Cellino's resources however I think it is initially important to get to the PL first. I would also argue that the financial rewards of being in the premier league far outweigh those of Serie A
Point 2. You could make the same argument against Spurs, what has they won in the last 20 years. I suspect Spurs fans would not want to swap places with us.
Point 3 - I agree he has been hot headed and his treatment of BMcD has been scandalous
Point 4 - Having cash is no guarantee of success but I know for a fact that having no cash is guarantee for failure

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One of the two brain cells that do work tells me that its over 20 yrs since we won anything! So your post is flawed like your two brain cells! i'm sad to say it but mid table prem for 20 years sounds a lot better than championship and league 1!
Andm

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03 Feb 2014 14:27:15
Look how many decent players we have been outbid for recently. We can't outbid teams like the udders for Wells for example. How will we ever get to the premiership at this rate. Cellinio will know the premiership is a much more lucrative league than Seria A. I believe he will back us way beyond the table crumbs we've had for the last decade, get us back in the prem and then he too may do the business man thing and sell for a profit or put his full resources behind us rather than Calgari where his efforts have been thwarted to a degree by the poor ground they have and the red tape nonsense where at the moment they are only allowed 5000 fans in the ground because of some health and safety regulation. For them he had to build a ground and go through all that entails. For us he states he will buy back Elland Road. We will end up much better off than we are now at any rate. Don't forget, integrity doesn't buy much. It's his lack of integrity that seems to be the stumbling block for many Leeds fans but look where his integrity was damaged, mainly in his efforts to help Galgari obtain a decent stadium whilst pitted against the Italian system which is bogged down in red tape and corruption. Why not give him a shot?

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OP here

Sorry Andm, mid-table perm isn't that much more attractive to me than where we are frankly. Who wants to be another Stoke?

I grew up watching the Revie team. I brought my eldest child up watching Wilkinson and O'Leary. I want my youngest child to have some of the same to look forward to. At least the Championship is competitive. The PL is as dull as unless you're challenging for the top.

In any case I think we can do better and my still just about functioning brain cell after this weekend, tells me that patience is a great virtue. Leeds is a great, historic club which will, at some point, come to the attention of someone who ticks more boxes than Cellino. All this adverse publicity might just have the benefit of alerting someone somewhere that the PL needs us and that we're a potential goldmine for the right owner.

Notts White is correct that we need money to reach the Prem but I want more than that and I really don't believe this man has the vision to take us to the top. I don't really care about his spent convictions. I worry about his obvious impatience and serious control-freak tendencies and I don't see us reaching the heights that Spurs have. I fear he may drag us into perpetual disrepute as did a not-long-gone previous incumbent.

If the deal gets finally done & ratified by the FL then I'll still be there very home game but I'm very worried and I really do think some people are just, as Ron says, focusing on the Lira.

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OP here

Sorry Andm, mid-table perm isn't that much more attractive to me than where we are frankly. Who wants to be another Stoke?

I grew up watching the Revie team. I brought my eldest child up watching Wilkinson and O'Leary. I want my youngest child to have some of the same to look forward to. At least the Championship is competitive. The PL is as dull as unless you're challenging for the top.

In any case I think we can do better and my still just about functioning brain cell after this weekend, tells me that patience is a great virtue. Leeds is a great, historic club which will, at some point, come to the attention of someone who ticks more boxes than Cellino. All this adverse publicity might just have the benefit of alerting someone somewhere that the PL needs us and that we're a potential goldmine for the right owner.

Notts White is correct that we need money to reach the Prem but I want more than that and I really don't believe this man has the vision to take us to the top. I don't really care about his spent convictions. I worry about his obvious impatience and serious control-freak tendencies and I don't see us reaching the heights that Spurs have. I fear he may drag us into perpetual disrepute as did a not-long-gone previous incumbent.

If the deal gets finally done & ratified by the FL then I'll still be there very home game but I'm very worried and I really do think some people are just, as Ron says, focusing on the Lira.

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Well it seems to me that the other possible owners don't have the cash to buy us, let alone take us forward.
I personally don't want to see us playing crap in the championship for the next 20 yrs.
Surely as a fan we want our team to be successful or at least challenge for something.
I`m ready to give Celino a chance.
If it`s the lira talking then so be it.

