Leeds Banter Archive July 06 2012
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06 Jul 2012 22:30:53
clayton only after the money if he had proper ambition wouldnt have gone down a step to huddersfield
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I think Huddersfield are on the same level as us at the moment so i think you need to give your head a shake and come back to reality . they have money we don't .
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Hardly down a step if Huddersfield are paying more than Leeds. I'd say it was a forward step for Clayton.
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You reckon? Huddersfield are showing a LOT more ambition than us with their signings right now. It's embarrassing.
All these 'good riddance to Clayton' posts are misguided. We should be asking why we're selling our promising young players to our rivals and replacing them with older journeymen who are no better.
Criticising Clayton is just mindless apologising for the Bates regime - and no, he DIDN'T save us - check your facts anyone who posted this - he put us into administration, has constantly brought us into disrepute ever since buying the club back and we're now rumoured to be having serious cashflow problems because of his reckless 'investment' in anything other than the team. We could have bought 3 Jason Pearces with the loss made on Yorkshire Radio alone last year.
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You call yourself leeds fans,why are hudds showing more ambition, they bought a player neil deemed not good enough.no one on here is an expert ,warnock is, leeds are bigger and better than hudds ,just wish you lot would stop with the gloom
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Yes I do call myself a Leeds fan. I have a season ticket and have had for decades. I've been going to home games since February 1970 at the age of 9 and go away as often as I can manage with a wife, young family & a complex business to run.
I think that qualifies me as a Leeds fan so I'd be grateful if idiots like you would stop being disrespectful to genuine fans like me simply because I'm astute enough to see beyond the blind loyalty of many of the fans who contribute to this site and articulate enough to express my viewpoint.
We're all entitled to our opinions and if I think selling Clayton was a bad move that doesn't make me any less of a fan, just as you disagreeing with me doesn't make you less of a fan.
The idea that someone is a better or worse fan based on an opinion about a player, manager or board of directors is stupid and offensive.
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^^^ well said, too many morons are quick to brandish the 'call yourself leeds fans' card
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06 Jul 2012 22:10:26
No way will Varney play up front next season. Maybe odd game. He will be used on wing. Warnock likes to use the wings. He knows getting out of the Championship is more old-fashioned football like in the 80s getting in behind teams. That's why he can't make it in the Premiership because full-backs and defences lot better and you need silky skills in centre of the park. You don't need that in the Championship. You just need to hold and control a midfield without anything fancy. He'll make us robotic next season. ER should be a fortress and I think Becchio will fill his boots provided he can stay fit. The masterstroke in my opinion will be bringing back Beckford. Then you've got pace up top as well. His defensive additions will keep teams out so we won't be conceding 5, 6 and 7 anymore. Should be a lot more clean sheets. He'll need someone to replace Clayton though. Just as long as he's not a muppet.
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Absolutely spot on mate!
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You talk it up well, let's hope it goes as you're saying.
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Ye i agreee as well, nice 1 mate :)
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Don't want beckford back .
someone new and pacey though
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06 Jul 2012 22:02:40
I have been a LUFC supporter since the 1960's but am now a frail old git. All this suspense is doing my health no good, my grandchildren can't concentrate on exams. Confirmation of takeover please soon. Fans deserve better. KG/LUFC/MOT
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Unfortunately, takeover saga will continue for a few days more and beyond. The deal is not sealed yet but getting closer.
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I am with you on the 60's onwards, however, you do need to tryy and remember nothings ever been easy?
Just remember that Warnock is still around, so I guess its a matter of time now...?
Keep the faith
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Deal not even close, coz there ain't one happening mate
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Somebody is gonna have egg on there face once takeover is complete
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'Deal not even close, coz there ain't one happening mate'
Jog on back to your own board there's a good boy.
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"Deal not even close, coz there ain't one happening mate"
Don't you just love all this refreshing optimism....??
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06 Jul 2012 21:48:15
ed u what it is with us leeds fans ? its that old gypsy curse we had put on us years ago u see ? simples !! nickybee {Ed013's Note - I hope not! Who is ed u, is he Brazilian!}
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Ed, i think you should of said bless you.
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06 Jul 2012 21:47:31
come on lads lets stop moaning about the new signing,s it sounds like these new player,s want to play for leeds lets give them a chance if players want to leave let them go [kez1919]
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Clayton wanted to play for Leeds. So did Howson. So does Snoddy. They'll all say what we want to hear when they sign - doesn't mean they'll be any good or that they'll stay if they get a better offer in 2 years.
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Jermaine Beckford really wants to return to Leeds. watch us go on to not sign him.
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Whoa, lets stop here, Clayton didn't want to play for Leeds - unless they paid him more than anyone else in the team?
Aidey White turned down his offer, but hasn't walked awy, I believe he does WANT to play for Leeds! Hopeefully something can be worked out.
Clayton came from Man City, he has no loyalty to Leeds whatsoever....
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Jermaine Beckford walked out on this club, free of charge to go looking for money, what part of that did you miss?
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U don't have to spend big to get out of this league, just ask the foxes. These players could of gone to other clubs or stayed at there first club but chose us. Paying nothing for a player doesn't make them crap. We don't look at Somma and say he's sh=t or becchio. If we had payed a fee would we look at them different. Don't get me wroni still want to see a couple of markee signings and i can see it happening next week. fingers crossed.
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To the person who posted "Jermaine Beckford walked out on this club, free of charge to go looking for money, what part of that did you miss?
I understand your point, he made a mistake but
Jermaine Beckford has already been instrumental in the push to get Leeds UTD promoted before, he knows where the back of the net is, he was given an amazing reception at ER the best I've ever seen for an opposing player and gave us one of the greatest memories ever (one that nobody can EVER take away from us) at scum, League One Player of the Year: 2008, 2010
Goal of the Year: 2008: League One Player of the Year, Football League Goal of the Year, PFA League One Fans' Player of the Year 2009, Fans' Player of the Year:2007–08, 2008–09,Players' Player of the Year 2007–08, Goal of the Season 2007–08, Goal of the season 2009–10 (vs. Manchester United) FA Cup, FA Cup Top Scorer 2011-12, 85 goals for Leeds. So, what part of that did you miss.
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06 Jul 2012 21:44:57
Hi Ed, there was a rumour on earlier which stated that the takeover/investment was off. This has now been removed, is it because it was too close to home and someone could be in trouble for spilling the beans early?
