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27 Feb 2024 21:44:04
Unless they are injured, I see Leicester have rested Dewsbury-Hall, Winks, Mavadidi and Daku (? ) tonight. Also the goalie and Faes.

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27 Feb 2024 11:56:56
Even if it's not 2 vs 3 (or even 1 vs 2) the Southampton game will not go away as a Massive fixture for everyone. The place will be rocking and even if they move it to Wembley it will be a sell out.
I predict a riot!
Not literally (before I get accused of inciting) but I do love an atmosphere; A party with a happy atmosphere. and away we go!

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27 Feb 2024 20:48:28
1st vs 2nd? . hmmm

Or.

If it's 3rd vs 4th with the Ipswich " Gonners" having already secured 2nd

the Leeds vs Southampton game will be a meaningless anti climax

A tad careful with the slightly dangerous presumptions Leo of dismissing Leicester and Ipswich . check table Gonners in 3rd have same points as Leeds in 2nd . BOTH some way ahead of Saints.

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27 Feb 2024 21:54:03
Wont lie, it's getting boring now is that gonners comment, Baz. Don't need to mention it every post. It's been said, some disagree. Let's move on.

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27 Feb 2024 10:37:56
I'm first in with prediction for Chelsea game that I see as realistically could be anything between 4-0 and 0-4. Depends if he rests key players. Full bottle first team I reckon 2-2. Rest a few then 3-1.

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27 Feb 2024 11:34:30
Good news
Luckily a game we can't lose? Play the kids, play the first team, get beaten, concentrate on the league - win
Play the kids, play the first team, win - crest of a wave - win
Bad news
Play the first team, Joe gets bad injury - gutted!

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27 Feb 2024 12:29:06
According to the oracle that is facebook, DF has come out and basically said that he prioritises the league over the FA cup. Good lad, 100% agree.

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27 Feb 2024 13:11:24
Agree too Koch but I think his ego too big. I expect Jimmy and gray rested. Business as usual apart.
Don’t really care. Love to be Chelsea but love sooo much more to beat hud.

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27 Feb 2024 14:58:53
Gio has an abductor issue, Bam ha shin and ankle knocks, and Cre has some other niggle of sorts. I think DF is already teeing us up for a less experienced side.

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27 Feb 2024 15:08:13
Jeez Aus, need to check before posting haha.

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27 Feb 2024 18:20:09
Aussie - you been on the VB again? 🤣.

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27 Feb 2024 20:51:17
Chelsea vs Leeds 1970 cup replay

Re reminded just now on Beeb replay of match just how much I despise Chelsea ( more than Devon )

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27 Feb 2024 20:56:05
It seems likely that none of Cre, Gio, Bamfordinho will play

Expecting a 2 nil defeat. possibly 2 1

No extra time please
No injuries definitely please

Even though I despise Chelsea not bothered at. all if they (narrowly) beat Leeds

Cup is an unnecessary distraction from far more important matter.

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26 Feb 2024 19:57:56
So with the Chelsea game coming up I starting thinking about a combined XI and as I am looking at the players I really thought to myself I really would only trade Firpo for Chilwell and I would fit Gallagher in to midfield maybe rotate him with Gruev i think but outside of that I wouldn't swap anyone else in our current team.

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26 Feb 2024 20:19:50
I think Gallagher is overrated. Did you see the gilt edged opportunities he fluffed on Sunday! He will be at Tottingham by the end of the Summer in my opinion.

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26 Feb 2024 21:52:16
Madueke is a good player.

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27 Feb 2024 11:46:35
There are a few more who, if the price was right, I would certainly have in my team but I do agree with the gist of what you are saying Mighty. For a bigbucks team they certainly need a shake up and start again. IF they stick with him, Poch will need two GOOD summers and mega dollars to get them back on track.

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27 Feb 2024 13:12:08
If we win. Pochs gone.

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26 Feb 2024 13:33:32
Jammy Toffees.

{Ed025's Note - it should be the 10 points paid back for me George..

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26 Feb 2024 14:03:24
Ed025 I posted at beginning of the process a suitable points deduction would be 7 or 8. 10 was harsh. 40% reduction embarrasses slightly the original panel imo.

{Ed025's Note - it should have been a financial penalty or a transfer embargo for me George, our overspend was mainly due to raised loan charge interest rates rising which was beyond our control mate, of course im a bit biased though..