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One more thing.
We are still just about hanging on to our big club status, but in another 10 yrs we will have less and less fans.
A fading prospect . The likes of Blackpool and Preston were the big teams once.
The time is NOW, not 5 yr plan rubbish

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The op's shows our fans would even be content as a mid table prem team haha r u actually serious man that's where we should b aspiring to b initially I can't brlieve stuff I read on here unbelievable

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03 Feb 2014 10:52:36
does anyone know if we still owe money on the luke murphy transfer and are we under a transfer embargo

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The window's gone so a transfer embargo would be meaningless.

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The window's gone so a transfer embargo would be meaningless.

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03 Feb 2014 10:41:48
Everyone is hoping Sports capital and Together Leeds are going to come in and save the day, even if they do these guys do not have the money to take the club forward. Like everyone else I am sceptical of the italian owner but at least he has the cash to turn the club round. Haig has not got any money at all to make the club better.

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I'm with you. Don't think any consortium is going to come up with enough cash to do the things Cellino is promising(purchase of ER and transfer funds). He might not be Mother Teresa but who is at this level!
CJS

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03 Feb 2014 10:36:07
Can't believe what's happening at your club LUFC great history great British club!
Brian McDermott has been treated like rubbish hope all works out well for you lads and all is sorted soon typical knee jerk reaction from new foreign owners who have no idea of English football and their history you've been one of our best opposition this season!
All the best LUFC from a loyal LEICESTER CITY FAN!

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Good post mate that from a true football fan . Well said . Mot

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03 Feb 2014 10:00:01
Don't understand why fans want sports capital and Man U group taking over they have no money at all leeds fans do my head

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Spot on post, why do you all want more owners with no money, all that will mean is second rate loan signings and mid table team. At least the Italian guy has the cash to bring in quality!!

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Maybe because some of us don't want 2 managers a season?

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Totally agree.People moaning and whinging about buying quality players and having no money.The firstime in over a decade that a real money man appears and fans turn their noses up at him.Do you want to carry on in the lower leagues watching mediocre football for the next decade?

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We are leeds we moan when we got no money we moan when we have money! I wonder if cellino comes in and gets us in premier league well the attendance go down? No thought not stop moaning and get ready to see some good players for once! Gfh wudnt off turned down 6 mil for ross! How many suits could it buy david haigh!

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03 Feb 2014 08:57:41
Hi as I COULD NOT attend the match on saturday against hudds was just wondering what people on this site thought of Wells performance?

I know it was ONLY 1 match but it will be interesting to see as A LOT of people wanted BmD to spend serious money on this guy in the transfer window ;)

Andy MOT

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He was poor but why would you judge him on one game for a club he's only just joined?

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03 Feb 2014 08:01:34
Here is why the arguments against Cellino are not really valid (In my opinion)
1. Fraud convictions - 2 convictions, more than 10 years ago, which he gained from trying to help his club, get somewhere to play that wasn't falling apart.
2. 36 managers in 20 years - This figure includes all caretaker managers, and so is really less than 20 in total. Less than one a season which is a better figure than quite a few in England.
3. Will make BMcD a coach instead of a manger - How is this different to most successful clubs around at the moment (Chelsea etc.)

Just a few reasons I think that Cellino would be a great new owner. Rich passionate, and most of all a real football fan who will, if required put the club first, and will take a few risks to see us succeed. Is this not what we been shouting for, for the last ten years. Honestly I believe some Leeds fans would complain about whoever took over.

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Dont really know much about the guy and me looking into his past WONT change the outome of him buying LUFC.
Im just worried he will send players over from Italy on loan, if they turn out to be good he will call them back and sell at vast amounts of money. If they are s***e BmD or whoevers in charge willl be made to play them?

Hope i'm wrong Andy MOT

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Agree, mate! Importent to get a new owner driven by passion for the game! GFH is not, Bates was not!

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Andy MOT
What about the other way sending Ross to Italy on loan?

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03 Feb 2014 07:56:09
Wakey Wakey everyone, seems the night has been busy, things are happening, check out popey and hay twitter!