Maltawhite {Ed013's Note - No it was because of the amount of abuse coming in connected with it}
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It wasnt a rumour,it was some wan-er stirring the sh-t up again,thats how they get their jollies,best not to respond,they might sod off on another site then.
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Well didn't look like Paul dews was saying much against the comment on tw***er, obvious denial but not convincing
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06 Jul 2012 21:32:45
Let's face it guys were buying crap old codjers. Were getting rejects from clubs that no longer want them, Old players that are being replaced by there previous clubs by the young, Or we're getting players not proven even at this level never mind the prem. look at leicester spent millions didn't get to prem, west ham had to spend loads to get there and only just did. You might say we will get better players once takeover happens but these players we are getting now do want to play, its not like we are signing them to fill the bench.
Because we are Leeds this takeover won't be straight forward and has 80% chance of not going through. Any Other club it would be done and dusted and GOOD, PROVEN players would be flooding in.
But we are Leeds and bad fortune will haunt us forever BUT lets stay positive. IF We CAN!
P.S a week ago i was very optimistic no doubt about anything takeover, signings ect But now I feel things aren't going to be as good as I thought. I'm not trying to put a downer on things and I want to stay positive just thought Id bring it to people saying trying to sign Varney, chambers and Norris are positive because you dOnt get to the best league in the world by buying rejects and journey man. Improvement though were buying again!!!
BigB MOT!
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06 Jul 2012 21:27:50
Why oh why varny?? nice lad, not bad player but not what we are looking for, tho i think neil will prob play him on the left......get either beckford, simon cox, chopra, ebanks-blake for fire power and get george boyd, lewis mcgugan lee bowyer in the midfield with snoddy!! If we have "money" then bloody use it on players who will improve our team instead of "mediocre" players.......cmon leeds please!!
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You say no to varney but you would take bowyer instead who is well past his sell by date and 35 year old
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No chance Bowyer, he's crap now. Getting a player like that is really goin backwards. Defo would go for the rest.
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06 Jul 2012 20:33:58
theres a new one for you to think about ,carlton palmer could be the british representative that is helping dubai sheik mohammad as he worked in dubai schools teaching football and pe?? could have had lots of dubai contacts
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06 Jul 2012 20:30:45
I think a few people on here need to realise a few things rather than always posting the same negative comments:
1. People like Pearce, Keogh etc were good players in poor teams and especially in portsmouths case, their financial troubles clearly had a huge impact. Look at us when we went down from the prem - we had a team easily capable of a good finish but like Portsmouth had a huge cloud over our heads
2. People complain there's no news on the takeover yet we've all known all along that the club do things in private and are doing so again. Yes we'd all like to know the ins and outs but it isn't going to happen.....we'll find out when it's done and to suggest this is an elaborate story by bates to sell season tickets is daft. Things like due dilligence take time (I have clients that have been in exactly this process with similar size buyouts and from initial talks to completion it's taken upto 2 years!). I'm confident it will still happen but we unfortunately need to be patient and we'll be told when it's complete
3. Seen so many posts about our supposed targets and people not being happy - some of these names probably are simply rumours but saying we should have got bridge when we've just got drury (who many players have said is a great player even as he's getting on and has the season Norwich got promoted was consistently described as the best left back outside the prem), Varney who plays more now as a left winger and has pace so isn't played as a striker and therefore isn't banging loads of goals in. Woody is a crock and can he play 46 games a season plus cup games.....doubt it and that's a huge risk.
Let's give the players, Warnock and the club a chance. If it all goes pear shaped then I'm sure I'll also been complaining but there's plenty of time to get everything sorted. Let's just say the takeover did fall through and Warnock hadn't signed anyone as he was waiting for a huge budget to spend, we'd be in trouble. When it is finalised, there might be a few good signings in top of what we've already signed giving us a very strong squad. Chins up guys MOT
al1977
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OK Ken. You're the Man!!
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At last someone talking some sense
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06 Jul 2012 20:26:57
Better players leaving. Leeds looking like a tramp picking up docked cigs (signing freebies). Meanwhile Huddersfield, Brighton & Blackburn are strutting about like Daddy Warbucks. All the time, Leeds are rumoured to be hovering like a vulture over the pitiful carcass of Pompey
Takeover/investment talk continuing to be exactly that "Talk".
Snodgrass' patience must surely be getting thin right now.
Our team needs re-constructive surgery and so far we've applied a plaster.
Don't get me wrong next week might be amazing with news of a loaded new owner & we bring in some good players but so far if you're a Leeds fan it feels rubbish and we are definitely falling further and further behind some other teams.
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Not to mention that the official site should be re-named the 'Hey guys we bought Jason Pearce' site
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Don't forget half price entry into Flamingo Land and Fathers Day at ER.
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If you don't want to be a part of Leeds, why are you?
FFsake, wait and see, don't prejudge...
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To many so called leeds fans wanting everything yesterday, grow up and be patient, who exactly have those teams mentioned bought that we would want, nobody
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OK mate . You talk about growing up. Let's come back here on 1st August and see who is right!
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06 Jul 2012 20:16:51
i never said i new more than warnock, i will just watch... all i was pointing out was if mccormack does go and we only get varney to replace there is no certain goal threat like becchio was or when we had beckford, i also never slated varney, i have watched him a few times and he plays some nice football, and i am certainly not the one with the blinkers on, because im looking at the bigger pitcher instead of taking a stab in the dark like some of the other rumours, just pointing out facts
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06 Jul 2012 20:13:22
ED i know this is a rumour site, but can you please think about publishing some things, seriously, you should able to recognise it is from a child!, we real fans are checking this site every 10 mins to read some utter tripe, you check my previous im not a rumour poster as i live in brighton and would have no knowloedge to anything so i check this site every single day, and their are people that continuously publish sh*t....
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people keep your heads up warnock know what he is doing clayton without howson was not to be seen! {Ed013's Note - Mate when someone posts it doesn't say how old they are. Some people are dyslexic and therefore it comes across like they are not being serious. There are obviously some trouble makers and we try and block them once found out. I don't believe or agree with half of the stuff, but I have a duty to get as many posts out as possible. Try to chill out and wait for an announcement, I know its frustrating, but that's how its been for many years following Leeds}
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06 Jul 2012 19:20:28
Clayts interveiw on Radio Leeds was interesting, seems like more NW didnt want, if so why with what type player we are bringing in. Personally hope Kenny goes some where else, think Andys better! Woody, Bridge all moving this season but look what we get, doesnt look like a major takeover and plenty of cash to me. All we get from ER & LUST is lies!
