Leeds Rumours Archive August 11 2011

11 Aug 2011 23:16:16
Simon Grayson interested in signing Middlesbrough's Marvin Emnes, wont happen until we've played them this Saturday. Would be a good signing.

Another name plucked from nowhere to apparently appear on SG's radar. Wish people would stop throwing random names around that have no substance.

He has just signed a new 3 year deal with boro and is there key player- nice try

Hope larry goes for Le Fondre, quality at good price

Why would we sign a player that Is not a out and out forward not a big centre forward which is what were looking for. Why sign a winger with a fee when we don't want mendy as sg believes it's an area that doesn't need strengthening.

La Fondre would be good i agree a good price and quick and knows how to finish.

11 Aug 2011 21:21:03
The player in question from monday was rob hulse. Pretty sure of this. SG looking hard to get someone in tomoz as we only have a skilfull dwarf upfront. Lol. Luz will most likely be signed if all else fails? Bates wont spend the amount of money the team needs to challenge this season. Various rumours as to why but he seems defiant that were workin with a budget of nothing

Luz is playing in a behind closed doors friendly tommorow so no decision will be made on him in time for the Boro match.

How do you know it's just SG not spending the cash because he feels the squad is ok? You don't know the ins and outs so why sl@g bates off when you don't know the whole story? You might be right you might be wrong who knows.

Not Hulse as the player in question was out of contract next summer. Hulse's runs to 2013.

I do know though. as KB said yesterday we couldnt afford alan smiths wages for a seaoson so from that comment alone its obvious the funds arent there.... and yes i am turning anti ken bates as he makes promises of signings etc and nothing ever materialises. SG has vented his frustration at the lack of signings and if he thinks the current squad is good enough, then what does he think were good enough for? we got ripped apart by soton.... and bradford carved there way through us far to often midweek. i was at both games and to be brutal... we are not good enough in any department

It was not hulse, he is still injured and out for at least another month.

Definitely not Hulse, he's injured and is likely to be out for another month or so, I think the more credible link was Andy Keogh from Wolves

11 Aug 2011 18:55:05
The unnamed Striker was definitely Sam Vokes.
He's played for us before, he's big, he's in the premiership, he can't get in Wolves starting 11, he'd be quite cheap, wage wise and he's in the last year of his contract.

No way He was s**t when he played for us no way would we waste any funds on him again

Rubbish. Was rubbish for us. No way. Wish it was Alex Nimely. Don't really matter now.

From a more reliable source than your maths... It was rob hulse

Sam Vokes did bog all last time he was here,why would we want him backbe better looking at the top sides reserves,young hungry players who want to play regular,what the hell is Merv doing all day?talent IS out there,get some brought in.

Sam Vokes is crap we dont want him, would prefer Rob Hulse anytime.

I Heard it was victor Moses that we missed out on before the Bradford game

Haha Vokes, Hulse, Cox, Moses, Best...it could have been any of them We'll never know

He looked out of his depth in league 1 never mind the championship terrible acquisition if true

11 Aug 2011 15:18:21
leon best on loan from newcastle

Would love this to be true, but just can't see it. Gj

Rubbish, newcastle would want a player in exchange

Would be an awesome signing but can't see it.

11 Aug 2011 13:34:31
Heard a rumour that Leeds can't afford to be promoted into the Premier League for the next 5 years due to the amount of payments that would have to be paid if we did
SELL BATES, AND LET SOMEONE ELSE HAVE THE ISSUE

Its said that its worth 90 million pound to promoted teams,plus 30 million if relegated,think that would go some way in clearing what debts we may have,to suggest were in effect buying crap just to stay in this division is lunacy,conspiracy theories popping up all over on here,stop with the silly rumours.

The rumour you heard it's wrong its not the next 5 years it's until the end of next year besides the amount we would have to pay back would be dwarfed by the £50-90m we get for getting to premier league. Moral of the story don't listen to rumours

No- if we get promoted this season bates will have to pay a sum wich wouldn't be more than 1 mill- but if we get promoted next season he won't have to pay a dime

A CVA is only applicable for Dix years from the point it starts. In our case another two season if we get promoted then pay back about 60.000.000 of ridsdales debt.

No we could not afford to get promoted within in 5years that was 4 years ago that so we don't have to pay our tax and other things it runs out at the end of the season

This is why no money being spent. Bates is actually doing right thing building up ground. He said because of what happened in past he wasn't going to build a great Leeds United for us but for our children. Get used to it unless he's bought out which I very much doubt. If only Ridsdale had spent that 60 mill on the ground instead of players we'd be in a position to "live the dream" now. Bates doing it the right way except what we don't like is all the lies coming out of Elland Road about players not joining. They should tell it like it is. Got no money. Not a big club anymore....but we will be again...2022 should be a good year just the 30 years after we last won the title. Remember this post MOT {Ed001's Note - how is the club spending money on a ground they don't own doing things the right way? It would be better spent on buying the ground back surely?}

Well do some homework and you will find out the full situation regarding financial penalties and promotion.

