Leeds Banter Archive February 06 2018

06 Feb 2018 22:26:51
Ok, so we have a new manager, he wasn't first choice for a lot of us. Guess now we get onboard and hope he can bring that new manager positive push, tough few games though and depleted squad. Soon we will have our main players back and can try push for a playoff place? Big question is if AR will invest in the summer, think we spent about 8-10 mil recently but took in over 20 mil, so needs to be reinvested. The rewards for getting into premiership are enormous and lufc need to be there, just look at the crowds we achieve. Bring on Saturday MOT

06 Feb 2018 20:41:28
Haven’t posted for a while as it’s been too depressing. Not sure what I’m feeling at the minute, just hope PH passes the acid test 😬 By Heck let’s hope we don’t end up bottom 🤔 really need a result on Saturday and it’ll be interesting to see the line up and formation. Let’s hope he can Paul it off 🙄ok back to my box. MOT

06 Feb 2018 21:04:16
love it peacock missed you mate

06 Feb 2018 22:07:18
Tough to get anything Saturday with no defence!

06 Feb 2018 23:48:30
No idea what will happen Saturday but I'm more confident now than I was on Sunday

07 Feb 2018 12:24:27
agree Speedy, everyone wrote off this season, for me with TC we was going to be in relaitionship dog fight, now I think the start will be hard (almost impossible) but I think Hecky will get us near playoffs if not in them

06 Feb 2018 19:42:09
If we can get an effigy of orta made out of pastry, I'll demolish it at half time at ER in protest of him. One request! Please can it be made steak and kidney flavour!

06 Feb 2018 21:49:35
What will his thick beard and glasses taste of? Mart, when you last have your cholesterol checked?

07 Feb 2018 08:59:38
Nothing up with my cholesterol George. I eat kebab hot so it don't stick to the sides. And as for the beard spaghetti will do and sugar candy glasses

07 Feb 2018 09:24:22
Dont want much do you Martyn?

07 Feb 2018 10:14:18
Alf I'm going to be eating something most people consider poisen so a few request thrown in there are ok

07 Feb 2018 12:26:20
surely for Orta it should be a piella as that is spanish salty, over rated and can leave a bad taste in the mouth (not to mention give you the trots)

07 Feb 2018 12:56:35
Good answer Mart. I just lost 30 pounds of weight myself.

06 Feb 2018 14:30:35
A positive view for the weekend and beyond. We're going to have a manager like a kid in a toy superstore. Each week, for the next few weeks he's going to get a new toy to unwrap from suspension or injury and get the chance to play with them with all the rest of his new toys! More than that, first game up is against Sheffield, another team he must have hated a bit growing up! And we are in front of the tv cameras . What an opportunity to mark a mark. Seriously we are going to have a boss, pleased to be where he is and seeing everything around him and every player as a positive. A fresh start, let's get up for it!

06 Feb 2018 15:00:53
Hmmm, Spanish. the odd analogy there that made me uncomfortable, but agree in principle. 😳😱😂

06 Feb 2018 16:11:23
And crap when the novelty wears off which won't be long with a Leeds hater

06 Feb 2018 14:05:31
Can the club come out and explain TC's sacking then. They said it was for top 6, now we're supposedly preparing for next season. Did he question the almighty Orta and was sacked because of it?

06 Feb 2018 14:24:34
How is what you claim the club said contradictory?

06 Feb 2018 14:38:05
Because we sacked a manager who had us top six most of the season because we wanted top 6. Now we're preparing for next season instead. So what was the point of sacking TC then?

06 Feb 2018 15:09:46
Because we are NOT top 6 and for the last few months haven't looked capable of it

06 Feb 2018 15:26:19
So why did we appoint a manager with a 27% win ratio who lost to our previous manager?

06 Feb 2018 15:34:51
sacked TC because 1. he was out of his depth
2. he was tacitlly impet
3. players did not play for him and had bad desipline
4. poor results we can look towards next season by getting new guy in now give him this season to bed in and then move forward keeping TC could of got us religated and was getting us no where

06 Feb 2018 15:43:44
Bermo, TC had us no lower than 10th and that included a run of 7 defeats in 9. He had us top 6 for majority of the season with a squad everyone says is rubbish, so wasn't he overachieving then? Seems everyone is excited by a promotion from League One and ignoring a dreadful Championship win ratio, for a team supposedly looking to get promotion this season. Give it six games and you'll be screaming for Heck's head.

06 Feb 2018 15:55:19
We sacked TC as he was tactically inept and persisted in a formation that did not work against a lot of clubs in this league. Tc also looked out of his depth when we went behind in games.

