Leeds Banter Archive May 03 2016

 

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03 May 2016 21:25:18
Paul hart has joined Luton a month after supposedly leaving us for family reasons. Clubs think football fans are stupid to believe these smoke screens. Another Cellino master stroke. I'm telling you he's slowly but surely burying our great club into the ground.

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03 May 2016 22:48:20
club was well and truely under ground well before he come along, at worse he has dug it up and buried it again.

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03 May 2016 23:17:51
Bermo
And that's a good thing?

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04 May 2016 06:56:34
Whose hart? Sorry. Worldwide renowned coach or something.?
Is he the chap that put his money where his mouth is and saved Leeds? Does he want to put his money in to Leeds? No. So. Who is Paul hart. Irrelevant that's who!

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04 May 2016 08:53:18
Hart is all about nostalgia. He did have success in the past however as we have seen time and again this means very little. Having watched hart play for Leeds I wish him all the best in his new role. It would seem to me where either clearing the decks for a new man or everything below the first team is going!

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04 May 2016 09:42:27
We were really going places for the last few years when Hart was with us. NO!

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04 May 2016 11:07:16
Ausman - Hart was with us as academy manager for less than one season this time around. My understanding is that he left after MC forced the academy to consider some players that were his friend's sons. This led to an argument that saw Hart leave shortly later. So who now is academy manager; I don't think Underwood has the qualifications or experience? To answer your question, Hart is an experienced football man that has a track record of bringing through young talent at both Leeds United (the era of Kewel, Woodgate, Alan Smith, Paul Robinson etc) and other clubs. Moreover, he is another in the long list of dedicated, principled servants to Leeds United that has been spat out by MC.

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04 May 2016 11:26:58
Hart was good and redfearn. Think most people miss the point, they don't find these young ones, they come through the system. Yes they help develop them but they are well on their way before they gey into u21 or they would not get a game.

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04 May 2016 11:30:50
Yeh that's right let's blame Paul Hart because it's not the owner's fault let's not start blaming the onwer for anything, is there any other ex players we can blame for our demise and not going places, what about Mervyn Day he was chief scout from 2010 - 2012 can't we blame him for summat or any other ex players there must be some others we can blame.

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04 May 2016 11:37:56
Good post reality.
Ausman, Cellino's purchase of the club does not excuse his irrational decisions. Hart is a class development coach. Redders was a fairly good development coach. When we are down and out because of Cellino's misconduct and mischief saying but he can do what he wants because he bought the club won't do anyone any good.

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04 May 2016 11:58:08
Think its not matter of attaching blame to one individual. Cellino is an ass, we know it, media knows it. So if you can't work with an ass as a boss why take the job in the first place, to up your profile?

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04 May 2016 14:01:07
You've got a point there Geldered Aggro. I blame Thomas Brolin for the increase in the uk's obesity. Before he pulled on the famous white shirt (that would be a struggle) the obesity levels were around 15%, now they're at 25%. Coincidence? I don't think so!

MM.

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04 May 2016 14:33:03
again the same old debate with neither side letting up. both sides have some good points and some rather silly ones.

i will just say this. imagine a life where MC never come to leeds. just for five minutes while sitting on the toilet, pretending to listen to the wife or while trying to work out Brolins BMI. just think

back to NW and his journeymen, back to the selling every player for a pound and replacing them with a penny, back to when our best players where a trailist or freebies that where so over the hill they were underground

that's the main arguement I have and always will, while things are not perfect they are certainly better. while MC does some silly things he has also done some great things

while I prefered he spent his money differently I prefer it to if he never spent it at all

again sometimes I am so profound I think folk songs should be written about me. in fact might write one myself.

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04 May 2016 15:15:26
Maybe it will have a 4 week life. Like your plays bw
Now is that paying attention to your posts or what matey?
Thanks for back up bud.

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04 May 2016 18:10:44
well done bonus point to you (and star prize of a ticket to my next show you poor thing) have to back up as I agree with what you are saying and can see points behind your posts

so what night would you like to come and see the award winning greater game at the Southwark playhouse opening sep 12th till october 8th (again any chance of a plug. expect a lot of these over the next few weeks)

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03 May 2016 17:05:16
I think that with Leicester winning the prem they will be trying to get rid of there dead weight

They have players like Mark Shwarzer and Ben Hamer who have both shared the 2nd choice keeper spot this season

Liam Moore and Ben Chilwell who are both young and both play in defensive positions. Chilwell has played a few games this season and Moore has been on loan at Bristol I think

In midfield they have Matty James who was a important part of their team last year before getting injured. They also have Nathan Dyer who is on loan from Swansea and is a very good, very fast winger who we all k ow Leeds needs.