No you got it wrong....if we got promoted within 5 years of bates taking us into admin and buying us back then we would owe creditors money....but the final season of that is this season so i think you will find that we will spend more money next season and go for promotion then.

Nonsense rumour this was the last of the 5 years

I heard a a similar rumour with regards to last season..............that if Leeds went up straight away it would cost the club a lot of money.....explains the bad run of form at the end of the season and questionable decisions by SG We will be lucky to stay in the Championship at this rate let alone get promoted.

Thats crap pal, when we went into admin in 2007 we had a £7.7mill debt owed to the inland revenue, Bates payed .30p in the pound but if we got promoted to the Prem league within 5 years we would have to pay back another .60p in the pound,as this is the last of the 5 years Bates is making sure we dont go up this season. We Owe no one else Full Stop.......M.O.T

This is Absolutely true, due to the IVA agreement, if Leeds get promotion to the premier league within 5 years, they would have to repay the other 90p in the pound. this is Fact Gj

I think youll find that the money we would owe is nothing compared to the money we would recieve from being promoted. so why wouldnt we go for promotion this season, never heard anything so ludacrious in my life, purposely not attempting to gain promotion, use your brain

The amount we will have to pay compared to what we will get for being in the premiership is very minor so i don't think this is even a thought in what we spend.

To the editor, it doesn't matter whether we own the ground or not because the property company it was sold to is based in the Cayman Island and owned by one Kenneth Bates. {Ed001's Note - yes and he is charging the club rent, rent which wouldn't need to be paid if the club owned it.}

Ed, purely in my opinion, Bates is acting like a politician. Once we've completed our dodgy season finishing mid-table in May, he'll tell us the good news about buying back the ground. That is bound to appease many fans. Think of it like this. Bates isn't doing that East Stand redevelopment not to buy the ground back real soon. Just a season in transition for us. We'll probably have more of a go for promotion for the 12/13 season. {Ed001's Note - I hope you are right, the club is too big not to own its own ground.}

Hi Ed, in reply to your comment on buying the ground back...it is not in Bates' current interests to buy the ground back as then there would be something tangible for a new buyer to get their hands on. As it currently stands what would a purchaser of Leeds UTD actually buy? Whoever owns the ground (I'd rather see an enquiry into that than about the ownership of the club) will no doubt increase the rent when we return to the PL - a nice little income stream for someone... {Ed001's Note - someone with the initials KB perhaps?}

Gj you keep posting rubbish and claiming it as fact when I and many others do know the facts from what came out at the time and the fact is what you say is not fact. The fact is it's not true what you say about paying 90p in pound back. The money for promotion etc would more than easily cover the amount owed. That's a fact

Fact - when Leeds first went down and got to the playoff final, Bates told the manager NOT to win. This isn't rumour, it came from Kens mouth when I was having a drink in the boardroom after the League 1 playoff semi final the year after against Carlisle. So this guy is right in that promotion for 5 years after administration is spot on so stop thinking you know the truth in that we have been pushing for the premiership as the benefits would outweight the debts
The plan wasnt to go down to league 1 though

Prem ticket prices, prem merchandise prices etc
Low staff wages, lower league player wages, low manager wage, loans, free's etc
Its clear to see why Bates would be interested in us staying in the championship or lower ;)

Hes charging rent because its going back into to his other companys ;) rather than going back into the club.....get it.

How did you get to have a drink in the boardroom and get bates to admit this then? Your another one of these so called people who work behind the scenes yet come on this website and spew confidential information? Haha pull the other one

I don't believe that KB doesn't want to go up. However when we got promoted to the Championship he said that he and SG had a three year plan to get into the top flight, we are only in year 2.

11 Aug 2011 11:50:04
I'd say it's likely the striker was the boy Luz who was on trial last week

What more can a striker do than score 3 goals in a trial game? Also, Mendy should have been snapped up- dont tell me we cant afford freebies anymore?? For those who said Brown was the answer and can replace Kilkenny/Johnson- think again Clayton looks good tho'

How can it be him the striker was under contract he is a free agent anyway this striker was a prem striker in his last year of his contract.

But the striker is already with a club in the final year of his contract. That is where the problem lies

Luz is under contract to some Herman 2nd division club along with the other guy

Rot-Weiss Oberhausen

Luz also has very dodgy knees :-/

Just a stupid comment as Luz it out of contract now.

Luz is under contract to what is the equivalent of a L1 side.

He has a very poor career goal scoring record.

He has suffered with chronic knee injuries that have meant he has made only 16 first team appearances across the last 3 years.

11 Aug 2011 11:27:27
Apparently Leeds are interested in Simon Gillett of Donny.

Hope he's good, but a midfielder isn't the biggest priority, clayton seems better than we all thought and nunez is on fire.... We need to loan in a striker

Can't see Cuddly coughing up a massive 300k just to buy a player. That's enough to pay for carpet in the executive boxes

Midfielder IS the biggest priority. We have two at the club currently, in Clayton and Brown. Howson has played in the attacking position for 50+ matches now, you know?

