Leeds Banter Archive December 05 2011

 

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05 Dec 2011 19:10:06
Any news somma?

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He had cornflakes for breakfast.

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Had him down as a porridge man.

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No, cornflakes. Occasionally 'Honey nut loops'.

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He is South African

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His name is Davide {Ed007's Note - He lives on the second floor........?

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Hes better than cantona

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Should be here just after spring.

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Take it no real information on him as he could actually score ladt season, take it u must be wanting Billy barn door back

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05 Dec 2011 19:02:30
Any news on somma? Surely can't be far off, I rated him last season, but Grayson seemed to start the grella story with him and stopped picking him, could get a chance when keogh goes back.

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Completely different to Grella. Somma played alot of games and scored a few goals. Grella never got a chance where Somma has been unlucky with his injury.

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I think you'll find Somma scored a lot of goals in a few goals

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Grella had his chance and wasn't good enough.

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He was a supersub

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Somma went out on loan, didnt moan and scored 11 goal in 9 games... Grella, winged like F*ck about going on load, didnt score goals, and was what leeds didnt need!

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Grella did OK in the JPT against lower league teams but looked out of his depth pretty much every time he started or came on against a decent team. The whining about being loaned just made it worse. Big ego not matched by his small talent.

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05 Dec 2011 16:04:35
anyone heard anything about Aidy White rejecting a new Contract

hoping its not true!

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When he's worked so hard to get in the team?

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Can't see it - though then again I couldn't see Frazer Richardson leaving (although Grayson offered him less than what he was on, so i don't blame him)

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Think you'll find the board offered him less - the manager of a football club wouldn't normally get involved in contract negotiations outside a game of Football Manager.

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Its seems it was true Phil Hay is tweeting about it now
- he said the full story will be in the YEP today

maybe the Arsenal links are true that i heard!

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Heard that aidy is on 4k pw wants 7k so refused so far, also chelsea and arsenal interested in him but he would stay for 7k

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No doubt all the moaners will turn on the club for this - but who does White think he is? He's only just starting to cement a place in the side, Leeds lad and supposed Leeds fan.

People can say what they want about money. This last week has shown what Leeds United is all about. To me it's amazing that local lads such as Howson and White are messing about so much. This club is on the up, why not hang about and be a part of it? Neither of them would be starters in a Premiership team anyway.

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The last post is utter b*llocks. Two employers offer you a job. One offers twice as much. Which do you take?

Aidy White is a PROFESSIONAL footballer. It's his JOB.

I could understand if we were talking about 50k vs 60k but we're not. By the time his advisers have taken a big slice and the taxman's taken his bit, 4k is not a lot of money - significantly less than 100k net per annum by my calculation.

I don't think any club should pay silly wages but 7k for a first team regular in a team claiming to want premier league football does not seem unreasonable given the current market, and whether or not fans like it, football clubs operate in that market.

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The last poster is talking complete trash. Of course money is a consideration, but likelihood of actually kicking a football competitively has to be thought about surely! If White went to Arsenal, say, how many games would he play in a season? I'd guess at the square root of none!

What's wrong with signing a new contract at Leeds, help get the club up to the Premiership and then start earning Premiership wages, not "just" £7k per week?

By the way, how is £4k per week poor money for a young lad at the start of his career? Football is heading for a major money crisis. The days of players naming their price are numbered. Let's get real.

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Chelsea are actively searching for a replacement for Ashley Cole. Worrying times.

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£4000 per week is not a lot of money? To play football? I've heard it all now, I really have.

I'm twice White's age and I work night-shifts, Bank Holidays (including Christmas Day) etc for about £600 per week - and I'm aware there are many people earning less than me.

Time for a reality check.

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£4k not a lot of money? grow up! i'm a student and i can live off that for a year

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As a student you probably don't have a mortgage and kids, so what you earn is of no relevance whatsoever. Also, you're probably looking forward to a 30 year career earning over 100k per annum.

In any case, it's not what you or I can live off, it's about market forces.

I earn a good living as a director of a software company, but my income is insignificant compared to a lot of the people I work for. Consultant plastic surgeons in private practice for example, can easily earn 4k in an hour. Are any of us worth it? Probably not, but those are the going rates for IT directors and consultant surgeons in private practice.

Aidy White is has a rare and valuable skill with a high market value and you can't argue with the market, it always wins.

You can argue he's being greedy as much as you like but the reality is we will lose players if other teams make them offers they can't turn down.

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The sort of figures you are talking about are neither here nor there mate.

Like it or not, £4000 is a heck of a lot of money to earn in a week and is beyond the wildest dreams of the vast majority of Leeds United fans.

Also, please don't tell students that what they earn is not relevant. It may be to you, but it isn't to him/her. And do you really believe that many students are going to be earning £100000 for 30 years? My days as a student ended 20 years ago, and I can assure you my salary hasn't come close to £100k yet!

