Leeds Banter Archive November 05 2014

 

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05 Nov 2014 19:51:49
Most games that we play, the stats come up about our record against the opposition, and its usually not very healthy in the favour of Leeds!! Usually we haven't beat them since nineteen dot!! we have quite a few bogy teams as the term goes!! This is an indication of how far we have slipped down the football pecking order! The reasons why are well documented! Without a Man City type takeover and investment the return is not going to be overnight! We are where we are with MC and we are going to have to give Redders and his young team time! None of us like it, I know! but we have to face reality! The footings are being put in place for the build ahead!! MOT

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Kjc
Best post I've seen
Word perfect!!!

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Kjc. Well wrote bang on!!

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Great post KJC, the problem will be I fear Redders will not be given time to stabilize the club. MC needs to change his whole outlook on running the club & allow the people he employs to run the football side of things to do their job without the interference we have seen so far from MC. He is obviously a very astute businessman, & is exactly what our club needs, however to change coach every 6 weeks will never work, he also needs to let whoever he employs as first tem coach to sign their own players.

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Hock was a terrible appt and I believe MC must have taken bad advice from someone. Results meant he had to go.
Dark Destroyer credentials were good and honest. it must have been a close call between NR and DM. But DM also walked in on the back of a great run (under NR(. To not then win in six games as a new manager meant MC had to stick or twist. He twisted as clearly DM changed the tactics and was too negative also.
I don't think MC has got either sacking wrong but hopefully has made a sensible decision this time, and will give Redders time. A better display against Cardiff and even better agianst Charlotn but need some luck. Keep the faith. MOT

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Shaggy
I do think Redders will be given more time. And this idea that managers at every other club always sign their own players is maybe not 100% accurate. I'm sure owners who have pumped billions into a club like to stick their tuppence worth in every now and again. And a manager or coach can only recommend players to an owner and see if the owner will stump up the cash to buy em. I think this insistence on a manager over a coach is overrated. If a coach trains the team, chooses the team, and can recommend players he wants to bring in, I don't really see any problem. I actually think he's likely to know the payers better than a manager would

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{Ed001's Note - Spurs managers don't sign the players, they have a man called Baldini who deals with the transfers. In recent years their managers have often been presented with players they have expressly asked not to be bought. Yeah not sure that is a soothing thought or not, considering how they have underperformed. Another example is Pardew at Newcastle, he doesn't pick their signings either.}

It will never work if the owner decides what players we buy.MC clearly said on ssn the coach will have very little influence on who we buy MC said will decide which players we buy & too let the coach/ manager to decide who we buy is his not way of working, it is probably for this reason MC has sacked so many coaches in the last 22 years in his eyes they are the right players & they are being coached wrong". it will never work, the man in charge of the players must have some say in the players he wants. ED maybe it is for that reason Spurs do not quite live up to the promise everyone has in them if somebody else decides what players they buy.

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{Ed001's Note - exactly my point mate.}

07 Nov 2014 11:24:43
I agree I feel the manager/coach should be in charge of all first team matters including the players signed and sold. However while certainly not sure I do believe many teams on the continent operate this way with great success. Be interesting to see if they do operate this way and if so why it seems to work better aboard than it does here?

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05 Nov 2014 19:18:43
Just watched high litres, our back 4 look p@@s poor and our goalkeeper is also looking jittery.?

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Don't matter how good your keeper is his defence has to help him out, look at Minoelet at pool last year he looked great now the defence is rocky the keeper is getting questioned.

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Essex
He might have had a couple of recent jitters I agree, but there have been several games where he has kept us in it, and as Andy says, it's hardly a defence to inspire confidence

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Agree with both you boys, we need to sort out our BAD defence before it's to late!

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05 Nov 2014 16:56:02
Watched Adryan carefully last night, at times he reminded me of Alan Smith.

Redders looks like he is feeding him on raw meat.

Adryan will only get better.

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Alan smith? now I had alan down as hard working, tough, fit as a butchers dog but no flair or talent and very poor scoring rate for out and out striker who offers nothing else in the way of flair and creativity. What little I have seen of adrayan is full of skill, creatvity and flair but poor staiminer and not hard working or in it for the team which is the exact opposite of smudger. wondering if your thoughts of smith is different to mine or if I have adrayan wrong which is possible as seen little of him

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05 Nov 2014 18:36:25
Bermondsey you are right my friend, Adryan does look a little like smith did but in terms of how he plays that is it, I can't see any real connection. Smith was a worker and an agressive tackler + fit like you say (Adryan ain't). Adryan does have potentially real skill with some nice flicks here and there (smith didn't).