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Pretty sure the noises coming from LUST are not lies; there are not many Bates sympathisers who are members of LUST after all. I'm certain the investment talks are real enough. What I'm not so sure of is whether they'll lead us to the promised land.
If I were in their shoes I'd be asking questions about the ground ownership and insisting a deal was done to buy ER & TA back at the same time. That's likely to be the case with any buyer and is probably a major obstacle.
I'd also want to know what the financial black holes like Yorkshire Radio were going to cost me and I'd be wanting detailed info on all the offshore companies associated with LUFC.
I can see the due diligence between a long, complex affair with no guarantee of success since I don't think Bates will want to come clean on issues like ER/TA ownership.
I'm also not convinced we're talking Man City type investment here but I hope I'm wrong. The evidence provided by Warnock's transfer policy is that we're still shopping in the margin basement.
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There's a lot been said about Clayton, if he was so good he would have attracted more interest than Huddersfield like the rest of our players that have gone to the PL.
He looked ok in a poor side once Howson had gone. Let's look forward to new players with a point to prove and back NW with the players he brings in.
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If it wasnt for lust then there would be no investment/takeover they just want the best for the club like the rest of us do so!
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Clayton WOULD have been wanted if he'd sign his new contract offer but he didn't?
He wanted more money and now he has it, so he's happy, You can bet any money he's getting more cash there, which is why he left, not because he was 'wanted' more by them.
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06 Jul 2012 19:20:17
oh no its FRUITLESS FRIDAY! darens111
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06 Jul 2012 19:12:56
Its all well and good bangin on about Clayton goin,but,he wanted to go! Its been a bit quiet with transfers comin in,granted,but there is no better manager to sort out our club. Get behind him,YOU wanted Grayson out after all.
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He was forced out. Told he would not play if he stopped what would you do?
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Not forced out, just not good enough
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If he had sicned a new contract he would have been played. He just wanted more money, same old story.....
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I didn't want Grayson out. I don't have a problem with Warnock, although I don't see him building a team for the long term. I'd still rather have a young, talented manager with 3 promotions already in 8 years of management. More short term thinking by the club and some of its less cerebral fans...
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06 Jul 2012 19:10:27
My realistic signing for Leeds would be kenny, peltier, keogh, Derry, gradel, jerome Thomas on a free, cox from WBA and dj cambell! I'd go for Campbell over beckford as Campbell proved for blackpool he will score in this league! Also look to Get frimpong and barkley on loan, good young premier talent! Yeh seriously i reckon we need that many player to challenge next season! Let me know your views!
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Don't think cox will sign
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Agree with the last post cant see us getting cox
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06 Jul 2012 18:09:19
{Ed013's Note - For anyone unsure on why Clayton left, listen to this http://soundcloud.com/andrewhaigh/clayton}
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Thanks ed
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06 Jul 2012 18:34:09
Listen everybody the 'sniping' of players mentioned needs to stop. Many players read these pages and it must put some off.
Whoever comes BACK THEM and Colin and leave the 'bitching' to other clubs
Marching ALL together !!
Keith
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Trust me, footballers don't this site
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Listen we could sign Barry from down my street, and he would have my full support but we want quality not quantity...kevlufc.
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06 Jul 2012 18:12:29
True blooded Leeds supporters do not want players who either do not want to be here, or are too greedy to think that they are better or bigger than the club. Clayton a very average player, turned down his contract well i am glad he as gone, he is that good only Huddersfield came in for him WOW. If Huddersfield want to pay silly wages for average players well let them get on with it.
Snoddy, white and others, either sign or get out, very simple, When are these players going to be able to think for themselves without their agents. All Leeds fans just let NW get on with it, this team is coming together, we need experience and lots of it, NW knows what he is doing.
All these negative vibes coming from so many of you need to think about how bad our midfield and defence has been over the last 3 years. Come on lets get behind NW and give it everything we have got. Kevin Leeds 50 years.
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Wrong on every count. Clayton wanted to stay but told he wasn't wanted. He's a very promising young player who had a good first full season and is likely to get better.
True blooded fans will be questioning the appalling transfer policy at the club - the one which sells Howson, Gradel, Beckford, Clayton and lets others like Johnson go on frees and replaces them with lesser players - or doesn't bother to replace them at all.
Mindlessly apologising for Bates and his servile staff is not the sign of a true supporter, it's the sign of a blindly loyal one. Blind loyalty won't get us out of the league. Good players will.
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If clayton wanted to stay he would've signed the contract that was offered ,he didnt so byebye.im a lifelong leeds fan of 45 years,the players you mentioned left because they wanted to, they werent forced out
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And for what it's worth I'm 50 - not that age makes a difference. Abusing players for leaving misses the point.
The point is this...Why have so many good players gone during the Bates era leaving the dross to see out their contracts? The answer in my view is because we don't offer attractive terms to retain our best players either in terms of salary but, more importantly, in terms of ambition.
What message does it send when you let your captain go to Norwich? Why has Snoddy not signed? He's stated, very explicitly, that he was unhappy at Howson being sold and he wants to see the club showing more ambition.
There are many much better footballers on this planet than Adam Clayton but not many of them are employed at Elland Road. The two I rate alongside Clayton, McCormack & Snoddy, both look to be on their way. What does that say about where we're heading? Get real & stop buying into the Bates/Warnock BS.
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06 Jul 2012 17:57:38
How I see it and I hope I'm wrong we are in a worse position than last season team wise, in takeover talks so we can't buy anyone, but worryingly we can sell Adam clayton is this all a hoax to get season ticket sales up and if not why are we only being linked with players who took pompey down last season. Worried kevlufc
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They didn't take Pompy down! The points penalty suffered did that! Norris and varney would add depth to a depleted squad! Doubt they wud be in the starting eleven!
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Portsmouth were not a bad first eleven last season, off the field problems and points dedution sent them down.. DP
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Pompey's position was marginal - they'd have been close even without the points deduction. They were the worst team I saw at ER last season, except for us against Forest.
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Original poster, I'm not having a go at these players if they do arrive they will have my full support, but what I am saying is if there is a takeover happening with good money involved are these players the quality of player to take us up...........kevlufc
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06 Jul 2012 17:55:53
Can I clarify something? Is this not meant to be a rumour site? I enjoy reading most of the 'rumours' but I am sick of reading the facts that are taken from official sites that we all read for ourselves !! {Ed013's Note - You are correct,this is a rumours site}
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06 Jul 2012 17:47:54
Anybody else agree with me that the "takeover" is clearly nothing more than an outrageous lie from Bates?
