Leeds Banter Archive December 06 2014

 

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06 Dec 2014 23:11:15
Good post 1LU we all keep th faith but god they frustrate the . k out of me!!

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We are inconsistent at the moment but then the whole league is really look at Derby lost to us which must be seen as a blip by them, that's what makes this league exciting. We must get more consistant to climb up the table. Good point made by lu1 about us doing well against footballing team but fall apart against hoof ball teams. Shows how hoof ball still has a place in the game and maybe is the way forward in this league. Ipswich do not have the second best team in the league yet are where they are and looks like they took us apart. Hope we learn how to deal with this and sure redders will address the situation

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Totally agree bw

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06 Dec 2014 19:49:46
Ok back to basics redders because forget wingers we need a solid defence first that was awful and I was bloody cold!! Plus points? None apart from they are in form and top of table err? But then so were derby work that out?

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06 Dec 2014 20:50:03
Easy to work out Peterborough we are a passing team and will always struggle against a hoof ball side like Ipswich whereas sides like Derby,Boro and Bournemouth we can play against.
An off side goal and a very dodgy pen again today did not help.
Antenucci is not a target man and today we needed to play the channels and get their Neanderthal centre backs turning.
Our goal was very well worked and should have been the template for another win.
Keep the faith boys and girls passing football will win out MOT

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06 Dec 2014 19:15:20
Just saw Adryan's play acting against Derby. Redder's needs to have a word with him. We can't have that kind of rubbish in a white shirt. Disgraceful.

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07 Dec 2014 10:04:09
Totally agree. One of the most embarrassing things I've seen. Sure someone will get a grip of him.

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I think we should allow him one. Of course it was disgraceful, or would be if it continued to happen, but it made me laugh. And I'm sure when he sees it back he won't be planning a repeat any time soon. He is only 12 after all :)

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06 Dec 2014 17:44:21
Playing kids in midfield away to the team in second is madness Redfearn, carry on and he'll be out.

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06 Dec 2014 20:01:56
Would you prefer to play Tonge Murphy Austin and Norris?

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Don't usually agree with you SMitch regarding young midfielders but I am starting to come round to your way of thinking.
Maybe it is time to rest at least one of them.

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Austin and Tonge perhaps yh, as holding midfielders, allowing Adyran, Mowatt and Bianchi the chance to push forward. Coulda easily played 4231, but Redfearn won't change formation for some reason, if its broke, don't fix it is his motto

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Keep the kids in. It will be up and down but experience is a great thing. Things will soon click into place. Remember Alan Hansen about Scum. " you don't win anything with kids".

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The kids are good players and will prove to be quality players, that's how its looking, however they are not always the answer, especially against physical sides. The same midfield 4 are getting beaten week in week out, so its not working is it? Not difficult to work that out

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06 Dec 2014 17:28:18
Keep and clean sheet and solid at back against top of league. Next game replace the cb that essesially made the back four solid against Derby and we get battered. Where's the logic in that?

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06 Dec 2014 18:08:57
Bellusci is injured you can't blame Redfearn for that!

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Floyd, not Redfearn's fault for Bellusci being injured but you can blame him for the lack of innovation when it comes to tactics. Against Derby the entire team performed well, which Redfearn should take the plaudits for preparing the team that performed so well. Unfortunately the quality of à good manager is the ability to effect the game when things are not going well. Redfearn currently lacks this quality

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06 Dec 2014 17:19:42
Oh dear.another banjaxing - disappointing after the great display last week. Would be good to sign Pavoletti in the Jan window (if we're not embargoed), but seems like its the defence that needs most attention. I see Bellusci was out today and was replaced by Pearce. Hmmmm.

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Thought he was a singer.

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This one is prolific in serie A, if he's as good as Antenucci then yes please :)

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Pearls a singer.

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Andy, I think you are correct, and I've heard She stands up when she plays the piano In a nightclub.

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06 Dec 2014 17:14:28
See were dishing out the Presents early.