I can't see Adryan scoring many (oh that is a bit like smith ha ha), no I liked Smith he made the most of what very little he had so fair play

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DG
If we had 11 smiffs we wouldn't be in the championship now & we'd be all happy Leeds fans ;)

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If we had 11 smiths we would have have 11 honest players with not much else, we would have to play the hoofball people hate as we would have no abilty to pass, we would also suffer as we would have no big man up front and a very small goalie 11 smiths would make confence at best :P

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Loved Alan Smith. Gutted when he left. And I agree Adryan will not score loads of goals, but he will bewilder defenders and get us plenty of free kicks in juicy areas

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If we had 11 smiths. We would t need to hoof ball cause we would win 90% of tackles and run and work more than anybody else and scare a lot out if tackles
Shame on you mentioning adryan in the same sentence.
Smith and milna can walk with pride. The only 2 that can from that year!

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06 Nov 2014 14:48:52
If we had 11 smiths they would have left to play for man utd! And now be playing for notts county. but I know where you're all coming from :)

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The same smith who with viduka and kewell won the old first division??
The Same guy who won the league against beckham, giggs, scholes, etc etc NOT many players have done that
Ummmm!!

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Relegation my man!

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Am I missing something smith who with viduka and kewell won the old first division? getting smith muddled up with rod wallace which is understandable as they look similar only difference is rod could score got a goal of the season and was a constant threat smith was over rated goalscorer whoes goal rate once he left leeds speaks for itself. and win the league agains beckham giigs and scholes. true not many players can say that certainly no leeds player or smith can say that, that is for sure :)

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Guess your right BW and Sir Alex was wrong signing Smudger?
Am I missing something ere!!

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Smith was one of fergies worst buys, any stirker who is signed then has to play as defensive mid because he is that poor up front can not be seen as good signing can he? also what's all this about winning the league and won the league against becks, giggs, scholes etc you do know that isn't correct right? that's why I thought I missed something?

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BW
3 weeks ago you couldn't remember the football we played in 80s/90s and I throw a red herring in and YOU BITE. (I didn't even have a worm on the hook) Your Alzheimer's didn't last long buddy lol

Andy MOT 1 BW 0 Game over

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Andy what? I can't remeber the football we played in the 80's as was born in 83 and didn't support leeds until 89/90. from that point on my football knowldge (or stats anyway) is very good as I have great memory and i'm sad and look things up. I have never said can not remember the 90's, that is not alztsimers mate that's called being a toddler :). also what's this red herring and biting all about andy 1 bw 0, firstly I would like to disagree with this score and take it to the dubious goals pannel, also I didn't realise we were playing against each other as I thought we were both leeds fans suporrting the same team :) back to smith yes bad buy by fergie think most would agree he was a man u flop

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07 Nov 2014 11:27:02
to me it feels like Andy dropped the ball and tried to turn it onto Bermondsey. Very witty reply by the way BW. I did not realise people were keeping score if you ever need a judge to look over procedures please let me know, more than happy to re-don the wig and dust off my gabble. Sorry Andy for me that is never 1-0

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Sorry been reading over this and it doesn't quite make sense Andy. firstly I have never said I do not remeber leeds football in 90s (you always repost things when I make comments yet no repaste here?) also even fans who do not remember 90's leeds would still probably know leeds team that won league. I do not remember revie era but can name team. also mentioning smith who played in 00's makes no sense. like mention radabe playing in revie team the dates are not close. I think you made a genuine mistake and like the judge said tried to put it on me? what do people think? OPA judge dare I say BW 1 andy 0 game over?

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07 Nov 2014 14:58:26
well looking over the evidence I have to side with Mr Bermondsey I am afraid Andy. The evidence would suggest either a mistake thinking Smith was part of the title winning team as the story of it being some kind of bate doesn't add up at all in any way. As Mr B states not knowing about 90's leeds would still not put smith in that team as you know about 00's leeds. Also seems a very odd thing for Andy to do in the first place to be honest. Still we are all leeds and our motto is marching on together not trying to catch out people with fake stats. mr B 1- Andy 0

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05 Nov 2014 16:46:53
So. MC has come out and said he "Cant get a mortgage" to buy ER back. What the hell is wrong with using a small portion of the family millions to do this.