His motives:
1) Sell more season tickets - I hear that the ticket office has been very busy indeed during the last few weeks - idiots buying STs.
2) Divert attention away from the fact that we're having a very quiet summer.
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What's wrong with buying a season ticket? Why be called an person for buying one?
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I have been thinking along those lines recently, how come in this day and age can the investors keep their identity a secret for so long.. maybe because there is no one or they have already been scared off. DP
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How is it a lie from Bates he has said nothing for ages. Get over this Bates thing ffs.
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06 Jul 2012 16:12:51
Leeds ins:
Kenny QPR 500k
Peltier Leicester 350k
Whitbread Norwich Free
Norris Pompey 250k
McGugan Forrest 750k
Varney Pompey 250k
Total Cost 2.1 million
Outs:
Clayton 500k
McCormack 750k
Lonergan 500k
Nunez 250k
Connolly free
O'Brien free
Paynter 250k
Total Cost: 2.25 million
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Need more players than that coming in .players in not better than players in.
wage budget increased rather than reduced
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And that's if we actually buy any of these players, worried kevlufc
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06 Jul 2012 16:12:25
clayton,s gone i did not rate him but im sure some people did its all a matter of opinion but why would you go to huddersfield for a grand more when good things are about to start at leeds money over ambition [kez1919
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Maybe he knows things are not going to happen where as Huddersfield have money and have ambition and will be around top 6 at end of season. who knows where we will be
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Or does he know something the rest of us are worrying about kevlufc
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06 Jul 2012 16:10:55
i think with the p;ayers we are link to no way will we be going up anytime soon
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We will be lucky to stop up at this rate. Just waiting for Snoddy to go now.
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06 Jul 2012 15:57:17
Hi all just seen my mate again whos a massive leeds fan and
believe Me he's in the know. He's just been down that pie shop where Thomas Brolin was seen hanging around and he spoke to a cabbie and the cabbies daughters -mothers -brother from another mother said
She saw Bates at the Airport with his Cases looks like the deal is done boys ? Leeds Leeds Leeds
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I also bumped into brolin, we sat down and ate a pie together, he told me he had just had a meeting with Neil at TA and has passed his medical and back on Monday to be announced a Leeds player, he also told me greggs were investing in the club which was a major factor of why he has put pen to paper
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So what thats nothing, i just seen Alan Smith eatin a burger and drinking cans of Fosters with Mark Vidua outside Peacock. They said they were killing time and just waiting for the takeover to be finalised then they are both to be reunited as strike partners for Leeds on lucrative contracts. Mark took off his Aussie cork hat and signed it and gave it to me! Smithy not to be out-done, took a leeds shirt out of his back pocket (the very shirt he wore when we got relegated) signed that and gave it me also! Im sticking 'em on e-bay i'll be filthy stinkin rich, just like leeds will be. Happy times ahead lads.Any one got Olivier Dacourts number? i'll ring him and tell him what happened, he'll be over here quicker than Brolin can eat a large plate of fat sweedish meatballs. (If you think im lying ask John lukic. (he's signing as reserve keeper, and if u think im still lying he was on LUTV last week) MOT
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06 Jul 2012 15:25:48
Still think we're getting billionaire backing if we're giving away decent players like Adam Clayton? wake up.
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Obviously not, we are still selling our young promising players for older less talented players, nothing has changed, bye bye ross and snoddy, replacements will be someone like kevin kilbane and bret ormerod but its ok they were good years ago so premiership here we come
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Kilbane has gone to Coventry so bang goes that theory
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Clayton decent? You wake up mate - he's rubbish!
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Clayton is a good player and will show everyone when playing for Huddersfield .what a shame hes moved on
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He's left now, therefore he's rubbish.
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06 Jul 2012 14:48:36
No rumour just a thought. With some decent investment i think we should be looking to buy players who are proven top championship players or highly rated youngsters on the way up. Old premiership journeymen are no good. (owen & robbo would be good but will never go to championship) We need to be buying Marvin Emnes, Peter Whittingham, Matty Phillips and Jordan Rhodes.
Please not Tommy Smith
MOT
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We brought in Paul Green to replace Adam Clayton. the names you've mentioned are out of our league fella.
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If we get taken over then we will be able to sign all them players mentioned . if we wanted owen i think he would drop leagues to play games ,hes not trying to get into england squad anymore so why stay in prem league as a bench warmer. that type of player is exactly what a rich leeds should be looking at .
reason for bringing free players in is so we have more of the 6 mil that can be invested is left for less players.say 3 or 4 top players to go with what we already have and we will have a team capable of promotion
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Woohoo Paul green for clayton, things looking up for us, promotion this season, big ambition from the club I'll make sure I don't make any plans for the 5th of may as I'd be partying hard the night before
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When Wilko brought in Chapman, Strachan, Sterland, Varadi, Shutt, Jones did anyone say they were too Old?
You need experienced pros to get out ogf this league not promising players with potential.
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We are starting to look like a mid table team now .
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Jordan Rhodes, proven championship! When?
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06 Jul 2012 14:26:21
Lol at you, I just signed a 2 year deal at E. Road! P.s... U look badman in your pic! Hahaj:-) haha Luke varney's twter {Ed013's Note - its fake}
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06 Jul 2012 14:26:12
lets not be too disheartened about Clayton going, i personally didnt rate him when we signed him, then i thought hed prove me wrong with the start he had, but under Warnock he was exposed as just another average midfielder who needs all the work doing for him
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He was still a decent young player in a position we are seriously lacking. our central midfield at the moment is Paul Green and Michael Brown, with Nathan Turner as backup.
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OP here - id be more worried if that was the state of affairs around middle of August, im not going to worry just yet
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Zac Thompson? Great back up Still think we need another good experienced midfielder and youngish good prospect come off the bench defo need rb peltier sounds good and goalscorer if McCormack goes or attacking midfielder to sit behind becchio mcgugan type RT
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06 Jul 2012 14:08:24
Can anyone shed any light on the current takeover situation. I thought whilst due dilligince was taking place no transfers including fees could be finalised wether it was ins or outs. With Adam Clayton leaving the club for a fee. Does that not mean the takeover/investment has been finalised? If so why have we not heard anything at all?
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Takeover fell through and now we are back to square 1 having to sell to buy ,dont worry though bates will sort things out.lol
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06 Jul 2012 14:07:25
I can see why the sale of clayton to huddersfield might get some fans disgruntled, I just hope it doesn't turn around and bite us on the bum. I hope his replacement is a better player than him cos he was one of our better players last season.
