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04 May 2024 22:18:11
Well my gut-feeling was 100% wrong and even betting on the opposite results to what I wanted didn't work (I would have preferred automatic promotion to the collect) .
I am an optimist by nature, but I cannot see how we are going to turn around our current form for the play-offs.
I will hope for the best, but fear the worst.
Having said that I am not too disappointed because, before this season started, I said we would need a couple of seasons to recover from the sh! t storm that we went through before a ball was kicked.
At the end of the day it is not important to me if it is Premiership, Championship, League 1 or whatever, so long as I have a Leeds team to support.
18 Aug 2023 12:57:50
I always treat the rumours I see online with a certain scepticism but, if this bloke Cannon from Everton really was a target of Farke's and is any good, it would make sense to me that we think about incorporating him into any deal if they want Gnonto.
My logic for this is:
* we desperately need a good striker
* We need to get rid of Gnonto.
There is no benefit in keeping a bloke that does not want to be here and in fact it could have a negative impact on the rest of the team.
It might mean less in actual sale price, but I think that would be compensated for by filling an obvious hole in the squad and removing a distraction/ disruptive element.
1.) 18 Aug 2023 14:04:24
100% jungle. Do it.
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14 Sep 2025 23:35:28
I have been contemplating another post for a while and have decided to bite the bullet.
Let's start with a qualification.
These are my personal opinions, not facts, and I am no expert (not even a gifted amateur) .
I believe that the inital focus on upgrading defense/ midfield during the window was correct because this area will be more important when it comes to survival in the Premier League.
I think the defensive aspect of our game has shown enough so far, for me to be comfortable about this part of the puzzle.
I agree that a signing or two more in attack would have been nice, but I can live with what we have for now.
I know that goals have been virtually non-existent but, to me, I think they are still forming combinations/ understanding and, based on what I have seen so far, I think there are a few goals in our attack and midfield.
It will not be a lot of goals, but I believe it will be enough to get us the odd win.
The final piece of the puzzle is the coach. I acknowledge and accept others comments that it has been more of the same in terms of selections, like for like replacements, etc.
But, to me, I have had the feeling that there have been subtle changes to the approach/ set-up within a largely unchanged formation.
I cannot say why, something has just felt different. I think Farke is smart enough to change and this gut feeling leads me to believe that he will.
Becasue of the combination of the above, I believe it will be enough to keep us up.
Now for my post-window prediction of how we will finish.
This year, I do not think that the automatic relegation of the promoted teams is locked in. There are at least 3 or 4 other teams that I think will come into the mix (the current bottom 3 and Forest) .
My prediction is 15/ 16.
I would be interested to hear other people predicted finishing places.
1.) 15 Sep 2025 01:53:55
It could be anywhere below 14 tbh. Very had to predict. There are lots of relegation contenders this season. Unlike the greedy 3 of last two seasons who wouldn’t let anybody else join in.
2.) 15 Sep 2025 06:27:48
Thats a decent point of view in my opinion jungle.
The 15/ 16 finish is a little exotic in my belief but certainly achievable in our very best scenario.
3.) 15 Sep 2025 09:31:09
16th is what the board are aiming for this year.
4.) 15 Sep 2025 09:56:15
Thanks for your insights, Daniel.
5.) 15 Sep 2025 10:00:10
Great post and I think very insightful
We can all have our opinions on farke. For me he is the most tactically adaptable and intelligent coach we have had for decades and his success shows
He had a record breaking season where’s subs were pretty much perfect, now I agree his is showing adabtabktiy and realised the football you play to get up has to be different to the football you play to stay up.
6.) 15 Sep 2025 12:34:30
Let’s see if he keeps us in prem bermo. That’s the true judge of a man and manager. Or even sees November. October. Xmas.
7.) 15 Sep 2025 12:39:09
Good post Jungle.
I think the previous 2 EPL seasons and the terrible performances of the promoted teams has had a real impact on this seasons three.
Clearly, it has determined a lot of what has been recruited with teams bolstering defence and midfield.