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05 Nov 2014 17:51:02
I was of the understanding that he is not pushing forward to buy back ER because of his so called partners and their dodgy dealing! GFH have not signed to take responsibility to write off the debt they had verbally agreed to. If MC buys back ER then their 25% stake is worth more and if they are not playing the game then why should he pay out for their gain? I completely sympathise with his thought process - if indeed my understanding of the situation is correct.

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Rover
According to his interview on Monday he is trying to buy ER before Xmas but wants the shareholders (I'm guessing GFH) to back him!!
Would you put ALL the money up if you wasn't the sole owner?

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I think you are spot on peacock. That's what Cellino said on radio Leeds.

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05 Nov 2014 15:49:34
8-0 nil on Saturday would be nice :)

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That would be lovely smitch

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I'd settle for 1-0

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Fulham had 32 attempts on goal tonight . Surely were due a goal fest here

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{Ed003's Note - And until the sending off B'pool were 2 up and controlling the game - stats are not the whole story of games.}

05 Nov 2014 14:34:51
To me it felt like a defeat last night, even if the ref was s***e we can't go the rest of the season letting referees decide games for us, we need to be more disiplined at the back and start taking games by the scruff of the neck, still need that wide man with pace up front so the full backs don't have to work the flanks so often.
If we lose Sat, can I have permission for Bottom Lip to wobble.

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We need older players in the side, we have too many kids I feel. Playing 1 or 2 of them is fine by me but last night we had 4 youngsters and that's without 23 year old Doukara and 24 year old Silvestri.

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Good thing is young team is getting experience and should gel and get better with age hopefully :)

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Be careful what you wish for SMitch. Take Adryan, Cook & Mowatt out of that team and the future wouldn't look that bright. My worry is that if we don't go up this/next season all three of them could be lured away by premier league teams.
Adryan on loan anyway so he might not here next season anyway. Let's get the most out of him while he's here

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Danum
Cook & mowatt playing well, IMO Adryan wouldn't get in the first 11 unless he improves his fitness and workrate ;)

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Good point danumwhite, I have read a few leeds fans saying they wouldn't want promotion this year for one reason or another which seems really odd, if we don't go up we could contiune to get our best players cherry picked although I think mc would get a better price. I would hate to see mowatt and cook leave, I would also love to see adryan signed long term as think he could be good if fitness and strenght was improved

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Bermondsey, I think we shouldn't go up until everything has fully gelled and fallen into place otherwise we'll end up struggling like Burnley are and will go straight down. Also hopefully now Cellino is in charge other clubs won't bully us into selling our players, judging on Redfearns recent comments I don't see Cellino selling Mowatt or other youngsters

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I can see your logic to an extent surrey but to me saying you don't want leeds to go up is crazy. 1stly we all want leeds to win, win enough you go up, so that is almost saying I want leeds to lose, certainly not win every game. also there is no saying things will gel or click later on? the sooner we go up the sooner we get more money, higher status better players. not going up is not a proven thing saying things will get better, going up is a certainy of more money if nothing else. also look how average teams have done in prem some ain't done too bad while some good championship teams have not kicked on as expected. we have been out of prem for over a decade if we ain't ready now maybe we will never be. I agree things are going right way and are getting better but to say you wouldn't take instant success this season if possible is crazy imo

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05 Nov 2014 14:30:25
Poor decision making by Bellusci, a mistake by Silvestri, a dodgy referee and a lucky opponent cost us three point last night. Redfearn will make mistakes during his reign however on the whole I thought the formation and personnel were right to contain a side with more confidence than us. The downside is that we created very little scoring chances and relied upon two good goals by Mowatt. It is important for Redfearn to recognise when players are tiring or having little positive input on the game. I would have taken off Bianchi before Adryan (or possible both as well as Doukara). The substitution of Adryan followed a slight tweak in the formation with the midfield operating as a flat 4 but in a slightly deeper laying position. This unfortunately stretched the distance between our defence and attack which encouraged Charlton to play from the back and attack down the middle. Although a bit hit and miss Adryan was occupying the centre midfielders and centre backs as they were not sure who should pick him up, with him off the pitch and the formation tweaked this removed the problem for them. Sometimes attack is the best form of defence particularly if you have our capabilities of defending as a team

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05 Nov 2014 13:17:07
So from what I can gather from posts below
We want pearce, morrison sharp and austin back in the team!
Well there's 4 out of saturdays 11 sorted. i'm sure the two strikers will run around bumping into defenders a lot, pearce will look like he wants to head the ball but won't and austin will hit at least 4 shots either over or wide. let's get the other warnock and mcd players back. I love seeing players not want the ball and hoof it up field and foul a lot!

