Leeds Banter Archive August 07 2011

 

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07 Aug 2011 23:39:02
Leeds united will Sign mr no one

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Is he free?

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SG is to blame for the signings no1 else, all you fans that blame bates, SG wanted lonergan and you thought the deal was off down to wages how wrong were you, brown, o'brien 2 players that are still on premiership wages. Did you miss Blackpool playing in the Premiership on their budget, SG has loads of money he just doesn't / can't handle the pressure of LUFC

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Scum fan on the wind up eh?

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No leeds fan home and away for 26 years don't take the p*** calling me a scum fan. I despise SG hope he goes soon you will all see what i see

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07 Aug 2011 22:45:15
So let me get this right, people are now wanting Grayson to be sack. Okay so let's get rid of the guy who got us out of league one and got use our best league position in 5 seasons. Yesterday was only the first game of the new season yes we lost but we still have another 45 games to play. If anyone should leave it should be Mr "let's build a hotel and shopping arcade" Bates, f**king guy is a joke.

Mikey

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Bates might not be everyones fav chairman but he is far better than most SG is the joke he's crap nothing else to say you have read the other poster's points it's clear fall all to see open your eyes and smell the freakin white rose SG is crap as a manager {Ed001's Note - Bates is better than most? Perhaps you might want to speak to Bournemouth and Chelsea fans if you are really of that belief. Personally I can only think of Ridsdale who is worse. Both are leeches who take, take and take some more. Both leave the clubs in a state of financial collapse. The difference is that Bates got lucky once with a Russian billionaire, that won't happen again.}

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If larry was that good we should have been out of league one much sooner. We only got out by the skin of our teeth and in all the seasons we have been with him we have seen a monumental fail in the second half if the season after Xmas with poor results, poor tactics and poor signings. Grayson isnt the worst manager, but he isn't the best. I want good consistency not poor like were getting

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Ed what about Carson Yeung, Sulaiman Al Fahim, Alexandre Gaydamak, Ali al-Faraj, Balram Chainrai, Glazers, tom hicks, george gillett, Dave Allen, Kevin McCabe, gold, sullivan to name a few the list is endless

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Birmingham, Portsmouth, Scum, liverpool, Shef Wed, Shef Utd, West Ham fans would have something to say about your statement, bates might not be your cup of tea but chelski are doing ok under RA and who sorted that a one Mr Ken Bates so I think you are wrong to be so critical at least leeds are run financially solvent now under bates {Ed001's Note - you clearly have no idea, most of the others did not do a systematic rape of the clubs they owned, like Bates does. They were just clueless or, in the case of a number of them, caught out by a global recession. Do you know that Chelsea would have gone into admin if Roman hadn't agreed to rescue them? Also that the reason they hadn't already gone into admin was because the Matthew Harding Foundation pumped millions into the club? That previous to that Harding, while alive, had stepped in to rescue the club from folding? Seems to me you are so blinded by your obsession with getting rid of Grayson that you have failed to see anything else. Clearly you have no idea about what it takes to run a football club or how they are run.}

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Spot on Ed.

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Ed leeds are financially solvent under bates so not sure what your saying there? {Ed001's Note - financially solvent? Do you understand what a CVA is? Until that is gone the club are technically insolvent.}

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Ed your wrong in many statements and yes I knewabout chelski but still there fans would be happy, you have to ask why Bates has not been caught out by the global recession, I like how bates runs leeds, i like the wage structure I beleive all clubs should be run in this way, i enjoy how bates pi***s of other mangers, police, HMRC, MP's as i like leeds to be hated i find it funny, i also think that you are blinded by your obsession of hating bates, this is why you can't see how inept SG is. I also never professed that i can run a football club or new how to. Clearly I am not a football chairman as i am on this website i run a football coaching business hold a UEFA B licence, I no how to coach and that is SG job he hasn't delivered on his duties {Ed001's Note - I have never claimed that Grayson is a good manager at all, I am merely saying it is difficult to judge a man operating with both hands tied behind his back. You like how Bates runs Leeds? Are you insane? He siphons off huge sums to hidden offshore accounts to avoid paying tax and stops the club from being able to spend what it makes. Well it is difficult to spend it when it is in Bates' pocket! Grayson might not be the answer long term, you could well be right about him but you are completely and utterly wrong about Bates.}

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ED once a CVA is agreed in court it effectively makes the company solvent again, do some research, Oncea CVA is approved, all creditors are legally bound by the proposal and after approval the company makes agreed contributions to the trust account that is created the CVA does not act as any debt to the company. There are certain reporting requirements to a CVA Supervisor, but they are normally simple and brief.
As long as the company adheres to the terms of the CVA, the company is run under the control of the directors without any outside interference.

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07 Aug 2011 22:16:01
good luck larry - make the next 2 weeks dealings and tactics count or else its Vialli, De Matteo, Zola anything but the non WISE
Poyet a very happy fella at Brighton - seagulls are a refreshing addition to the league and great ambition

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Wont be di matteo since hes just gone to chelsea as assistant, think about it fella

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If SG had 2 years all the luck in the world wouldn't save him as he doesn't know what he's doing

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2 years during which he's got one promotion then 7th spot - despite getting no financial backing from his board.

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07 Aug 2011 21:39:08
I don't think we should be calling for simon graysons head after 1 game even tho the team performance was shocking, give him a chance to turn it round, the transfer window is still open, look at his record, he got us out of league 1 and personally we did very well to finish 7th in our first season, maybe he has more and can keep taking us forward, we need the downs to appreciate the ups, let's just give him a chance and see where it goes.

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Don't care what you say as at crimbo and defo by the end of the year you will be saying SG out, he should go now to give a manager suitable time to put SG mess in order

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07 Aug 2011 21:29:25
Saturday felt like 5 years ago in the dark days,it was the worst performance as a team since then, I walked out of st Mary embarrassed our team played like that, as would any other supporters of any other team would have been, the team showed no willing or passion or fight, I can take a loss but when 95% of the team doesn't show that then it's a huge problem, I don't fully blame Grayson and bates yet because end of the day it's the players that have to perform the manager can only show his way, his tactics weren't the best but surely the team which we had on paper should of done the job, the transfer window isn't closed yet, we NEED to make some inspiring signings now to move the team forward so that's kens part, and Simon needs to get the players we have to be filled with confidence and show their passion if they have some, the supporters will help the teams drive but this won't last long if the team performs like that again, then kens and Simons head will be on the line, Ken done good job turning the club round, but if he can't take it forward then take wot u have and leave.

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How did Ken do a good job in turning the club around?

Was it by taking us into didvision 3 and getting rid of his £35m of debt by going into administration?