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Selling good players to a rival, who are we going to replace clayton with for 500k really? An old freebie, ambition that is
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06 Jul 2012 13:57:07
Here we go - we sell one average at best player and the doom and gloom merchants come out again , warnock has one goal and that is to get our club promoted and clearly didnt think Clayton could help with that NOW - maybe he does have potential but neil wants to get us up now not in 4 years time - i have followed Leeds for 40 years and last season was one of the most dismal since we got relegated - give the man a chance to do what is obviously needed and rebuild and not critisise untill we have at least kicked a ball
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06 Jul 2012 13:40:17
good mates with a lad who knows clayton very well, he couldnt wait for a transfer to simon graysons huddersfield as he signed him for leeds, but also said leeds will be a force this season and thats for sure, he hopes leeds all the best but he had to go cos wasnt guaranteed 1st team footy, peo mot
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Leeds to be a force haha what a joke, were still a selling club and butt of jokes to other clubs in our division, we can't even replace the player we sell, face facts we are not going to get promoted this season, it's like England saying this could be our tournament, just won't happen, prove me wrong Neil but it would be embarrassing to see our squad in the premiership
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This conversation happened in your dreams... Why bother posting really..
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06 Jul 2012 13:32:21
Funny how.we suppose.to have money from this takeover (when it finally happens) but we still get linked with average players like varney tommy smith norris come on this is.not a team what are going to.get promoted the amount of free agents who played in premeier ship last season we sud get them like craig gordon klansic woodgate could.do a job i think
Maybe a chheky try for saha or either owen come warnock i hope you just getting these players to make the numbers for the bench and surprise us fans once this so called takeover is complete
Parkerlufc {Ed013's Note - Mate some of them are so injury prone and are not used to the Championship. Leeds need proven players that can take Leeds to the next level}
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Well our rumoured targets are not going to get us promoted, so where are these proven players? Where are these "Leeds united players" Neil said we needed, been told that were going to get a squad to get us promoted to the premiership, not a squad capable of getting out of league 1, so much competition in this league, our squad and targets simply not good enough, roll on takeover and money to spend and decent wages, because this is a joke
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Agree with Ed on this one. we need season campaigners not 3 match wonders.
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Errmmm wakey wakey. Even if Leeds do get taken over by trillionaires it wouldnt change the fact that premiership players would want to play in ............ the premiership.
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Couldn't agree more. To get out of this division you need experienced players who know how to play in it
I know we'd all love to see top class players in our team, but they wouldn't be used to having no time on the ball.
No, let's take one step at a time, TRUST NW he know's what he's doing. MOT Ron.
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06 Jul 2012 13:31:42
I dont understand why some people are complaining about is signing some of the lads from pompey. End of the day in a football team youve got to play as a team they are only 3 players from there squad put them with a decent bunch they may play alot different to what happened last season ....JDS
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Without pompey going into administration, they would not have been relegated...so the actual players are not as bad as they are being talked about!
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06 Jul 2012 13:14:38
Just heard from massive Leeds fan that Thomas Brolin has been seen at Elland road he said he heard on the Q T He is a target looks like Leeds r on the road back LOL please don't tell anyone
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If Brolin is a target you could hardly miss him! Super Thomas Brolin! Kenny Burns (see todays Sun) could still do a job. Morley whites.
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Thomas Brolin was visiting the pie shop across the road from Elland Road as he says they are the best pies he has ever had and we all know he like a pie or too
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Yeh that's where he must of went Pie Shop
Thank god for that - Come on u Leeds
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06 Jul 2012 12:43:34
Are we really going in the correct direction? Pearce best signing by far, but green and drury and players linked with us such as peltier, varney Norris Kenny, are alright but not players we need for first team football to make a promotion push, still losing our best players, at the moment I'm really not feeling confident for next season, mid table team again, don't expect big names from the premiership but we should be attracting other clubs top players from this league, these transfer targets will not get us promoted and definitely couldn't play in the premiership, the players are not even as good as our league 1 squad, I wouldn't be all that bothered but just sick of getting fluffed up by the manager and club every summer now only to be let down by no ambition and told to wait what squad we have at the start of the season but we get told this every year and it's just the same with a few average additions, might as well just sell snoddy and Ross while their at it, and make it another season ticket well spent
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How do u no there not good enough it's how they all play as a team not individuals Blackpool wasn't a team ov superstars they got to the prem n playoff finals this year so give it a rest
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06 Jul 2012 12:39:27
Just a thought...
Clayton gone for 1/2 a mill allegedly
No new signings with fees attached
Takeover again allegedly happening
Claytons transfer money goes to KB's
Leeds United before take over completed
Does KB pocket another 1/2 mill at our expense
mmmmmm????
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06 Jul 2012 12:26:13
Just a comment on our signings and sales....What is going on? why are we selling our young players who will improve...and buying or getting free older almost has beens. Looking at who Grayson is buying in, Uddersfield will be fielding a better team than ours.....If a manager knew there was money coming into the club by the way of a takeover, surely he would be looking at better younger talent than he is bringing in....WTF. We need help and quiclkly. I'm starting to think that this is a Bates scam. 750 - 1mil for Clayton, 1.5 - 2 mil for Rosco and prob a few mil for snoddy....straight into Bates' pocket.
MOT fredh
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Agree, very concerning. Before you know it we'll be desperate for news of players on 'trial'.
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Grayson is a better manager than warnock and isnt scared to go for it in a game .
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06 Jul 2012 12:18:57
Arla foods??!! takeover
Some people are really milking this takeover stuff!!
the suspense is killing me!
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Milking it, lol like it. Bit cheesy though!
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06 Jul 2012 11:27:00
Hi eds, got a name for you picked up by my mrs ehos knows nothing about football. She is on a placement at legal firm and says alot of people are talking about a Mohamed al jaber as being owner of leeds. i asked her for details but said it wasnt concrete just few of the senior solicitors were saying its the rumour round the legal circuit. Dont know anythin else on this guy or whether he has funds or is in a consurtium. Maybe eds can say whether has been linked elsewhere? {Ed013's Note - I don't know how much he is worth, but I think he deals in hotels and has connections in Austria}
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Mohamed al Jaber, seems like a Saudi Ken Bates. Read his wi*i entry it doesn't inspire me with confidence at all. So based on his track record it must be a racing cert.... Don't go Ken all is forgiven.
