Leeds Banter Archive March 05 2016

 

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05 Mar 2016 23:31:17
Apparently Evans told Antenucci he was going to score two goals today before the game, he clearly is the best coach/ manager in the world.
All he has to do now is tell Sylvestri he will never concede a goal ever again and tell our forwards they will score every game and in two years time we will win the champions leauge and will do for ever more.
Easy this management lark!

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06 Mar 2016 01:23:49
I bet you anything Evans predos have been coming true even before now. He's got to been telling Wooton before kickoff he will play especially inept and be singularly responsible for over half of our conceded goals.

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06 Mar 2016 11:45:19
Ditto above!

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05 Mar 2016 22:28:24
tbh I do not think the criticism is fair on cellino. Yes I understand he has made false promises but too his defence there has been a lot of things crop up he did not foresee and had to deal with. when he took over he did not realise the work that needed to be done and he has massively changed the financial side of things at the club. Yes he makes mistakes but he does it when he gets passionate and he is passionate for the club so I think cut him a bit of slack.
personally I do not know what people want from an owner. because not every club can be owned by a rich arab just throwing money at the club to make it successful. For me the last 6 months or so he hasn't made massive mistakes and there seems to be a tiny bit more stability within the club. And majority of people slated him for sacking manager after manger. but then he backs steve evans and people want him sacked. Stop being hypocritical.
In my opinion however is that it very much is a defining summer for cellino to see if it does really invest in the squad after seeing this season. if he doesn't then he needs to leave. But these protests I believe are a little harsh on him.

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05 Mar 2016 23:13:49
Absolute disbelief of your post sam. The issue is not just about spending millions, it is hoe he has conducted himself during his tenure. Broken promises, poor treatment of Stephen Warnock, McDermot and Redfearn, second ban by FL looming, forced sale of Byram, pie tax, under funding of playing squad whilst selling our best talent. The list is not exhaustive but yes, the finances have improved albeit half the operating cost reduction was through player sales which cannot be replicated year on year. Apart from that he has done ok.

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06 Mar 2016 01:25:14
Don't forget suspending Thommo and acting like an orangutan during an important PR.

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06 Mar 2016 10:32:16
I agree that M C has not treated certain people correctly . using the media etc on occasions to voice his opinions .
Although this has been less in recent times .
I do believe when M C brought Leeds he had intentions of at least buying ER, only to find massive problems in the way the club was being run, and also having to deal with the other shareholders .
Gfh called ex-chairman to Dubai and locked him up without any trial, are they fit and proper?
M C failed to pay tax on a number of private purchases (yachts etc) , this in my book does not make him unfit to own a football club .
I would hate to think of the number of wealthy people who do the same and bank in more favourable locations .
How many companies who have been found not paying full uk tax are still present in advertising in football?
I'm not pro or against M C at the moment and I would like to give him one more season to show us fans that a light is coming at the end of what seems to be a very long tunnel.

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06 Mar 2016 11:52:52
Agree with Sam disagree with Notts. Cellino for all his faults as bailed us out. Our problem is Gfh they are bleeding us dry lending money to be paid back at high interest rates taking money out of club and charging for directorships. Gfh Out.

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06 Mar 2016 12:18:28
One question to ask is, is he better that Bates/ GFH?

The simple answer is yes, by quite a long way. This is spite of his at times erratic and impulsive behaviour, and I agree that LUFC could well do without this partt of Cellino's conduct and all in brings to the club.

I get a sense that we will possibly appreciate cellino more after he has gone, I think that we are on the way towards becoming a viable option for investment now, I say this part in hope as much as anything.

George, spot n about the hypocrisy of the FL and FA, but buddy up to pretty much anyone with money and power, regardless of how it has been gained, yet come down on cellino like a ton of bricks over his relatively minor tax
dodging.

Next season will be a watershed for MC in terms of player investment.

I differ judgement until then.