I do think, aside from that mad 30 minutes either side of halftime against Arsenal, we have played a controlled game and it evidence to me that Farke has changed the approach, almost as if he wants to survive the early part of the season as best as he can, i. e. not have the season over and done for before the season has got underway. He's obviously recognises that we have new players to bring in whilst some of the promoted incumbents have got to learn and adapt to a whole new level.
This is manifesting on the pitch in a way that can be seen as "slow build up, " lack of creativity etc, but it's really big step up these days. You see more of the "championship Leeds" style at home where he appears to allow a little more freedom.
I think [hope] that as the season progresses, we start to see a more positive style of play. I am also convinced that once the goals start to come, they'll come at a decent rate.
Farke's on a hiding to nothing; I genuinely believe he his trying to adapt to this league and not to ruin the season before it's started.
for 330 minutes of the 360 minutes so far we have done alright and arguably better than our opponents. Everton [see how they're going now] and Newcastle are decent teams and we matched them both. We shouldn't have lost at the weekend.
Keep the faith; the end of October will be a far better indication of where we are going to be.
8.) 15 Sep 2025 13:20:24
Mo (or should that be Baz? )
Thank you for your very meaningful contribution to the discussion.
12 Jul 2025 03:16:04
I have been reading with interest the varying views about our relative activity/ inactivity during the window and who we should get in/ avoid signing.
I am not going to talk about specific players because I do not know enough about any of them and, as far as I can tell, we have been linked to everyone including the CF of my local under 10 team. ?
Personally I am not overly concerned if we do not sign a bunch of high profile players, but rather that we put together a team that we believe will be able to function well together.
A team is only as good as the sum of its component parts, not of the individual parts within it.
Too many times I have seen a team with a number of "stars" that simply does not function together.
I know one brillant individual can make a difference in an occasional game but, for a long season, give me a group of players that function well together and work for each other every time.
1.) 12 Jul 2025 07:43:42
Fair comment jungle.
The trick is getting a talented player that will improve and fit in and want to play for Leeds. Can’t be that hard surely.
2.) 12 Jul 2025 08:38:08
For the next few seasons, that's exactly what I'd prefer to see Jungle! Get stability, and PL security first, flair later. Look at Brighton and Brentford as prime examples.
3.) 12 Jul 2025 11:40:31
Yes that’s fair comment but then how do you play if you sit back and try to soak up pressure teams will kill you in this league , if you have nt got the bit of flair and quality your talking about then how do you compete, its all about being on same page working for each other no prima Donna s there s no I in team you have to have some balance through out team you seen last time in league we was like all attack good to watch and to good to go down but down we did its all about balance through the team, the teams your on about are good balanced teams Brighton been awesome but you have a look they work rate superb, Brentford the same but the bad thing for them I always feel sorry for is like us get decent players in on cheap then club sells them then must start all over again you take this season Brentford this year by time window closes , new manager some of best players sold on they re going to struggle now this year for sure.
4.) 12 Jul 2025 16:04:55
And also you watch Crystal Palace, sold alissi . See, is he going to be sold gueye, the centre back also teams after mata up front they re another team just going to find it so hard to survive, because how you survive in this league is try to strengthen upon what you got every year and get some stability and structure but the way they re offload players will make them in same boat as us because they ve got to fill in the places of established players so it’s not easy.
03 Jul 2024 00:15:52
Normally I would be very worried about a youngster like Archie jumping to a Premier Club so early in his career, but I think he has a number of things in his favour.
His natural ability, the sound foundation offered by his family and, in my opinion, one of the best coaches in the Premier League for bringing on young players and giving them an opportunity when/ if they deserve it.
1.) 03 Jul 2024 01:36:59
He'll be fine and why be concerned?
He is no longer a Leeds player.
One season only at Leeds . players come and go .
And have a billion times more affection for several other ex Leeds players.