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26 Feb 2024 14:16:23
I’ve just seen this, incredible!

If it were ourselves (or any other ‘normal’ club) that would be that but oh no, top six and a tiny handful of others (Everton! ) seem to be exempt!

Please, please, please, Brentford, Forest, Palace and Luton, get your act together and send these cheats down!

Hopefully this action will galvanise the other teams around them to pull their fingers out!

{Ed025's Note - i dont think you grasp what the reason for the overspend was for Cleggy, they have done us no favours at all mate, im actually gutted we never got the full 10 points back..

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26 Feb 2024 14:17:26
Think they are incredibly fortunate, and there remains the second outstanding charge (along with Forest) which must be concluded by Monday 08th April, so they could be sliding down another snake yet.

Whilst I maintain Everton are incredibly fortunate and this points sanction for THIS season still does not in my view fairly compensate the teams relegated as a result of Everton’s proven breaches which have resulted in the independent panel’s stayed six point deduction,

I do not think our own case is as strong as Leicesters or Burnley and I hope they secure fair financial recompense from Everton when all the findings have been reached as this proves it was not a fair playing field for the teams relegated.

Wolves have been very transparent in releasing, selling star players and not entertaining any new transfers in order to stay in compliance where as Everton have clearly more than once, been found to have deliberately spent far more than was permissible.

However, if you were an Everton fan you would still be LIVID how these cases can be brought, completed, sanctioned, before Citeh have been required to answer even one of their reported over one hundred alleged infractions.

{Ed025's Note - i expect we will still get another 6 point deduction Cof 92, and thats why i dont think we should accept the appeal decision mate, the amount of overspend has not been updated for 10 years while prices have risen as we all know, i dont believe in FFP myself as if i won the lottery no one is telling me what i can buy and how much i spend, its draconian..

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26 Feb 2024 15:14:06
Excellent 👍 post Class.

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26 Feb 2024 15:16:31
Ed025 FFP is one of the best things to happen to the sport. If it wasn't there, the game would be ruined at the highest level.

{Ed025's Note - its unfair for me George, the bigger revenue you have the more you can spend, its making the bigger clubs with the biggest crowds and bigger sponsorships even more elite, it ensures that no middle or lower tier teams can ever compete with the sly 6, thats how i see it anyway mate..

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26 Feb 2024 15:25:22
Please enlighten me Ed 25 - what was the overspend for then?

{Ed025's Note - it was mainly due to the building cost and interest rates going up for the new ground mate..

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26 Feb 2024 17:09:03
Should have taken a fixed rate loan or reduced spending when rates went up, that's what the rest of us have to do so we don't overspend Vs our budget!

{Ed025's Note - if you have a crystal ball maybe Canada, the pandemic sent prices of building materials sky high mate and who could have forecast that and the hike in interest rates, the price went up from £500m to £750m for Bramley Moore and that should have been taken into consideration..

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26 Feb 2024 17:48:29
Actually Class, given that both Everton and Forest are being charged in respect of the 2022/ 23 season (in which we were relegated) , if both are subsequently found to have actually infringed FFP, our case against both is as strong as Leicester’s.

{Ed025's Note - none of the clubs have any case Clueless, it was found in the report that our breech did not effect the relegation of any other club..

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26 Feb 2024 18:07:23
The rules are there for everyone (except Man City of course) , if Everton have exceeded them, then they should be punished. Two of the nine infringements have been found by the panel to be technically incorrect therefore I would say that the points deduction should be more in line with that - should be a seven point deduction not six.

{Ed025's Note - everyone has their own opinion i suppose Cleggy, mine is that we still got shafted and it should have either been a monetary fine or a transfer embargo, after all the sly 6 who wanted to abandon the league and set up the new European Super League got a slap on the wrist..how is that fair mate?, i can actually understand the bitterness because you went down and we stayed up, but that was basically because we earned more points..

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26 Feb 2024 18:29:26
All the more reason to have taken a fixed rate loan when rates were down Ed.
Either way they could have stopped spending on players etc once rates went up but didn't, so made a conscious decision.
2nd charge should carry a higher penalty for a repeat offender, not sure if it does though?

{Ed025's Note - hindsight is a wonderful thing Canada, on the 2nd charge it seems likely that it will be either a fine or an embargo mate as some of the charges are part of the first points deduction case..