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06 Mar 2016 19:29:11
agree with pro MC comments and some of the negitive ones. yes mc shouts mouth off too much pie tax was so stupid. however few massive problems with some of the negitive comment which shows people just want to moan for sake of it and judge for the sake of it.

notts you say we have court case looming why? also you say he has under fundended playing team why. to stop another winding up order. these two comments contradtic each other do they not?

also selling of best talent. no plain wrong mccormack sale was great price. bryam didn't want to be at leeds and last two seasons show that, he won't sign so he has to go. the rest of our best talent have not been sold under MC (cook, talyor, mowatt, ect) you are mistaking MC with bates so please back up your comment here but you can not can you?

all broken promises he has made have been down to bates and GFH.

Now to people like notts, I understand he ain't prefect he does lots of things that have wound me up and I disagree with but he is best thing for leeds at the moment.

To all the mC haters try less moaning and negtivity unless you have a solution or better person to take over (their are none) also please stop with silly comments (he has sold all best talent) as it makes your vaild points hold far less weight.

MOT and to all the fans at the funeral shame on you all IMO. get real, get a grip and be realstic in a modern football world.

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06 Mar 2016 20:09:31
Bermo, this realisticness you refer to in the modern football world you also refer to. Would that be the same world where over a dozen executives from FIFA face criminal charges over a billion dollar bribery and corruption case? The same world where Messi is valued at 240m pounds? Where certain PL players earn over a 100k a week? The same modern world that does produce football clubs with successful business models? And the same football world where most of the well-known English clubs are owned by Arab sheiks, oil tycoons and former arms dealers?

Bermo, we ain't in 1985 anymore where Big Ron Atkinson was the bees knees, ticket prices for a top game was £11.50 and Sky TV was only a glint in Murdoch's eyes.

No, we are not entitled to PL but we are entitled to vie for it every year. We are Leeds. It's not as if we are without pedigree. I realize it's all the fault of Publicity Pete but we've been using that as an excuse for too long now. We have a fairly rich owner. Time to sort it.

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06 Mar 2016 21:57:44
george I literally have no idea what the first two sections of your post are going on about?

what I am refering to is the business world, there are many successful scuturctures out there worth a fortune, earning a fortune with assests (players, sponsership, ground, fan base (worldwide) , status in the relevant industry i. e. being successful in prem)

we have no assests, no real squad, in piles of debt, were nearly a car park, and for ages had our playing assests sold for pea nuts. in a country where only 20 teams can be top rung and 24 teams can compete for 3 spaces every year to become top rung we have no right viving for these three spaces.

yes we have a decent fan base (not world wide we ain't barca) also our decent fan base is not fully behind club at the moment (we are not selling out and buying lots of shirts are we? ) all we have is history and that does not count for anything in a business world (look at woolworths which is nearly what leeds were) .

why should we be viving for these places ahead of teams with better sqauds who have not been run by ken bates and been pillored for years? why should we be competing with richer clubs with better teams who have had longer to build towards this (in business terms leeds are new and unstable at this level)

i don't think mc is that rich and with FFP that is irrelevant to an extent anyway. and does this all fall on MC's door? of course not.

the first few sections of your post make me right, there are players on 100k we can't get near that, there are rich sheks we don't have one, there are successful business models and we have not been one of them for 20 odd years almost. MC is turning us round but making woolworths compete with Apple takes time escpially when they limit the 'apple' like clubs to just 20 clubs a year.

leeds on paper should be league 1 at best that is sad but accurate by all rights leeds should be an historic club that wound up. we survived to be in top 40 clubs in country is nothing short of miricle in business terms on paper.

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06 Mar 2016 22:20:14
Court cases are for Cellino not paying tax, sod all to do with the club avoiding a winding up order. Nothing contradictory about that. My issue has always been with the manner that Cellino conducts himself. As a representative of Leeds United his actions tarnish the image of the club. I support the club not the regime, I am a paying fan and therefore have a right to voice my displeasure but never at games. No more calling out BW, I don't have to justify my opinion to you.

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06 Mar 2016 22:34:23
Bermo, why you ask? Why? I'll tell you why. Because those owners sink in big funds because they have it and they care. Like I said before my jury on MC returns in the summer. We need a big injection of cash.