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06 Dec 2014 16:41:50
Jason Pearce would not get into my Sunday league team. Complete waste of a shirt. Most of the team were off today especially in the 2nd half

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06 Dec 2014 15:53:38
captain back .results back to normal

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06 Dec 2014 14:56:36
Leeds to score within 5 min
And win 4-1

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What the???
Cmon ffs!

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Well one out of two Ausman

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ABSOLUTELY POO! The lot of em!

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Bugger.

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06 Dec 2014 12:12:45
Daily petition update. 18, 600
Can we get it to 20,000 by tomorrow?
Come on lads.
MOT and 2 fingers to Shaun Harvey

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06 Dec 2014 10:16:17
Ok Massimo Cellino if you are banned as an owner or director from Leeds United by the FL I am delighted to offer you free of charge my seat which is QQ93 entrance 4 in the West Stand known as the John Charles Paddock.
Please enjoy.

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05 Dec 2014 20:17:44
Guys just wrote this article on MC think I got it about right? Posted it in the London economic after a real hack job on MC with a guy who started his report with 'I had a smirk on my face when I herd Cellino was to be banned' Fed up with negative press all the time.

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December 5th, 2014 17:05


To Add

After reading many accounts on how Massimo Cellino the owner of 75% stake in Leeds United is constantly made to be the pantomime bad guy, I thought it right to have a second view of him instead of a piece written by someone who has no idea of what he is doing at Leeds or the charges against him.

At the time of writing the football league have asked LUFC to suspend Massimo in 28 days, due to being found dishonest in a tax avoidance case in Italy. I think it only fair to look at this further. I am not going into any past convictions as they have no bearing on the topic of discussion today. The reason I say that is because of the rehabilitation of offender act says they are spent and I believe every person as the right to move on from past convictions and so does the law.

If we look at the case against him it is for unpaid tax on a yacht called 'Nellie'. So how did Massimo find himself in this position? Firstly he was a USA resident from his house in Miami. A Florida-based company, Freetime Miami owns the yacht and Massimo is a manager within this company. The company purchased the yacht and all taxes on the said yacht were paid in full to the USA.(in uk law this is the end of it and no charge could be applied to Massimo) After some time the yacht was sailed into the med and moored in Italy where he was allowed to keep the yacht for a period of time. Cellino said he had intended to have the yacht sailed back to the US but that its transfer had been held up by mechanical damage and as such the judge ordered it's confiscation due to it being in Italian waters longer than was allowed and charged Massimo with trying to avoid paying VAT which of course was paid in full in the USA.

He was in due course found guilty of trying to avoid VAT and fined 600k euros. He has appealed this and under Italian law has no conviction against him while the appeal process goes on. Under Italian law you are not guilty until you have exhausted your appeal rights.

This is the case against Cellino that the football league are perusing to ban him from owning a UK football club under the fit and proper person test as they argue he was dishonest.

To add to this some more under appeal against the football league the QC Tim Kerr agreed that this in itself was not dishonest and stated that until the full ruling from the court in Italy is seen he should be allowed to own Leeds Utd. The football league say they have now got a copy of the ruling and it implies he was dishonest which is why they have now moved to ban him from LUFC. It is also worth noting that Massimo Cellino could own and run any company within the UK legally, and his tax avoidance in Italy would have no bearing on it.

Now the football league fit and proper person test is to protect the club from dastardly persons who could damage the club and the football league is there to work in the best interests of the clubs within the league. This is very important as we need to look at those words 'work in the best interests of the club' when we look at what Cellino has done for LUFC.