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26 Feb 2024 19:47:58
Ed - that was in respect of the previous season (and is possibly arguable within a different forum anyway) but we cannot prejudge what the panel will say in respect of the 2022/ 23) - hence my earlier comment said ‘if they are found guilty’.

{Ed025's Note - oh we will be found guilty Clueless i have no doubt about that mate, but because some of the charges are related to seasons which we have already been punished for it will not be as harsh hopefully...double jeopardy..

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26 Feb 2024 23:32:44
I got to say I ding agree with ffp on any level but with what happened to leeds I want to see Everton relegated and city and chealsea thrown out of the leauge and pep has to stay at the club!

Personally I don’t mind Everton but if Everton was leeds we’d of been deducted 30 points by now.

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27 Feb 2024 06:52:06
Sorry Ed you won’t get much sympathy coming from Leeds fans concerning the points deductions.
Leeds were hammered by the EFL for not abiding to the rules like Everton, whichever league it is or whatever excuses are made.
Everton are very lucky to have these 4 points given back, we weren’t given that privilege.
Justice should be served to all teams who break the rules.

{Ed025's Note - i will have that OP and yes Everton deserve sanctions for breaking the rules, but it has to be realistic mate and fair to all teams, where are the rules when it comes to City and Chelsea?..

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27 Feb 2024 07:34:37
My only involvement in this debate, which is far, far more complexed than rags like the currant bun would have you believe, is to agree with you OP. And also Ed on the Citeh and Chelsea Rothschilds, although their cases are yet even more complexed than the Everton ones.

{Ed025's Note - we got done for 1 breach Brighty whereas the like of City have got 115 cases to answer for mate going back a number of years, so we have nothing to compare our punishment with and for me they should have been sanctioned first..

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27 Feb 2024 09:27:37
100% Ed every team needs to be sanctioned if they break the rules, that definitely goes for Man City, Chelsea and Forest.

{Ed025's Note - i dont have a problem with that OP, i just dont think its fair that we are the test case mate when City,s cheating started years before us..

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27 Feb 2024 09:51:31
Ed - inevitably some of the ‘charges’ relate to two years already considered under the previous investigation, because charges always relate to a rolling three year period. The key point this time round is that against the background of the previous year’s losses, Everton failed to address the resultant overspend position. For example whilst they made net profit on transfers, due to the large receipts for Richarlison and Gordon, they did nothing to address the significantly high wage to turnover ratio - in fact the opposite. Richarlison had been on £90k a week and Gordon on only £10k. New signings Onana and Tarkovski were made joint 3rd highest earners on £100k and returning Idrissa Gueye was on £80k. All three were very significant players for the club that season and played a key role in their remaining in the Prem. It’s the club’s failure to amend its ways, despite very clear knowledge of the requirements to do so, that should lead to at least six points deduction.

Returning to the earlier point re impact on other clubs staying in the Prem and any claim they might have against the Toffees - the above point alone would be enough for the layman on the street to see validity in the argument of impact - any panel concluding otherwise would be failing in its duty.

{Ed025's Note - i get what you are saying Clueless but all our dealing were done with consultation with the Premier league who were overseeing things in the latter stages mate, you do make some valid points though and if i was one of the other teams who got relegated i would probably be saying the same thing..

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27 Feb 2024 10:59:33
What is a realistic financial penalty to a Billionaire?
This whole situation, start to finish is a quaqmire. There has to be a quicker response to any found or suspected breaches. To have any case exceed the season is unacceptable. Then if found guilty the defendant must have strict punishments enforced immediately be that transfer embargo or points deduction. Every case should be heard by an independent panel and all parties (all football clubs) should have signed an agreement binding them to the decision. No appeals dragging on.
The parameters for compliance should also be adjusted every year to reflect current costs, failing that som sort of linked increase should be applied.
The saddest part of all of this, no matter who the team, is the ones who suffer, really suffer, is the poor, neglected fan. Again!

{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with any of that Leodis, but city should have been the first case tried mate as their breaches go back a long time before us..

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27 Feb 2024 11:40:07
Like I said Ed - Quagmire.