06 Feb 2018 17:21:40
I don't say sqaud is rubbish i think we have a top 4 sqaud with real quality at this level. i will give Heck time and i'm behind him. I got on TC's back because of what I saw with my own eyes, he was useless and had no clue. our recent form and desiplne a joke. some of our loses unforgivable and some choice unfathemable. Again it comes down to patterns of play, game management and form. the players had TC 6th most season because they are good good players. Heck will pick us up no worries

06 Feb 2018 18:38:06
What does the Orta-cle think?

06 Feb 2018 13:49:02
When interviewed Hecky said he thought Leeds were aligned with him and the way he works. Hopefully that means his disciplinarian ways and his Yessir abilities. It certainly can't be his recent Barnsley CV, (TCs is better) .

06 Feb 2018 15:26:42
He has said in the past that he would prefer a DoF so he would have more time with the team.

06 Feb 2018 13:35:32
I have to say PH wouldn't have been my choice, but now he is here let's give the lad a chance. Hopefully he will get some organisation, commitment and discipline into the team, so let's see how it goes.

06 Feb 2018 13:13:09
Seriously hope Heckingbottom does well, only time will tell. Fact is since he has got into championship he has done nothing. Preston came up with a crap team but look at them now. They did well in first season then consolidated. I am fully behind behind him until i decide otherwise. Just can't see why some are applauding his appointment like he will get us up. Guess management have extended their youth policy to coaches as well. Just concerned that at the end of the season if we finish 17th same dogma will be spouted about him coming in mid season, did not know the team, let's give him the summer training and judge him at christmas. We needed a proven stiker did not get one. We needed a coach who could put the fighting spirit back into Leeds, not sure we got one. I am sort of resigning myself to another five years of mediocrity until all these wonder kids are ready for the first team, please prove me wrong.

06 Feb 2018 14:03:57
Well said. Fans seriously have no ambition. Double standards as well. They'd be kicking off if it was a Cellino appointment.

06 Feb 2018 12:53:37
Just listened to PH Sky interview. He said "After I spoke to Victor, and the owners. " Shows he is an Orta man? Does he report to Orta or to Radz?

06 Feb 2018 13:18:53
Both. Radz reports to us. #fanpower

06 Feb 2018 13:23:36
He's a yes man who will be walking away with a handsome settlement and Leeds United on his CV.

06 Feb 2018 13:32:23
At the end of the day, whether directly reporting to Radz, or indirectly, Radz will have the final say on his performance. The thing to me, is that only a week after signing a new rolling contract with his home team, he wanted to come to us when the opportunity arose. That tells me he wants to be a success, and will work his nuts off here to be so.

06 Feb 2018 13:44:50
PH signed because he fits into the mould that Victor wants, 18 month contract tells you he not really part of their long term 5 year plan. Really wish the guy well and hope we can turn the corner.

06 Feb 2018 14:35:33
Will Radz have the final say? Or is it Orta advising him what to say?

06 Feb 2018 20:00:39
It's Radz's money, so I know who would be making the decision if it was my dosh!

06 Feb 2018 12:45:12
Whilst I accept that he will not perform poorly just because we are Leeds and he doesn't have a history of liking us, I am with Whiteman on the basis that I would not wish to pay or improve the CV of anyone who has felt that way towards us. There are other managers who could do us a good job. Also, a Barnsley fan who has just signed a new contract for the team he has supported since a child, immediately ripping it up to go to a team who he has always disliked, says something to me about his integrity.

06 Feb 2018 13:01:43
He's ambitious not disloyal

06 Feb 2018 13:04:56
Lufctoryscum69w, I fully agree with you, and there are others who can and would have done a good job for us.

06 Feb 2018 12:29:26
Why are fans getting excited over his record in League 1? I thought we were supposed to be going for promotion to the PL.

06 Feb 2018 12:33:56
By the way, the "amazing" Barnsley team ever keeps going on about was built by Lee Johnson. Since he's brought in his own players, he's won 8 games!

06 Feb 2018 14:02:50
And then sold from under his feet.

06 Feb 2018 12:08:58
positives about the new gaffer:
1 - English
2 - Championship experience (knows the league) 3 - Young
4 - Ambitious
5 - Winner of playoffs and the JPT
6 - Disciplinarian

06 Feb 2018 12:12:22
Alfupper, you missed 7- he hates Leeds,

06 Feb 2018 12:31:49
7. 27% win rate in the Championship. 8. 1 win in 16.
9. Who cares about League 1/JPT?

06 Feb 2018 12:37:22
so what whiteman, who cares that is a little bit school playground for me

06 Feb 2018 13:08:30
Finally someone. BW. Has said about the school ground argument off I hate leeds. Lol. Eventually. 🙄🙄

06 Feb 2018 11:54:35
I just don’t get it this (thing ) hates us it’s come from is own mouth and you all singing . if a Tottenham supporters come on this site and gives us bullxxxx you all out for him.

