Leeds Banter Archive February 03 2016

 

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03 Feb 2016 21:41:15
I'm going on Saturday and sitting in west stand with a spare (free) complimentary going begging due to me being a pal of the linesman. Any one want it? If more than one name I will pick lucky winner at random at 6pm on Friday. Be nice to meet somebody from the banter site!

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04 Feb 2016 00:41:02
Degsy, I would take you up on the offer, but I will be flying back from the canaries, I tried to offer my ticket once for a game I had to pull out of for personal reasons and I advertised it on countless leeds sites even offering it for free as I didn't want to see it go to waste, I advertised on all leeds sites including this one and no one contacted me, I have to say I was a bit miffed but there you go anyway let's beat the Watford gaps and progress to ze 6th round people mot 😎.

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04 Feb 2016 07:23:43
Great gesture degsy old boy. I'll be there anyway but I'm sure one of the regulars on here will gladly take you up on the offer. Can you please get in touch with your lineo mate and tell him that the team playing in white are never offside. First rule of linesmanism!

MM.

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04 Feb 2016 07:40:18
last time he did us mick, Morrison scored a rare one v Rotherham last game of last season he was the lino who wrongly flagged for offside!

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04 Feb 2016 08:45:13
I'm sure you haven't let him forget it either degsy!

MM.

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04 Feb 2016 11:52:41
what a lovely guesture from both degsy and before from Thames, would love to put my name in the hat but think the mrs would kill me with a last minute 500 mile round trip and if the mrs didn't my banger of a car probably would. I agree with mick any team in white can be offside and to be fair to your lino mate they probaly thought raising the flag would spare morrisions blushes of missing before he put it in the net.

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04 Feb 2016 12:42:25
Well up for that degsy stick my name in the hat old boy. Mot.

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03 Feb 2016 21:22:19
The negativity on here is draining please lads get drunk get stoned go for a walk see a doctor get some rest or help then come back in a few weeks with something positive.

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03 Feb 2016 21:29:12
I suppose that was a negative post you see what you're all doing to me 😊.

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04 Feb 2016 11:59:33
Ok. I agree so let's find reasons to be cheerful.

1.White is a nice colour so our kit is one of the better ones

2. we were good once so unlike most fans in the country know what it is like to win stuff

3a. becoming crap makes you a proper fan and know what it is like to suffer and give you a better knowledge of football outside the prem

3b. extension of 3a. Becoming crap also helps with georgaphy as you have to learn where these tin pot clubs are from. While in the prem I had no idea where hereford, cheltnham and rotherham were (thought it was in wales) and now these clubs have all beaten us

4. we have great fans and good memories nothing can take that away

5. no one can accuse us of being glory hunters

6. things are slowly getting bit better

7. bates is getting old and no one lives forever

8. could always be worse there are people out there who support, bradford, rotherham, MILLWALL, or any team from the poor excuse of a scottish league.

9. marching on together has to be one of the best football songs there is so always good to sing that. I can't imgaine me walking out of the church after getting married to No one likes us, glad all over or the poxy band that wednesday use to have.

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03 Feb 2016 17:05:24
A lot of people complaining about a lot that's going on (or not) . Fact is we have a club and financially we are in a much better place. It was never the plan to go up this season ( of course it would've been nice) but we are on the up (and down on occasion) . So we haven't got the stadium back but if I owned the club and received the abuse MC has had then I am not sure I would commit any additional funds when almost ousted. Utilising the emergency loan window might not suit some but if we can get loan players in on the cheap and try before we buy then it makes sense- I am just happy we are in a better place than last year and if we can get behind the club and the players then we can get back on top and up where we belong.

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03 Feb 2016 18:10:55
Buying players on the cheap? just like bates then, where only going to get where we belong with serious investment i'm afraid other wise we'll continue to magnetise in the lower reaches of the Championship.

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03 Feb 2016 19:46:32
Ehen Cellino bought the club he said the plan was to buy back Elland road and Thorpe arch, he also said the plan was to get back into the premiership within two years, this was then adjusted to say promotion was the plan for this year. Personally I have no problem with Cellino I do take exception to the fact he says certain things at certain times of the season to ensure fans keep attending. If he can't keep his promises he should keep his mouth shut.