Before he took over LUFC was loosing over 1 million a month and the parent company at the time GFH was unable or unwilling to service any debts to keep the club from administration. Cellino bank rolled the club to the tune of about 7 million prior to his takeover. If he had not done this the club would have fallen into administration. Upon taking over he went on a cost cutting exercise that was derided in the press and generally made the laughing stock of. He settled numerous winding up orders from HMRC to lawyers left by a previous owner Ken Bates. He then bought 15 new players who were a better standard for the most part then what we had previously. He bought players not on high wages but players who came on reduced wages with the incentive of good results equals more money. That in itself is a breath of fresh air. He sold Ross Mcormack who yes was our leading goal scorer but he sold him for close to 11million which for a Championship player must be some kind of record. He engages the fans, yes he is a little eccentric but who doesn't love an eccentric? On the 1st of December he announced a new cash injection of 20 million into LUFC using his own money not getting a loan and burdening the club further. He has stated that one of his goals is to by back Elland Road our stadium which was sold in 2006 to pay debts and Shaun Harvey (yes the same Shaun Harvey the football league chief exec) oversaw this sale and the consequent administration of LUFC.

So taking the football league mandate of working in the best interests of the club many are wondering how given his financial input, stability and investment in Leeds how could banning him for less than 77 days be in any way in the best interest's of Leeds Utd? His case is considered spent on the 15th of March 2015 and the league agree he will be able to carry on owning LUFC on this date.

Some background information should go along with this piece and it would be very remiss of me not to mention these.

When Ken Bates owned LUFC Shaun Harvey became our MD. This was after he had been the MD of Bradford seeing Bradford go into administration twice. When at Leeds he then presided over Leeds going into admin so we are talking about one who does not have the best record of running a football club, indeed he would probably fail the fit and proper person test that he is so using against one who can actually run a football club. The Ken Bates connection is a very interesting one as he stated when owner of Leeds and I quote
" I shall not rest until Leeds United are kicked out of the football league. There fans are the scum of the Earth, absolute animals and a disgrace. I will do everything in my power to make this happen".
Now we have Ken Bates colleague in a position of power within the football league being the CEO and Leeds seemingly been made an example of again. Previously we were docked an unprecedented 15 points for going into admin in 2007. This has never been given to any club before or since. This brings us fairly up to date with the football league again trying to ban our owner which has never happened before even with one owner of Birmingham being arrested, charged found guilty of money laundering and now resides in prison. Or a number of others with charges, convictions for rape, racism, embezzlement or financial mismanagement at best. Look at Blackpool and the turmoil they are going through but the football league do nothing. Ahh yes of course one of the owners of Blackpool are on the football league board who voted to try and ban Cellino.

So looking at the above are Leeds supporters paranoid or do we have some justification?

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Bloody excelent mate
Bunch of fling crooks the fl. every one of them!

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Great post. You could also mention Ched Evans, he only served half of his sentence though the FL seemed ok with him training at Sheffield. Would have to say rape is far worse than an unproved tax case.

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06 Dec 2014 07:25:10
A quality post only thing is it's made my blood boil again!

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06 Dec 2014 09:18:58
your post is spot on!

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Great post Spain,
I just wish we could take your post to Harvey and his cronies with tv cameras present, make him read it out and then get his reaction.
Now that would make good telly!

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Great post Spain couldn't of put it better mesen!
There is 2 many inconsistencies and conflict of interests. I wouldn't be surprised if the fraud squad get involved at some point. and I hope they bloody well do aswell. 2 many funny handshakes in organisations like this. needs to sorted or at least looked at!!

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06 Dec 2014 17:08:34
I think you'll find that other teams have been docked 15 points (and more) since Leeds got theirs. It goes up if you have been in admin more than once.

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Top Man Spain. Well said and well done! MOT!!

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Great post. Don't think the fl know what they're up again in mc & his legal team.
Go mc, give em all you've got, show that they're a bunch of crooks & dishonest people.

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We'll explained luff Spain the FL has persecuted Leeds United for years you only have to read the book "No Glossing Over It" by Gary Edwards where all the incidents are well documented to see how they feel towards the club. I don't understand how they can act as judge and jury on matters which they have invested interest and how the likes of Shaun Harvey and Karl Oysten can call a kettle grimy arse when they are certainly not as white as snow. The FL needs to be run by independent people and sense might prevail, but that will never happen and they won't stop until they have Cellino out.

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Good post Spain. Sums it all up really. I look forward to the appeal and hope the FL are cacking themselves. People in glass houses springs to mind
MM

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