For strikers I would say Leonardo Ulloa will be very good at Leeds. He is not very fast but is powerful and would be a good partner for woods or antenucci next season.

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03 May 2016 21:21:19
We'd never get Ulloa but yes I'd take Dyer.

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03 May 2016 23:18:52
Won't get either. It has got to stage good pros avoid us.

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04 May 2016 11:28:13
Got to disagrde george. Saw 2 decent looking ones up near tommy was.

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04 May 2016 14:34:31
george please, is there a constant cloud hanging over your house. maybe a trip to spoons with MM might cheer you up a little.

its got to stage where good pros avoid us. stop talking negitive rubbish, I am starting to think you are bates Buddy or something.

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04 May 2016 15:31:37
Bermo
Really?
The word is well and truly out that Cellino is a madman who eats managers. Who'd want to play for us? Journeymen, rejects and Italian imports sure but a well versed seasoned English pro will look to avoid us. Barton hinted as much on social media one time that we were an avoid.
I don't see a queue of an admiring rabble of players fighting to come to ER.
Wake up and smell the coffee Bermo.

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04 May 2016 16:02:11
I think you will find a queue of players who would love to play for Leeds. As BW has said many a time, to play or manage LUFC would be a huge step up to many a player or manager. Players/ managers are contracted to the club, there contract or amount of £'s in it determines where they play/ manage. That goes for all clubs, be it Man City or Crewe. Someone listed 16/ 17 players earlier, I bet least 70% of them would love LUFC to contact them .

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04 May 2016 16:37:36
George do you ever wonder that Barton was looking for a club to retire at and where he could play every week.

Although Barton is a quality player he would not want to retire at a club that has a large depth in midfield because we have younger players who will develop into better players than him and would surely take his place in the first team

My rant for the day is done.

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04 May 2016 17:41:04
Rag
Maybe a queue yes but most of them will be pony.
Elephant
I don't think your elaborate theory entered into the mind of Barton.

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04 May 2016 17:58:12
I sincerely hope you're wrong George, roll on the summer . We do have a depth in midfield, unfortunately none as good as Barton. If we had offered him enough money he would have been wearing a white shirt.

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04 May 2016 18:15:54
if someone don't come to leeds it is because they have a better offer. Ambramovic, the watford chairman, barac, real etc. all have large turn over of managers. in fact very few teams don't (arsenal, everton although that could chnage ect) but these teams still get players and same applies to leeds.

can you see a player saying, you know what ambrovic sacks a lot of managers I don't want to play for them, same of leeds or watford (watford are worse than leeds for this) it is all about money and status managers getting sacked is by the by and no one even takes that into consderation, barton went else where due to money not down to mc sacking people or saying crap in media let's be honest barton himself loves a comment in social media don't he?

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04 May 2016 21:52:13
Bermo
It's called factors.
Location
Division
Status
Money
Stability of club
Turnover of managers

I can just imagine the agents of better english players saying no to Leeds because of the problems. Cellino scored a huge own goal saying he can't get on well with English coaches. Read for that British coaches. Also British players, agents, fans and journalists.

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03 May 2016 16:13:00
Scandal - Bournemouth are fined a massive £7.6m for breaking FFP rules in their promotion winning season from the Championship. Pretty sure the £71 million they trousered for being in the Premiership helped soften the blow.

MM.

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03 May 2016 16:37:06
Definitely MM and that doesn't take in the money they will get for the forth coming season. MOT.

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03 May 2016 17:03:15
Agree guys! What do you reckon we would have got? 😂.

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03 May 2016 17:37:03
£10 million fine, demoted two divisions, public floggings, forced to play behind closed doors and in carpet slippers at the best!

MM.

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03 May 2016 17:45:52
We would have been given points deduction, and that should be the punishment as anyone will take the risk .
This is like having a bet .
All said and done soooo pleased Leicester have won the prem, and this is without spending silly money .

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03 May 2016 17:51:35
we would of been shot at dawn, hung drawn and quatered or forced to watch bradford for a whole season. The trouble is it is ok getting fined if you go up, but what happens if fined and you do not go up. imagine us getting fined nearly 8mill and that must surely go towards next seasons FFP making it a bit of a cycle.

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03 May 2016 14:38:22
mc never got shirty but paid out 5-6m well that money for players gone now . Italian coach who knows nothing about our league . but mc says top 6 . crazy.

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03 May 2016 15:35:58
Where you getting your figures from.

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03 May 2016 17:49:08
the 5 m is just what they said in their claim as people always do that in these type of court cases, the actual figure agreed will be a lot less, exactly how much who knows as it is confidential, but having read about it I'm guessing around a million.