What a business guru

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AT LAST SOME SENSE, WE MUST BE THE ONLY TWO WHO ACTUALLY GO TO THE MATCHES ON HERE

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Better that than the club ceasing to exist

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Bates doesn't manage the team or players or coaches thats the manager and what do you expect to happen leeds got relegated and we had left over Ridsdale debts what did you expect to happen

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List of FC that have gone into administration

Charlton Athletic, Middlesbrough, Chester City, Hull, Queens Park Rangers, Halifax Town, Bradford City, Leicester, Port Vale,
York City, Derby County, Ipswich Town,
Wimbledon, MK Dons, Darlington, Bradford City, Wrexham, Cambridge United, Rotherham United, Boston United, Leeds United, Luton Town, Bournemouth,
Rotherham United, Halifax Town, Darlington, Southampton, Stockport County, Chester City, Northwich Victoria
Farsley Celtic, Salisbury City, Weymouth,
Crystal Palace, Portsmouth, Plymouth Argyle

9 of which are in the EC and 1 in the EPL being

Middlesbrough, Hull, QPR, Leicester, Derby, Ipswich, Leeds, Southampton, Palace, Portsmouth

So stop using LUFC as an excuse to be a bates hater leeds are financially sound under bates that means no debt for the more stupid fans {Ed001's Note - or for you, it means there is a debt which you have failed to understand. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about so please stop trying to sound clever.}

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07 Aug 2011 20:08:57
Let's get this bearded f***ing person Out of our club before he takesus back to the risdale years freebies loans has Beens I'm sick of it all way tosouthampton forTHAT I love this club and I'm sick of putting my money in to it week in and week out and watching rubbish grow some balls Grayson and tell it as it is We generate more revenue than most and spend jack s**t we have to hit him in the pocket no merchandise and let's stop going to eland road then see what the shiny 7 million pound stand is good for then

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This is all SG fault no1 else look at Norwich, swansea blackpool you keep talking about money it's about managers managing and SG can't coach or manage it's clear looking at the back for 114 goals in 2 seasons that jsut league games more than 1.2 goals a game.

SG is a nice guy but thats it you need some balls, fight, spirit all of which SG gas none he needs to go

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Hows it graysons fault when hes given a structure? this is what annoys me, you lot constantly slag grayson off, the reason we cant get any 'premier league' talent in is because of Bates's wage structure, and to be fair Norwich have decent financial backing, swansea didnt do too bad for money and pool also have pretty good financial backing, id say graysons a better manager than brandon rodgers at least

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Swansea bought Scott sinclair and Luke Moore last summer for best part of £1.5m from the premier league. Then spent another half million in January. Yest their income and balance sheet was far worse than ours.

When Norwich were promoted ahead of us they'd paid for 4 players in January then 7 more (including some from PL) before last season, then another 2 in January.

Blackpool also strengthened by buying a number of players before the season and in the January when they got promoted - including half a million for Charlie adam. (And who was it that asembled the basis of the promotion squad...SG).

What have we done ahead of our 'promotion push' (yeah right)? We've spent £100k on a keeper from the 3rd division, 1/10th of what we received when dumping our previous keeper, got an unwanted centre back on loan and a brought in a 34 year old crock on a freebie.

yeah, that's right its all SGs fault eh?

BATES OUT {Ed001's Note - Blackpool did not buy Charlie Adam and they did not use club funds to buy most of their squad or to pay win bonuses. That all came from their Latvian owner. Except for Adam, who was bought on the never never, with Blackpool only paying the interest on the 500k until he was sold.}

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Thats why they are in the premier league? are you sg you alk crap,, and have a look at what you just wrote then have a look at the acc**ts for the clubs come back when you have actually done some research

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And that still means nothing grayson sees himself as a wheeler dealer, he will not spend money that is availble to him the company accounts show that transfer money is set aside, I think that SG is scared that if he spends he will have to deliver and he knows he ca't, blackppol spent nothing, swansea deal wasn't 1.5m it was all hidden with clauses meaning that only if they had success would they pay anywhere near that amount. As for Norwich what did they spend how many players did leeds have on loan or buy over the same period your protection of SG is admirable

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07 Aug 2011 21:49:43
Don't all be doom and gloom its first game of season and we've lost a few regular players give them time to gel n we'll be up there clayton will come through and be as good as bradley we need a good solid championship midfielder to guide both howson n clayton don't think browns the man but give it time. We are leeds

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It's not about doom or gloom it's about accepting that something has to change and we have 45 games to do that why waste time just get SG sacked it is simple then we can push on

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Sacking the guy would do f*** all when wed have the same players and the same problems

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Yes but we would have a manager that can manage, has some inspiration, can coach players, has an idea of tactics and can make statements in the media that don't give false hope

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07 Aug 2011 21:44:34
Surely there must be some investor out there who loves the club as much as we do.....if your reading this please please do something

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No investor will invest with a 10 year CVA in place and KB owning TA and ER rather than LUFC wning them, also they would like to see a team/ squad with potential non of which we have atm

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07 Aug 2011 21:41:08
Just in Ken Bates was very dissapointed with how Simon Grayson displayed his team on Saturday Night, we have quality players in our team but the tactis last night were like beginner style.

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KB has every right to be dissapointed grayson can not manage, people telling Bates to spend money are stupid with money comes added pressure and teams wanting to beat you players on higher wages need to be managed I have no confidence that SG could handle that you all look at Sven but he doesn't care like water of ducks back to him. SG can't manage or coach he has proved this he needs to go KB sack grayson please

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07 Aug 2011 21:21:17
Saturday felt like 5 years ago in the dark days,it was the worst performance as a team since then, I walked out of st Mary embarrassed our team played like that, as would any other supporters of any other team would have been, the team showed no willing or passion or fight, I can take a loss but when 95% of the team doesn't show that then it's a huge problem, I don't fully blame Grayson and bates yet because end of the day it's the players that have to perform the manager can only show his way, his tactics weren't the best but surely the team which we had on paper should of done the job, the transfer window isn't closed yet, we NEED to make some inspiring signings now to move the team forward so that's kens part, and Simon needs to get the players we have to be filled with confidence and show their passion if they have some, the supporters will help the teams drive but this won't last long if the team performs like that again, then kens and Simons head will be on the line, Ken done good job turning the club round, but if he can't take it forward then take wot u have and leave. {Ed003's Note - I'm not a Leeds Ed guys, just covering........ The window is still open,who knows the eventual champions might have just beat you, and you finish runners up at the end of the season.....chill it's 1 game in out of 46}

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Kens done a good job turning the club around?

How was that?

By taking us into the 3rd division for the first time in our history?

By taking us into administration?

By ripping off the tax man and lots of local businesses?

By getting in many millions and spending virtually none of it on the team?

By provoking a probable investigation into the club?

By alienating player's agents?

By slagging off our players in the press?

By banning the BBC and Guardian from the club because they stood up to him?

By repeatedly lying to the fans?

By imposing a ridiculous wage structure that prevents the club retaining or replacing players?

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Well said Ed

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Max gradels agent seams happy at ER as e keeps bringing trialists to the club, every business rips off the taxman, administration was a sensible way to clear PD debts, who gives a toss about an investigation into leeds, which FC hasn't banned a media source, which FC hasn't invested in stadia, and a fair play financial structure is what UEFA FIFA is pushing for

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07 Aug 2011 21:08:56
You guys might not agree. yes our defence was rubbish again but don't u all think we should be looking at the coaches not just players and managers and chairman As it is the defensive coach what needs the sack.

