Leeds Rumours Archive August 24 2011

 

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24 Aug 2011 22:51:47
appart from the missed pen, gradel played quality against west ham, i dont see why everyone is saying sell. i would only sell if a ridiculous amount of money came in like 10 million, then we could strengthen defence and defensive

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I'd sell because I doubt he'll except the s**t contract that Bates will no doubt offer him so h'll go for free at the end of the season. He's got a good price tag on his head at the moment which the club could use. Obviously whether Grayson will get the money is another thing

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Even with 10 million bates wouldn't give Grayson any full stop .

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24 Aug 2011 18:43:15
I refer Leeds fans to this video compilation. Ramon Nunez is good

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWzPztTz6c4

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Pretty good

lets have some more of that in a Leeds Shirt

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This guy is something special... can we keep hold of him.? already his name is getting touted around and only a rolling contract with Leeds.. can we afford to offer 10k and 3 years YES

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Trust me I knew he was good before anyone on here did. I saw him play for Honduras just after he signed for Leeds and was f***ing quality

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Before you claim your the footballing scouting fountain of all knowledge, when he played in America for Chivas us and Dallas he was very hit and miss. He started well looked really promising then lost it a bit, hope he's not the same at Leeds

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He is class, you could see that against Hull City last week

Only problem I possibly see is he's a bit fragile, physically, and I can't help feel that 'some' teams would start playing quite physically against him, and we could end up with another injury, as if we don't have enough of those already?

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Well mate I watched him play in the world cup class act he will be fine, we will be better than last season O'Dea with Paddy looks solid. When we get Becchio back and maybe a full back and another midfieler we can push on. On the wings we have an embarrassment of riches just need that something else in the middle to allow Clayton Howson to do they thing.

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He's OK. but despite a decent shot i dont think he's the answer to our problems. He's absolutely nothing on gradel who is prem class and i still cant believe leicester let him go. Let's see nunez play well on a cold tuesday night in november away to blackpool, that'll be the big test for a player like him

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24 Aug 2011 16:49:25
Ed - do you know what Ken Bates said at 1pm today regarding Gradel??

I think it was on Yorkshire Radio but I missed it and cant find it anywhere what was said?

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The Great One said that Gradel was going nowhere, that Nunez was good and sarcastically said that it was a shame that he was a free transfer rather than costing us 10 million. He also said that he expects more players in as we head closer to the transfer deadline as players and clubs reduce their demands. He said that he was impressed with how the younger players have started to make their mark in the 1st team. Oh, he also slagged off agents again, so no surprise there. Surprisingly he wasn't asked about Cruz or Forsell. Said he hoped Becchio might be back for the Palace game.

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Im not Ed but I heard it. He didn't say much really just the usual 'We've got the makings of a good team, the academy is starting to produce quality players again ie Taylor, White and Lees and Gradel isn't going anywhere'.

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He said Gradel is staying put basically, i.e. they have no intention to sell, but if someone offfers 8-1o mill (unlikely IMO), then who knows.

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I think it had something to do with west ham not being able to afford him, could be wrong but thats what i think

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Didnt he say he loved LEEDS and is a big fan ?

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He said only west ham had made an offer and that was to be paid in stages. He said if they had accepted it then Gradel would be retired by the time we received the last payment. Usual uncle ken sarcasm

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Gradel would have retired by the time last payment made (like it)
Prefer to have cuddly ken anyday to Gold and Sullivan,And Karen Nasty Brady (prob worst owners in football)

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Bates also said that we have an excellent scout in south america who got us Becchio and Nunez. He says we are expecting a few more coming our way from there in the not too distant future.

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Nice, thanks for that.

Im surprised that nobody ever asks Ken about whether we are negotiating a new contract with Gradel etc?
I think thats just as an important question if any as if not, we might look to selling him.....I wouldnt be surprised if SG does an 'arsenal' and uses the kids this season like White, Lees, Clayton etc....haven't done bad so far

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24 Aug 2011 15:28:28
Boukary Drame, the left back we reportedly had on loan, has joined Chievo from Sochaux

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24 Aug 2011 15:04:13
Even if we don't sign anybody else, please tie up Gradel, Nunez, White (all in their last year) on new contracts- offer better terms to Snoddy & Lees- and make sure O'Dea and Keogh sign at the end of the season on freebies- we then then allow some fringe players move on, and get in someone like Clingan or Montgomery. If Gradel wont sign- sell him NOW- cannot stand losing players for nothing- Beckford, Kilkenny, Johnson- come on Larry & Papa Smurf- sort it out- its' not too much to ask

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Please stop begging to sign montgomery he is crap a low level player get him out your head, if we are to move forward we need to be signing much better players than him.

Sama goes for clingan these are not good players that you are craving get some knowledge please these sorts of players will take us down like they are doing with there current clubs.

Show some ambition.