2.) 03 Jul 2024 01:50:41
Good luck to him. Not a fan of spurs football or the manager. But if he does well prob only a stepping stone to a top club. Hope we got a sell on clause as he just money to us now. His family got a good history with the club, not him.
3.) 03 Jul 2024 03:56:16
* one season in 1st team.
4.) 03 Jul 2024 04:11:13
Because Baz, I have a personal dislike of seeing very talented young players being chewed-up, spat out and wasted.
For me it is not a Leeds thing, or a particular fondness for Archie, it is just a general dislike of something that occurs fairly often.
5.) 03 Jul 2024 06:40:30
Yh I agree, Jungle. Hate seeing teams do that to young players.
6.) 03 Jul 2024 08:09:25
He will develop well under Ange, who is a coach I like a lot. Focus now turns to Harry, who, by all accounts, has the greater potential of the two.
7.) 03 Jul 2024 09:47:05
. Citeh will sign 15 y o Harry eithin a year .
8.) 03 Jul 2024 15:24:41
Hopefully we keep him until he signs a pro contract, Baz ?.
9.) 03 Jul 2024 15:32:25
No. No they won’t.
10.) 03 Jul 2024 18:23:00
Hopefully Dill.
28 May 2024 00:21:10
Now that the season is over discussions will logically focus on players we need to let go/ bring in.
But I wanted to pose a different question.
In the modern game there seems to be specialist coaches for everything, so do we need to also be looking at what we need to change in the coaching department?
To give a coupe of examples:
- We have been rubbish for ages at set pieces and I assume we have a specialist coach for that. I would see that as one essential change.
- There is much debate about Meslier. To me he seems to have gone backwards in his time with us and it also seems to me that none of our keepers progress at our club. Maybe this is another area for change.
What I don't know is if these type of roles are part of the "Farke" team and are his choices, in which case it becomes a bigger issue. Maybe someone can explain whether that is the case to me.
I think that is it is just as important to get these specialist coaching positions right as it is to get the right players.
1.) 28 May 2024 07:40:51
Again jungle, good post pal! For sure, I think it would benefit Farke to mix it up a bit with his coaching team. Both of the key areas you mention should be subjects of thorough review, as they cost us in many instances this season.
2.) 28 May 2024 09:32:08
I've been thinking the same regarding specialist coaching.
Our attacking corners and free kicks are appalling
I think Meslier has improved since Farke took over, but he does still frustrate me a lot of the time
Apparently punching the ball out speeds up our attacks
Well if that's the case, why does he dally about with the ball at his feet when our wide men are waiting for the ball.
3.) 28 May 2024 10:23:22
The whole coaching set up at Leeds United needs upgrading / replacing.
4.) 28 May 2024 14:52:26
And the punches have to land leeroy.
But they don’t.
5.) 29 May 2024 09:13:40
Why the entire set up? Are the players not fit enough, as an example question? Was the defence not drilled well enough for most of the season? Did the DF MF structure not deliver on its objectives?
I think the specific areas Jungle points out are valid, but to say everything needs replacing, is excessive, and knee jerk.
26 May 2024 23:52:16
I a little surprised to find that I am not massively disappointed about failing to achieve promotion last night and I think it may be down to a couple of things:
After the performance against Norwich at home, in my heart I expected a fairly tepid performance, because we do not seem to have strung two good games together all season.
Despite great optimism at times during the season, at the start I was firmly convinced that we needed a complete re-build and that it would take a couple of seasons to build a squad capable of not only gaining promotion, but not bouncing straight back down.
Aligned with this, I thought that it would take more than one season for Farke to get the players he wanted, playing the way that he wanted.
Although there have been times this season that I have really wondered about some of Farke's decisions, I am OK with giving him another season despite this because:
- he inherited a dog's breakfast of a situation with the squad
- at the end of the day, I don't know what information he had that was not public
- as long as my @rse is pointing at the ground, I will never be a professional coach or know as much about the tactical side of football as just about anyone.
Sorry this is so long-winded but, finally, I am really looking forward to the future posts about who we should/ shouldn't or have/ haven't signed.