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The defensive coach is just one of a number of problems have at the club.

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The 1st person that needs to go is SG even o'leary sorted the df he said i'll coach them 1 on 1 and he did he sorted it why hasn't SG sorted it why can't he see, i think he can see it but he doesn't know how to sort it he is clueless

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07 Aug 2011 20:48:48
Don't think majority of u lot can read tbh. Bates has said that he gave grayson a budget for transfers and wages and that anyhting he brought in from player sales would be all added to the budget. Kasper was probably the highest payed player at the club and he was sold for around 1.5 mil which means grayson has at least 1.5 mil to spend and the wages freed up, it is grayson who isn't spending so all u muppets wanting bates out get clued up. Grayson is the problem, constantly signs terrible players so bates is within his right not to let him spend money, he is a terrible tactcian also. We hadn't lost a opening game for 20 years, that muppet has lost 2 in a row Time for bates to do yet another good thing for leeds and bring in billy davis or gus poyet, let them have a bit of money coz they can sign top players and get leeds back to the prem {Ed003's Note - Has the transfer window closed ??}

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Man U fan on the wind up?

What Bates says and what Bates does aint the same thing.

He said the Kasper money would be available but he said the same of the Chelsea, Spurs and Everton money for them signing our youngsters. He said the same of the Delph money. He said the cup runs weren't budgeted for either but there's been close to bugger all spent.

He also said we always get the players we want - yet anyone half decent has turned us down because of HIS wage structure.

Last sumer we got a load of rejects. This summer we've not even had that.

Whether SG proves to be the right man for the job or not if you support Bates you dont truly support Leeds.

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Or poster spot on mate i don't care if you are a scum fan because your talking sense

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LOST AGAINST DERBY LAST YEAR FIRST GAME

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07 Aug 2011 20:18:28
Never seen so many critical posts on this site - c'mon Leeds get behind the boys.. I'm as sick as everyone about the result but lets give the lads 4-5 games - both Snodgrass and O'Brien were clearly not match fit due to recent injuries, and leaving out Nunez was a big mistake, it will come good trust me.. just a quality left back and another striker needed.... Marching on Together

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I admire your faith but with our current squad, lack of investment,league 1 wage structure, lack of team spirit and big players who have lost patience with the quality of half the squad your faith is likely to be severely tested this season

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Can we stop with league 1 wage structure take time to actually find out just how much we pay players and where we sit in the league on playes wages unlike sg leeds would sit in the playofs, sg just cant coach, blackpool and swansea didn't need loads of money they just had a quality manager it's simple

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Brandon rodgers is NOT a quality manager

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07 Aug 2011 20:40:02
Not really a rhumor, just a point of view, SG does most buisiness a week after the transfer wondow has shut, when he can get the loan players in.Will he last that long?

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07 Aug 2011 19:58:18
I don't know how the majority of you can kick off about bates so much. Was he on the pitch not closing down hammond when he scored saints' first goal? Was he the one who decided to play a poor centre back at left back? Was he the one who decided to go gung-ho and try and score a goal every time we had the ball leaving us completely exposed on the break? Was he the one who decided to wait til we were 3-0 down and well and truly out of the game before making changes (one of which being to take a striker off when we clearly needed goals)? The main problem is grayson who's fault all the above points were, he is a poor tactician and is very poor in the transfer market. Yes, i agree bates should perhaps give more money for players instead of the hotel etc... but he is a clever business man and is speculating to accumalate. If he spent all our money this season like leicester are and we didn't get promoted we would have financial problems whereas i think he believes as well as me that we can get promoted without loads of investment. The way he is running the club is making sure that when we do get promoted we will be very financially sound to stay up and never come back down again. Another point is that why should bates give grayson more money when he has a proven track record of signing poor players or players that aren't ready yet and will be loaned out therefore not strengthening the current squad. I was at the game yeaterday as i will be all season and if the fans had been more concerned about supporting the team for the whole game instead of anti-bates songs maybe we would have performed better. Don't get me wrong it was still tremendous support from us, e.g the 'we all love leeds' before half time but if i was a player and all i could hear is the fans asking for more money money, investment, players etc... i wouldn't feel good enough and my confidence would be very low.

Get behind the team, stop moaning about bates and get behind the team and drive the mighty whites back to the prem

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No you cannot blame Bates for what happens on the pitch but you sure can blame Bates for not supporting the manager to buy better players that would do the jobs you have pointed out, instead of giving him a chance to do the job he is employed to do Bates is starving him of ever improving the squad the way he really wants to Grayson knows deep down that the players he has acquired are not the real deal, and he will probably lose his job for it eventually, Bates is the man to point the finger of doom at at least Grayson looks pretty p$ssed off about the playing situation, bates is just opening another bottle of wine that you paid for last time you paid at the turnstile.

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No he was the fun that failed to open the cheque book which would allow us to build on last years success. He was the one who failed to offer the right money to the right people. He is the one who is leaving quality players like gradel hanging in his last year of his contract creating anxiety and showing a lack of ambition. He is the one that's failed to invest on the team, but investing in corporate facilities that won't get used. I could go on...........players work of ambition which starts at board level. If my employer behaved like bates does I wouldn't be particularly focused at work or give a s**t what happens on the pitch..

Bates is a silly stubborn old man that relentlessly offends people and organisations through sheer blind ignorance and he is ruining the status of our club

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Grayson has signed carp because of Bates's wage structure. Its not difficult to understand. I really don't think anyone is so dumb as to use that as an excuse for Bates. He's never been given a decent transfer budget and has a wage structure imposed thats meant anyone half decent has turned us down.

He isn't speculating on the team and the idea that we can get promoted with the current squad is a frickin joke.

As to why they aren't performing can you blame them? By the end of last season their chairman was slagging off their team mates in the press, two of their team mates went elsewhere because the club wouldn't offer them reasonable wages, their keeper was sold with no replacement and contradictory stories put out to the press about him, they've seen no ambition from the club in the transfer market, they can no doubt see there's holes in the squad that are left un-remedied. Why would they feel motivated?

Still, I'm sure singing some different songs would have made all that better.

If you support Bates you're part of the problem.

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I am sure that you are not daft enough to believe that Bates chose O'Brian/O'Dea/Lonegrhan and all the other average players that have come into the club recently, either on loan or signed. These have been the choice of the manager and for what he is paying them per week I am sure there are far better players out there. in any business, like it or not there is a budget to work to and it is up to the manager to work to that budget. We can then see how good the manager really is if he can perform within that budget. To be honest, he hasn't done bad so far, has he? losing one game isn't the end of the world. People on here have been raving how fantastic West Ham will be, taking the chance and spending fortunes on wages and transfer fees. They lost today-at home to a club who have had to cut back on wages and spending and the manager has had to work with what he has. The season has started so lets back the team and let SG do his job. We play 46 games in the league. Judge after 10 games, not one.

