Leeds Banter Archive April 08 2014

08 Apr 2014 23:31:39
Have heard far too many excuses for BMD now.

He has had a pretty good choice of players over the past few games and they have mostly played crap apart from last saturday.

Time to leave Brian, or at least realise you are on borrowed time and give Cellino the barest chance of avoiding relegation - because what you are doing is taking us straight down that path!

Are you deliberately trying to get us relegated, because you are making a far better job of that than promotion?

Are the players and manager not trying, well let's see, how many games have they lost recently by big margins, quite a few are they capable of winning, well what about huddesfield at home 5-1 wasnt it, brian wasnt there that day was he, but the team tryed hard and played well, since then players have seemed to have less motivation, and quite frankly less energy, I might go as far as to say they don't seem to care if they win or not, so mayby a bit of motivation is needed, from a different coach for a few games, and mayby a win bonus offered as money seems to motivate this lot, I know what you will say they get too much already but hey if it gets the points we need to stay up I know this these players are not the tops but I also know they can play light years bette han they have been playing, best of luck me cellino my god are you going to need it. leeds united till I die!

I don't think that offering then a bonus to keep us clear of relegation is as bad as u might think, like u say it looks like most can barely motivate themselves to get out of bed never mind play football so it could do a trick as a one off to keep us safe ready for next year. I wonder if they have lost interest too due to what Massimo has said recently (I know the poor form has been longer than that) what I don't get is Ross saying everyone was devastated when Brian got the sack on deadline day well if they think that much of him why aren't they showing any heart to save him

Instead of a bonus why not half every players wages if relegated? They are paid enough, you ONLY get a bonus when you put in the effort.

NO BRAINER

AndyMOT

08 Apr 2014 22:51:24
i have been supporting McD all this while, but its done. it ain't like he has had no money to spend, . he has spent it on crap who actually don't deserve to play at leeds. A massive clear out required. I think only byram, mowatt, pearce, smith and Mccormack should be kept, bring in new and young players next season and let's build and really give it a go the season after with a proper "coach" who know how to do his job, Taxi for brian

08 Apr 2014 22:35:20
Leeds have now completed installation of the new training pitches at Thorpe Arch. Maybe we can teach our players how to pass now?

08 Apr 2014 22:24:26
Get Massimo on the touchline until the end of the season.he'll out the fear if god into the useless buggers

08 Apr 2014 22:09:27
Mcdermott time to go. another poor performance tonite. the back line haven't got a clue at all. wot r u doing on the training fround every day clearly not defending tactics. why is mccormack playing out wide when e scored 27 goals from attack. u don't move our lethal weapon to a none creative or goalscoring position.wot we doing going forward. hunt is useless bit u persist with him all the tym.have serious words he doesn't provide a threat at all. where is the width in the side.

Time to go now and dissappear. not happy with ure tactics at all

Lufcfan

Never mind brian his time is up. the players though? what the hell maye just terminate their deals now bar ross pearce and maybe murphy? put brown in the middle and involve the development squad guess they decided they're not going to b here next season so rnt bothered anymore.

I dunno what there playing at if I was a manager looking at these guys I wouldn't touch any of them, they must not be too concerned about their own careers either haha

08 Apr 2014 21:53:42
Anyone out there still think Brian should be here next season? If so WHY? Who cares he's nice and put up with a lot . who cares . MOT

Well said. Gary Mac was nice and played good football, but he was out of his depth and we recognised that. McDermott must go and most of the garbage he brought must do too.

08 Apr 2014 21:45:17
WTF was he just trying to give some of ours a run out? Utter rubbish!?! Gob smacked!

08 Apr 2014 21:25:38
McDermott won't have a job at end of season!

Wish he didn't have one now.

He won't get that far!

Shouldn't have one tomorrow!

He should go imo. Who is he going to buy in the summer? Probably Kebe on a permanent deal and more ex-Reading rubbish. The football is dreadful, the players, bar 4/5, are poor and his results have been shocking in the last 3 months. I'd go after Tim Sherwood as he won't be at Spurs next year and he is interested in playing youth.

The above posters are handgliders! You expect instant results from a very poor squad that BMB largely inherited. He was not able to change the squad very much at Christmas and those that came in soon went back - Wickham, Blackstock etc.
Name the alternative fit players he could have used last night that are better than the squad used?

08 Apr 2014 21:20:13
My god sack this man tonight! Harte of leeds

Please, please get rid of this clown, pathetic signings, have no idea tactics- for Christ sake let's start over. put Naylor in charge for rest of term.