Is that coming off the money for players, who knows, but if MC doesn't invest he knows he will be giving back 50% ( I reckon 15000 will be reached by end of May) of season ticket sales for sure so I would say let us see what happens in summer.

I agree the Italian coach sounds crap, doubt it will happen as management record rubbish since 2008, he is famous in Italy as a player mind, would be a bit like us making David Beckham manager as he was an icon for England (forget the Man U bit) ha ha, imagine that?

Only joking guys but we all know will be loads and loads of rumors flying around but I would not take most of them to heart, most just bulls***.

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03 May 2016 21:10:05
I would rather Beckham buy us than manage us. 450 mil net worth but we would make more on aftershave sales.

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03 May 2016 13:52:35
Anyone else think maybe Cellino is picking Evans brains about the team before he let's him go so that either the man himself is thinking of being the manager or passing on all the info on to the new headcoach. The only Italian I would currently entertain being our headcoach is Rainieri and that ain't going to happen. Spending loads of money on a manager is not the answer as you can't polish a tur*. I would rather keep steve for another season and spend money on the team. Time and time again we don't bring in quality players and use excuse after excuse that they preferred another club or we take too long to sign a player that they went elsewhere or it wasn't the right time and they wanted to fight for their place in their current team. yardy yah.

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03 May 2016 14:13:26
Liver
We are run by a madman. Mcbadgekisser was right. This isn't the Leeds any of us remember. It's all about Cellino's way or the highway. It's exactly what Redders said. The better him and Thommo do the worse it will get for them. Cellino wants the popularity and glory. Successful clubs their owner drifts and fades into the background as the manager and players do well. With Cellino, he wants it the other way around. For the last couple of finishes we had, we may as well kept Mcdermott or Redders and not paid a fortune out in legal fees and damages (will probably end up being close to 8m all in all) and spent that money on the team. We'd be better off. Don't expect next season to be much better especially if SE no longer at helm.

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03 May 2016 15:22:11
Quite agree Georgie Boy. I've said this all along, the guy has a huge ego and won't tolerate anyone stealing his limelight. As you say the better Evans does, the worse it will be for him.

I only wished he'd made it a more difficult decision by beating Charlton.

MM.

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03 May 2016 15:45:36
McCormack, readers and Thompson all went on to have a great season after they moved on.

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03 May 2016 16:09:15
yeah I think Se was better appointment than redders as much as I was routing for redders, same again it is said don't expect next season to be better espcially with out SE. how can we know we might buy some great players and get a better manager.

SE was decent but some bad results against poor teams, he does not know how to set up a big team to beat a smaller one, so in theory was right guy to stablise us but worse person to get us promoted.

this is all just spectlative theory until we see what the summer brings, so until I see the need to be negative I shall be positive.

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03 May 2016 16:17:19
Agree with all the above sentiments however I think our fortunes have to change . Even if we don't spent proper big money, if we keep the best of what we have, develop a few more of our own and bring in three or four this season and next, we will be much much better . If Evans had of been with us all season and brought in 2 or 3 more of his own players think we would of been pushing top six this year.

The large financial payoffs to previous owners expires at the end of this season ( I think) . So a return to the prem from 2017 onwards means we do not have to fork out loads of dough to them for nothing.

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03 May 2016 16:09:17
True Wex. Can see the fly tipper moving on to pastures new very soon. As the old Paul Young track goes (adapted for sweaty sock Ross) "Wherever I dump my crap, that's my home".

MM.

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03 May 2016 21:13:13
Picking Evans brains? that's not a phrase that comes readily to mind when thinking of Evans. He's only here for self promoting himself. We are so used to mediocrity are advocating, giving him club money to invest. Really? Dave? Yes. Bridcutt good loan signing. Caryol? If he's so great, why not play him? No, I think Coyle will play better on the wing? Really? Has anyone else noticed how we go on a run of decent results, then he freshens things up and we lose . Cause Dave has a great game scores so SE rests him . for what? The guy ain't got a clue. ain't as if we had important games to save him for! If Cellino gives that clown his money to invest and our team to get in the top 6,he's as mad as some of you think he is. With about 3 good players and a decent coach, my bet is we could challenge the top 6.

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03 May 2016 21:24:55
Great post raggity, totally agree.

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03 May 2016 22:50:55
well said raggity agree 100 %.

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03 May 2016 23:23:21
Raggity
Good post and you are spot on but meddling Cellino may have interfered with team selection on occasions. Are we really going to get anyone better than Evans? Zenga? Having a laugh. He could be weaker than Hockaday.

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04 May 2016 10:56:28
George it's only Evans meddling with team selection, any manager worth his salt, would rather resign them let a chairman tell him who to pick . So if Evans ain't got the gonads to tell Cellino to do one if he tried to interfere, is he worthy of managing our great club . Onwards and upwards to next season, the future is looking White . Hopefully . MOT.