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07 Aug 2011 19:43:27
LEEDS UTD:Heard a rumor, Bates will *SACK* Grayson,and ZOLA will become new manager WITHIN 2 WEEKS Gj

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And Zola will get the same as Grayson fack all to work with.

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Even if that is the case which its not i.e have feck all to work with, zola will be able to coach unlike SG

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07 Aug 2011 19:11:20
I think we should give grella another go ,can't be any worse than paynter,at least he sounds like he's playing with a bit of confidence,maybe billy needs to go on loan to league 1 for a couple of months get a few goals and a bit of confidence.

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Totally agree Grella in and Paynter on loan

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Grella is a class player SG is so stupid for not seeing this

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Id rather get rid of him, ill pay his taxi fare back to swindon

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07 Aug 2011 18:45:50
Is Bates bothered about buying players ? he isnt he has no passion for the club doesnt matter weither we are in championship or 1st division WE will still go and fill the ground or get crowds of 28,000 so we can line the old b**tards pocket ... for god sake someone buy us ...and Grayson stand up to the old c**t and get some decent players not freebies stop sticking by old donkeys and that thick hillbilly paynter hes s**t ....

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Another stupid post

it's SG thats the problem not bates SG hides behind bates because he is a terrible manager/coach

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07 Aug 2011 18:06:49
If as many people would have, Grayson moves on who is going to come in under the constraints that Bates and his board are putting on our spending on players, anyone out there have any suggestions?. Maybe Bob the builder would be ideal for Bates because he could build the ground up as well as try to run the team. But seriously who is going to want the job the way it stands. Let's all give bates £50 each and tell him to sod off and enjoy his retirement.

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Rumour is 'and its strong' is Larry has until Aug 27th if Leeds in bottom four he will be replaced with either Zola or Vialli - both apparently still have links with Bates -
We just cant get the Chelsea out of Leeds

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07 Aug 2011 18:05:46
With that awful opening day performance, I can only hope (desperately) that we get in a combative CM and maybe a new CB/LB.

Leeds were truly appalling, there was no physical presence in the midfield and we were being overrun all the time. They closed down really well and some of our players were trying to be too clever on the ball in our own half. The quality of passing and spatial awareness demonstrated by leeds was more like what is on display at the nearest school playground.

Clayton for all of his nice touches and being light on his feet does not appear to have the body mass or strength to compete with opposition players.

O'Dea looked so uncertain on the ball it was untrue, and i've never been convinced of Connelly when he is playing.

Paddy was very vocal which was good, but at times both he and Andy O'Brien seemed to be holding each others hands as if to say they were not certain of each others ability which then led to Saints scoring as we just backed off or lost our markers.

Leeds came into the game in about the 82nd-83rd minute at the earliest and stated passing better (but it wasn't that difficult). I can only hope that this opening day shambles is just the 'getting to know each other and how they play phase' otherwise we are totally screwed.

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We've played one game.

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We have also played 2 full seasons under SG and pre season. SG is terrible thats it simple

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07 Aug 2011 18:43:51
Calling all you die hard leeds fans,let's make a stand against boro surely we've had enough of this chairman let's get BATES OUT now.WE ALL LOVE LEEDS WE ALL HATE BATES WE ALL LOVE LEEDS WE ALL HATE BATES.

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Sorry to upset you but die-hard leeds fans will get behind the team and give them their support. person heads will start protests/bates out cries/sack the manager and the rest.

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Die hard leeds fans will always get behind the team do you think i will say on match day SG out no but the truth is SG should be sacked no debate i'm very sad as he's a nice guy but not a good manager leeds have 46 league games why wait till crimbo sack him now then the DIE HARD FANS can get behind hopefully a more skilled coach

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07 Aug 2011 13:28:06
Just watching the West ham game. Our website says that we will wear the new away kit first at our away game to them but surely would clash with there goalkeeper jersey any thoughts ed? {Ed003's Note - Not heard anything about it mate,ask your opponents to play in skins shouldnt be any problems then}

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They have 3 gk shirts only 1 on gen sale though, black kit and GK shirt is least of our problems

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07 Aug 2011 17:20:30
Cheer up guys I know we were p*ss poor and our squad is so thin in quality that the star players have lost heart to fight but........ we are only one place behind the Hammers who most people predict will win the league

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We will be 1 place behind end of season under sg dead last

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'We will be 1 place behind end of season under sg dead last' ---------- get a grip you moron

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07 Aug 2011 17:04:45
I just wonder why there has been no faith in Mike Grella what so ever, he clearly showed some quality touches in League 1 and he may well not be good enough for championship but I still say you have to give a guy a chance, he can't be as bad as Paynter lol

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Grella would have buried the chance that fell to Paynter. He must have done something to upset Grayson cos he doesn't seem to want to give him a chance.

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I agree paynter has had soooo many chances grella in ffs he has pace, nice touch and can hit the f***ing target

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People say KB is stubborn its SG that is he is a fool give up the players you have brought to this club are crap and you have let quality leave sg is a muppet

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To the first poster even Ken Bates would have buried Billy Paynters chance

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07 Aug 2011 16:53:46
I'm not going to moan about our defending on saturday, we all know its something that needs sorting asap so i am gonna try to find something positive to say from the game lol in my opinion i do think clayton-howson partnership in midfield has great potential, with clayton's touches and passing and Johnny's runs forward, good to see paddy back too, once he gets his sharpness back we will see the true paddy, just need to teach brown how to tackle now lol

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Problem with that is SG cant coach so he won't be able to teach OAP rugby playing brown anything, brwon should be on martin johnson plain for the rugby world cup

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07 Aug 2011 16:50:23
After the debacle at Southampton and the team in complete disarray both in quality and discipline what self respecting quality player would
want to come to come to Leeds.
With Bates and Grayson in charge - Bates wont pay the going and Grayson renowned for his stubborn favouritism why would you risk it? You could go to any of a dozen championship clubs and do better allround. At the moment all that Leeds have to offer is the Ground,training facilities and
last but certainly not least the fans. Probably not enough at the moment. We need some inspiration but I dont know where its going to comr from. Till then freebies, loanees and has beens.

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Those amazing fans who go berzerk after just one bad result.

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Lets face it, this reaction isn't after just 1 game is it he's had nearl 3 years, and we are still debating the same crap, sg can't coach, he's useless in the transfer market, and even worse with the media. he give no inspiriation he's a piss poor manager and he needs to go

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07 Aug 2011 16:23:43
You guys might not agree. yes our defence was rubbish again but don't u all think we should be looking at the coaches not just players and managers and chairman As it is the defensive coach what needs the sack.

