21 Mar 2014 19:15:40
The FL are set to issue a statement saying that whilst not failing the test, Cellino cannot pass the FPP test until his current legal issues are resolved. In terms of consequences for the club, this means that GFH - whole urgently need to sell - will need to find another buyer.
21 Mar 2014 20:46:16
If he can't pass then he has failed! no middle ground. Having said that unless you are the FL I think I will wait for their official verdict rather than take notice of yet more conjecture.
A test that you cannot fail and cannot pass? That's a useful test!
That can't be correct. It completely breaches the innocent until proven guilty rule. If he does not fail the test then they can't stop him from taking over.
CH
I don't know where everyone's getting this innocent until proven rubbish this isn't a court case the fl r a private organisation and if they dot want someone to be part of their club then that's it, for whatever reasons, and let's be realistic here the guys just been convicted of some sort of tax/vat fraud its no surprise the fl are concerned?
would you try sue say a golf club because they won't let you join?
21 Mar 2014 22:53:04
That depends on why they would not let me join there golf club
No, but not joining a golf club wouldn't stop me from trading, or running a business, and therefore wouldn't be liable to legal action against them, unlike the football league.
CH
What gets me is that the decision is to be made by CEOs of our competitors. How ridiculous, it wouldn't happen in any other industry!
What the FL are saying is that apart from this current court case that Cellino is appealing against there is nothing else that would stop him taking over. The FL could come out now and say that he cannot take over at all as he has been found guilty of tax evasion but they would then leave themselves open to a legal challenge if Cellino's appeal is successful. The other alternative is that they say yes you can take over LUFC and then his appeal fails, then you have a convicted tax evader in charge of an English club which makes a mockery of the FPP test and would again open the FL to legal challenges from other people who have been turned down due to failing the FPP test in the past. I've said this before there is no Anti Leeds bias at the FL, the boards of our club have made lots of terrible decisions and choices in the last decade and the FL and FA have penalised us within there rules as we have broken them.
22 Mar 2014 10:54:41
FL will probably be analysing the judges reasons for her judgement. May be that there were mitigating circumstancing because the fine was less than their tax men wanted. If he did not intentionally avoid tax then it is not technically criminal. He is appealing because he rightly says the yacht was bought by his American outlets and tax paid but when it sailed into Italy it was damaged and has not moved since, is this a reason to be classed as a criminal. His past is obviously influencing the prolonged deliberations.
We can only hope and get back to supporting Leeds like we do.
BIGE
What golf club are you trying to join?
I don't think the FL know what to do!
On top of the innocent until guilty and restraint of trade argument there is also the claim that could be made that this take over has been treated differently to any other and the FL have not applied the rules in the same way they have in the past. For a starters they haven't made statements to the public in the past while processing an application. There is obvious evidence that this take over has been treated differently without any digging even!
We already have a convicted criminal in charge if a club Carson yueng at Birmingham.
Are the football league going to sack them from the league.
It's all one big joke.
Snoopy MOT
To all the team today, get your heads up and get stuck in, don't let this takeover saga pull you down, all the fans are behind you so come on Ross rally your troops Mot!
22 Mar 2014 13:53:17
The FL are set to issue a statement saying that whilst not failing the test, Cellino cannot pass the FPP test until his current legal issues are resolved. In terms of consequences for the club, this means that GFH - whole urgently need to sell - will need to find another buyer.
The above statement is the most personic thing I have ever read.but then again we are talking about the football League. so anything is possible.
Snoopy Carson Yueng is not in charge of Birmingham he resigned in February. Peter Pannu is the chairman
Cellino was found guilty and he will remain guilty unless he appeals and wins the appeal, until then he is guilty and was found guilty in a court of law
Btw the fl aren't stopping him from conducting whatever business he wants he can buy the club if he wants. just can't play in their league haha maybe ask the spl if they're looking for a new team :p
Actually person with no name he stepped down as chairman but he is still the owner, like cellino wants to be the owner with Haigh as chairman.
So uam right I think on this one, can you clear that up please ed.
Snoopy MOT
{Ed001's Note - he is not the owner. This is a quote regarding why the FL are satisfied: The Football League has said that refinancing of the club's holding company, Birmingham International Holdings, on the Hong Kong stock exchange, and assurances given to enable the company's shares to be traded again, mean the league is satisfied Yeung is no longer involved and its rules are being complied with. In other words, they accept he is no longer the owner.}
Fit and proper test covers Scotland too
Its a fit and proper test to see if your fit and proper to own a club, not be chairman. carson yueng may not be chairman now. but he still owns birmingham city, fact and the league have said him being in prison does not affect birmingham. yet we get treated like something s harvey and the league have trod in
22 Mar 2014 22:30:23
the FL will just sit there now and gfh will have no choice but to cancel deal with cellino and look for a new buyer .
Sorry ed but Carson yueng owns the international holding company with a 26% share holding, he was even quoted 2 weeks ago stating he will not sell Birmingham City, iam afraid he does still own the company and the club and is showing that the FL are a bunch if 2 faced crooks who hate leeds.
Snoopy MOT
Please don't ban me for disagreeing with you like you did last time.
{Ed001's Note - I have no idea who you are, nor have I ever banned anyone on this site, so don't know why you are being such a tool as to make up that lie. You don't even understand what you are talking about, so why try and make up more nonsense to add to your idiocy about being banned by me? Perhaps you should look into why the amount is 30%. Or perhaps you should just grow up and stop crying about things clearly outside of your comprehension.}
Snoopy MOT
{Ed001's Note - if you were warned by one of the other editors, then I am going to stand by their judgement. You just want to talk crap and try and stir up fights about nothing. Yeung, for the purposes of FFP, is not the owner of Birmingham City, no matter how you spin it with your bitter, twisted, everyone is against us childishness. No one at the FL wants Leeds in trouble. They don't hate you at all. Why would they? You are one of their draws for tv companies to get them coverage and money with it. Now give it a rest.}
Carston Yeung resigned from Birmingham city board as of feb 2014.
His son Ryan and brother-in-law Shui Cheong Ma are still on the board however.
ACTING chairman Peter Pannu says Carston Yeung WILL NOT have any say in the running of the club even though family members are on board ummmmm.
Guess being a BCFC fan is as tough as being a LUFC fan lol
I think the Yeung situation is what the FA and the FL are trying to avoid with Cellino. Once they say you have passed the FPP test you are allowed to own and run the club as long as you want. If you are then found guilty of criminal charges then there is nothing the FA/FL can do about it, they can't force that person to sell the club so then they have a convicted criminal in charge of one of there clubs which doesn't look good. The FA got lucky that Yeung stepped down, he didn't have to he could have stayed as chairman but did the right thing
'Cellino was found guilty and he will remain guilty unless he appeals and wins the appeal, until then he is guilty and was found guilty in a court of law'. Actually under Italian law the opposite is the case. He remains innocent unless the appeal fails; This is what is causing FL a headache