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27 Feb 2024 11:41:16
Sorry Ed, the whole c.v. sending costs spiralling isn't the full [or adequate] explanation for the overspend. First and foremost, we were in the middle of the .c.v. when Everton finally received planning permission for their stadium. They never physically started their stadium construction until after the final lockdown. There was plenty of time to curb the spending or even postpone the start if costs were spiralling. Fair enough, costs may have spiralled since, however these overspends arise actually before construction started of the stadium. No doubt their costs forecast were going to increase in the future, but that's like me saying next years holiday, should I book it, is going to cost more than I thought; but it's cost me nothing until I do.

Remember, Everton also claimed the cost of c.v., empty stadium, Furlough costs etc was the highest in the EPL by a very significant amount.

{Ed025's Note - im not saying we are innocent in any of this Ani, mistakes and maybe even fraud were committed by Everton, we do deserve punishment but in my view the punishment was too harsh mate and they could have hit us with many other sanctions that would have been more fitting, but im bound to say that, for me City should have been first in line..

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26 Feb 2024 13:34:56
Everton have their points deduction reduced to 6.

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26 Feb 2024 13:56:30
No surprises there then. I think most thought it would be reduced by some amount. Hopefully they still go down, and Jack makes his move permanent after apparent reports he wants to make his move permanent even if we go back up.

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26 Feb 2024 15:27:04
MG Not quite. His stance is he wants to remain in the EPL. I can see him joining the Toffees on a permanent.

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26 Feb 2024 17:55:29
The reduction to 6 points is in respect to charges over 2021/ 22 season, Everton are still awaiting the outcome of investigation etc on charges in respect of 2022/ 23. If found guilty, they should really be docked another 6 - or could be argued it should be higher as repeat offence. In actuality the authorities will probably bottle it and settle for four - taking the total to the original 10 deducted. Either that or they’ll allow the case to get kicked into next season.

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26 Feb 2024 18:15:35
Nice to hear from you Clu, hope you’re good Pal.

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26 Feb 2024 18:59:43
the second charge against Neverton one would assume will be held after this season ends .

So Luton Forest or Neverton for 3rd R spot. likely the former.

{Ed025's Note - no Baz it must be concluded this season, so its likely we will survive mate, after all we have never been relegated yet, so we cannot be labelled a yo-yo club like some teams i could mention.. :)

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26 Feb 2024 19:02:41
Any actual direct quotes from JH that he wants to leave Leeds United even if they are promoted

No?

Thought so!

#'sources " = clickbait bs.

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27 Feb 2024 07:37:05
Spot on Baz. Nothing, nowt, nishto, nicht, nada, zip, zilch.
However, I do think he will leave us, as he is more likely to get starts elsewhere, which he would not be guaranteed with us right now imo.

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Speculation On Manchester United's Next Manager

26 Feb 2024 07:39:32
{Ed's Note - Shappy has posted a new article entitled, Speculation On Manchester United's Next Manager

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26 Feb 2024 13:35:30
Klopp.

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26 Feb 2024 14:04:07
Ole at the Wheel.

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26 Feb 2024 14:18:04
Rooney or Lampard would be good I think.

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26 Feb 2024 17:09:50
Isn't Ted looking for an EPL role?

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26 Feb 2024 19:04:30
Would lurve Brenty to become Bournemouth " coach " soon.

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26 Feb 2024 01:01:07
Think we all have to be realistic here.
Chelsea although underperforming are still a mid table prem team.
Even if we get promoted we would still need to considerably strengthen just to stay in prem let alone be mid table.
This is Chelsea's last hope of silverware and poch will know, lose this game and his gone.
They will be up for it.
I just want to give em hell and if we win all well and good. Just do our best.
As for team selection. Our fringe will have no chance so if we want to win. First team only.

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26 Feb 2024 09:58:49
You know what I’m not sure we would need to strengthen. I think this current team stays in this years prem. I honestly do.

Of course we will strengthen and if farke is given anything like the money bubs got and spends it like he has done so far I think we’d be nearer the top than the bottom

I honestly think this is a very good side.

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26 Feb 2024 12:58:33
Interesting post berm.
Not going to disagree.
We have players on fire right now. But that’s winning momentum. Few prem bashings on the bounce might be different.
Gotta be honest. Gio is our success. Regardless of what Danny and Jimmy have done he is the difference.
Keep him and the world is our oyster bar ( pun. My local. ) .
Others of note to keep amps gruev kam gray rods. Leaves us 3 short at least.