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Wiki shouldn't inspire u what so ever anyone can put crap on I'm sick ov people using this as a source I cud put I own Leeds n bates is my bitch on wiki
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According to Forbes Magazine Al Jaber is worth 7 Billion as of March 2012 and one of his hotels he owns is #42 The Calls Leeds.
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06 Jul 2012 11:46:50
Wish people would just stop being so bloody negative and TRUST WARNOCK! Hes got a brilliant promotion record and gets teams out of the championship, the players we're linked with may not be brilliant in your eyes (and we dont spend millions of pounds on players anyways) but warnocks good at getting the best out of the players! So chill!
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I agree with original post. Warnock is recruiting the players he knows will do a job in the Championship for us. I admit some will not be Premiership class but one step at a time ladies and gents!
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06 Jul 2012 11:40:42
Is it just me or is everything still exactly the same at ER despite all the euphoria about a takeover. We are still selling our very best players for undislosed fees ( I wouldn't announce it either if 500k was true )and signing players who are avaerage at best Pearce excluded. Whilst Bolton and Blackburn are making good signings we are signing squad players whilst being stuck with the dead wood like O'Brien and Painter. Anyone else excited by the prospect of Varney or Kenny ? Despite all the excitement of a prospective of a new billionaire owner we still deal in the transfer market like Huddersfield's poor relations- Larry must be laughing his socks off
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06 Jul 2012 11:32:57
whats the point in selling are best centre mid to a worse team. just to bring in players like paul green. i dont know about you but i would rather have clayton any day.
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In that case I would rather have Warnock as our manager than you any day.
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06 Jul 2012 11:29:55
Ed could you clarífy for me but mainly for the numptys who dive on people at the 1st oppertunity given them grief/abuse(you no who you are) are we meant to be under embargo while take over happens cause i got called a liar when i said the embargo was lífted if clayton moved. Tommo.lufc.84 {Ed013's Note - it all depends on what agreement is in place. If the embargo is still on, Neil probably has an agreement with the Chairman that whoever he sells, he can use that money to strengthen}
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06 Jul 2012 11:29:23
HI
Not a rumour just got a bad feeling things gone wrong on the take over
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06 Jul 2012 11:12:01
Clayton gone. New contracts with caterers and hotels, New away strip. Also with the exception of Pearce our only other ins are average frees.
The club seems to be trying to claw whatever money they can get hold of at the moment. This doesn't smell like takeover by a Billionaire more like it stinks of investor for Uncle Ken.
I hope I'm wrong. The excitement and optimism I've had for the last couple of months is diminishing fast.
I hate to say it but at least Hudders has the right ambition. I doubt they will will progress beyond mid table but they are trying.
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06 Jul 2012 10:52:30
Well Clayton now gone, along with Howson and Gradell earlier. Snodgrass and Brown not signed new deals. Wasn't that our starting midfield away to West Ham at the start of last season.
Hope we have some new bodies in soon or Paul Green is going to find it pretty tough.
On Aiden White, Leeds won't offer him a bigger contract as Warnock does rate him. That came from a friend who is the Finance Director of another Championship club
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Warnock does rate White, its KB who wont pay what Aiden and Warnock think he's worth
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06 Jul 2012 10:45:18
So we sell Clayton and with the money we will buy Kenny....Thats not a good sign of a Billionaire owner.
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No, with the money we buy Norris and Varney!
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You wont get Norris and Varney with 500k
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06 Jul 2012 10:37:07
Clayton gone, bates still owns us then lol
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06 jul 2012 10:35:43
every single one of our outgoing transfers is an undisclosed fee.
and bates wonders why he is hated so much. taxi for the crook your time is up.
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Have to agree 100% with this post. This has been my biggest problem with the current regime for as long as I can remember. Every single signing or player sold has been for an undisclosed fee. Bates could have helped himself out with the supporters by simply offering some clarity on what has been happening within the club. Although I assume he really doesn't give a damn about the supporters of our great club.
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06 Jul 2012 10:34:57
Anyone else distinctly unimpressed with the thought of selling Clayton ( as we seemingly couldn't afford acceptable wages) with an ageing journeyman David Norris ( who presumably will accept low wages)? Hardly inspires confidence.
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Norris will go to Sheffield Wed
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06 Jul 2012 10:16:04
New boy Adam Clayton explained that the Club's ambition appealed to him after signing a three year contract with Huddersfield Town on Thursday.
"It's the ambition of the place to be honest; once the Manager called me and I came down to meet the Chairman it was obvious. Everything about Huddersfield Town is moving forward and I want to go to the same place as the Club - I think this is a great place to achieve that,"
Great, so what does that say about our ambition? or should we just substitute "Wage Structure" for ambition. {Ed013's Note - He has to be positive going to a new club. He can't come out and say that he wanted to stay at Leeds, but I suppose Huddersfield will do as fans will hate him .Its all media stuff}
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Same thing said when all of our players transfer to our club, it's a load of absolute tosh
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To be fair every player that joins a new club sayd a similar sort of thing
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06 Jul 2012 10:15:43
I have just read the biggest load of s**te on clarkonenil banging on about players that warnock has that are old. Funny no one can comment on this crap either.
Question to you if your on this site how many of the players you list has warnock signed.
Answer none. We have sold a player who refused to sign a new contract fact end of.
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06 Jul 2012 09:46:58
Question for Ed.
Today we have sold Adam Clayton to Huddersfield Town... Good buisness in my eyes as he had more bad games for us than good and obviously wasn't in NW's plans. What I'm confused about though is how have we managed to sell one of our assetts when we are in the middle of a takeover?? surely things would have had to be finalised before we could start wheeling and dealing with transfers??
Does this mean we have a new owner and Bates has gone? Also what sort of money do we believe to have recieved from the Clayton sale?
thanks
Sankey.I {Ed013's Note - I have heard half a million which sounds like the amount QPR want for Paddy. I think Clayton is worth more, but Neil didn't want him. I wouldn't have sold him to a rival as it could come back to haunt us. There will be an agreement in place that what ever money Neil makes from players will be his to spend until the investment is finalised}
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Not good business at all. Short term thinking and this will very likely come back to haunt us.