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07 Mar 2016 09:31:18
notts you don't have to justify your opinion but in the name of debate it does make your voice have more weight behind it. you are free to voice your displeasure but if you put it in an open forum people have a right to disagree and to question your logic. I always try and see both sides and try and use logic in my posts as I think it is the best way to have a debate and not a primary school argument (my dad is bigger than your dad and you smell so shut up kind of row) . I was not calling out I was questioning exact comments people made which didn't seem to stand up to see if they could make them stand up as people have done to me, which I always try and do. back to my point someone stated our best players have been sold under MC (suggesting a ken bates synarino) this is plain wrong, no opinion about that facts are this has not happened. so when people put things like this is might well be questioned and make other vaild points seem far less vaild. and if you don't want to make a vaild comment no point posting in my opinion.

his court case is seperate from leeds so as a represensative it is not good but does it affect the club?

as for the big injection of cash George I don't think mc has it and don't think leeds can support that in the name of FFP most of our reveune is going towards sleeping partners, ex owners, bank loans and debts I don't think too much can go into the club, which is nothing to do with MC.

remember we are all passionate about leeds, some are negitive (rightly so) some are fed up with the negitiviy (rightly so) so when people put things into open forum people who are passionate might dissagree and might ask for comments to be justified. I don't think there is anything wrong with this. freedom of speech and right to voice our voice and all that but by that very statement people have a right to voice against the voice. otherwise we just have nazi germany don't we?

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07 Mar 2016 10:31:47
Sugar coat it all you like BW, you questioned my opinion and then stated that I would not back it up. That to me is calling some out and totally against the spirit of an open debate.

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07 Mar 2016 11:02:29
i am not sugar coating anything notts, you stated MC has sold our best players. I clearly think this is 100% wrong and can not be correct, so asked you where this view point has come from and can you explain this comment to me (which you did not do) . This is very much in the spirt of open debate as that is what a debate is people say things and then others agree or question (hence debate) . I was not rude, I was not personal nor was I biasied in my opinion in the sence I have nothing personal against you. I do not agree with that comment and fail to see how you come to that view point so asked the honest and decent question as well as backed it up by saying RM was a great fee and SB didn't play well for a while and didn't want to stay so I don't think MC had any choice.

i have disagred with a few points on this forum over the past few weeks and others have disagreed with mine. this is fine as long as people can be educated in why they have views (or indeed go against them) .

over the least few weeks a few people have got very personal towards me and in some cases quite rude which is different (i ignored it as I am big man and great so it is easy to love myself and ignore others when you look as good as me and can dance like I dance) so I never try to cause offence or be personal but if you make a comment I think it unjust or incorrect I will ask how you come to that point in a nice and open way.

also notts it was not an opinion you stated but a fact (our best players have been sold under MC) so think it is fair to ask how and why you think this. and I am still waiting on an answer?

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07 Mar 2016 13:40:00
You can keep waiting BW, you have answered your own question.

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05 Mar 2016 22:24:19
Wow that was poor today, but fortunately Evans is there to tell us what happened rather than what we actually saw.
What I saw was a team that was scared, laboured, pedestrian and defensive. A team that did not seem to be playing for anyone, the manager, the owner, the club, the shirt. Exceptions Taylor, Dave, Coyle, Aunty and Cook. Bridcutt was awful totally not interested, Duke and Cayrol only interested when they had the ball. Bellusci was back to his best amateur dramatic best.
We made a poor Bolton side look dangerous.
To many times today we got the ball and our first thought was stop and go back or sideways. Due in no small part to the laziness of Duke and a lack of any forward looking runs.
So I have to ask this question of the great Evans instead of spending the week talking and coming to collective decisions about taking the collective blame how about getting on the training field and working on pass and move, corner routines ( do we have any) , giving the keeper crossing practice, shooting, passing, passing to people in white shirts, closing down ohh and some passion and commitment would be nice to.
I am guessing that Cardiff and Blackburn away will be an absolute treat for the loyal travelling band with more negative and setting up for a point formations from the best coach in his world.