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26 Feb 2024 13:43:29
not like you to be so cheery Aus

Its not what you spend it's who it is spent on and the value in the signings

Bielsa didn't get much value out of the signings of Koch (injured) , JKA, or Rodrigo (injured) and that was a combined 64million Euros.

We have spent less this season and got much more which is what happens when you have a decent DOF in position.

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25 Feb 2024 20:18:03
Taken from Chelsea fan's forum earlier today.

"Unforgivable loss, this club is done at the top level, this lot of players and manager are beyond useless, chokers of the highest order, its simply pathetic. I'm lost for words at the sh*t i'm witnessing. This club has lost its identity, if Poch has any self respect he should resign. This is beyond laughable".

Things might be about to get worse for you my cork knee.

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25 Feb 2024 20:20:32
Oops pressed send accidentally but u get the gist :-)

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25 Feb 2024 20:25:45
Reads like one of my posts 2022/ 23 🤣.

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25 Feb 2024 21:06:56
Classic Baz :) ) ) )

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25 Feb 2024 21:25:21
Let's take them Chavs down to Farke Town.

Want to see Summertime cupping his ear after scoring aimed toward their fans, Willy breakdancing and another Bambam worldie. Let's rub it in.

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26 Feb 2024 14:20:33
Reads like most of your posts 23/ 24 as well tbh Baz.

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26 Feb 2024 16:07:19
Come on Cuppa. don't be disingenuous!

And put kettle on Alfie .2 sugars easy on milk . cheers 🤣.

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25 Feb 2024 19:13:24
Happy Sunday bruvvers an sisters. I thought, for what it's worth, I would share my opinion on Wednesday. I think we should absolutely play our strongest side. Opportunities have to be reached for when they present themselves otherwise there is no point. I guarantee every member of our squad is desperate to test themselves against Chelsea. It's a free hit and win win and a place in the quarters is up for grabs. We have to strive to achieve. Plus I got a tenner at 66/ 1 😆😆.

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25 Feb 2024 20:33:46
It’s a gamble playing the best yes I understand but at what cost if 4 players pick up injures we don’t want a play off place, will need a long rest for the journey to PL and you just have to look at how May times bam bam and and others have been out and Stuart still out.

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25 Feb 2024 20:35:39
66/ 1 sounds enticing good odds for Leeds United to win FA cup

but then the last time a team outside top division was four and a half decades ago

before youngsters Chris, Alf and Brighty (😀) , were even born!

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25 Feb 2024 20:37:58
A better bet to actually win money is Leeds to beat a tired, possibly dispirited, not very good Chelsea at 11/ 2.

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25 Feb 2024 20:46:10
Throw the kitchen sink at Chelsea, that means all our youth players.

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25 Feb 2024 21:11:47
Sorry Whiteman disagree. We have just come through 2 months of playing 8 times each. Injuries can happen anytime especially against inferior teams who play physical. We have travelled miles in the last few weeks and still come out and won after. The human body is designed to be active. I learned all about that when I got heart failure. Being sedentary serves disaster, that's why obesity is such a problem. It's the mind that drives everything and you have to ride the wave. This is no time for caution. Fortune favours the brave for a reason. We only have 12 league games in a couple of months or so. Give it large and bring it on UTWDTP.

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26 Feb 2024 09:22:21
I'm with you Vid. it's a free hit and if we won, imagine how that would boost the confidence of the team; correspondingly, imagine fielding a weakened team, just losing and how bad that might be.

We have to play the game; we have to play on Saturday regardless. let's put our best options out there and go for it. Wembley would be one game away. If we are going to Wembley this season, far better via the cup that the alternative!

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26 Feb 2024 13:44:54
i might have just been born. I am a sprightly 46 this year. Who was it Baz and what year?

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26 Feb 2024 14:05:11
Alf Hammers I think.

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26 Feb 2024 14:23:41
correct George - 1979-1980 apparently so I was around, just, but not very interested in the game on the day at just shy of 1 year old (ahhh)

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26 Feb 2024 17:15:51
Younger than me then Alfie boy! 😫🥹.

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26 Feb 2024 19:08:44
46 Alf? Had you down as younger .
Yes 2nd Div Wet Spam 1979/ 80 beating Gooooners

Also 1976 2nd Div Saints beating Devon

We shall gloss over a teary Baz 1973🙄.

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