Especially the scouting posts from Dillinger (who must spend 30 hours a day watching football and I think might need a day job ?)
1.) 27 May 2024 00:29:25
DF didn't exactly look disappointed to lose either in his post match conference.
2.) 27 May 2024 00:55:00
Strung 2 games together? Did we not win 11 in a row at some point. Listen. We done well this season We didn’t quite make it. Saints wer out bogey team and we fell short. Today too many players showed their nerves I thought and their quality didn’t show. Rutter Gnonto and Summerville all didn’t play well at all and that cost us. Along with the bad mistake at the back to create their goal. Is what it is. Bios on this as I for one didn’t expect to go up after the upheaval of the start off season. Onward too next year. MOT ALAW ⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️???.
3.) 27 May 2024 05:36:55
Was Farke supposed to be crying on the floor like a baby.?
Good grief.
4.) 27 May 2024 06:34:50
I somewhat feel the same Jungle. Bearing in mind what Farke inherited I think we’ve done very well to get this far. I think Phil Hay has previously outlined that the 49’ers have a two year plan. Of course to be this close it’s frustrating not to win - but we honestly didn’t look close yesterday did we? We were exhilarating at times this season - but also lightweight - just like a Bielsa team. We still can’t beat physical, organised opposition. If CS and Gnonto get sussed by championship defenders they’re not going to fare better against premiership ones. I’d like to see the team Farke puts together. The team needs some steel, some wise leadership and some creativity up the field - but most importantly - it needs to be a team - not a bunch of reasonably good players thrown together at short notice. The 3 that went up last season have come back down and aside from perhaps NF, which other prem team is going to finish in the bottom 3 ahead of the 3 that are going up this season?
5.) 27 May 2024 09:03:52
Yes Batty we did string a number of wins together, but I was talking about really good performances and the two are not necessarily the same thing.
6.) 27 May 2024 09:51:24
Long winded or not, it’s a sensible post explaining the realities Jungle. ????
And Baz, like OP says, is he supposed to be a beefing cabbage curled up in a corner, whimpering pathetically?
No. He’s a pro coach and manager, and already has his mind focused on prepping the lads mentality for next season! Take it as motivation, learn from the experience, be better next time out etc. I know what I’d rather see from the gaffer!
7.) 27 May 2024 12:34:18
Aha the usual predictablly silly boring hyperbole from Bright Zzzzz (and OP) . no one mentioned your ridiculous "whimpering cabbage in a corner" hyperbole
Winners however HATE to lose . you could see it in people like Sir Alex Ferguson eyes and demeanour hear it in his voice.
None of that from DF yesterday in a HUGELY important match!
8.) 27 May 2024 15:45:58
Of course, everyone is the same Baz, forgot that part of human character!
Hyperbole, hyperbole, hyperbole. There, and I still haven’t used it half as much as you have in two posts.
Sir Alex was a one off, an exception, and unique. I guess that will fall under the hyperbole hammer too, eh?
9.) 27 May 2024 18:00:15
Forgot to add that that was also a very good post Manston! ????.
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27 Sep 2025 10:19:31
It has been the top of my wish list for longer than I care to remember and I am running out of years. ?.
15 Sep 2025 13:20:24
Mo (or should that be Baz? )
Thank you for your very meaningful contribution to the discussion.
06 Jan 2025 06:52:09
I hope I will wake up tomorrow to find this thread is a bad joke.
If not, I wish you guys all the best and hope that, after some time to refresh and recharge, we will see you back here in the not too distant future.
03 Jul 2024 04:11:13
Because Baz, I have a personal dislike of seeing very talented young players being chewed-up, spat out and wasted.
For me it is not a Leeds thing, or a particular fondness for Archie, it is just a general dislike of something that occurs fairly often.
27 Jun 2024 15:52:18
Thanks for another great review Dill.
As an aside, does anyone know who the Leeds scouts are and what their backgrounds are?
I am just a little curious as to why they do not seem to be able to identify potential gems like this.