08 Apr 2014 21:08:48
Can anyone name three Leeds players who have had a decent season? Ross and Pearce, yes, but who else? Jesus, no team is going to do any good with only 2 performing players! Kenny and Smith done ok in parts and Murphy could be a good championship player if he gets more consistent but who else. The league was wide open this year for top 6 and I can't work out why the wheels fell off after xmas. BMD, takeover, or the players. Who do we blame? Because us LEEDS fans always need someone to blame! MOT.

This is the worst Leeds team I have ever seen in my life time. Things are at the absolute pits on the pitch. I'm sorry but BMC is also the worst manager I have ever known. Absolutely out of his depth and embarrassing. Will he ever get another job again?
Will everyone thrash us till the end of the season? Unbelievable. Taxi tonite Brian your no longer welcome and I won't pay to watch any more.

Got to be the manager, any other team would have sacked their manager after a dismal run like this.

Matt Smith's done well. 11 goals plus numerous assists, with the majority of his appearances being as a sub with 30 minutes left. Think next season he could get 20 goals.

Cork white
Personally think war icons played well and I'm his worst enemy lol

"This is the worst Leeds team I have ever seen in my life time."

Must admit I have to agree and I've seen some pretty sh*t players at Elland Road over the years!

I can't see any more than three of them in the team next year, and BMD will definitely nor be around.

I am getting fed up with the excuses, the only common denominator is McDermott.

The weekend he was sacked gave us one of our best results of the season?

Coincidence - I don't think so?

CORKWHITE is right, BMB does not have any other good players to choose from. His transfers were so restricted by the camel herders that he has little choice. Give the man some money and a chance to show what he can do

08 Apr 2014 20:39:58
Listening to commentary and these fans the ones who travel game to game you are what makes this club well before we started losing but the fans today Reilly amazing

08 Apr 2014 20:27:49
So what has changed since the take over? How do these players and staff expect us to feel sorry for them about MC said in that interview?
Everything he said was true. These players are overpaid and clearly not good enough.
I am worried that we won't be able to shift them, because no one will want such appalling players!
I was feeling so optimistic after the take over, but I am back to worrying about going down!

At least Hunt is playing, not that he is any good, but at least he is working for his 25k a week.

Come on Massimo, pull the trigger and stop this endless suffering of inexcusable performances!

08 Apr 2014 20:24:55
Surely he's got to go, it's getting ridiculous now, I now just expect us to lose, must be the worst team ever assembled, I honestly could cry and I feel for those who have travelled.

I agree Andy, you literally expect to list and with me (can't afford to go) see the result pop up I don't even care because its become the normal, which sounds awful but it's the way it is this season under McDermott then again the win against millwall didn't even mean anything to me as the seasons dead. Can't wait for next season.

08 Apr 2014 20:06:25
Nothing new on the pitch, lasted 9 mins, halfway through a 4 pack already.

ANDY64 - its the idle gutless players that should go

08 Apr 2014 18:12:23
Ed013, I've seen the reports today that the takeover is complete, however is there anyway the FL can now stop it, and should we be worried about Thursday?

I want to scream and shout about how happy I am but I don't want to get carried away if the FL are going to ruin it for us all. I guess I won't be happy and relaxed about it until I know it's 100% done and dusted.

It also seems that the FL are out to destroy leeds, they approve bates and GFH as owners when they knew what bates was like and didn't know anything about GFH. And then try to block someone decent and passionate in Cellino. It's not fair and as a fan I feel let down by the people who are supposed to make the fair and equal.

Optimistic Danny

{Ed013's Note - He is the official owner now and I wouldn't worry about Thursday, it is just the day when the board have their weekly get together. I think with everything that has come out this week regarding finances and board members being paid a vast amount of money etc, I think their focus will be on giving Leeds a transfer embargo for January due to being over the allowed 8 million of debt. I think the only way they will get Cellino off of the Leeds board is if he is found guilty in court for his tax evasion, even that will be hard to do}

Ed a serious question can't there be some kind of investigation of GFH? How can we be in so much debt in such a short period of time? Now because of them we will face a transfer embargo. They have almost killed this club thank god for MC. MOT

{Ed013's Note - I don't know mate, I would like to think so, but I suppose it would cost a lot more money to take it to court and Cellino will probably take the approach lets move on and the past is the past. I would like something done, it is disgusting that they still have a 25% of the Club through different shares}

Edo13, could the FL now test GFH under their owners test and force them to sell their 25%?

{Ed013's Note - No as its less than 30%}

08 Apr 2014 17:22:48
Takeover complete, cellino gains 75% of Leeds which means he is in the driving seat, David haigh sacked today also

Cellino looking to buy back Elland road and Thorpe arch this week.

LUFC finally looking up!