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03 Feb 2014 07:50:26
To all those happy to see Mr Cellino in charge, stop and think a minute. Yes he has pots of dosh but we need owners with integrity who have LUFC as their priority. We ain't going to get it with this chap. Football already has plenty of jokers with money, let's not be another example. Soon I hope very much to be reading the headline. Don Cellino takeover sleeps with the fishes

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Plenty of jokers with money? pal we have jokers in charge NOW without money I know who I would prefer anyway!

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How are you planning an assault on the premier league? With brass buttons? that's all pearson and co have! The only time a multi millionaire comes along you moan like mad I think some fans on here are happy watching the club decay,, carnt honesty get my head around some people's attitude. The Italian blokes is the only one with money, the other two bidder's have had to go halves for goodness sake .

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03 Feb 2014 05:22:23
If he's going to bring money to club then I'm all for it maybe we should all give him a chance as he's proved he's in it for the long haul with Cagliari. As long as he sticks with McDermott until at least end of season I'd personally prefer chopping and changing managers to where we are now- at least we'd be back in the
. Then he could sell to someone else to take us back into champions league. Let's just get behind the club and enjoy the ride. Mot

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03 Feb 2014 02:37:08
If mr cellino going to run cagliari an leeds this man must have serious amount of cash personally now I want gfh out of are club an haigh for bringing gfh into buying are beloved club ill have cellino all day this man will splash the cash to get us back to are prime sports capital/ faran consortium says they already have a 4 year plan to get us back to are prime no chance ill take my chances with cellino with are without BMD MOT

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03 Feb 2014 00:35:46
Hi Ed - Has Cellino walked away if heading off to Miami?
I would have thought there would be lots to sort after the weekend chaos! For what its worth I hope he doesn't walk away. He is the first sign of vast wealth LUFC had seen for ages. let's as Leeds fans not judge him or we may end up with GFH for a long while who are losing money and you all know where that can put us!
Please see the deal through Mr Italian and take Leeds back to the dizzy heights once again. MOT. PA

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{Ed013's Note - No, that's where he lives mate. He is awaiting football league approval}

03 Feb 2014 07:39:32
I really do not understand, if BMD comes back and the italian does complete the TO, then surely it is only a matter of time before he is sacked again.

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03 Feb 2014 07:25:00
British film industry so impressed with the stories coming out of ER that they are going to make a movie.

"TOMA ROWS NEVER DIE"

Casting is still ongoing but they have released this so far:

David haigh to play Bond (as he thinks he fills that role of importance perfectly.)
Brian Mc to currently play the role of Oddjob (not that I think it is fair what is happening to him.)
Celino to play cliche villain (maybe that turns good. We just don't know yet.)
GFH to be played by school children ( pretty much sums them up.)

Gutted to see what is happening at the club at the moment but wanted to make light! All we need is stability and investment and we will get back to PL! If Celino treats the club with respect then I am happy to embrace the new owners.

HarrogateWhiteForLife

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03 Feb 2014 07:16:50
Let's be honest, if Cellino doesn't take over then we are screwed. AGAIN! Give him a chance. The Cellino family is worth billions. He could be the next Abramovich.

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Let's hope so

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03 Feb 2014 02:17:03
Seems according to the Daily Snail that BMD is willing to come back as he lives the club - BUT want assurances as to his future. Only problem with that, that I can see, is who does he get the assurances from? Who knows who is in charge today or in fact will be tomorrow?
PeteMOT

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03 Feb 2014 07:56:34
Take assurances from both partys and then hope cellino doesn't get ownership
Cellino out

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02 Feb 2014 23:22:03
Something I wanated to add about BMD.

Yes we have lost the last previous 5 gaves (prior to Udder), but if we beat Yeovil I would say we have been going through a developmet phase.

The 3-5-2 was developed to accomodate the players we had and left by Warnock.

We managed to bring in 2 wingers recently and moved this to a 3-4-3. That didn't work.

We then went to 4-4-2. That didn't work.

And for saturday we went to a 4-3-3 / or a 4-2-3-1. Which worked.

Now only the next few games will tell. Brian needs time and what my reply to the post below is all about is, that I hope he gets it. He believes in the club, the players and the fans. And is by far the best manager we have had for some time.

DS

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