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03 Feb 2016 20:01:02
how can anyone compare mc to bates? bate didn't buy players on the cheap they where bargin basment, also bates let our gems go for peanuts, also MC has rejected bids for players and spent over a million on a few players. I agree about MC saying things then not coming through but I think he didn't realise what a tin pot club leeds were when he took over and how bad a state we were in (were in being important) . I am surpirsed so many leeds fans have said mc says things to make leeds fan go ER, are leeds fans that fickle and that bad that we need to be encouraged or lied to to support leeds? also what fan would have a problem with a man who does anything to get people in the crowds to raise funds for our club. I love the fact Mc tries to improve our crowd numbers by what ever means, must mean he is trying to improve our club. Things are better at leeds than for years. I made a post about our past chairman since 1996 and no one come up with any comments yet people still put negitive things about MC, that is upto them and of course some things are founded and everyone can have an opinion. but can we have some perspective here. MC best chairman at leeds since 1996 long may he reign fact! yes I said fact!

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03 Feb 2016 20:35:30
£5 Extra to come on day of game £5 pie tax in south stand where the only club to segregate our own fans absolute joke, things are better now? are you sure? the team we came up with from league 1 is the best since we finished 7th first season up we've been nowhere near since Bermondsey.

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03 Feb 2016 21:46:32
In what way are we in a better way financially, pp. Look at the balance sheet, we owe out more money every year. All Cellino has done is re - structure the debt. Agreed with GFH, who we owe the money to. Cellino has leant the club money so we owe him. We are going around in circles. The best we can hope is for the status quo. Paying out lower wages makes us less attractive than over clubs. It's got nothing to be with how big a club we are. We end up hoping for bargain basement products in emergency windows. Does anyone really believe we can go forward with this plan?

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04 Feb 2016 07:37:18
Deda, yes look at the balance sheets and whilst I am not saying we are 'rocker fella' we are in a better place. We are not about to dissolved - yes we owe money but it's being managed and interest etc is being managed not being hiked up for non payment - it wasn't so long ago we couldn't pay any staff! Sometimes you after win the smaller battles and lose others in order to win the war. My point with MC is if he is feels loved and wanted then maybe he will fall back in love with the club and get that 'spark' back he arrived with- abusing him and his family only serves to alienate and distance him - he ain't perfect - but who is? And he is the best we got so let's feel the love and all get working in the same direction. We all make mistakes and sometimes we have to make unpopular decisions - life tough eh😜.

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04 Feb 2016 12:03:08
yes I agree team to come up was best one, howson, snodgrass, schimlcle (great kepper but can't spell name) , Delph, beckford, johnson all great players and that was our best team and had MC been in charge we would of gone up but what happened? Bates who hates leeds sold off each part of the team for peanuts leaving MC to pick up the pieces. things are getting better not because the team is better than that one but because the man in charge would never do what bates did. MC got 11 mill for RM that is more than bates got for all of the players mentioned before. Plus players now are now sold everytime some offer more than a tenner. the team is not as good but things are getting better, next time we have a team that good it will be seen as a chance to go up, not a chance for a whole sale.

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04 Feb 2016 12:51:49
I agree PPeacock we are in a better place financially but I think now that Cellino has realised how much debt there was he can't afford to put his own plans into practice, a lot of the money he is putting in is just servicing the loans we have, rather than being used to buy ER and TA which would massively reduce our outgoings if he was able to do this. I don't think Cellino is the one people should be grumbling at, it is the previous directors Bates and GFH who got us in this hole that people should be annoyed at but until we see any tangiable progress under Cellino fans are going to be annoyed and as he is in the driving seat now he is the one who will get the flak. I think unfortunately we will be a mid table championship club for a few seasons more until we can get rid of some of the debt and we can then spend more money on players and also more usefully in my mind a decent coach/ manager.