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06 Jul 2012 08:49:31
its a joke clayton gone nw said he was being greedt that was the reason he listed him but it cant be money that why he let him go cheap. nw sheffield united day r coming back when he said he couldnt stand us now hes making sure he destroys us with his MATE BATES like to no your opinion ed
fed up theleeds 09 {Ed013's Note - Neil didn't like him, I think he was a good prospect, but I wouldn't have sold him cheaply to a rival}
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Time to move on yes clayton has left but so have better players than him in warnock i trust
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06 Jul 2012 10:09:32
Just noticed that @agentNCP the retiring football agent who has been tweeting really useful and accurate info that has been mentioned on this site re transfers has just been suspended from Twi**er. What do you have to do to get suspended? Real shame I will miss him.
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He was probably giving away ''hush hush'' info then.
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06 Jul 2012 09:20:59
Beckford asked if re signing for Leeds, just replied " I love that shirt" good source
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Old quote - Boring!
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06 Jul 2012 08:16:55
Leeds transfer listed Clayton because his agent asked for more money than he was worth, so why can Huddersfield give him the money he wants. Also, with a takeover possible, why couldn't we give him what he wants. If Warnock wants a different or better player than why not give him the cash and use him as back up?
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Could it be that Clayton will be seen as there star player, one of the top wage earners which woulnd be the case the case as Leeds. NW isnt stupid, he must have his reasons. Aparently Green was one of the most consistant players in the squad something NW stated he felt the squad did not have last season.
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Clayton's not good enough and I'm chuffed that Warnock recognised this.
After all the stick Howson took for disappearing, I can't believe how many Leeds fans are sorry to see a player go who could vanish quicker than Dynamo!!
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Clayton claims the rumours about him asking for 15k are not true - that was White. Fact is we don't pay players what they're worth which is why we keep losing them.
Going nowhere under Warnock & Bates. Let's hope we get new owners and a more enlightened, forward thinking manager soon.
And before anyone starts on about Warnock's promotion record take a look at how well his teams did once they were promoted. His relegation record is pretty dire.
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Another good young player goes to be replaced with one who will probably be over 27 yrs old. no long term thinking will be a good player for hudds
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So you are saying we should keep the guy, use him as a back up AND give him more money than the playing players are getting?
Is your name Ridsdale by any chance?
If the guy wants more money and Huddersfield will pay it, let him go, we just made half a million quid - enough to buy someone who DOES want to play for Leeds for the wages we offer?
Not sit on a bench and take the extra money?
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If we gave every player what they or their agent thought they were worth our wage bill would spiral out of control and it where would it end - there's always going to be a player that values himself higher than those around him even if he isn't worth it - prima donna springs to mind.
Surely it's better to offer players the market rate, if they don't want to play for LUFC then fair enough let them seek their pot of gold elsewhere. The grass is not always greener and I would rather see players in Leeds shirts that actually want to play for the club
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Maybe NW does not rate him for that amount of money and has better options lined up, personally I liked him and thought he had a future here but he wanted more Melkijonnymoney and possibly gets on bettrr with SG than NW Melkijonny
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Warnock is an awsome manAger, give the guy a chance. He's already signed quality player on freebies and will replace clacton with someone far better who will wear the shirt with pride.
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No-one's suggesting giving every player what they want. What I'm suggesting is you retain your best players, and those of who went to the games without sinking 6 or 8 pints beforehand know that Clayton was one of our best three or four best players last year. Yes, he faded a bit after Howson went, but most players thrive on partnerships, and he picked up towards the end.
Clayton is a good young player who was thought to be asking for a reasonable championship wage (9k) and the fact remains, whatever you think about footballers salaries in principal, that you will not retain players unless you compete on salary.
Hope I'm wrong but Warnock has not impressed me so far other than with the Pearce signing. We were dire for most games under him last season when he was brought 'in order to give us the best chance of making the play-offs'. We'd have finished bottom by around 10 points if you multiply his results over a season - and that is, unlike most things on here, a fact - go do the maths as they say.
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05 Jul 2012 22:13:45
This is the truth, here goes....Im very close to His Majesty King Hamad ibn Isa Al Khalifa. My father was his private physician for a number of years until 2004. I have been on at him for weeks asking him if it was him taking over. He kept laughing and saying 'dont worry'. Finally, I managed to speak to him today and he confirmed it. He said it isn't even confidential anymore as it will be announced tomorrow. He seemed very pleased and said he would be keeping Sean Harvey for the transition period at least. He also said that he has met Michael Owen on various occasions ( his family have significant horse racing interests as does Owen) and said there is a real possibility that a 2 year deal will be signed to bring the former England striker to ER this week. This is absolutely true. I imagine i will receive abuse for this post, but I wonder will apologies follow when the deal is completed this week?
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Ohh dear..! you sound so convincing its remarkable how can you be so close to royalty
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And Idi Amin was the true king of scotland
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Rhymes with ROLLOCKS
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As much as I would like to believe this, I can't see that this is true. I don't know about anyone else but I'm almost getting past the point of caring! All this takeover talk and waiting for it to happen is driving me mad and I can't concentrate at work! So I hope you are right, but I doubt it. I'll believe it when I see it on the OS or SSN.
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Jesus son, how much have you had to drink?
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This is about as convincing as Wombles really living in Wimbledon Common or that Ken actually care about LUFC
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Aww what a lovely story, don't tell us the next bit, titter, you fell in love with the Kings daughter and lived happily ever after.
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Absolutely true my hole! I know this because I was his private physician until 2004 and I have no children!
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Get a grip off your self you clown and go back to the circus
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So your saying it should be done Today? I'll hold you to that, and he would tell you this information why? Your thoughts on this Ed {Ed013's Note - I am not convinced}
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This was just ever so teeny weeny itsy bit believeable till you mentioned Michael Owen.......
.....just another windup no way will that ever happen!
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I'm sure you'll appreciate this is hard to believe and sounds a little dubious
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YAWN !! - FACT :-(
When will all this rubbish end, I guess we still have the kings chiropodist, dentist and colonic irrigator to comment, can't wait for that !
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The worrying thing about this post is that it's too accurate and articulate for someone who's been drinking. Either this is a wind up, in which case he or she needs to realise that they're not funny or in any way entertaining, or the poster is seriously deluded and in desperate need of clinical intervention...
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06 Jul 2012 07:57:09
cant believe we got rid of clayton why? he is only 23 and one of our best players last year and to sell him to one of our rivals is a joke!!
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I dont like that the players we are linked with are at the end of not very special careers (excluding pearce). meanwhile Huddersfield are picking up players with 10 years ahead of them. I do however like that we are building from the back. Time will tell trust in Warnock.
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He's not good enough, that's why! Overrated both by himself and many Leeds fans!