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03 May 2016 12:51:20
So Mr. Cellino wants to raise the bar, by hiring Walter Zenga as new manager/ Coach. I am speachless, I would like to keep Steve Evans.

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03 May 2016 13:09:36
do we know for sure than Zenga is our next manager? also is he any good, all reports say is he moves a lot but doesn't say anything about being decent or pony.

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03 May 2016 13:14:28
Remember the saying don't believe everything you read in the press. Cellino would have to be an idiot to replace Evans with another journeyman coach.

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03 May 2016 13:26:27
Deda
But he is that idiot.

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03 May 2016 13:49:12
very rich man for an idiot, very successful man for an idiot, speaks more than one language, plays an instrement. Oh to be that much of an idiot.

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03 May 2016 14:24:48
Maybe he's become an idiot since amassing his fortune Bermo.

Or maybe you think tax problems, court cases, payouts, settlements and firing the wrong staff is the stuff of genius? In which case Cellino has an IQ well over 200.

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03 May 2016 14:35:57
Irony, George. He inhereted his welth BW. But since when did being welthy =Intelligence? Donald Trump, George Bush.

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03 May 2016 14:54:50
Yes Deda I know but I chose not to over embarrass Bermo. Good job lol.

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03 May 2016 15:12:11
good points, my biggest fear of mc (and I say this as a fan of sorts) is that is might suurround himself with yes men, who would have the balls to say something when he has a bad idea (like pie tax and hriging hockaday) I think trump is far from an idiot as his busniess acumin would suggest just he is outspoken and his views are left field which makes him look suipider than he is like with mc, bush again was bron into it to an extent but still run the worlds most powerful nation for a while and didn't do too bad a job, they are still the worlds most powerful nation.

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03 May 2016 18:27:09
Bermo
Not for long. They are trying to sabotage it.

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03 May 2016 18:59:30
He did not just inherit his money. He worked his grandfathers farm along side his father. He was the one who then expanded the business into new areas. His children might inherit but believe me he worked for it.

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03 May 2016 21:29:39
As much as I don't usually agree with BM, even though I'm from downn the road from him and a former apprentice at his local Millwall F. C, you don't run a business successfully and make money if you are stupid, it doesn't go hand in hand. Cellino is far from silly, so I agree he should be n credit trust and time in what he is trying to achieve . Someone posted earlier that most chairmen stay in the background and are not heard of . we may not, but ask the fans of them clubs about them, I mean congratulations to Leicester on there remarkable achievement, but even I was hearing there chairman was landing helicopter on the pitch before and after games . Why should they? they're investing a lot of money, whatever some may think.

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04 May 2016 14:37:00
what raggity you had trails with millwall. no wonder you don't normally agree with me, it is a well known fact if you have trails at wall you have to have a labotomi before you walk through the training grounds in eltham, I was offered trails but went to leyton instead (didnt make their team either) playing for the enermy raggity tut tut tut.

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04 May 2016 16:30:21
lol BW, busted . Been supporting The Mighty Whites since 1971/ 2 FA Cup final . I signed schoolboy forms there at 14, signed a 2 year apprenticeship at 16, my teachers did call me an idiot regularly . I'm bit before they moved to Eltham, I trained at The Dock Labour ground, on the Sidcup Bypass. Showing my age now. Edward Sheringham was an apprentice there with me. He was a bit better than me! Leyton was a better bet I reckon .

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03 May 2016 11:52:01
Wood has been nominated for a player of the month award. Probably by the same people who thought Leicester were a 5000/ 1 shot for the premiership.

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03 May 2016 12:54:29
Is it April 1st?
Me don't comprehendeh?
Oh. I get it
There's another wood in championship. Got me there Hess!

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03 May 2016 13:10:51
cearly I was on the panel as I rate wood others up for the award are john lukic, john lukic, john lukic and Steve morrision.

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03 May 2016 14:11:05
What about Barndoor Billy?

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03 May 2016 14:31:15
no I never really took to billy even the season before when people rated him I preferd austin and thought we got the wrong man. I am silly paddy but not that silly.

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03 May 2016 11:31:13
Court case with macron put to bed this should pave the way for new sponsors who will have on the front of our jerseys next season.

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03 May 2016 11:49:32
Still got the Enterprise case to go so hopefully we can settle that and move on. How much this is all going to cost is worrying.

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03 May 2016 10:27:02
Just read the headlines in the Y. E. P cellino wants to raise the bar, is this so woody has more chance of scoring.

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03 May 2016 11:45:32
Good point CC. 6 foot wider might help too.

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