06 Feb 2018 12:00:34
Its not exactly what he said - you should read the actual quote. Fact of the matter is just because someone hates a team when they are a kid because they support someone else doesn't mean they can't and won't be able to work for them and be professional. its his job and his career - do you think he will do badly on purpose just because he didn't like his local rivals when he was a lad? Don't be daft he will be doing his utmost to make us the best we can be so that he can be a success and so tat he can satisfy his ambitions.

06 Feb 2018 12:14:00
Alfupper, look out you window the pigs are flying.

06 Feb 2018 12:21:27
Well said Alf. I think this he says thinhe said that. Is a bit off an excuse to not want him as manager. He’s been appointed. So support the guy as we should with the team. Never know, he could make an immediate impact. But let’s support him. MOT. ⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️👍👍

06 Feb 2018 12:29:02
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06 Feb 2018 12:31:50
Whitman don’t understand what you actually think or mean? Look outside the pigs are flying? He was talking about how he felt as a kid, perfectly understandable, he is a Barnsley supporter. Also he spoke about how he felt coming to Elland Road as a manager, again perfectly understandable, managing another Yorkshire club. He is a professional manager bringing others with him to work in the club, do you really think that he is going to deliberately lose games or ruin the club? This is a massive opportunity for him, his career and his family. I think he will do everything he can to make the most of it. Please give him a chance and judge him on what he does for us.

06 Feb 2018 11:32:29
Think I would rather us wear that badge than have Leeds hater as manager. Please Mr radz reconsider and get us someone who's at least better than TC or its been pointless getting shut of him

06 Feb 2018 12:08:03
Martyn, I for one agree but some on here just don’t get it mate how fickle they really are.

06 Feb 2018 12:37:55
Not sure a Leeds hater would risk his livelihood, the future of his family and his career on working at the club. Judge him on what he does now he is at the club, how he gets the players behind him, how he uses them, how he differsfrom the tactics of TC and how we go points wise until the end of the season. That’s what matters!

06 Feb 2018 13:26:52
Oh yeah, and bang right Spanish. He's the new gaffer, so support him. I fear too many people already want him to fail, just so the old "told you so" flag can be raised again! ?

06 Feb 2018 13:25:05
I Wont be throwing around insults for disagreeing with someone's opinion. How are the positive, and open minded, being fickle?

06 Feb 2018 11:23:28
Underwhelmed with appointment if it is confirmed as PH but willing to be convinced and overwhelmed. Think from where we are now 6th place and a chance in the play offs would be a result. Anything better than that and i will take my hat off to him. MOT

06 Feb 2018 09:31:17
Assuming he signs, interesting appointment with a great name. Young British coach, play off winner, football league experience, discipliarian, that might come in handy. Going to be working in a bigger club with better players, so a great opportunity for him. Of course he grew up hating Leeds, he is a Barnsley supporter, but this is his job, his career and his future. Let's give him a chance, see what he makes and does with the players. I don't think this is a Cellini mad hat appointment, I think there is a lot more logic to this one. I'm sure we will have lots of posters writing him off before he starts, judge him on what he does and how he handles and makes the most of the players he's got. Sign on the dotted line and welcome.

06 Feb 2018 09:58:33
absolutely Spanish, looking at his record with a poor team on very limited budget and comparing it to Leeds is comparing apples and oranges. He has got good points and showed when he has players who can compete at the same level as the others in the division he came off well. He did very well last year in the Championship still with little or no funds and hasn't been backed this year by the Barnsley board. so he wants to move on to a bigger club with better resources and satisfy his ambitions here. good on him i say and hopefully he will have everyone eating humble pie by the end of the season.

06 Feb 2018 11:45:56
agree with both, he is young, british, knows the league, knows what is needed, had success, overachieved with lesser team, knows the area, was employed, team he has left are sad to see him go, really unsure what negitive can be found, other than he didn't like leeds as a lad, so what most people don't like leeds. As a professional this will be the passed, we were linked with McClown and Stachran, we dodged a bullet. I wish him the best and genuinly think he will do well after a while once he gets his stamp on the team. He will have a difficult start picking up the mess TC left but I am very confident he will come good

06 Feb 2018 12:10:17
Alf we are a poor team at present, so should fit in well. We do have the scope to be a good team again but let's not kid ourselves that we are anywhere near good at the moment. Big Club Yes in terms of fan base and history, But sadly still a long way to go.