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He's so overated mate judge warnock signings once the season starts
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Considering we are supposed to close to a major takeover/investment why are we still selling our best players for peanuts and signing inferior ones ( except Pearce who was a good signing ) If we sign Varney and sell McCormack I would seriously ask what has changed ? This is no different to the last two seaons
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We sell Clayton to Huddersfield,which will do their promotion chances no harm at all,and we decide to invite that useless c**t,sorry i meant blunt, Michael Brown to bless us with another season at Leeds United.WHAT A DISGRACE!!! MOT
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All he is interested in is £$£$£$£$
Why do we want a player who doesn't WANT to play for Leeds?
Adam Clayton is STILL around, at least for now, despite turning down his last offer, obviously he still WANTS to play for Leeds and hopefully something can be worked out.....
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Chelsea won the champions lge wit team full of players in there early thirties......the scums two best players last season wer in ther late thirties......warnock is signing kids by comparisson to these and dont forget all the promising youth who will need the more expierenced players as mentors..
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06 Jul 2012 07:42:00
So what has today in store for us i wonder
Takeover news not rumours we must of been linked to every rich person
Wonder if we gonna sign any one today
Doubt this very much but i hope am wrong
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06 Jul 2012 07:34:41
Just a thought, with the sell of clayton which generate at least 1 million pound, we have money for 3 players, Norris, Varney and Peltier, this will make the team better:
Kenny
Peltier
Pearce
Keogh/Chambers
Drury
Snodgrass
Green
Norris
Quality play maker(have trust in neil!)
Varney
Striker Becchio
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How on earth do you think Clayton will raise a million? Maybe half that but no more....
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I for 1 would be amazed if thats the formation let alone team. becchio WILL not be lone striker. he will be up there with a partner. i imagine somebody small and fast. if you believe posts on here then it will most probably be becchio and owen, dj campbell or earnshaw. i dont believe any of these will be at leeds next year. either mccormack or some one from academy DANNYLUFC
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06 Jul 2012 07:24:02
Now clayton has gone i hope neil spends all the fee on soneone better......i would like mcgugan from forest, cant see that now they have been taken over tho....maybe ambrose from palace would be good....anyone got anymore ideas??
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Yeah keep clayton
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Probably pay for Kenny.....
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As a Forest fan ,Believe me you do not want McGugan, not unless you want a sore throat after shouting at him a whole match to stop being so f***** idle.
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06 Jul 2012 06:22:46
clayton signed it is now on the official site probs use that money for peltier and varney. overated and had half a good season......bit strange to announce it early on a friday morning ,maybe a couple of signings later today then.
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06 Jul 2012 05:58:35
Just wondering how long due diligence has taken with other clubs, eg Watford etc, etc. Also clinging onto the thought that L.U.S.T. seemed happy with the financial ability of the new prospective owners taking Leeds forward.
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Leeds accounts are a little more complex I would have thought than the average football team, with strange deals having taen place to buy/loan ER and TA to start with plus the last 'takeover' by Bates when somehow he sold the company to himself and all the debts magically disappeared. Add to that most of KB's money is in offshore banks that pride themselves in secrecy and don't like turning accounts over or explaining how the money they are looking after is invested, I think it would take a bit longer than normal to be completed
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How can LUST be happy about the financial ability of the prospective owners, even they say they don't know who it is, or if it is one of the people they have previously spoken too.
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06 Jul 2012 05:37:35
Good riddance to Clayton I say - played golf a few week ago with a Leeds player who said he is an absolute prima Donna and full of himself - only played well 1 in 5 games - well done Neil for seeing that !
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Totally agree ..... well overated! Can't believe that fans say that he played badly because of Howson's departure ..... if your good enough you won't get found out!!
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Completely agree folks. You could see from watching him that he thought he was a superstar - and what was with the upturned collar nonsense?
Can't believe all the wailing from Leeds fans over this. He had half a dozen decent games early last season and that was it. Not good enough by any stretch of the imagination. I'm happy to trust Warnock on signings, his record speaks for itself.
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06 Jul 2012 04:29:21
Today is takeover Friday yipeeee
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Think it's called takeaway friday....
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06 Jul 2012 01:49:17
If Clayton has gone to Huddersfield then the money generated from his sale should fund Peliter and Kenny,
So Peltier signing tomorrow could be true?. Maybe one of the others with Peltier like Varney or Norris from Portsmouth Maybe Chambers will come in on a free and Claytons wages will be paid to him. We need some activity to give us all a boost for the comming days.
white4ever. {Ed013's Note - He has gone}
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06 Jul 2012 00:32:48
We need to stop making all these f**king excuses, when we're the ones being done over. Everytime we lose our better players we make little things wrong in their game out like they were huge problems. Huddersfield are buying quality young players it clearly wan't grayson's fault all out poor signings, it was bates' lack of funding. Clayton is top notch championship quality. McCormack is still 3 or 4 years off his prime and he was brilliant for us last season and can only get better but we'll get rid of him and we'll make up excuses like he is a money grabber or we have to trust warnock. We will sell him for a fraction of what he is worth like Clayton and replace them both with players past there prime, that are no where near as good. I've lost patience with Warnock now. No progression, no youth, no excitement, no hope. I know I'll get told to have faith in Warnock and I'm wrong but it's all part of Leeds fans' inability to realise when we're being f**ked over. I hope I'm wrong and we do get, equal or better players but I doubt it.
A p***ed off JackTheWhite
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We have the two best young centre backs in the division now, keep a lid on it mate.
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Well said mate
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06 Jul 2012 00:15:08
Really do think Warnock has got it wrong with Clayton, we needed to keep hold of him, brilliant player for now and even more of a good prospect for the future. All I can think is that he's selling him for a fraction of what he's worth just so he can get Peltier or Kenny in earlier. With the people we have bought and the targets we have been linked with, Pearce is the only player who is the right age we should be looking at. I just think that other teams are signing better, younger players and we will struggle to get promoted with players such as varney replacing McCormack, Green replacing Clayton, Drury for White, young players with huge potential being replaced by past it players that are not even as good anyway. The excitement of this takeover has definitely gone in my mind.
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05 Jul 2012 23:32:35
Disappointed if Clayton goes especially to them lot down the road. I think he's a good young midfielder who isn't afraid to put a tackle in and can grab a hand full of goals as well. I know there is still a possible take over/ investment to look forward to but if not that leaves us with Michael brown who personally i don't think is good enough for Leeds united.
Joe Kerr mot
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