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04 Feb 2016 19:26:25
Bermondsey like so many people on here I follow our great team home and away spending somewhere approaching £5,000 a year. For a home game I have over a 400 mile round trip, if I am to continue I do not expect MC to lie to me and so many others. The fans that travel home and away deserve to be treated better as we are the future of the club, not fans that go to the odd game ( especially when we are doing well) .

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04 Feb 2016 20:57:03
shag come on it is business business is all lies. I want a chairman who will lie if he has to. Risdale was honest and said we might fold and then everyone knew they could buy our players on the cheap. I think leeds are still a p""s Poor team with little money. We didn't offer Byram more because we don't have it, we don't buy better players because we can't afford to. So be honest would you rather our chairman comes out honest as says we have no money, we have a poor squad, we will not be buying and will probably sell for little if we have to, due to the state of the club and FFP we are up a bit of a creek and we can not afford a paddle. Or would you rather he bend the truth, put a positive spin on things? I sadly can not go to that many games so maybe it is bit easier to see but I go about four times a year and to all london or midlands aways games (often in home end) I have not seen leeds win at Er for five years as I always pick games where we lose, I do not get much joy away from home either. but that is the choice we make. We pay to support the club we love. The money goes on that, not on expecting a win that is a bonus. maybe you are looking at it the wrong way. again look at lesser clubs and supporters they go because they love the club and expect a loss (why pubs open in Bermondsey before the game to save millwall fans) . as for our chairman get off his back, he was great at club before leeds and done ok at leeds with really bad club and bad hand so to speak. I have mentioned many times our chairman since 1996 and no one has yet to comment as their is no answer MC is what we have and best we have had for 20 years so let's be happy and settle for what we have and we have leeds.

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03 Feb 2016 16:23:42
Hate to say it but in the eyes of players we are not a big club anymore. We as fans remember the history and the good times in the top leagues but players look at the here and now and at the moment we look chaotic with Cellino in charge and no where near being a top 6 club let alone promoted and at this level that is what the good players look at. Until we can get a good chairman, one who is not in the news more than the team is a good start then we will not attract the type of player we need to improve. Harsh words I know but unfortunately the truth.

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03 Feb 2016 20:02:48
we are not a big club, since 1996 our chairman have been destroying this club and after 20 years of bad chairman our current one is finally putting things back in place, we are not a big club but thanks to MC we are getting there but it will be slow, 20 years of bad decisions things will not happen over night.

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03 Feb 2016 20:38:05
We'll never be a big club? with a comment and attitude like that we never will be.

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04 Feb 2016 12:08:12
we might never be a big club again, that would not bother me or change my love for my club. I know people who support millwall and leyton orient, who never were or ever will be big clubs, so they are happy with small victories and I think that is a good mind set. If we become great again wonderful if not let's just love our club and stop whinging like little kids (was going to say girls but that seemed sexist and I am a modern man now)

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04 Feb 2016 19:27:59
Totally agree LUFC369.

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03 Feb 2016 12:52:08
Why all this negativity about Lafferty possibly signing on a loan deal until the end of the season? He's possibly coming to try to push for a Euro 2016 place so he's going to try to impress, get his confidence up for the summer and put a few goals in the back of the onion bag.
We've got 3 semi OK strikers, it doesn't seem to me to be a huge risk taking one more semi OK striker who could turn out to be a potential season saver.

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03 Feb 2016 13:09:25
Agree Lucas. Only concern is it will surely be early March before he is match fit. Get Kike too.

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03 Feb 2016 16:09:44
Too late for Kike.

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03 Feb 2016 20:03:52
agree lucas, some leeds fans are negitive for the sake of it I feel, we are not great at the moment but there are a lot of clubs worse off I think we should all be thankful we are not bradford.

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03 Feb 2016 20:41:41
Bradford are actually on the rise and are a better run club than us at the moment!

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04 Feb 2016 10:13:03
Rumour as it we missed out on a striker on deadline day. I think it was the guy that went to Everton for 13mill.

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04 Feb 2016 12:06:20
yeah but they are still bradford don't forget that. even if they win champs league they still are and will always be bradford.

