Leeds Banter Archive September 09 2012

 

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09 Sep 2012 19:21:40
the people who are saying boycott are a disgrace to our fanbase, will the lot of you just grow up, what will it achieve, let me think.....oh yeah thats right, NOTHING!!!!!!

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If the crowds drop much further then Bates will have to sell. That's what it will achieve. And whilst I'm not boycotting the games I know some very grown up, very clever people who are and who have been going since the 70s. What makes you think you have all the answers? I try not to insult people on here but I must say you sound pretty arrogant to me.

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To the original poster. It's people like you that have sat back and are happy to watch the club be robbed. Your that arrogant i wouldn't be surprised if you had a seat in the esecutive boxes. Which is were most of season tickets have gone.
BATES OUT!!
RMOTLIFE

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No he won't he will just cut back on the academy, sell first team key players and not re-invest any of that money in the team. That's the way football/business works, people need to realise that when a businesses income falls/reduces in any way shape or form they make cut backs. So rather than hitting bates in the "pocket" as so many people believe you are doing nothing of the sort. Bates will always make money regardless of what the fans do or don't. It's a simple as that, he doesn't need us.

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Im a 20 Y/O student, i highly doubt i have an executive box, ive always said boycotting wont do a thing, its stupid, a minority of fans not going to a match wont really hurt Bates in the slightest, it would just give him something to laugh at

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Never seen bates smile let alone laugh

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People boycotting are not stupid they just have a different opinion to you, and least they are doing somthing about bates rather than just coming on here and slagging people off.

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09 Sep 2012 19:03:04
I've said this as a response to another post, but it is more likely people will read it if I post again as a standalone.

Everyone who thinks boycotting matches will hurt Bates in the slightest is being naive and foolish. What on Earth makes you think that 'cutting the food supply' will affect him? Bates is a shyster and cares for nothing but his pocket as we all know, if the money coming in is reduced he will not allow it to affect his slice of the pie. He will respond by reducing the staffing costs, selling assets, refusing access to further funds and anything else he can think of. Think of the banking crisis, did the banks get hurt buy it? Did the guys at the top still get their million pound bonuses? The people who bore the brunt of it were you and I, the little people. We took the blow while they protected their own backsides and it would be exactly the same with an Elland Road boycott.

Bates would laugh his festering beard off at us as we effectively attack the thing we love while he remains immune.

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So we just sit back and say," ok uncle fester your ripping us off and we are ok with that". "Please try and leave a little money to buy just a few players."" You have beaten us and we know where are place is sir."
I don't know about you mate but i thought Lufc was all about die to the last man and don't stop till time is called. I didn't think it was, throw in the towel and give up because they are better and more skilled.
I don't care what anyone says. I'm not giving sh=t head another dime. You have to break a few eggs to make a omlet.
BATES OUT, BATES OUT!!
mot4life

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Eventually it would effect his slice of the pie though if there was an empty elland road every home game as 60% of the income comes from ticket sales ,he will lose out on food thats been bought by the club as well its just a matter of the fans sticking together and pushing him out .

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09 Sep 2012 16:22:39
believe = yes we want jenas unbelieve = no we don't

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We want yes weather we get is another story.

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Keep him fit he is a VERY good player

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He has never been good enough in the premiership but might just do a job in championship if he is fit. Beggars cant be choosers though..

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^^^ did you never see is early Newcastle days?

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Great player

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Wasted talent who settled for being a highly paid reserve instead of pushing himself. having said that we need a capable midfielder.

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09 Sep 2012 13:37:46
Just been watching NW on LUTV at lorimers bar all 4 parts. I have to say I love listening to him, he is so honest it's so bloody refreshing to have a manager come out and say it as it is. All due respect to Grayson but in comparison to Warnock he was a bit boring. For me forget we haven't got a lot of money because of Bates but whilst ever we have Neil I genuinely think we have a good chance of finishing top 6. Philbramley

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Considering how he's been treated by Bates, he has done an excellent job.