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Ausman, do I detect just a tiny touch of sarcasm :)

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Excuse me ausman sacrasim is what I do. bring back the hock he would sort this team out

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Ausman, Just taking different blogs and putting them together isn't clever. At the moment I think we need Austin. To improve we need someone with his drive and strength but more perception. As he playing now I don't rate Morisson and Pearce, whilst been committed, lacks skill, speed and consistency. Due to the lack of anything better I would bring back Austin and Pearce but not Morisson. Other contributors would probably leave out Austin and bring in the others. I don't think many would want to bring back all three but to be quite honest there is not much to choose.Whichever combination goes out on the pitch will leave us short in one or more areas. We need a front man like Holt, a wide man like Harry Bunn, a strong pacy centre half with proven good experience and a middlefielder who can boss the middle and allow the youngsters to develop and express themselves. To get all these wouldn't be far off what MC would have to pay to get ER back. Quality doesn't come cheap and rarely in January.

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05 Nov 2014 14:58:25
Austin not good enough and playing him solves nothing, do need someone to help Bianchi but its not him. Play Bellusci in front of a back four if you just want an enforcer in midfield. The answer is for the midfield to track back more to help out when defenders are pushing up. Look at the goal Cardiff got, long hopeful punt but only Bellusci getting back to cover it, and he gets the blame, when everyone else was stood watching

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Bige: I agree Austin is not good enough but he is the best we have doing that job which we desperately need doing. We need a strong experienced mid fielder to boss the centre; a pacy wide man and a good frontman in the mould of Grant Holt. I haven't seen anyone in the squad to do those three jobs yet. Until we get them I don't care how Redders tweaks the squad there will be little change - maybe a little better maybe a little worse but nothing significant. We could just keep changing the coach!!

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Just amnother point Bige. As far as skill is concerned and confidence on the ball Bellusci has more of those two attributes than most the rest of the midfield. I don't know about playing him in front of the back four but if he could master the technical bits he would be much more than an 'enforcer'.

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Made this point in post below about holt, great player but would be useless in our team. Holt is effective in a hoof ball direct team which many fans on here are not fans of and don't want to see at ER (which I can understand to a point) shapre is another player who would be better in a hoofball direct team. I agree with holt being good but only in right team playing the right (or wrong) way

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Don't remember Norwich playing 'hoofball'

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05 Nov 2014 17:47:09
Hessian, my point was Austin is not the answer, agree we need the players you suggest, wide player, someone to boss midfield etc. Hope we get some of them in Jan window. Would rather see Belusci in that midfield role than Austin as I think he is a class player and will turn his hand to it. However we bought him to play defence so unlikely so it is up to one of the others to step up to the plate, which they will eventually. As everyone keeps saying it is a young side, but one that has shown its potential and with a couple of wins will start showing their character. Just think that picking Austin, Morrison, Tonge is a backwards step. Should be looking to the future, If a player is not going to add to the progress of the team should not be here. My only complaint about Tuesday was Redders waited till 90th min to blood Monty, should have done it at 2-1 mot

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You do not have great memory then hesslian. norwich where very direct and 'hoofball' when getting out of championship and when first in prem. strikers like holt thrive in direct team and struggle in a pass and move ticka tacka type team

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That's the second time Monty has come on for just two minutes. Can't see the point.

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05 Nov 2014 11:24:07
Several positives from last night I think. No team is going to play well for 90 minutes every game especially when it is trying to snap an 8 match winless streak, that weighs heavily, watch the load lift from the players shoulders with our first win, hopefully Saturday!

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God vid I hope so too. We really need that win on Saturday

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05 Nov 2014 11:13:57
We need the new players to step up.
Keeper and Antunucci decent but the rest?
Bellusci doesn't seem to know how to defend.
Bianchi and Adryan don't seem capable of taking the game by the scruff of the neck. Still unsure about Doukara, who can be a handful but often looks bewildered. Next game stick Montenegro out wide and Sharp up front, maybe even alongside Morison and let's get at the opposition more because at the minute we are too lightweight up front. Maybe Sharp and Morison can show more aggression and get at defenses' more?
Antenucci is doing well but maybe a break will do him good, and keep him on his toes too. Drop Bellusci and bring back Pearce, although two left footers at the back might be awkward with Cooper also left footed. No harm to give Bellusci a kick up the arse to get him focused on defending properly. All these new players and our 3 best players this season IMO. Cook. Mohwatt. Warnock. Oh, I nearly forgot the keeper!