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03 Feb 2016 11:42:41
Transfer window gone and some are upset because we have no new striker, and of course its all Cellinos fault lol. Tell me what strikers were out there available, besides the ones the top clubs were always going to get as they have to spend when they are in the top 6. Only Danny Graham in my opinion would have added anything to our team. What we did need was a CB and LB. If Taylor gets injured we are in trouble, who will play there. Berardi out remember. I know not many decent ones available but we need cover in that position.
With Dave and Bridcutt both playing players like, Mowatt, Dallas, Cook, Carayol, Botaka, Ady and Sloth even should be able to get forward more and get some goals. If not then half of them should not be here. Have not included Murphy as he does not seem to have a forward gear. So I do not think striker is a priority at the moment. We probably will get one as you can never have enough and will need cover if Ant or Douks get injured with Wood out already. Hope its not Lafferty as I can't see him improving us at all, hope he proves me wrong if he comes but we seem to be his last choice.
As for ER if it was as simple as 20 cigs from the shop I am sure Cellino would have bought it. Its a lot more complicated than that because there is a man at the door wanting five of them cigs. Cellino will buy the ground when he is ready.

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03 Feb 2016 12:19:58
Mr Crlluno will not be buying the ground LUFC WILL, if he loans the money to the club it will have to be paid back by LUFC and all those who own it so stop making excuses that GFH are the reason he won't buy back Elland Road!

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03 Feb 2016 13:03:44
And we have 15 mill to buy ground and buy players in summer we must be loaded now then, year ago we were going bankrupt shows you how much Cellino has done eh raggy. GFH own 23% of LUFC so of course they will benefit.

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03 Feb 2016 13:40:11
I have no doubt we won't be buying the ground in the summer or won't be spending big in the summer transfer window, so I know we are still struggling financially . I'll break it down, you and a partner buy a house, you pay 77% your partner buys 23%, you buy an adjoining garage, as said partner is not willing to pay towards said garage, you buy it yourself, when you sell house and said garage. your partner receives 23% of profit from sale of garage, who recovers profit from YOUR garage . Plus GFH never promised to buy the ground back Mr Cellino did . Knowing at the time he only owned 77% or whatever of LUFC. Or are you saying he momentarily forgot? Like the 2 year promise to be in the premiere league .15 million is about the figure he received for the sale of 2 players, I give you that!

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03 Feb 2016 13:50:23
Plus BIG, Cellini took on the clubs debts so theoretically he hasn't payed out that much money, he's servicing the debt by selling players . How much money do you reckon he's spent out off his own pocket, he restructured the debt I think was the term used . The club does have an income, not sure how much it is, but it is quite well supported, on Sky regularly and players are sold yearly without much spent on new 1's, even I can work out more is coming in than going out, so things are improving . Unless our great business owner would have got shot long ago .

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03 Feb 2016 15:43:43
Agreed with you on previous posts regarding a striker in this window, Bige. However, if we had got Forriestti, in the emergency window, instead of letting him slip away (Cellino's fault) and got McGreedy (again Cellino's fault) there maybe some opptomism on here. Every failure just reminds people of Cellino's broken promises on everything else. I agree that we should be balancing the squad, too many midfielders. Once again, Cellino went for the cheap option of Botaka and we have another player just like Erwin,another cheap gamble, which was never going to come off. I just pray that Taylor doesn't get injured. But on the ground, Raggity is right Cellino could buy it in a personal capacity, lower the rent, save us some money and win back the trust of the fans.

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03 Feb 2016 16:25:45
Think I just got to disagree with you guys. We pay 1.2 mill rent a year. If Cellino lends LUFC money to buy ground means GFH better off by 300,000 a year as their share of liabilities minus whatever repayment of loan works out. By owning own ground share price will rise meaning GFH investment has grown. Celino could buy the ground and rent it back but why would he rent it back for less than we pay now. The reason we did not buy the ground is because GFH refused to pay their share of the purchase price, refused to invest any more into the club. True Cellino should have found this out before he made the promise but most would think they would invest. Keep your fingers crossed Parkin sorts a deal out in summer.
Raggy, you and your mate go 50-50 to buy a house to do up and sell. He says I will pay half purchase price but not paying out to improve it or extend it but he still wants half of profit from sale sure you would go spend 50,000 doing it up just to give half that cost to your mate.