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I think you miss the point of my post- it is to sign up those in the last year of their contracts- it is obvious we also need another central midfielder- Lansbury would be great, but read the main body of the message, not just a point upon which you try to have a go

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Will everybody stop mentioning Montgomery He is S**t and we dont want him

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24 Aug 2011 12:37:44
Leeds to tie down forrssell deal this weekend

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Get Le Fondre instead, at least he will have some fitness, lol.

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Dont get the Le Fondre love in, he just ain't that good tsp in vs s**t keepers

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Adam LeFondre instead please. Remember where we got Beckford from...

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Everyone wants to sign Le Fondre, but he's never played above league two? Completely untested. Yes Beckford was brilliant in League One, but they're not all like that. Plenty fail to make the grade.

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Hes average at best he wouldnt have been in league two all these years if he was any good

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If le fondre is that good and you all keep saying we should sign him why as no one else come in and maid the massive fee of 250k maybe because he is crap

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We are not signing forsell he is being released shortly after failing to impress.

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Forssell will be a good impact player, i agree above.. why hasnt anyone else had a punt on le fondre already..even league 1 teams havent bothered.

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Im not saying Le Fondre is a good player but in answer to your comments - arguably the biggest team in League 1 (Sheff Wed), have had 2 or 3 bids rejected for Le Fondre so there was some interest from a 'bigger' league 1 side. saying that i think i actually would prefer Forsell in all honesty

on that note - anybody who thinks Vassell would be a good bit of business needs to seriously have a gd look at there self and question whether football is a game they should be following he is nothing short of dog sh*t.

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24 Aug 2011 11:50:38
Le forde has been given a price tag of 350k with 50k add ons surly we can afford that let's go for him and sell payter

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A player who has never played higher than League One Sorry, this is just rubbish and end of any connection. The player may be good enough for Rotherham and in their league, perhaps he should stay there or even the SPL.

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24 Aug 2011 11:02:16
Very interesting to hear what Bates says today on the future of Gradel

Grayson stated the other day,West Ham should come back with a £10 million bid and we might listen

Bates put a price tag of £8 million on Snoddy,so with the 18 goals max scored last season,Bates must rate Gradel in the £10 million bracket

Be very lucky to get £5 million

If they decide to sell,
All i can see if egg on the face of both Bates and Grayson

Get Clayton and Nunez tied down to long contract deals,we end up loosing alot of money,with players going for nothing

Its simple business,but Bates doesnt seem to understand

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Does it matter how much Gradel is worth, we don't see any of it Stop been deluded and lets try keeping our better players. Yeah he can be a liability sometimes but that 90% he isn't, he's very good

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Bates said Gradel is going nowhere, fair play. To be honest i cant see any club paying our valuation of him anyway , quote SG ' We would be lookining at four times West Hams bid (2.5m)'

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Looks like we will lose him at end off season for free,As no mention off new contract yet again .I can't help thinking this is massively short term thinking . bates being the big I am,Saying can't see any one paying our valuation.Surely he can't think letting player after player leve for free makes sense financially or apeases fans. Can't weigh the man up .

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Hes a very old man,he should sell up and start enjoying his retirement
We need a fresh new boardroom,take this club forward,too many players leaving for small fees or nothing
The bloke is far to stubborn

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I must admit, I'm not the biggest Ken (Chelsea) Bates fan. Having said that I feel that there's far too many "fans" on here who seem to know how to run and manage a professional football club, telling Bates and Grayson how wrong they've got things and they should do things this way and that I'm guessing there aren't many posters on here involved in professional football in ANY capacity, so how's about we let the guys who have been doing this (reasonably successfully remember, where were we 2 seasons ago) for most of their adult lives get on with it and let's all get behind the team and support them rather than shoot them down all the timeMOT

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And i suppose your ok with that Leeds been a mediocre 2nd division football team that allows their best players to walk for free..?
remember the assets of LUFC are the players - if they walk for free we have to find investment elsewhere its a knockon effect

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I do back. I go to every home game and as many away as I can that's how I back my club.The point I was making about letting our BEST players leve on free transfers is a valid point weather I work in pro football or not . Name any other club in last three seasons who have no money problems who have lost three off there first team regulars aged early to midd 20s for free,one off who was leading goal scorer .I can not it's like Norwich last year letting holt Wes holliahan go for free .instead they gave them new 4 year deals early on in season . I would rather we get some money . If max wants to go now he's deffo not going to renew his contract at end off season ,Sell him and re invest money on a valid replacement .Bates will prob let him go on a free and replace him with a free ,cheaper that way like I said very short sighted

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Its simple if you have the cash, we dont, its been spent on the east stand.

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24 Aug 2011 10:46:42
i dont think we should cash in on gradel at all. he is a valuable asset, he will score and create vital goals for us just like last year, he was player of the year and since when do we offer new contracts at summertime?? its always the xmas period....