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SG needs the sack he just got out of lg1 with the best squad of players and last seasons final run in was carp, he has terrible record in transfer market and he cant sort out the defence sg needs to go

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07 Aug 2011 16:22:23
Watched that game yesterday and southampton were head and shoulders above us. Bates needs to spend some cash and one for starters would be to bring smithy back so we have a leader. Bates is going to ruin us if the old B*****d doesnt either spend cash or get out and sit in his greenhouse with his pipe and slippers.

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If thats the best suggestion youve got,to bring Smith back,you want to get out more,another has been is all we need,get a grip.

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07 Aug 2011 16:17:15
Dose anyone why brown Whent straight down the tunnel when he got subbed yesterday

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Because he had fight with paddy and grayson at half time really good team spirit with our vice captain fighting with the manager ha what a joke sg is making leeds utd

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07 Aug 2011 16:00:08
I was at the leeds game yesturday and im sorry if you dont agree but clayton and obrian were not good enough especially obrian, paddy was amazing and showed great passion but he is the only defender i am confident in, the others look league 1 quality, odea isnt the best and was disappointing, Upfront needs work and howson should be playing centre mid we missed his dominence as he was played off of Mcormack. Paynter is the biggest disappointment as his consistent poor performences are not what we need, Nunez looked the best firepower upfront we had

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You mug, clayton was one of the better players tackeld and pass well, most the rest were poor apart from the odd moment of brightness.

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What game did you go to see Clayton was the only real plus from the game, some quality touches and fine passes, he is certainly going to play a part this season some decent saves from Lonergan too, only positives i can find from the game

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Possibly the worst match report i have ever seen u absolute person First, clayton was by the far the best leeds player yesterday and the only player except for lonergan who could take any credit from the game. And second, the role howson was used in is by far his best position and was the role he impressed in most of last season. He is nowhere near as good in the middle of a 4 man midfield.

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07 Aug 2011 15:46:50
Bates dose not want Leeds to go up this year either as he will have to pay 60pence in pound and millions towards are tax bill after this season we can go up and pay nothing as are 5year deal will be up at the end of season.

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The CVA is act a 10 year agreament not 5 only way bates could buy the club back. this has proved massive issue with interested buyers of leeds with bates aslo holding ER and TA seperate from the club

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07 Aug 2011 13:53:53
Am watching the Hammers Baardiff game and neither side look terribly frightening. I think it's easy to get carried away by the early games. Grayson made out clear in his post match interview that he wasn't happy and that the team didn't play as they were told. Half a dozen games in is when to judge how good or bad we are.

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Grayson has a Pre-written post match speech as he says the same thing after virtually every game second half of last season and nothing has changed here. It's becoming boring now....

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Why didn't team play way it was told? maybe they don't respect grayson

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07 Aug 2011 12:47:12
DENNIS GROTE

The 3rd of the trialists from the Farsley game.

24 year old left midfielder, German.

Has represented Germany at U-21 level and made over 80 appearances for Bochum in the Bundesliga and (mainly)German division 2. Also made 40 appearances for Bochum reserves. More recently he signed for German division 3 side Rot-Weiss where he made 13 appearances this year.

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Thanks for info mate - but we have wiki too - the lad to grab is the big lad LUZ and Grotty - who made 2 of the goals - and they played together afore

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Probably the best of the three but is he CCC quality

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Coca cola aren't sponsors of the Championship anymore. sorry to be pedantic.

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Whats point in sg having trialist as if they are any good sg will simply loan them out 1st to get used to english football he's stupid did beccio need loaning out to learn english game no look at nunez sg is crap mendy should be signed grote shouldbe signed will it happen doubt it under sg

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Sg has never believed in trialist he would rather pay fro crap journey men

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07 Aug 2011 14:00:24
Approx 4 weeks ago I posted that under the regime of bates we will do well to reach half way in this years league. It is by far a much stronger division than last year and the reluctance to spend money on any players is bewildering. Why do we insist on loans and freebies. We generate more income than most in this division yet do not invest in the team. The only player with any credit to his name yesterday was clayton. Robert Snodgrass had a good couple of months last season but is highly overated. He lacks genuine pace and yesterday his body language was awful, he wasn't interested. Not sure where we go from here but to have no desire, no quality, no pace we may even struggle to stay up.

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Have to agree with all of this post if Snodgrass was fit yesterday we should take the money and run, Mendy could have done a better job and I don't think he is good enough for CCC

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It's SG who won't spend money bates has given him a budget and any sales add to it, SG is a man without a plan he would rather rely on loans than buy SG hasn't learnt any lessons from years gone buy and he has terrible record with loan player market

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07 Aug 2011 13:54:07
Leeds against Southampton was poor, this is what happens when you don't spend cash, in my opinion our team last season was better than this season.

Sort it out

MOT

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07 Aug 2011 12:38:02
IBRAHIM MAAROUFI

22 year old midfielder from Morrocco.

Touted as an ex Inter Milan player. His first team career there consists of 8 minutes as a substitute in 2006.

Since then he has been at 6 different clubs in Italy, Holland, Morrocco, Switzerland and Belgium but has made a total of only 3 more first team appearances in his whole career: 2 in Morcocco and one as a substitute in Belgium last year.

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Total waste of time no matter how low he will go on wages. Pay peanuts get monkeys

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07 Aug 2011 12:31:23
FELIX LUZ

Striker. 29 years old.

Spent most of his career in the second division or regional leagues in Germany.

Goal scoring record equates to one goal every six games.

He has been described as being ex-Stuttgart but that was a number of years ago and it was only Stutgart II the reserve team who play in German League 3.

Has only made 16 appearances over the last three years due to persistent injury problems.

Scored a hat trick against Farsley yesterday.

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Felix da Cat has been out for a total of 26 months with persistent knee problems in the last 4yrs

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Just what we need an injury prone striker to back up Bechio and Somma who both have serious injuries. Again not good enough

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07 Aug 2011 12:20:03
SCORE PREDICTIONS FOR BRADFORD ON TUESDAY

CLICK AGREE FOR LEEDS WIN & THE OTHER FOR BRADFORD

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07 Aug 2011 12:08:44
I heard a rumour that after the game Billy Paynter decided to grab his banjo and take his frustration out on a field full of cows...thankfully no cows were injured in the incident

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He would have even missed the cows with a banjo

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I think thats what the poster was implying lol

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I wish somebody would take this banjo and repeatedly whack him over the head with it, might knock some sense into the fat s**t

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07 Aug 2011 11:55:33
This is only the first game and we are playing what is effectively a new back four with a new keeper behind them. O'Brien was shocking and looked unfit but I agree that Kisnorbo and Clayton did well.