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06 Mar 2016 07:34:12
Couldn't agree more 1LU, Bolton were a very bad side and yet again we struggled to beat a side that hasn't one away from home in almost a year. Still according to Evans after the game we have some exciting times ahead of us, let's hope it is with another manager.

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05 Mar 2016 19:12:18
The reason it dnt feel great getting three points today is one its Bolton two we didn't play great and three we are playing to stay in league rather than play offs! And four I dropped my pie! Doh!

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05 Mar 2016 19:07:22
What you give mrs Danum a rise everytime we win George? Why can't Danum do it? Lol do u want to give my mrs a ride as we won? Save me doing it! Ha! Not a great game today and I lost my pie!

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05 Mar 2016 18:44:52
Well we won, great!
Does anyone else feel a bit, so what!
Or is it just me?
Maybe it's so long since we've won I've forgotten how to celebrate!

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05 Mar 2016 18:49:28
Give mrs danum a ride she won't forget. It does the trick for me.

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05 Mar 2016 19:09:11
Didn't realise you knew Mrs Danum George!

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05 Mar 2016 19:46:13
Think I might just get drunk.
Better idea get her drunk then I might just feel uplifted! 😉.

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05 Mar 2016 20:14:11
is it any wonder we cannot win matches? with all this carry on? George the Gigollo humping everybodys missus, MM trying to get his leg over with his sister in law or the fat barmaid in Spoons. BW and Speedy at it! and the Pull Out Quick Brigade with Cellino! . Elland Road must seem like Sodom and Gomorragh? . Poor Liverlass is not safe coming on here.

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05 Mar 2016 20:19:14
not sure about that I was dancing round the living room when the second one went in. we scored two in one game. amazing super leeds. It was against a popr team but a win is a win, closer to saftey and might help us turn a mini corner. If we lost all hell would of broke lose and we would be moaning (and rightly so) so come on lads let's enjoy a win or no point supporting any team

we only moan when we are winning moan when we're winning.

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05 Mar 2016 20:53:44
Feel even worse now.
She's just reminded me it's not my birthday 'til November! 😟.

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05 Mar 2016 22:06:55
Top post paddy. I'd rather we go up the table. Looking forward to beating the Welshies on Tuesday night.

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05 Mar 2016 22:26:25
I refuse to comment on the above allegations on the grounds that it might incriminate BW.
Good win today, but think it's going to be too late for a playoff push.

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06 Mar 2016 19:31:06
far too late to incriminate me Speedy but thanks for the sentiment this is why I love you most x.

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05 Mar 2016 17:08:51
Kind of ironic too hold a funeral in protest against cellino considering he resurrected the corpse and gave it the kiss of life when he came to the club.

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05 Mar 2016 18:20:47
Hardly wex. Few points off relegation into League One with GFH still co-owner, no ground. He saved us from certain death but his broken promises and misconduct since only translate into a commuted death sentence. Is Cellino really the saviour when he merely replaces the would've been murderers GFH and Bates if he ends up doing it himself a few years later?

No investment this summer you can kiss goodbye to Cook Taylor Mowatt and more.

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05 Mar 2016 19:08:22
We're in a better place financially and as a team I think about 4 or 5 good signings from competing next season personally I think cellino underestimated the task ahead of him hence a few broken promises but before cellino came when was last time we spent 3 million on a player patience we are not entitled to the premier league.

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05 Mar 2016 20:08:52
Pity he isn't doing what you expect from a 3 million pound player, or did we just go and pay way over what he is worth? The later I'm afraid. We would do well to get 1 million if he was up for sale. We also paid 1 million for Wotton I believe, really! Hope I'm wrong as you couldn't give him away.

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05 Mar 2016 20:24:41
sorry but get a grip rather bates back?

forget league one with out mc we would be in north yorkshire nothern league seven sunday league or what ever pub league that would be. Yes he has not brought the club but then he didn't sell it. yes he hasn't took us to prem but only unrealistic people with out a true understanding of football would expect us to be pushing from prem football (we all want it but expect it with our recent history. reallY? )

we still have a club and one person to thank for that. yes he is not perfect yes he has faults but can we please be realistic and have some sense of persecptive.

today I see my leeds team win, two weeks I am coming to cheer on my lads even though I think they will lose, but I still have a team to support. champ league one or even league two leeds is leeds and we nearly we nothing so cheer up and have a drink. we won.