Midfielder IS the biggest priority? did you see our defence on saturday? our priority is 2 full backs, and to put O'dea and paddy at centre half. OB was awful, he looked tired, slow and like he was carrying a knock.
Plus we need a centre forward, and to stop playing 1 man up front, as it doesnt work as we dont have a striker good enough to hold the ball up

We've needed defenders all summer.

We've needed a striker since Becchio didn'thave his op.

BUT I'd agree that we have also needed a midfielder or two as we have absolutely zero cover if Brown or Clayton were injured/suspended/ill; and that's leaving aside whether they are of the standard needed for a team alegedly looking for promotion.

At least in defence we can cope with injuries - it just the quality that's lacking.

10 Aug 2011 23:26:58
Ken Bates has said about the striker that was close to signing this week before the agent scuppered the deal: "So the player now hasn’t got first team football, and he’s on the fringes of it, he’s a good player and one we tried to sign a few years ago. This club have got a player who’s surplus to requirements so it’s lose, lose, lose all round. But we’re still working on it."

Speculation is Bogdanovic at Sheffield Utd...he claimed he been approached by Leeds last summer. On the fringe at SU (sub last weekend) and not in the squad last night. Watch this space...

So are we after a player who can not get it to a first Div side? Thats ambition bates, thats really improving the side.

If he cant get in a crap team like them then y do we wsnt him

What a joke No way will it be him as at the time the club came out and said we had been no where near him. It was his agent trying to attract interest in him Besides I'd hardly call him a big striker.

Better off with no strikers or billy than him

He was one of a number of players to reject our contract offers last summer. That's why Grayson ended up short of players in the positions he wanted and had to make do with what Bates would get him.

Can't say I'd be too upset if we didn't sign him now though. He's not exactly a mouth watering prospect or the type of player a Championship club with any ambition should even be considering. He can't get into a League One side's starting line up at the moment.

Typical from the crooked coward Bates though. Blame someone else and assume the fans are too stupid to notice. Its always been his way - as SG will find to his cost this season when his covering for Bates won't save him.

Before you go into your anti bates bollocks, consider that this actually might be not true. Very little on here actually happens so remember that. Cant believe that people are so easily taken in

I THINK BATES SAID HE WAS FROM A PREMIERSHIP CLUB

The comment above is spot on. Its 100% a premier league striker on the fringes. Bates said as much on radio

I was backing bates all the way but after then mendy deal and making him pay is own expensers. I beginning to think what else has he messed up for Grayson and is bates sayin who to play on the field. Grayson seems to be bates little puppy dog.

I'm mates with Jon Lynch at Wigan (youth).
He reckons Franco Di Santo was on the verge of a move somewhere but deal collapsed at last minute cause of his agent. Could have been him, would have been awesome signing.

Dont believe any thing that bates say no one wants to play for leeds because of tight hand bates im a leeds fan and i most admit i wouldnt want to play for leeds with bates in charge pays f all and slags u off get out of our club

To be fair plenty of players have come to leeds on trial in the past and paid their own way i believe somma and grella did this so there's no problem with mendy having to do the same if that is the case.

As for the deal collapsing or not why don't you wait until a more credable source e.g. someone from the club and not the daily rag comes out and says what's what?

To say you wouldn't want to play for the club because of who the chairman is, is bit stupid I would give my life to be able to pull on that White shirt and run out on the hallowed turf at elland guess that's the difference between some fans. Can I ask why you consider bates to be tight fisted? Do you know the ins and outs of our financial incomings and outgoings? Do you know bates personally? Or are you just another one of these people who hates him because of his past and what's in the papers? Granted I don't know the financial side of the club either hence why I'm more concerned with what's going on when the players are on the pitch as surely that's the main thing to get right first?
Fans need to learn there is no one with the money to buy bates out that is willing to otherwise they would have stepped forward by now Money is scarce now days unless you are an oil rich Arab So at the end of the day bates is here and here to stay no matter what people chant about him.

Not even Bates would describe Bogdanovic as a good player. Anyhow, it ain't him, silly speculating idiot.

I don't like Bates.

But not because he was at Chelsea (or QPR or Oldham or wherever else). Sure, I'm worried that he cam within days of bankrupting Chelsea but I don't hate him for that.

I don't like him because he is the only chairman who took us into Division 3.

Because he took us into administration.

Because his childish gobbing off about the FL, the FA and other chairmen, agents and players makes us look stupid and makes business difficult.

Because he repeatedly lies to us. He's even been convicted in court this year of lying to us in the match day programmes.

Because he bans the BBC and Guardian as they have the balls to report on his shady business dealings.

Because he portrays himself as some business expert and tries to justify his lack of footballing ambition on that basis yet he used administration to rid himself of £35m of debt.

In doing that he screwed a number of Leeds businesses.

Because his lower championship/L1 wage structure doesn't allow us to retain our players let alone sign new ones of note.

Because he has sold players for around £15m since administration yet invested less than a tenth of that back into the team.

Because he hides behind off shore funds rather than being honest with us about who owns our club, ground and facilities.

Because he's spending £7m on doing up a half empty stand in a ground he claims he doesn't even own.

Those are some of the reasons I don't like him and would like to see him out before he damages our club and reputation any more.