Leeds Banter Archive October 06 2020

 

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06 Oct 2020 22:08:08
What have Man United, the Black Eyed Peas and Prince Andrew all got in common?

They've been useless ever since Fergie left 😂😂.

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07 Oct 2020 02:19:33
👏👍🏻.

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06 Oct 2020 16:49:36
I think a lot of negativity around Tyler Roberts but he is only 21 still, looking at the squad we have players who are around that age that haven't made the same contribution as him yet they are lauded . So think given his age he can still develop under Bielsa .

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06 Oct 2020 17:27:15
There is no doubt that Roberts has got talent, but he just doesn’t seem to be able to transfer that into games.
Maybe he will push on now we are in the Premiership, but I do think we should be seeing more of an end product at the age of 21. Most players that are very good/ great, have already shown what they are capable of by this age, but I don’t think we have.
Time will tell and I hope he makes the grade, but I am not putting any money on it!

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06 Oct 2020 17:30:52
You could give Tyler Roberts as many years as you want. HE WILL STILL BE A CHAMPIONSHIP PLAYER! NOT GOOD ENOUGH! I love the lad but calling it as I see it!

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06 Oct 2020 19:51:21
Great post Mighty and it certainly made me think. There are other youngsters like Gotts and Shackleton who are roughly same age as Roberts yet as you say are lauded by sone yet only have limited first team playing time.
There’s a reason MB is picking him above other young lads such as Shackleton and who are we to disagree!
Must admit i really do rate Shacks though.

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06 Oct 2020 20:11:57
He hasn't managed to develop in the last 2 years due to injury si he is now behind where he would have been with fitness and game time. Maybe he can make up that lost ground and maybe not. I don't see him as a starter at the moment unless we have no choice but continuing his development and coming on as a sub maybe he will.

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06 Oct 2020 21:20:09
the lad has something but still lacking in this team. I see it more as the rest are really good rather than him being poor. that said sadly he is the weak link so for me should be dropped but not written off just yet.

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07 Oct 2020 06:10:17
Agree with you Bermo, Roberts should definitely not be written off. I reached the City match and two good passages of play showed what Roberts can do.
The no-eyes reverse pass on the edge of their area, in to the path of the on running Dallas, whose shot was smothered. Maybe lucky, but may be he reacted to a call and had the technique to pull it off. I like to think the latter
The other was the long range pass out to the right wing, perfectly weighted and in to the path of the on running attacker.
I think the lad is a talent and will develop.

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07 Oct 2020 06:40:42
but who to replace him with?

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06 Oct 2020 16:09:42
We have many a bad in deal in the transfer market - Revie, Collins, Strachan, Bowyer, Radebe etc etc. One that isn't often remembered is Robert Molenaar. Bought for £1 million by George Graham. I remember watching in the stand week after week with us going nowhere but downhill after Howard Wilkinson. Molenaar shored up the defence and then Jimmy Floydd came in for £2 million and the goals started coming. One of the bigger turnarounds we have had with two influential platers. Neither of them stayed for the O'Leary years though but helped the transition.

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06 Oct 2020 16:40:51
Half my first sentence went awol. Should have gone on to say 'but many good ones'

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06 Oct 2020 16:49:07
Hess Both Molenaar and JFH played for a short time during the O'Leary years as both were sold by O'Leary. Admittedly, in the case of JFH, we were unwilling sellers but it's wrong to say neither player stayed when in fact they did for a season or thereabouts.

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06 Oct 2020 16:59:57
Robert Molenaar - The Terminator.

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06 Oct 2020 17:11:34
Trouble these days lots of players are bought on stats by people who have never played the game.
This is where Bielsa's great talent of identifying the players he wants, comes in.
Up to Bielsa's arrival Orta's recruitment both here and at Boro was questionable to say the least.
What he has achieved to date with the squad is remarkable and I think Roma are mistaken if they think the man to get is Orta, the real genius is Bielsa.

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06 Oct 2020 19:07:48
You have a good point 1970

Remember Bub famously bought Poch as a player just by looking at his legs while he slept (Poch’s mum was present though 😂)

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06 Oct 2020 19:54:22
Molenaar was ok at best. Imagine him in this team. No I can’t either.

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06 Oct 2020 23:46:29
1970, you could argue Orta recruitment was always excellent, just the coaches he recruited them for couldn't get out of them what Bielsa does!
No you're right.

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07 Oct 2020 06:44:00
most of the players Orta has brought in have been terrible even with Bielsa. The majority were youth players that have never made it. Yes there have been a few exceptions but even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day. I'm praying his success rate improves with this latest window.