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And will be gone at the end of the season and we will remember him as that bhe was given no funds,(WHAT IF)
We need to stand togeather to get this man the money he needs.
BATES OUT, BATES OUT!!
mot4life

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09 Sep 2012 13:10:12
could we loan parker for free too please we would be very thankfull.

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Scott - not Ben!

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09 Sep 2012 08:38:35
Leeds linked with Jermaine Jenas

Def do a very good job and if was true how an why? Has NW been given the green light to spend on wages because TO is dusted? Just a thought...... {Ed013's Note - Spurs reported to be paying wages}

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Warnock got players out on loan be4 window closed to try and get a pacy striker on loan, but with injures my guess is he will have to use remaining wages on this deal. We are the biggest club in the league and we can't even aforde a squad, we can't even compete with clubs who get half our attendance . Norman get out off our club you Crook

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Not as if spurs don't owe us a few favours,seen as though we basically gave them Robinson,Lennon,rose etc, they did a few years ago what Norwich have done this last 18 months....
Kella74

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Don't we have anothe players on the treatment table already. I could be wrong and he stays fit for us. I just want Bates to get the message, hes not wanted anymore.
BATES OUT!!
mot4life

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Jenas on loan would be great, but I have to say to the second poster ... we are nowhere near the biggest team in the league. We're skint, under corrupt ownership, have a mid-table squad that's not big enough, don't own our ground or training facilities and have a broken and jaded fanbase. We barely scrape "decent size" in this division. It's about time some fans started to accept that.
-Sorry to be so negative like this but an injection of realism is needed in some places.
DonnyLeeds

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Ed013, surely Spurs aren't paying all his wages? What's in it for Spurs to pay all his wages? {Ed013's Note - He gets fit playing regular in a competitive league}

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Was talking to a mate that's a tott supporter said jenas is no good pace and touch gone just about good enough for championship but don't expect the jenas of old

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To the guy that said we are nowhere near the biggest team in the league.. Are you really a Leeds fan? cause you seem like a jealous Town fan. Being a 'big club' goes on fanbase history etc, not the amount of fans you get atm or what position in the league you are. Name 2 teams in this league with a bigger fanbase/better history.. For history you could argue forrest as they have won a european cup and we got robbed out of ours. But id still say we win them comfortably on fanbase.

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08 Sep 2012 23:35:37
This site used to be light hearted and fun with the banter and ridiculous rumours, but since that dreaded TO word was mentioned things have changed.

This in-fighting is the direct cause of people posting bullsh t on here about announcements on the TO which aren't true. I don't even think half the posters are Leeds fans, just Knobs trying to wind us up. Trouble is unfortunately it has worked.

The fact that negotiations are taking so long might not be a bad thing. both parties need to take a good look at what they're getting out of any deal. Just like we would do when buying or selling anything.

all that has happened in our frustration is pointless vitriol aimed at Ken Bates. How can we be sure he is the one holding up the deal? We can't, it might be the buyers. Ken Bates is a businessman trying to get a good deal for himself same as anyone would. I dont like the man but cant stand back and watch certain factions of our fans rounding on an easy target, Ken Bates, and whipping up a puerile hatred of the man just because he wont do a deal or tell us anything about it.

Please grow up and think about the wedge you are driving between fans of this great club. It's not Ken Bate's doing it is our doing.

I hope if he signs the deal, which he still might, all thuis inanity andstupidity will stop and we all get back to the thing we do best SUPPORT THE TEAM AND MANAGER> Living in hope that common-sense will prevail.MOT Ron

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Everyone is entitled to there own opinion but I feel sometimes people post on here to provoke a reaction
Ken bates is not an easy target he is THE target
He is slowly ruining the club
I wasn't one of the gang that hated bates I actually liked him and viewed him as a character that football needed until he started using my season ticket money to fight his legal battles over his ego and before he started calling me a person cos I have the audacity to ask for some investment in the team so I feel there is much more for the arguement against bated than there is for
This is a long way round me telling you your taking poo
Russjon

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The takeover has nothing to do with us hateing Bates, granted it's the iceing on the cake. The rest of it comes from Bates selling all are best assets. Then taking that money and putting into his off shore accounts or to fight his ego.
If we don't help this takeover move along, they may never be another one. Who would want to? Over a 100 days to do a takeover of a football club, it must be a record.
Forget about giving the fans 100%. This will never be achieved while the old grey haird birdseye is running are club like a playboys wet dream. Sometimes you have to go backwards to achieve your goal. The fighting will stop, once the dictator is gone.
STAY AWAY AND BATES CARN'T PLAY, KEEP ON GOING AND BATES IS GROWING!!
BATES OUT, BATES OUT!!
mot4life

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Nice one ken. thats why we are where we are.