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07 Aug 2011 11:43:51
I see we have the same problems as last year, and the manager is using the same excuses. This just goes to show that neither the team or the management are learning, I don't mind losing a game if we go down with some fight, but we just seam to roll over.
MOT

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07 Aug 2011 11:39:54
Fella's,
Yesterday was hard to watch for most, a form of football better played by a sunday league team I was absolutely gutted, but lets seriously look at whats going wrong here.
First, Bates, Priorities are wrong, you improve your fixed assets such as your stadium when you are in the highest league you can be in and stable in that league, we are not yet at that stage.
Second, Grayson needed to sign his players sooner, this may also be to do with Bates, but the truth his that was Lonergans second game with his back four and O'Dea's First, they clearly have not gelled
Third, RB, a few days ago someone said Connally was good, lie, he get caught out of position, he can't attack, and mostly looks like a rabbit in head lights and just lumps ball forward, not good enough at this level Bring back Eric, or dare I say it, Fraser
Forth, CB, O'Dea is more accomplished at CB, let him challenge there, he will remove O'B in no time, unfortunately I do think bout our current CB are just tipping over the edge, If we let O'Dea get settled there, by Christmas Lees should be able to come in having then the right mix of youth and experience.
Fith, LB, Massive problem here, we can have a slower LB, he just needs to know how to tackle, I would look at giving, Bromby ago here, or look for a perm loan.
Sixth, CM, we have plenty of competition here and if we do sign more some may need selling is the truth, brown should be a sun, he's the type we bring on for 30 min at end to protect a lead, 4-1 springs to mind The pair should be Clayton (Defencive and good vision when aloud to pass like he can, seen more towards end of game last night, allows Howson to attach) and Howson(don't need to say too much, passionate, eye for goal, compliments Clayton).
Seventh, ST, We need a big and powerful striker and believe it or not Paytner is that player, these strikers traditionally only score 10/15 goals a year, he needs confidence that is all, we are spoilt in the fact that Becchio can score 20 doing same role Off him is easy, McCormack or Nunez, both can run at players and excite but neither can play the loan role But I do believe we need cover there as we are looking very light

That concludes it, but also remember we started slow last year, and look what happened, this could be the wake up call for bates also. Southampton were just promoted, buoyant and had a lot to play for, we needed a kick unfortunately thats how it happened But the most important thing is, like the Fans that followed the boys down there last night, we keep our HEADS UP, and we keep SINGING, because WE ARE LEEDS, and we ALWAYS WILL BE

Mark

MOT

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I agree with you on the whole butplaying Bromby, a right footed centre back at LB is a recipe for disaster. We need to sign a dedicated Left Back not play players out of position.

Also we ony have 4 CM (Brown,Clayton,Howson,Nunez) and the latter 2 of those are attack minded. SG seems intent on playing with 3 in the middle. We seriously need at least 1 extra CM as cover for Brown/Clayton

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07 Aug 2011 11:37:16
I'm no football manager, but i can easily sort the problems at Elland Road.

1) Striker - Robert Hulse -gifted and low down pecking order 6 month loan deal or Roman Bednar on loan with view to permanent deal (makes him work harder)

2) Midfield - Lewis McGugan -permanent

3) Defense - Matthew Upson - permanent ( clauses/ lump sums to make up for wages if promoted)

4) New coaching staff (proper ones) - I'd ask O'Leary (he lives in Harrogate) to sort out the defense as if you remember he had the same problem and he said he was going to coach them one on one and we kept a clean sheet for a fair few weeks and looked very solid. New goalkeeping coach perhaps Nigel Martyn from Bradford city and someone like Vinny Jones to coach the midfield as he had the right attitude both on and off pitch.

5) nuts to wage cap as long as you stick in the budget who gives a fig how much you pay each one and I'm pretty sure an England International such as Upson would not cause a rift as he is far more quality than any of them laurel and hardy's we have now. {Ed001's Note - would Bates pay the money or their wages? Clearly not. Why Upson anyway? He has the turning circle of a cross channel ferry, just about as much ability as well, truly awful player.}

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I agree on point 4 (though not neccesarily the suggested coaches)

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07 Aug 2011 11:19:42
What a load of s**t on saturday Gradel and brown were the worst players on the pitch by far Gradel is so over rated there is no way he is premier league quality and the only reason he got 18 goals last season is because he never passed or crossed the ballBut we still sub snodgrass before him for some reason Clayton really impressed me though Come on Grayson sort it out

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Did you even watch the game - how can you say Snod was better than Gradel?

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At least Gradel looked interested. Snodgrass was poor and looked like he wanted to be somewhere else. He should go if thats what he wants. Problem is Bates doesn't want to spend the earnings on players.

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Gradel played with his heart, may be not his head some of the time, but snodgrass was a total disgrace, he is not fit to grace our reserve team on that performance, he wants to go let him after all what was he b4 us, another nothing Jock, playing football in the sticks.

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Gradel worse than O'Brien, Connolly, Paynter...Really??

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07 Aug 2011 10:47:03
the poor fans suffer again the 3000 who went should get there well hard earned money back for that piss poor showing. bates get some money spent on the team and quick dont really blame grayson he cant spend money he has,nt got.maybe cash in on snoddgrass poor yesterday looked good againt newcastle maybe trying to impress, shop window and all that back 4 pants need becchio back asap and another forward. i,d play tom lees and adiy white

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07 Aug 2011 10:37:53
f***ing hell guys I was one who was positive for this season. I still do think we have a good squad plus still a month to strengthen. Norwich lost 6-1 on the first game of the season last year and look where they finished. Southampton away was always going to be difficult. Get bloody behind them everybody MOT

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They sacked their manager after that game and got paul lambert in.

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No they didn't. They lost 3-2 to Watford.

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No they did,nt they lost 4.2 to watford

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The season before they lost 7-1 to local rivals Colchester. Shortly after they sacked Bryn Gunn as manager and bought in Paul Lambert having nicked him from their opening day tormentors. However their squad in League One that season was better than ours now and this is CCC

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07 Aug 2011 10:12:41
I want to applaud the fans who went to St Marys for trying to be the 12th man and cheer and sing through that disgrace - it's a pity the 11 on the pitch didn't show the same passion and commitment - I know some will say it's only the first game and there's a long way to go but if the players can't get fired up for the start of a new season when can they- I agree snodgrass didn't look like he wanted to be there and the defence was worse than last season - something needs to change quick

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07 Aug 2011 10:04:22
Come on with all the excuses. Worst I have seen Leeds play since the hammering at cardiff. I don't understand how we knew how bad our defence was last year but still no real changes. Very weak....... Our attack looked rubbish. No movement at all. I don't understand why McCormack was upfront. Should of put him on the left and gradel up top. When we knew things wasn't working out we decide to put paynter ( donkey)on instead if Nunez upfront. Makes me so angry. Sometimes I don't think Grayson installs enough fight in the team. Tactics completely wrong. Snodgrass was great two yes ago but doesn't seem interested. Think we need to teach him how to counter attack.... So slow. The team needs a big rebuff and this should of been done before the season started. Will Leeds ever learn from mistakes or will we let them continue till it's too late. What do you think everyone and ed.

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As long as Bates and Grayson are in charge,well be treading water,its all very well saying Graysons hands are tied,but look at the players hes been bringing in,both last year and this,painfully short on quality,we are now way behind the top teams in this division,there IS talent available but dont thinl Graysons got an eye for it,the vast majority of his signings have proved not up to the job,and Paynter lacks talent,not confidence,we look a very poor side at this minute,we need replacement strikers quickly,and as last year our defence will get rolled over most weeks,its a classic case of lions led by donkeys,i.e.lions the fans,donkeys Bates and co.