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07 Oct 2020 17:31:49
I only remember Molenaar as being utter gash! Possibly played half a season for each of the 3 he was here, and that’s at most. Weatherall, Newsome, then Radebe were ahead of him, if I remember right. Probably not tho! 😉🤪🤪.

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06 Oct 2020 13:24:53
The rest of the season is setting up to be a man management challenge for Marcelo. Quarts into pint pots comes to mind, but of all the problems, it is one of the better ones.

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06 Oct 2020 12:53:13
Radzs get your boy Victor down to Norwich now and sign up the lad Cantwell ( before someone else sneaks in and gets him) , then put your feet up and sup a few beers! And bask in a job well done ✔!

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06 Oct 2020 13:06:48
Mezzer . Cantwell last season scored 6 goals but contributed only 2 assists . decent goal return but underwhelming assist return albeit in a struggling Norwich team

Maybe there is a better option than Cantwell?

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06 Oct 2020 13:22:28
Certainly a question mark over Cantwells over all contribution? He looks good with many tricks and flicks but would really prefer a little more end product. This is certainly one I will leave to "The Management". If MB says he can get far more out of him then so be it.

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06 Oct 2020 13:23:28
Bazooka not bad stats for a young lad new to that division and playing in a struggling team, could only seeing improving under bielsa at Leeds.

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06 Oct 2020 13:30:35
And yes agree de Paul would be great but I said at the start he would not come to Leeds as I don't think they really had any intention of selling him or we would pay the fee they wanted. Maybe in a season or so the tide may change and we will be in the position to take the next step.

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06 Oct 2020 16:05:37
Buendia is the one to get from Norwich, 2 footed, creates chances, good dribbler. Bielsa can get him into the box to score aswell. Threads a mean through ball only 23 2 yrs left on deal.

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06 Oct 2020 17:12:13
Cantwell is still young, and will thrive under Bubs. Get him ASAP, plus Benrahma.

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06 Oct 2020 17:22:41
Agreed his stats for assists are poor, but in a team that couldn’t hit a bulls arse with a banjo his stats are possibly disproportionate versus chances he setup.
He could have put 50 chances on a plate that any other front line would have converted, but Pukki and co didn’t convert.
Not sure if he is the no. 10 we are looking for, but maybe he could be. lots of questions and very few answers.

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07 Oct 2020 06:18:04
Cant see Cantwell coming to Leeds.

I keep reading that he will be a candidate for the number 10 role here, yet why?, he isn't Norwich's No10 so why would we want to put him there after paying out a lot of money?

Buendia was Norwich's No10 last season, Cantwell played right midfield (well I thought) . So if we were to buy him surely we would look to play him in his more favoured role. If we are looking for cover for our 10 (Henandez) then shouldn't we be looking at Buendia instead?
At the moment we already have a young British talent being given exposure to that role (Roberts) why buy another?

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06 Oct 2020 11:42:48
woke up feeling more positive than I have done since we signed Martyn and bowyer

I have been skeptical of Rads, saying he won't invest, not a fan, he is skint and just milking the club. well rads has put his money where his mouth is and fair play. what a window, hats off to orta as well

raphia excites me as the fans of Rennes are proper Pi"Sed off and that's what I want to see. a lot of anger and bitteness is normally a good sign

imagine how we'd react if we lost klich yesterday? its a bit like that so all good!

on similar note Klich was 1.5m has there ever been a better signing for leeds?

Gary Mac and John Lukic at 1m have to be up there but that was quite dear at the time. Then you have Strachan and chapman and Lucas all great value for money but in my opinion Kilich is right up there pound for pound.

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06 Oct 2020 12:11:43
Strachan?

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06 Oct 2020 12:12:11
O forgot Radebe 250000 wasnt it.

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06 Oct 2020 12:36:32
Good post bermo. Right about Klich, players player I reckon, quietly goes about his business but missed when he comes off like he did against City. A professional that links KP to those in front of him. He has made the move up to the prem very well. And such a good example that with Bielsa you can earn a chance and then sieze it!

I think the additions have been very creative and dealt well with the disappointment of White. Interesting to see our attitude to the EFL market.

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06 Oct 2020 13:00:25
Good post

Agree about Radz and Orta; I have been sceptical of Radz and been very critical of both Radz and Orta in January windows of 2019 and 2020

BUT this summer window 2020 has been fantastic!


hats of to them and the Take It Home series 1 and 2 has revealed even more their class, passion and desire for Leeds United ;very happy 😊 😊

Agree Klich very good value signing at £1.5 million but didn't happen for him at all in his first year at the club ; it took Bielsa to bring the best out of him!