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05 Mar 2016 20:34:43
Wex, 7 players needed and no we are not entitled to PL. We are however entitled to annual decent attempts at the same unless you think a one club city with 900000 people living in it and a stadium capacity for 41000 ain't good enough for you.

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05 Mar 2016 20:47:09
Bang on Bermondsey you've hit the nail on the head.

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05 Mar 2016 22:19:01
Bang on George you've hit the nail on the head.

MM.

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06 Mar 2016 01:26:29
Thanks MM.

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05 Mar 2016 17:03:38
3 points just not good enough sack everyone 😃.

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05 Mar 2016 20:25:41
agree and burn MC and bring back bates. I was expecting at least nine points today and not happy with anything less. I have just applied for my millwall fan membership such is my disgust with our. sorry leeds win today.

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05 Mar 2016 22:21:03
Reality check lads. We beat the worst team in the league who are selling their own car park etc to pay players. If we didn't beat these lot it would be a major worry and we didn't tonk them did we? We are papering over the cracks!

MM.

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06 Mar 2016 11:07:40
True Mad. But at the moment the way things are, I'll take a win of any sort.

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07 Mar 2016 09:32:39
spot on MM truth is we are a poor team so today was a six pointer, worse team in the league but at least the worse team in the league was not us.

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05 Mar 2016 14:58:19
F! It Sack him anyway!

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05 Mar 2016 14:57:02
I can remember Terry Connor scoring important goals for us years back in the old 1st div. and he was only a teenager!

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05 Mar 2016 16:38:04
I can also remember him being able to trap a ball as far as I could kick it.

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05 Mar 2016 14:47:52
I thought Mowatt was one of the better players against Brighton, surprised to see him not starting.
Then again his agent has contradicted Evans this week so maybe that might have something to do with it!

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05 Mar 2016 14:39:46
Just my personal opinion but celling has managed to get leeds financialy stable for the first time in a long time also every one is blaming se but they are supposed to be professional football players and should be able to adapt to any formation or position but like I say just my opinion.

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05 Mar 2016 14:57:17
Agree mate but they are mostly crap so can't adjust their underpants.

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05 Mar 2016 18:24:10
You are both right.

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05 Mar 2016 14:02:05
2-0 tonight
Who would I keep
Silv. As no2
Berradi. Cooper. Taylor. Cook. Mowatt Brid. Doug.

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05 Mar 2016 13:51:09
Surely we must win today, very nervous though, going to be a long afternoon unless we score early. Struggle to imagine who will score for us tbh.

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05 Mar 2016 08:59:48
Anything other than 3 points today and I can't image the big fella will keep his job (and nor should he if we can't beat that shower! )
The question is who could we bring in, who would be prepared to work under MC and accept the average wage (I assume) to do so?
Worrying times maybe, but 3 points and all will be sweet and Mrs Kebab can look forward to my naked victory dance (but I am getting out of practice)

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05 Mar 2016 10:52:54
It wouldn't matter who he appointed the Leeds fans would not except him!

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05 Mar 2016 13:49:18
Just heard a rumour Mrs kebab has made the boys half time sandwiches! We shall see mate!

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05 Mar 2016 08:54:13
0-0 bore draw today, sub 20k crowd and big steve to have a a dozen takeaways tonight.

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05 Mar 2016 09:23:44
What do you reckon his takeaway of choice is?

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05 Mar 2016 09:34:18
He might not have time to eat if he's clearing his desk.

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05 Mar 2016 09:52:18
should eat his own words.

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05 Mar 2016 10:49:37
oneleeds. Eating his own words the ultimate in recycling his own waste products.
I used to like what big steve (from now on I will refer to him as BS) said but he's lost the plot now. Is this the MC effect and a sign that he is nearing the end of his job?

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