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Good post Cork, and Bellusci is suspended so will be having an enforced rest, which I agree may not be a bad thing. Do need to try some various permutations up front I agree, and I'm sure Redders thinks that too. I just hope Blackpool don't choose Saturday to put on a performance

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Ere ere cork

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05 Nov 2014 11:12:44
Think the FL need to be looking at GFH instead of Cellino. They hold a 25pc stake and are unwilling to invest in the club but want Cellino to spend big so they can reap the rewards is def not in our best interests which is what the FL should be looking at and their past dubious dealings. Hope Haigh comes out with some truths after the crap they are putting him through. They still have not signed off part of the debt they put us in, They have lied right down the line and any test taken on them when they took over the club needs scrutinising. Personally think it was a case of Bates calling in favours from his FL friends to sell to GFH so he could keep a hold on certain assets. Hopefully Cellino can sort it out mot

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05 Nov 2014 10:49:01
nr happy but didn't play well only in patches goals brill adryan charges to players they walk round him needs to slow down and hold them they then tackle thought cooper was good he should keep place sorry peace he won headers so time for a run out the Italian injury the one in midfield not as good lately but didn't lose as for ref blind as a
bat one sided and ran the game bit like a german
leader many years ago name started with H .
the fa don't like mc so have ref's be told to stuff
us . great mowatt and well played cooper much
beter should keep place but pearce capt but i'd
leave in out . no murphy morison hunt so jan
should go then wage bill what 90k a week off
blackpool need a 3-0 win cheer all up

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05 Nov 2014 09:41:20
Was at the match. Let's be clear Charlton were poor - very poor. Even so we didn't create that much and conceded two. Mowatt's goals were excellent his first however was a swing and let's hope after a poor first touch. The mid field is far too lightweight (Cook, Mowatt, adryan and Bianchi) and will let any team that gets possession run at us from deep and give us problems. For all his faults we are not as good when Austin is not playing. If we are going to get better as a team we need an Austin like player - but better, decent front (In the Holt mould) and pace out wide. Adryan is nice to look and has some nice touches but at the moment we will not see him at his best because of the lack of drive power and control elsewhere in the team. I like Bellusci because he has skill unfortunately again he can be a liability at times.
Huddersfield, for example, have improved immeasurably since we beat them. Main reason - Grant Holt, second - Harry Bunn. third -confidence gained by having them in the team. They got Holt we got Sharpe - enough said - plus we have no pace and no width. Redders on his own cannot work miracles and is no substitute for decent players playing in their correct positions. Survive this year hopefully and pushon next season. Best scenario.

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Glad to read some reports from people at the match. I am sure it will improve. Yes we should be beating charlton but I am sure things will get better. Great news about Mowatt, he is becoming a great midfeild goalscorer and they are rear and valuble to either sell or even better to keep. I see what you are saying about holt but he would be useless in our team due to our style of play, holt thrives on hoofball and long direct play, although good he would not suit our team atm, same with Sharpe he would be a better player in huddlesfield team due to their style. Players are only as good as the set up they play in, messi may not be as good at west ham. I would like to see us try and get more out of sharpe but sure redders will improve things

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05 Nov 2014 04:10:55
When I saw team sheet I thought that was prob our best starting 11.
Now everybody is saying that most of our ex good buys are now crap. How can we perform consistently and have a semi settled team when players form all over the place. Belucci and ant were brilliant a few games ago.
It must be hard for coach. Just when he thinks he has nailed his 11, half starting playing dodgy! And he has to try other players!
Warnock is a def starter and captain for me. He might be a bit lapsical some times but he brings so much more to out team!
Good for youngsters too. They seem consistent. Goalkeeper obv ok. Adyan started ok.
Stats say we were all over them. Bad news we only got a draw
Cardiff walloped too. Apart from top 2. Rest are same as us. Hit and miss! Easy league to get out of.
Its not the coach. Its our players that need a kick up the backside.

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Ausman we beat the top 2!!

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Sorry I never agree with this players from all over the place it is just rubbish. Look at saints pelle, tadic (I could go on) from all over the place yet doing well, same could be said for city and chelsea it don't matter where they come from if good enough. I like the look of most of our players just think things need to click which I think they will.

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Andy
Maybe they learn from their defeats!
We dont!
Thus is why
They at top and we arent
We have needed a quick player for 3 years. that's how long we take to figure things out!

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Ausman
I know what your saying but we've NOT had an owner in the past 3 years to invest in a quick player ;(

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Weve bought lots of slow players in last 3 yrs!

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