Top legend Gordon Strachan 💜💜 though for me certainly one of the best signings and best value for money signings at £250,000 ; Strach was the MAJOR inspiration, motivator and catalyst for our promotion champions and League Champions successes all achieved in just 3 seasons since his arrival # what a player!

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06 Oct 2020 13:25:15
yes same Bermo, I have criticised in the past about lack of investment and lack of buying assets for the club but we have certainly gone a long way to rectifying that this window so very happy. This humble pie is delicious. Wether I have another slice once the signings come good after what I said about Orta remains to be seen but I so hope these signings won't all turn out to be flops.

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06 Oct 2020 13:26:42
One of my favourite players a defender not the biggest but could leap like a Salmon and a bargain at £500k Chris Fairclough.

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06 Oct 2020 15:07:43
Berm Klich is up there but Strachan, McAllister, Radebe and McCormack probably of slightly superior value. Think about what we sold McCormack for. I believe we sold him for 36 times what we paid.

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06 Oct 2020 20:02:08
I agree Chris Fairclough bargain of the century. Followed by Strachan. And hopefully followed by the new Brazilian lad just bought from Rennes last night.

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06 Oct 2020 21:25:23
I agree about fairclough

I agree about mcalester probably my fav player since I have been a leeds fan but at 1mill in 1990 he was not cheap think how mad money has gone in football and 25 years later klich only cost 0.5mill more. in todays market Gary Mac at 1 million is probably more like 30. that said you can't put a price on class which Mac was

good point about mccormick great value for money especially considering the sale price.

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06 Oct 2020 09:46:04
Kinnear quote re Orta to Roma;
"If they saw his behaviour in the Director's box, they wouldn't want him. ".
🤣🤣🤣👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻.

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06 Oct 2020 07:59:19
With the signing of Raphinha late last night and the close of the international window, my 11 would be.

Meslier,
Ayling, Koch, Cooper, Dallas
Phillips
Raphinha, Rodrigo, Klich, Harrison
Bamford.

Bench looks pretty healthy too.

Caprile,
Struijk
Llorente
Costa
Hernandez
Shackleton
Poveda

Bear in mind this doesn't even include.

Douglas
Alioski
Davis
Roberts
Gotts
Greenwood
Gelhardt
Casilla
Forshaw


Well done to management I must say.

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06 Oct 2020 09:03:09
Still a loan option we could use, and if (as Radz said we had 50 mill last week to spend) , money still there think either Cantwell or Benrhama I'd prefer Benhrama but rumours strong on Cantwell
Or keep it until Jan then go back to Udinese for Rod.

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06 Oct 2020 09:11:00
Think lorente will be included in our back four sooner rather than later and Cooper spending time on the bench, love coopers passion for the club as a fan and I do think he tries hard, but he isn't going to keep lorente out indefinitely.

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06 Oct 2020 10:12:51
I would love us to get Rodrigo de Paul in Jan window.

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06 Oct 2020 11:10:18
Bit harsh on costa. He done his settling in. I’d pick harrison and costa for while and prov to come on for last 30 min reg. Tha fins can wait his turn. Think he will take min 2-3 months to shine.

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06 Oct 2020 11:28:14
Aus with our high energy, high press, then think having several attack minded wingers to bring on during the game is vital. Costa, Harrison, Raphina will all play their part, even the younger squad members coming through.

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06 Oct 2020 11:43:05
Mezze, I see were your coming from. the two wingers that start know they can do everything at 100mph in the knowledge that once the tank is empty there are two more speedster ready to keep up that intensity. I can't imagine many teams will cherish that coming at them


However. spare a thought for our two full backs. One of their primary roles is to overlap the wingers in order to create overloads on the opposition defence. Can you imagine just how fit and fast they will have to be to support their winger for the whole 90 mins. Good luck to those guys, they must already be counting the days till the last day of the season. Absolute beasts.

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06 Oct 2020 12:41:48
Axe, I think Dallas and Ayling have got great engines as the saying goes. Did hear on the commentary of the Leeds v Man city game that bielsa 's murder ball training is harder than playing a match lol. Really think the collective team spirit at Leeds and team before self is bielsa's way of doing things, players buy into this or the don't fit in . Other teams have their superstar egos but don't believe this type is right for bielsa. We have got a good squad now with some great youngsters waiting to come in. Nice to hear the neutrals speaking well of our great club in the media, shows how well we are doing, good times to come.

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Review Of The Day 6th October 2020

06 Oct 2020 07:39:20
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 6th October 2020

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