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For example becchio last season signed a contract in december

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Exactly, if we are on the up and doing better at xmas than last yr we can sign gradel up. personally i think we will be, we have a better defense and keeper so the silly goals that gave us draws rather than wins last season mite now be rectified

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Come Jan, Mad Max can not only talk to other clubs but sign 4 another club, so if we dunt tie him down na he's off. Simples.

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Yea but the thing is the player will get offered brass buttons and then they obviously don't sign so they just lose out on a free in the summer so then we can replace them with someone worse, obviously all about money coz y would u go to other clubs just to sit on the bench, even at Bristol in killas case

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Lol at christmas he can sign a pre-contract with anyone, who lets a player get into the last six months of his contract before offering him an extension. Answer: a fool

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24 Aug 2011 10:29:01
hi all just listening to yorkshire radio atm, presenter said 'coming up after 1 o'clock, chairman Ken bates on the future of Max Gradel'. We are gonna get an answer either way it seems.

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I am confident that Bates will say the following 'We have put an excellent offer forward to Max and he wont accept it'. The line he has hid behind for too long on other players ie Beckford, Killkenny and Johnson to name but 3.

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Why are you saying it's a "line" from bates and not the truth? do you have undeniable proof that he's lying if he says what your speculation says he will? If we offered the best we can why break our wage structure for one player?

Do you not think if we did this the others would say "we want to be paid the same as Max" when their contracts are running down?

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What like Darren Fletcher running in to Fergie and asking for the same as Rooney.... or Vincent company demanding the same as Tevez...
behave man its football you pay what the value of that person is to any business

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24 Aug 2011 04:04:57
i think we should cash in on gradel (4 million) and brown for 500k, and we should get Montgomery from sheff united and vassel from Leicester, and we should also get rid of payntner anyone agree?

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We dont want vassell and no one will buy brown

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No I don't agree. If we're going to get anywhere, we need to keep our best players, of which Max is obviously one. We need to tie him down on a long term deal rather than sell him. As for Brown, we've only just bought him, so why sell him? He could be a useful back up to Howson and Clayton should either of them get injured or suspended.
As for Vassel, he was training with us in the pre-season in 2010. We didn't want him then, so why shoould we want him now that he is a year older and a year fatter? We've got enough players who can score goals, and that's not even including the injured Becchio and Somma.

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I agree on Gradel or we lose him for free but why do we want vassel, we have better optiobn already, he is not good enough

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Vassell is crap why do people keep mentioning his name............The sun doesnt shine out of Montgomerys arse either so thats another name we need to drop. We are LEEDS UNITED, not Barnsley. We need to be looking at players on the fringes of their premiership teams not players from League 1 teams. Have some faith man, if we went by your suggestions we would fishing around the has beens and the players who have never improved in League 1/2. We need to be looking at players like Wayne Bridge, Bellamy,Jay Spearing, Danny Wilson

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Danny Wilson isnt he old,and has a contract with sheff wed

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I really don't think we need to buy anyone-just concentrate on renewing contracts.
Gradel has been sent off and missed a pen but did anyone see the amount of free kicks he tactically won at upton park?
He's still fantastic and his contract sorted.
Brown needs time to settle in-not easy when expecations so high at ER. Brown O'B and Paynter need support and a break.
I remember Clayton getting a tiny bit of criticism last year and look at him now.
Support the team including the less rated players

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Some fans havn't got a clue

Brown has just signed so therefore will not leave.

No one will pay above 3 million for gradel when he has only 1 year contract left.

Why would we want Monrgomery now? Last season he wouldnt sign for us as we didnt offer enough Look where that got him Relegated If he was Leeds through and through, then he would have signed on a free. Why pay money for him now.

Lastly, Vassell is dog s**t. Why would we want another donkey when we have Paynter

Keep the faith in Grayson

MOT

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Vassell is utter crap don't need him or want him .

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500K for brown, no body wanted him apart from us on a free so thats utter horse s**t

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Danny wilson is a 20 year old centre back that liverpool bought from rangers.... very good player with a lot of potential.

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A) brown has just signed and albeit a little robust with his challenges, he's the sort of no thrills hard working midfielder we needed. B) Vassel USED to be a pacy little striker with an eye for goal, now he's just sh@te. The players we currently have in the team are capable of gaining a play off place, maybe we get Forsell, maybe we get a couple of premiership teens on loan, they will be squad players at best. No more hold-your-breath-big-name signings for us. Lets just enjoy watching clayton, lees and white as they blossom. MOT

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No one will pay 3 million? well someone will have to if they want him hes rated at 10 million by bates

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To who posted this:
Brown needs time to settle in-not easy when expecations so high at ER. Brown O'B and Paynter need support and a break.
I remember Clayton getting a tiny bit of criticism last year and look at him now.
Support the team including the less rated players

Clayton was an inexperienced youngster last year he was always going to get better, just needed fine tuning but brown, OB are past it and as for paynter hes a L1 player no better, lacks all the quality you need for higher level eg one on ones no composure..

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