08 Apr 2014 16:28:41
We are not the only ones maybe these ffp rules are a joke and not realistic.

Nottingham Forest face the prospect of sanction from the Football League after filing £17million losses for the 2012/13 campaign in breach of Financial Fair Play regulations.
New rules come into force from December which limit clubs to maximum £8m losses with greater deficits punished by transfer embargo. Teams failing to meet guidelines who achieve promotion to the Barclays Premier League will be heavily fined.

Let's see what happens

Damo MOT.

While I fully support the principle of Financial Fair Play, I don't think it has been tested in law and I can see it failing under EU legislation. Say we are banned from transfers for failing FFP but said we wanted to sell a player to or, buy another player from, an EU country, then the EU, freedom of movement of labour, would take precedent. If the EU overrules FFP sanctions for Europe then they cannot hope to stand for internal transfers.

Its not a level playing field, teams relegated from premier will have major advantage with their parachute payments.

08 Apr 2014 16:15:17
Read on if you wish but I think everyone needs to understand this.
Loan players are free apart from their future wages which are between the negotiating parties.
Ie the club who owns the contract and the ongoing club.
So say Leeds Utd sign a player on loan firstly they are actually borrowing the player and usually paying a % of his actual wage that's on his original contract.
However there is a fee to be payed to the players agent which can be considerable
I hope Massimo buys well for us and if possible avoids loan players who really have no loyalty.
Jeff

Not true at all a club can pay a loan fee if it is requires

O I m sure you ll keep him right radiojeff, after all, when it came to finding him a home in Leeds he did come to you, right! lol
MOT

08 Apr 2014 15:53:58
Reading some of the information about the accounts and the management of shares/funds, it would appear that GHF sold shares, borrowed money against the club from a subsidiary company, presumably at a good interest rate and then bought them back just before selling to M. Cellino. Doesn't look transparent trading to me, more like 'insider'. On a par with Mr B's alleged business machinations?

A cornish white

08 Apr 2014 14:04:11
The FL need dismantling full stop. Made up of other clubs who have a vested interest in seeing Leeds suffer. It should be made up of independent people. They are a disgrace to let GFH, Bates, Venkys, Birmingham owner etc to all run football clubs. The only people they seem to let have Leeds are the ones that do us harm and as soon as someone comes along with some fianancial clout, they say 'no'. Someone needs to sort them out and their stupid one-sided rules.

Liverlass

08 apr 2014 14:42:26
i am curious as to all the discussions re a director passing the fit and proper persons test.

you don't have to be the major share holder to control a company(football club).

if leeds changed their financial structure towards a more debit geared business, ie cellino becomes a major creditor to leeds thru elanora sport, they then in effect would be able to dictate how the board of directors operates the business.

i am missing something fundamental. if cellino pays of all the debts and becomes our creditor, he would not have to be a director but can still leeds from a back seat.

i need to stress its 20 years since i studied corporate law, so there may have many changes.

Even with a rudimentary knowledge of Company Law you should be aware of the potential consequences of being what is termed a 'shadow' director.

If it is determined that you are acting as a director in respect of the formation, management or promotion of a limited liability company but not registered as such at CH, then the law considers you a shadow director.

This can have some pretty dire consequences since you don't have the legal protection that being a director affords.

It can also be held to be fraudulent, particularly if the shadow director is acting as such to circumvent a disqualification.

That wouldn't apply to Cellino since he's not disqualified as a director under the CDDA but it still might be deemed to be unlawful. I really don't think Cellino would want to go there again, especially under the law in England & Wales which is probably a bit less forgiving than in his native land.

Shadow directors and people with significant influence are considered "directors" aswell its just a title thing.

08 Apr 2014 13:18:07
It's certain we will get some Cagliari players come the summer but but does anyone know if in theory these will be subject to transfer fees? In theory we could get some of their best players (players consenting) at a fraction of their market value
Does this breach any rules?
Ty

We could in theory get them all on free transfers. There is no such thing as market value. Its all relative to what clubs are willing to sell for. Is Gareth Bale worth 90odd million. No! Spurs demand it because they know Real can't afford it. This in turn creates another bench mark in which players are compared thus creating a ficticous market value. Take Ibarbo for example. There was a lot of talk that Barca wanted him. Cagliari quouted 15million. As this was what they deemed a fair price in relation to then making profit and still replacing the sold player. Cellino could make an offer of 1p for Ibarbo and accept it as Cagliari owner. There is nothing against the rules in doing this. The same as watford and udinese did it. Most players were on seasob long loan then become free transfers.

Crmd

The likelyhood is Cellino will have sold Cagliari long before then, so hell have to pay the going rate if he wants any of their players, GFH have left him with a hefty debt, so he needs to get the wage bill down, our manager hasn't helped neither paying Hunt a reported 25,000 a week, top class striker yes, Hunt no, hope he's as loaded as they say, he's going to need it.