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Gradel and any height restricted players dont work up front. We haven't the skills to play it through defences and with noone to hold up the ball we lack possession and aerial threat. Easy to spot why doesn't Grayson?

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If we were going to pass it through the middle we should have made an effort to keep Kilkenny.

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Been as Graysons hands are tied I dont think we can blame him for bringing in the likes of Paynter, Mcormack, Bessone, Bruce & Connolly. OK its disgraceful that players like these should be playing for us but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. He probably can see lots of good players but none will sign for us as we wont pay them reasonable money and show no ambition. No self respecting player with any talent would even consider coming to Leeds under Bates.

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Paynter was Larrys first choice and would have been prepared to spend money on him. SG also described Bessone as 'a very good a acquisition'. They are definately SGs fault, he chose to sign them because he thought they were good enough

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07 Aug 2011 10:00:55
All that is needed is a decent CB,a box to box midfielder,and a decent striker while Becchio is out,not easy to come by now the season has started.In the meantime O'brien out Bromby in,No Gradel or Snodgrass for the Bradford game,maybe replaced with Nunez and Sam,if you look at the squad it's that thin in-depth options are limited.it's got to be down to our poor effort in the transfer Market .

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Shows how low we are that Bromby is even being considered. He couldn't even hold down a place when we were in League One.

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07 Aug 2011 09:54:20
So we were crap today. We will get better. SG is still the man to do it. We do need a striker though. Someone like Hulse to hold ball up.. Someone needs to give snoddy a kick up the arse or he needs dropping from the team..

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07 Aug 2011 09:42:43
SG must be pretty close to telling the old coffin dodger where he can stick the job. It must be really frustrating to be working for a guy who quite frankly couldn't give a rats @rse about what happens at the club. The defence is more shakey than Muhammad Ali. Brown thinks his job is to kick anybody within kicking distance (the ref included) and our back up strikers consist of a Scottish midget and Paynter who couldn't score in a Bangkok gogo bar with 10 grand.
Meanwhile old man Bates sits @ Monaco planning how to redevelop Elland Road so that he can sell it later - even though we don't own it right now and puts nothing into the kitty for SG to get a quality defence. I love Leeds but if I was SG i would explain everything to the fans & walk & hope to come back when there's a proper chairman in charge.

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07 Aug 2011 09:31:58
ShamblesWe need to investo'brien s**te

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07 Aug 2011 09:08:54
Last nights game just highlights just how weak our squad is. Keeper no better than last yr, defence still leaking goals needs desperately strengthening. Midfield needs organising and we need to get rid of paynter. We are worse and better than last year. Tactically SG got it so wrong. Ed your thoughts {Ed001's Note - I just think it is too early to judge after one competitive game. Yes the squad is clearly lacking in some areas, but the window doesn't close until the end of the month.}

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07 Aug 2011 08:12:15
Seriously missed Bradley Johnson last night

Defence shocking,why hasnt this been sorted out

Already conceded 3 goals,are we going to try and beat last years total

Thought Lonergan was supposed to be a very good keeper,not very commanding

I suppose to get what you pay for

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The market valued Kasper at at least FIVE TIMES the value of Lonergan...

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Sg valued lonergan higher than kasper

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07 Aug 2011 08:08:33
Firstly i would like to congratulate on the Southamptons victory,they battered us and deserved to win

Grayson stated on Sky Sports News the other day,he was happy with his squad
Are you sure mate ?

We conceded 3 goals last night,same old story,we can not defend,why wasnt this been addressed in the summer

Obrien was easily our worst player,and we had alot of very poor performances
The new keeper looked nervous and not commanding

One question for MR BATES
How much money has Grayson got to spend on new players ?

We need investment Mr Bates the team aint good enough mate

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07 Aug 2011 07:43:42
dont blame SG
bates OUT NOW before we go down
£7.000.000 spent on new stand for know one to sit inn

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I agree its not grayson its bates
get some money spent on the team

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What game were you watching pal? tactics were wrong and team not motivated. bates and grayson out

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Ipswich Derby Leicester all invested heavily in players during close season. All won yesterday. Do the maths Ken

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Spot on

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07 Aug 2011 07:40:21
Second Bottom, we best get used to it, thanks Bates

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07 Aug 2011 07:27:38
Billy Couldn't Hit A Barn Door Paynter, come on guys has some good points, least he can pass, he passed it right to the hands of the saints keeper.

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Look at his career stats.

He gets a goal about every 4.5 games. That means if he plays every single game he'd get about 11 goals a season.

In his career he's had one good season. Take that out and he gets a goal every 6 games: a 7/8 goals a season striker if he plays in every single game.

And most of these games have been in League One.

Look at his Championship career and he has 10 goals in 80 appearances. Repeat that this year and if he plays in every single game he'll have got 5 goals.

He's always been a joke of a signing but one that symbolises the extent of Bates's ambition for the football team.

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While I agree cuddly ken needs to blow the dust from his wallet, its unfair to blame him for signing Paynter as he was Graysons first choice as Beckfords replacement.

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07 Aug 2011 07:22:19
Any body else think the club should come out and officially with a apologie to the fans, we do not deserve this.

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07 Aug 2011 06:23:13
I see no one has posted owt about last nites game. So I'll be the first Odea=shocking, mcormack=shocking,conolley=shocking, obrien=shocking. Kisnorbo=shocking. I thought our best player was clayton. We was all over the place n didn't look like we knew what we was doing. Last nite showed how much we are guna miss johnson.bates needs to bring sum new signings sharpish. Lacy leeds

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They have and your not the first Come on catch up Your about as slow a snodgrass was

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You fool clearly watching the wrong game, howson our best player, kisnorbo played great and so did clayton, mc cormack didn't get the ball to play with and o'brien and Connolly was s**t

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This game just showed what a lot of us have been saying for some time. We have got a lot of young talent that have come through the academy but the manager seems fixated on bringing loan players in. O'Dea was absolutely awful, yet Aidy White was in Farsley and Ben Parker- twice the player O'Dea will ever be. Alex Bruce left out in favour of Donkey O'Brian. The first offer that comes in for Snoddy-snap their hands off and play someone who is interested- Lloyd Sam, for example. Yes, we do need a couple of new players but look at what we have already got before buying new or even worse, getting loanees in.

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Id rather see Tom Lees given a chance rather than Bruce. I was at the Farsley game and he didn't even look comfortable at that level. Aidy White deserves a run at LB

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07 Aug 2011 04:51:00
NO OTHER COMMENT BUT BATES & SG OUT NOW {Ed025's Note - its not grayson,s fault, he is a good young manager!...give him time...and money..

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ED - SG could do with growing a pair, and telling the Chelsea Pensioner Finacially Back Me or I am off

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I don't blame Larry at all.