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03 Feb 2016 17:20:17
Who's paying for the bloody garage then? That's what I want to know!

MM.

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03 Feb 2016 18:15:18
The point is if Cellino bought the ground in a personal capacity by setting up a new company. That company owns the ground and fixes the price of the rent. The present owner is making money from the deal. GFH would not benefit from that deal. If the club ever do go up, we will then be able to buy off Cellino. He (like the good businessman) some say he is will profit from any rent paid and any sale back to the club. As for the garage rent it to MM for his home brew.

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03 Feb 2016 18:26:19
Another thing. He went into this deal with GFH knowing that they would no longer fund the club. So he knew at the time of purchasing the club and promising to buy ER, that GFH would not be paying for it. Then he broke his promise, stating that as we had already paid rent, he would buy in 6 months, once the deadline passed he used GFH as an excuse to back out. I'm sure if GFH had broken any agreement since Cellino took over, his lawyers would have taken them to court. Cellino is a fantasist and is not going to buy the ground or fund a summer spending spree. Maybe this time next year, if we're in the same situation, those who refuse to see the obvious, will start to see, they have been mugged off by Cellino.

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03 Feb 2016 19:01:26
Dont think he knew how bad GFH was or he would have left us alone. Hee thought he was buying into a partnership which sort of intimates all things shared equally but that was not the case. He wanted to buy the ground back, they did not. Agree deda he could buy the ground privately but then why would he charge less rent, all his money so why would he increase profit margin for club for only GFH to benefit. Yes club pays less rent but GFH will take their share they have investors to pay, its not their money they have clients money which they invest. They want returns on their money not to put more in.

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03 Feb 2016 19:04:29
MM I know who wouldn't be buying the garage! Mr Cellino . BIGE GFH don't need to buy the ground, there investment is only in the assets LUFC currently own. Also I would have found out before purchasing a house with a mate, if he was prepared to pay half of any improvement cost, if he wasn't, there'd be no purchase .

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03 Feb 2016 19:27:53
He own 75% of the club, that's why. Surely him saving money, even if it makes someone else money, it is to his benefit. If he saves say 2 million a year, but makes GFH 500,000 a year, ain't he up £1.5 million?

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03 Feb 2016 19:49:15
Buying the ground would belong to a new company. Any rent would profit Cellino. We don't make any money and even if we did it would only go to the interest that we owe GFH. £300K a year. We knew GFH didn't care about the club and so did Cellino. Any businessman worth the name businessman, would have done DD. Cellino didn't which makes him a fool. Who spends £30 million and doesn't have their lawyers go over everything with a tooth comb. It's the same everywhere if your getting into bed with someone know who they are businesses or otherwise. Everyone does it except maybe MM after a Friday session in spoons.

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03 Feb 2016 20:04:56
you are all missing the point, use the garage as a make shift pub and the garage pays for itself. honestly it is like some of you are just not trying to think.

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03 Feb 2016 20:30:00
What do you think MM'S home brew is for. Cheap to produce sell at a profit.

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04 Feb 2016 10:22:09
I thought the 15 million price was for leeds united to buy back not a private sale.

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04 Feb 2016 12:10:26
i tell you all what let's mug off elland road and come to my shed, it is no garage and a bit of a trot for most of you fella but you are all welcome, we can drink neat vodka and watch my old tapes and pretend it is 1992 again (which would be odd as I was 7 when in 1992 and I didn't start drinking vodka untill I was 8 and a half)

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03 Feb 2016 10:58:58
I wish people would get off cellinios back, heh have sat in our club and tried rinsing us and yet the only guy interested in doing anything just gets smashed with abuse. if he buys elland road outright 100% that means the club become worth more money of which he only owns a certain %% no one with a business would do this. But us fans just expect it.

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03 Feb 2016 11:50:01
As a business man, if he buys Elland Road he owns Ella d Road, I'm sure a lawyer could draw up papers to that effect, this is the real world . GFH own 25% of the current Leeds UTD, any assets purchased with Mr Cellino's cash would belong to Mr Cellino . Who ever owns it now does not share it with Mr Cellino and GFH do they? , it's rented back .