I'd love to know which planet you live on.

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I don't know how the poster who patronises students can even use the word "reality".

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You're not reading what I wrote. I don't earn 4k per week - I would very much like to but I don't. The point is, it doesn't matter what you or I earn. Footballers earn more than I do, so do bankers. I don't like that any more than you do but I accept it as a fact of life. And I'm not patronising students. I was a student in the 80s and lived OK on £1,500 per year. What I'm pointing out is that your needs change as you get older. I can't pay the mortgage on my (pretty ordinary) house or bring up my daughter on what I had to live on as a student. Your student income has no relevance to what other people earn.

4k a week might be a lot to me and most people on here, but it's not that great in the world of professional football whether or not you like it.

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You're just not in touch with the real world mate. There would be much less greed in the world, not just football, if people would just take a step back and look at the bigger picture. {Ed003's Note - I do like how the original post has evolved }

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You should all get real, yes well all work in "normal jobs" I'm a window fitter and work self employed for a company and earn £800 a week on average but work very long hours but enough of me, I'm a Leeds supporter through n tbought but id take more money of course,more income the better more comfortable the family, same as football, best we get is Sunday league or 5 aside,but if it was a job it's totally different, don't u all want more money for your work? Just coz we love Leeds doesn't mean every player would play for nothing and play the club to play for them like us supporters would,

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Nobody's asking anyone to play for nothing!

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I think most of what I've said on here in support of Aidy White's position is being completely misrepresented. I'm not condoning the salaries that footballers are paid. I think they're obscene and it p*sses me off that I'm stupid enough to pay so much for my season ticket. The point I'm trying to make and which seems to be getting lost is that whether or not we like it, the going rate is the going rate. Whining about footballers, or me, needing to get real won't change anything.

I've never said that he or anyone else can't live on 4k a week and I don't need to get real. Our total family income - two well paid people - is less than half of that (and I work a 60 hour week) and we have a good lifestyle.

The comparison is this - would an investment banker stay at RBS if Goldman Sachs offered him 2 million instead of his 1 million? Answer - No. Does he need the extra million? Of course he doesn't, but that won't stop him taking it.

If Aidy White gets a better offer then, eventually he'll go elsewhere. Just like Johnson, Kilkenny, Beckford and many, many more. As far as I'm aware, he doesn't have a wife or kids to think about so it's naive to suggest he should be loyal and stay at Leeds. In his position 99% of us would do the same.

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The point you keep missing is that things are soon going to have to change in football. For all the abuse handed to Bates by our fellow Leeds fans, his approach is one that will be mirrored by more and more clubs in the near future.

What's so wrong with wanting players to show some loyalty? Until core values such as this start to make a re-appearance we will always have a national team full of the sort of pampered, spoilt, disrespectful individuals you see today.

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I haven't missed that point and in a sense I agree. I just don't think the market has reached that point yet and, sadly, whilst swimming against the tide might be noble, it usually leads to drowning.

I agree in principle with Bates's stance but there's a balancing act to be done. Pay Ridsdale wages, go bust. Pay Bates wages, lose players.

I don't want us to be reckless and I'm not part of the 'Bates Out' crowd on a Saturday but I'd like to see a little more flexibility and, with young players, a bit more foresight.

We have to pay wages we can afford but if Bates wants promotion he also has to accept that we need to retain our best and most promising players, especially the younger ones.

If handled carefully it should also turn into an investment when the player really wants to go since you get a lot more in transfer fees for promising young players with 2-3 years on their contract (think Delph). Does it make good football or business sense to lose players like White, Lees, Clayton & Howson for little or no money?

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Your last post makes some very fair points. The key to success is definitely the "balancing act" you mention.

Reading Aidy White's latest comments, it does appear he genuinely wishes to sign for Leeds after all. Maybe there was a case here for the result of the initial negotiating stage not being made public?

When all's said and done I respect your viewpoint. It's been good to have a healthy debate without resorting to childish insults, which seems to be the way for many internet forums. We may have many differing opinions but we all want the same thing - to be celebrating at the end of the season!

MOT!!

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05 Dec 2011 15:59:35
Frimpong wants to go out on loan, would be great a addition but will probs go to a low prem team.

HARRIS MOT

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05 Dec 2011 12:56:14
heard sg will be given a 1 million war chest to spend and compete in the January transfer window! but on a serious note kb has stated we he wants us to be next season does he not think he should spend a few pound on 1 or two quality players in order to fulfill his dream of gettin leeds in to the big time at least take a gamble not like the ridsdale gamble but be nice to see a few million paid on a player or two or 1 or 2 top class loans would love to see wayne bridge come in at left back and white can exploit the left wing and utilize his pace he's like our walcott if im honest not frieghtened of the prospect of playing the gunners in the cup either looking forward to that 1 think we will give em a great game! MOT

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Don't hold your breath

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