OK I do wish he'd grow a pair and publicly say he needs backing instead of frequently contradicting himself with his excuses but I still think he's a good young manager.

I suppose Bates just relies on this being his 'dream job' so he wont risk it. Probably the same reason why he has targeted a lot of Leeds fans as players in the hope that they'll accept really low wages.

With a few half decent players instead of the freebies that nobody else wanted he'd do well.

But with no money for signings, no money for competitive wages and a chairman who alienates agents, prospective players and publicly criticises his own players he hasn't really got a chance.

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Ed, you are talking rubbish again, SG has had ages to sort out the defence but he hasn't thats because he has no idea, Bates should get rid now {Ed001's Note - I think you are being unfair and expecting Grayson to work miracles on the money Bates has allowed him to spend. Clearly there is a pot of money there, but Bates would rather spend it on something the club doesn't even own. Sooner you realise that Bates is the problem, the better off everyone will be. Grayson might not be the answer, but right now he is operating with both hands tied behind his back, he has no chance.}

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Totally disagree ed he is shocking manager. clueless he is

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Agree, he could also stop saying he doesn't care that the fans are disappointed about summer recruits

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07 Aug 2011 01:52:52
andy o brien and billy paynter to leave leeds as i will be driving them as far away as LUFC as possible to somewhere that they can be shocking and not have us to suffer because of their overall poor perfomances

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Take em to millwall - we might get a win at the new den then this season

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You can borrow my car if you like?

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06 Aug 2011 23:57:01
I was gettin pissed off with the negative comments on this site & was full of optimism before today's game but goin on that performance it's gonna be a long season

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These defenders like connolly and o'brien were free for a reason And wtf kinda tactics r we playing....sick of long ball sht to the 5ft mccormack. The players and coaching staff shud be ashamed. Grayson wants top 6 after spending 100k....dream on. Its pathetic I will always love leeds but i feel the sympothy of other fans who hate the way we play. League 1 players mixed with past it players. The trialists will be sht 2 if anything like our other freebies. Play a young proud cm instead of that ]brown 2

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Wake up and smell the coffee

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We had one of the worst defences in the league lasy year and have signed no defenders. Oh sorry a Celtic boy not deemed good enough. Not only that - we got rid of 2 more than capable central midfielders we didnt want to put them on a reasonable salary and we have an aging thug (Brown) who is crap and a young kid. The strike force of Becchio and Somma are both injured so did we get any new strikers in to replace them? Nope. We still try Billy (couldn't hit a barn door) Painter. How are we supposed to progress and build on last season when Papa Smurf won't invest in players. Leeds United are fast becoming a joke. We will drive out one of the best young manager's in the game due to the fact that he has no money to spend on players and had to make do with free transfers and anyone who will accept small wages. Most Championship teams pay much higher wages than us and actually buy players fullstop. Until we have owners who are prepared to invest (intelligently) in the club and players then we will be fighting relegation

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Be pissed off, we don't care if you can pull any posatives from that and still think we will be PL next season, you're mad

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Was anyone really that surprised?

I predicted 3-0 so we did better than I'd expected.

Lonergan was valued at less than a fifth of what Kasper was for a reason. O'Dea was not wanted by Celtic and not picked up by anyone else for a reason (and he isn't even a specialist left back FFS). Brown missed half of last season and was playing in a mid table side for a reason.

We're not becoming a joke we already are one and the biggest joke of all are the fans that just lap it all up and pretend everything is fine. Bates was our saviour...we've got a great squad...premier league here we come...

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We weren't posting negative comments we were being realistic

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06 Aug 2011 23:35:17
Trouble at Leeds. At halftime there was a huge bust up in the dressing room, grayson furious with brown for his temperament in the first half, n after a firing down of the whole team, brown told grayson to f off, kisnorbo went for him and the whole team went head to head trying to pull everyone apart, grayson didn't get chance to give team talk, if u look back on sky sports u will see grayson for the first time in his career at Leeds sat on the bench waiting for the second half with his lip quivering. The anger and frustration was evident. This worsened when he took brown off in the second half after failing to follow graysons orders.brown went straight down the tunnel n grayson looked gutted. Worst possible start for Leeds

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I was thinking that never have i seen grayson sat on the bench Hes always stoodup

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So how do you know this ? Rubbish.

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U talk crap

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06 Aug 2011 23:20:18
Even though Paynter is terrible, we cannot play that formation with McCormack up top, unless we play football. I'd start Paynter against Bradford, see how he rolls because even though he's poor, atleast he can challenge in the air and we can pick up a few scraps

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No we buy, no loans no frees we by descent players. Paynters crap terminate his contract ASAP, ps take the jock midget with him. Sell snodgrass (the w**ker). Get rid Brown, soft, slow untalented, O'brian retire pls

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I don't think it's likely but I'd like to see Grella start against Bradford

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Only scraps he picks is when he decides to slap a 'gipton kiss' on the opposition

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06 Aug 2011 22:57:05
I hate to say this, but i think there are a number of people posting on this site who were hoping that we would lose today so they could lay into the team,manager and chairman again. 1 game into the season and everybody is crap, and the manager and chairman should go Presumably everyone on this site is always perfect in their job and never makes any mistakes?. Why dont the really brilliant critics, concentrate on making a fortune, by the club and put their money where their mouths are

Clearly we would have wanted a better start and the Manager and Chairman will be judged on what the season brings. But come on, lets get behind the players we have and encourage them to perform as a team. Imagine how some of the players must feel reading how s**t they are every day from their own supporters

Come on boys, get your heads up and lets smash bradford in the week. Good luck. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~. Why would we hope for that, a loss and a couple of bad performances can be excused but when it's 95% of the team putting in terrible performances and showing no passion or team work then that's why questions and mass disappointment is shown, not expecting the team to go unbeaten, just want abit more promise from the team especially in the first game of the season, quite worrying really

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I completely disagree No Leeds fan wanted us to lose. Ok we may not have brought Any marquee players in, but we all wanted a flying start. It's evident SG doesn't have the support from the board. All the pessimists on this site have good reason to worry.

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06 Aug 2011 22:47:07
That performance was absolutely shocking, even Clayton who performed the best was below par, most of our players would only be fringe players in other teams, I personally think Kasper is better than lonergan, OB is not up to it now,Parker does better than O'dear and that's bad, brown was the worse by far, that showing was sooo shocking it's untrue I would retire if I was him playing like that at his age I Neva want to see him in a Leeds shirt again but I bet SG playa him every week known he is terrible n past it, Ross and billy are hopeless no effort same as snoddy no passion and does care, made it look like he doesn't want to be at the club,Simon will not sort this with a couple or loan signings for other clubs fringe players, I don't blame Grayson it's the players that hav to do the job, absolute rubbish no passion or pride, if they dont want to play for our club then go and get your fat wage packet which your not worth a penny of after that cr@p,I wish they could read the posts on here n see how we feel,play like that again they should be all sacked and let the youth team play, atleast show more passion for the club

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