06 Feb 2018 09:04:25
Maybe PH is being brought in as one for the future and will run the under 23s as the current gaf there isn't doing great?

06 Feb 2018 07:35:26
PH looks as though he is going to get the best from players like tyler roberts, jay roy grot, vieira, and probably phillips too. He is a manager who knows how to utilise his assets and made us suffer greatly last season. he made players such as conor hourihane look good, who is average on a good day, i think he could do some serious work with this team, he's a hard worker and one who is determined to come again and bounce back. Can see this being a very tactical and clever appointment.

06 Feb 2018 07:59:33
great post Sam, I agree Hecky gets the best from his team and I am convinced we have good players for this level. He could be the first manager to get the best from our team since grayson and warnock who both got the best from leeds squad (although warnock had a really bad team) I don't think we will be the soft touch we have been and will be getting results against the bigger teams now, i honestly think we will now make play offs and at least will fight for shirt and give our best. I am honestly excited

06 Feb 2018 08:51:31
Got the best out of mowatt didn't he

06 Feb 2018 08:55:56
Yeah, right. The lunatics running the asylum!

06 Feb 2018 09:30:45
Steady on BW. Bit hasty mate. let's see how he goes if he goes! Half of me says ok. Experienced and young. Other half can't shirk his win loss stats.

06 Feb 2018 10:13:51
His win loss stats are at an overachieving barnsley team who are league 1 at best and doing well to fight in the championship. Were underachieving in the championship, like we have been all year and last year, and realistically should be pushing that top 6, imo if i was a sheff utd or villa or cardiff fan i'd be worried at this appointment, looks a good candidate. bProven and young, far more experienced than TC, knows the league now and knows what it takes to go up. Forshaw, vieira, saiz, and hernandez will come out of their skin under him, and fingers crossed dallas roberts and alioski do too. they've beem pampered and cushioned all season, this is the end of that, big change coming i feel.

06 Feb 2018 10:29:35
Samo, how is he any more experienced than TC? He's had 83 games in the Champ, TC had 30 + he's managed in Europe. If PH knows the league so well, why does he only have a 27% win ratio? To put it in perspective, Hockaday had 33%! I thought we sacked TC as we wanted top 6 this season? Just because Radz made the appointment fans are trying desperately to dress it up as good. He'll be gone before the end of the season.

06 Feb 2018 11:26:49
may as well big the man up, barnsley fans gutted to see him go, did TC keep us in the play offs? Its called trying something new SG, may work may not but youve got to get behind it, a managers rep is built on how a team plays and the results he gets, let's judge the next 2 months or so before we write him off.

06 Feb 2018 11:53:55
agree sam win loss has to be realitic with league getting barsley up was great keeping them up amazing. barselky should be around 6th in leauge one he got them 14th league above. leeds should be around 6th in championship, i'd settle for 14th in prem.

06 Feb 2018 07:22:47
Waiting. Waiting. Waiting Got a sneaky that heck will turn it down. We shall see. Also got to really give whoever 5-8 games to settle in and get players back. Make or break our season but coming in at a time we have minimal players and tough opposition. Baptism of fire enough for anyone.

06 Feb 2018 07:36:03
Got to give the next Manager six to eight games to bed in, also show him our support! Imagine how many times those sentences have been said in the last seven years! Groundhog Day my friends!

06 Feb 2018 07:37:05
Unfortunately I don't think he will turn it down Aus, people in the know at the Barnsley end are saying it's a done deal

06 Feb 2018 08:31:52
6 to 8 games to bed in, there are only 16 games left of the season :- (

06 Feb 2018 10:03:34
would you have preferred to stick with TC Jay? any new manager will take time to impose their philosophy some quicker than others. if he can discipline the defence and stop us getting sent off every game that will be a blumin good start and the rest should follow.

06 Feb 2018 10:33:01
Yes I would Alf. We had a poor run, but he turned it around before so why not again? He had us top 6 for most of the season. Why do we think PH is going to do any better over this run of games when he's won 8 in 50? We're supposed to have sacked TC to make the top 6, so we should have hired someone with a better record. Looking more and more like a panicked decision. TC needed until Christmas, but Radz is just as bad as Cellino.

06 Feb 2018 10:57:13
Martyn-g 100 agree with you mate don’t want any guy who said things about are team, can’t believe that some on here are happy about him, if I say things I not a Leeds fan and this guy is not don’t won’t him and agree it’s a back ward stap, I will not be spending any of my money now Radz your a joke and know better than any of the rest and if you didn’t make this choice you have definitely got no ball get the hell out of our club and let’s some with ball take over you are a big joke make no mistake on that, hope you thumbs down injoy the crap your going to get.