08 Apr 2014 12:54:11
i am absolutely appalled to hear of our finances today, 9 million loss in less than a year are you kidding me get this GFH out of our club these clowns and other director been swindling the books £400,000 a year bonus you got to be having a laugh on top of a £250,000 salary WTF! get cellino in fast FL because I thought these snakes got the fit and proper test too did they not?
and they have the cheek to turn down a billionaire potential buyer over some sad dodgy tax over a stupid boat!
cellino the don calls haigh a snake now I see why my friend please with the help of god and the FL we get the result were all expecting and cellino get to take over the sooner these are out of our club the better!
Cellino IN! MOT
i thought a bonus was given when your in profit? BANKERS OUT!
would say a lot more but be to much editing needed!

Just read all the articles on news now. Its sick making. GFH have raped and pillaged Leeds, leaving a huge black hole. These jokers and chancers need to be shown the back door fast. How could the FL allow this!? Fit and Proper my arse

How about the front door on matchday!?just sayin :-p

Im mean even bates now must be saying to himself "jesus lads I told how to pocket a few extra bucks here and there but my god"
GFH make bates look like an angel ffs as to robbing the leeds fans themselves! GFH have a lot to answer for sick puppies can't wait for Cellino to kick em all out on their A&$E!

08 Apr 2014 12:18:46
Tom Lees has never done it for Leeds you look at history Leeds has conceded loads of goals since Tom Lees was first put into the squad don't believe me check the tables pre and post Tom Lees his the one what's the problem but no one has realised it yet

Your not the only one to notice Lees inability to defend. He constantly gets bullied by opposition strikers, backs off when à player runs at him, panics with the ball at his feet forcing him to lump it forward. In the second half against charlton he was sheparding the ball out for a goal kick and stepped aside to let the striker collect the ball and cross. An absolute liability

08 Apr 2014 12:01:24
Really don't like boycotts only Geoffrey.
However if Leeds Utd fans were to miss visiting the grounds of the FL chairmen who failed Massimo then that would be justice.
It would hurt the Chairmen in their pockets and at the same time send out a signal to all the others to play fair in the future.
Jeff

No Jeff, that's counter productive and spitting the dummy. Like I said previously, the only way is to cheer our club to the premiership and deprive the FL of their biggest asset

As I said I don't like boycotts so I actually agree with you however these people need to be taught a Leeds lesson and the only way is through their pockets.
It's only a few clubs so the others would be there for us.
Jeff

08 Apr 2014 09:19:00
Leeds fans should now boycott away games, show the league what we think to thier petty attitude, mot

Leeds fans should still turn up to away games if they can afford to. We still need points to be safe, we won't get those unless the players have support.

Great idea, don't bother getting behind our boys and we'll never start winning again!

Er, bite our nose off to spite our face?! The best way to stick it up the FL is to cheer our team back to the prem and deprive them of their largest asset

08 Apr 2014 00:11:44
Can't understand people now wanting to give BMD a chance with MC's cash. The man has been proved incompetent and a complete tosser, what on earth do we want him to continue for, get him out of the club and take Hunt, Keby and Stuart with him. Worst ever LUFC manager go now.

I totally agree, people are now saying how he hasn't had a fair chance because the players wasn't getting paid etc, all we know is they did not get paid properly twice? So that is no excuse for the downfall since Xmas, dan

I don't think it will matter if Bmd is the manager or not. Cellino has already hinted at the way he wants to run things. Which is, him making the signings and BmD (manager) doing the coaching.

So BmD won't get to make any more dodgy signings. Then if BmD can't make the team tick he then boots him out at the end of next season and gets in a manager who knows how to get his players playing good football and winning games.

Cellino saves on a bumper pay off and still gets in the team he wants. All he has then to do is get the right man in. For Cellino its a win win.

Agreed entirely. Massimo will introduce new talent at home and introduce a few chosen Italians who perform on modest wages to get the style and effort started. Wont accept poor performance and high wages. BMD will get chance to work on this but I don't think he will produce and may use this lack of management excuse to walk. I'm happy with that and acceptable to me

Don't forget, Brian McD has got a great track record in the Championship (apart from the last 6 months which have been 'a bit unusual' to say the least). There is NO guarantee that a new manager will do any better! Don't get me wrong, I am yet to be convinced by McD, some of his signings have been awful, but we shouldn't ingnore the fact that he has done a really good job before in this league.

Warnock did a really good job at other clubs as well, even more so, what does other clubs have to do with Macs poor signings, tactics etc, Cellino will be picking and buying the players in future, another couple of poor results and he's gone, no excuses now, unbeaten for the rest of the season and he may have a chance, can't see it though.