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We seem to be preparing for the takeover to fail. Lets just wait guys.
If it does happen to fail, lets make sure our disgust at Bates is focused on him and not the team.

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08 Sep 2012 23:06:14
MY OPINION ......the football league is the governing body of the English football league. Therefore they have a responsibility to not only the players but in turn and also how each football club in each of the divisions is run.

Each football club in turn has a responsibility to it's players and the staff of the football club and importantly its fans.
As every business has a responsibility to it's staff and
Customers.

The football league imposed heavy fines and massive points deduction to try and prevent clubs acting in an irresponsible manner with their finances And business decisions.

So why when it has been so well documented that a club is heading for serious financial difficulties that could result in administration down to the decisions of the head of the football club eg one Ken Bates. Does the football league stand idly by and watch on till disaster ensues.

If we hit admin again, sure Mr Bates cannot sell the club and profit. But if as suggested Mr Bates has not used any of his personal money in the club, what has he lost? Which is why we cannot in all common sense understand why he is not selling.

So why isn't it the footballs league responsibility to intervene prior to a potential disaster happening or before the horse has bolted?

If Mr Bates has no intention of putting his money into the club which is his right, but continues to jeopardise the clubs financial stability( money going in then disappearing, borrowing against season ticket sales to play property developer leaving the club in a vulnerable position) the football league SHOULD have the right to issue an ultimatum.

That ultimatum should be to show all individuals are acting in a fit and proper manner, with proof that everything is being done to stabilise and ensure the clubs longevity. Or to suffer personal (NOT CLUB) financial penalties ( meaning if you caused it the penalties come out of your pocket and not the clubs) should any findings of impropriety be discovered.

The main penalty should be that the offender/s be removed from their position cancellation of directorship and a life time ban from being involved in any other football club.

It currently appears that the football league is happy for individuals (if they are wealthy enough) to run clubs into the ground, whilst robbing the club of it's profits and do nothing about it.

We are an accident waiting to happen, Mr Bates is in control of a potential sinking ship, with a life line being offered by an investor/buyer that can ensure the clubs longevity, and he is simply letting us drowned by ignoring the life line.

If the unthinkable happens and Bates destroys our great club, then the football league should be held equally accountable for doing absolutely nothing when all the warning signs are there.

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Please enlighten me as to where it has been"so well documented" that leeds are in financial trouble and heading for administration, I haven't read this and if its true would like to see for myself. Actual facts now not rumours

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How do we know that KB has used any money from the club to pay his legal bills? how do we know that KB is taking money from the club to line his pockets? how do we know that KB is not running the club in a way that it is financial stable? As i understand it the sale of our best/all players has been sanctioned by the manager so why do people berate KB for player sales. There is a budget to run the club for a season which is convened by ticket/anticipated sales, as i see it this is the proper way to run a football club. I want KB out and a new owner to invest in the club but while KB is here i am glad that the club is not over stretching financial and heading back to administration.

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The FL tried to extricate him when he was manager of Oldham but he took them to court, won and got paid damages so they'll no doubt be reluctant of the same outcome

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OP, not hard to see you have done a course or two.
You flit from your opinion to what others are required to do.
What is it? Your opinion, or fact?
I take my end at those who come on here and are experts on all things football and business.
Please make an old man happy, why do you not all get together and take over the club, run it properly, win all kinds of leagues and cups, sign all the best players, make loads of money.
Until you all do, please either stop posting nonsense, or get a life, or both.

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