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03 Feb 2016 11:55:44
Secondly if Elland Road is purchased with Leeds UTD money received from Transfers ie McCormack and Byram, well GFH own 25% of that, they would be entitled to a part share in the ground, wouldn't they?

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03 Feb 2016 12:01:18
The majority of fans believe whatever the chairman says and Cellino has on more than one occasion said he will buy Elland road and Thorpe arch and as such we quite rightly expect him to deliver, if he can't do that then he needs to shut up and get on with looking after the club. The same could be said of the players he has bought sines he took over, again he has made it very clear the majority of players ought since he bought the club and his choice and the majority of them have been a complete waste of money.

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03 Feb 2016 14:09:18
I'm confused Loveawaydays, are you saying make the club worth less so no one profits? Or just sit still, hoping they bail out before we crash to division one .?

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03 Feb 2016 14:16:32
Who wins if the club stops haemorrhaging money in rent for Elland Road or Thorpe Arch? LUFC! who owns LUFC? Cellino and GFH, so who will be losing exactly if they owned them both? I'm sure they would be purchased by loans, taken out by LUFC!

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04 Feb 2016 12:11:53
great post away days 100% agree.

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03 Feb 2016 08:54:26
It's interesting that we still seem to be keen on Kyle Lafferty and he may be coming in next week. Interesting because he is a striker that can't get into a team that can't score goals. Interesting because other than Leeds no one else seems to be interested in him. Interesting because he is keen to leave Norwich and they are happy for him to go. Interesting because he wasn't interested in coming to Leeds at the start but then was 'overwhelmed' after it became clear to him that he was not in great demand anywhere else. I don't think he's that good and like a lot of Irishmen he plays better for his country than his club. I am not in the least overwhelmed by the prospect of him arriving at Elland road.

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03 Feb 2016 11:23:58
U like the word intresting don't u.

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03 Feb 2016 11:52:21
It's also interesting that he turned down a loan move to FC Sion, yet S E told us Norwich were only interested in selling Lafferty!

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03 Feb 2016 15:47:53
Interesting!

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03 Feb 2016 00:45:10
So is how the purchase of Elland Rd going Mr Cellino, now that you have received more money from the sale of our better players, than you have spent on replacing them, where the net profit from those dealings exceeds the cost of buying back our Elland Rd? By the way what did you mean last summer by tell us fans that we would experience a "beautiful" season? By "beautiful", did you mean narrowing avoiding relegation? What would call a season where we finished in the top 10, or god forbid, top 6?

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03 Feb 2016 00:55:53
Top 10 on that basis would be very beautiful. Top 6 orgasmic. Simples.

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03 Feb 2016 07:59:40
Top six should never be in our thoughts for the club the size of Leeds top two should always be our sole aim!

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03 Feb 2016 09:03:25
There are still some deluded individuals on here still believing that Cellino will spend big in the summer. That same people who said the same this time last year. "NO POINT SPENDING. NOT GETTING IN THE PLAY OFF'S" LET'S WAIT UNTIL SUMMER". Rinse and repeat, season after season. Every window should be used to strengthen the club. A bang average outfit like Wendy bought two players we should have bought, (well done Massimo) and are just outside the play offs. We were better than them at the start of the season. They have used the transfer windows well. We haven't. It's time all you Cellino lovers to admit, there is no masterplan. Elland Road or TA is not going to be bought back. Just because someone is not, Rosedale, Bates or GFH, does not mean they should have our uncritical support. Buy the ground like you said, properly fund the club, if not put us up for sale and admit you can't take us forward, Massimo.

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03 Feb 2016 09:30:23
Doomed, doomed. We're all doomed.

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03 Feb 2016 15:27:04
Doomed to mediocrity. Cellino needs to spend big, not even his biggest supporters can excuse another non challenging, hovering above the drop zone season like this and the last one.

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03 Feb 2016 20:06:39
deda do you know how many years as a leeds fan I dreamt of mediocrity? all them league one years, relaigtions dogfights. how to dream to be mediocrity.

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