06 Feb 2018 11:27:26
Mikewoody sorry mate not me this is a wrong move, how many would like a x Man U, Chelsea, non look at Wise and the stick he go and he only played against us, this nut dislikes us full stop but because he no longer go a job he comes to us sorry not good enough to run a Sunday side, don’t like and never will no matter even if he gets us up can’t say what I would like because it won’t get post .

06 Feb 2018 11:59:19
can't agree whiteman, i'd love a few man utd cheaslea players in leeds team. strachan great example of this. as for what he said so what, Revie aprrently hated leeds before he joined and only joined when his move to his boy team middlesborough fell through, that worked for us. i hate arsenal but if manager i would want to win. no one likes leeds if we only employ people who like leeds we'd have no one to hire

06 Feb 2018 01:19:16
seen a few of my posts have upset a few so thought I better clear it up from my point of view. for me football is about over or under acheiving. This years prem manager so far is not pep, anyone can spend millions have the best players and win league, anything less would be a failure for me it is Sean Dyce, what he has done is amazing, with very little he has built a lot and over achieved. This is why I am happy we got hickenbottom, look at his record, yes with a poor team, but he built that team up, despite them losing their best players and not reinvesting he has done really well, if he overachieves by the same amount with us we will get prem. as for Revie, love the guy love watching the tapes but for me he underacieved. it is cirminal he didn't win more. he had one of the best collection of players who should of built an era, yet outside of leeds you say great teams they talk of fergie's man u, Arsens arsenal, busbys man u (for me the greatest achivement ever losing all them players to come back and win a game let alone leagues and champs leagues is amazing) , and liverpool of 80's no one mentions leeds as we didn't win enough finally as for clough, i know we are meant to hate him but he won two european cups in two years, that is two more than leeds as a club have won in nearly 100 years, you could argue he is more successful as a man than we are as a club as he won more therefor how can he not be our most successful manager? maybe i have a slightly different view as i'm not in leeds so easier for me to take a step back with perspective? and I have to say I am excited by hickenbottom he will have to prove himself and he has the ability to make teams better than the sum of their parts, just what leeds need

06 Feb 2018 06:50:55
Revie's team played in around 15 finals and semi finals for a 10 year period they never finished lower than 4th smashing records on the way Clough's record comes no where near only fatigue and bad refereeing decisions cost us the double and trophys we deserved Revie's team was recognised as the best club side ever I've not seen a better one and nor likely am I ever.

06 Feb 2018 08:04:01
Underachieved? Revie built a dynasty from no where. Was the dominant club for decade and was cheated of more trophies on regular basis. His legacy should also include the European cup in 1975. That was virtually the team he built and they should have had their rightful place as winners. Watch the game

06 Feb 2018 08:09:47
only on a leeds site would this be said, there are many vaild reasons we didn't win more (awful ref in european cup final the perfect example) but fact is they were more often than not nearly men. clough won league with two different poorer teams clough also won the big one twice actually smashing leeds as a club in that regard. Being away from Leeds I don't often speak to many leeds fans but fans from every other club and none would agree revie was better, lots say leeds were great team but nearly men, while clough got teams (lesser teams) over the line. Sorry leeds fans but only leeds fans think this, have this debate in any pub outside of leeds and you would get laughed at. Saying this that for me ain't a problem. I don't think leeds are a massive club, history wise we haven't won that much and many other teams are far bigger, we have been out of top flight more than in it, and glory years were really underachieving, but we have got great support, had some great players and had some great moments, we also had some awful moments (lots recently) but I still love the club, know coulgh is better than revie but i still love revie that is what being a fan is about. my fav player ever is john lukic love the bloke but i am fully aware seaman was far the better keeper, just like i know my wife is not Louise redknapp but i still love her MOT

06 Feb 2018 08:30:19
Not wanting to be a wet blanket but I am one who gives more credit to Peter Taylor than Brian Clough. With Taylor the results were magnificent. Without he was pants. However, you made some good points BW. Could be some exciting times ahead. MOT.

06 Feb 2018 10:30:45
You are right BW it is only Leeds fans that recognise how great Revies team were.

06 Feb 2018 12:03:07
kiwi i agree there taylor was very important and without him clough was often found wanting. bige many fans outside of leeds say they were great just don't compare them to man utd and liverpool

06 Feb 2018 14:45:02
Bermo Kenny won three titles not six as you previously said.