Leeds banter 9

24 Sep 2026 16:33:59
Well done to Callum Mills under 21 last night definitely one for the first team Farkey very impressed 3 goals.

24 Sep 2026 16:31:57
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Matchday 5 - Quick Round Up

24 Sep 2026 11:01:01
You couldn't make this stuff up. Scarecrow lookalike Uncle Jim Ratcliffe is selling off the pitch at the theatre of wet dreams in 7cm squares to the gullible sheep that follow his club. All to help pay off the 1 billion + debt they are in.

24 Sep 2026 13:12:03
At £125 a pop!

24 Sep 2026 13:43:40
Embarrassing is all I can say.
Makes me think that their situation is worse than most perceive ?
Or does Uncle Jimmy always do stuff like this ?

24 Sep 2026 13:30:52
Put me down for a dozen!!

Listening to the radio the other day, one of the Man U supporters club members described Ratcliffe as 'the penniless billionaire' - stories like this make it believable!

What a little w@nk3r that guy really is!

24 Sep 2026 15:38:40
He is the grim reaper Cleggy! A right miserable sod to say he lives in Monaco and is rolling in cash.

24 Sep 2026 16:18:59
Took its time what goes round comes round how about the FA looking in to these clubs with massive debts still thay will say they have a massive fan base and can cover it 🤷🏻‍♂️.

25 Sep 2026 01:38:38
He'll need to find a heck of a lot of gullible suckers, the Old Trashyard pitch is 105 by 68 metres, which would yield 1,455,000 7cm squares. At £125 a pop, that'd bring in nearly £182 million,

25 Sep 2026 08:35:32
I'm going to buy a piece or 2 for my cat's litter tray.

25 Sep 2026 15:45:17
Plenty of sheep JR, the first lot has sold out.

23 Sep 2026 09:31:49
Remember Mad Mick, Martyn, Woody, Bermondsey and all the other legends.

But more importantly do you remember when this site was fun and a laugh every single day, including laughing at our own misfortunes and injustices.

This was throughout all our trials and tribulations to get to the promised land and and end up in best position both in terms of credible financial security and playing squad in twenty plus years?

Sadly the site is becoming more and more about its contributors jockeying for pole position or notoriety and seldom about the team, or games.

Now I'm the first to say I'm a walking contradiction here, as I always promote ignore it if you don't like it, but for the first time ever I'm thinking is it worth it anymore it's getting fractured and tiresome, dare I say boring.

And if it's only going to be about individuals proving that
only their narrative counts, maybe time for a sabbatical me thinks.

Ed's do a fantastic job and suspended or permanently removed individuals who crossed the line, but I genuinely do not understand why it's gone in this direction.

Maybe see you again after a break, cheers.

23 Sep 2026 14:00:24
It's just about opinions. Some are vindictive others aren't. I take most with a pinch of salt. Say my piece. Move on. Don't really care about most other opinions. Some are reasonable. Most not. I think the main thing is to try and be dignified and understand others don't agree with you, and not care about it.

As much as possible.
Don't think bermo or integrity were ever humorous tbh. Anyway. My opinion.

23 Sep 2026 14:24:32
100% miss Woody, he was a gent and a great poster.
Come back soon Class as you'll be sorely missed in the meantime.

23 Sep 2026 15:21:04
Yeah Class, those you mention were great posters, hope they are all ok. Especially miss Mick with his scooter and shell suits. Its ying and yang really, neither would exist without the other, but me too i think. Here is to a thrilling season UTWDTP lads, enjoy 😎.

23 Sep 2026 17:56:02
Totally agree with that pov, Class. If you do opt for a break, please be sure to come back!
I know, from a personal perspective, the "block" feature has been a blessing!

23 Sep 2026 18:17:02
It may surprise some but I appreciate everyone's contribution on this forum although it does look vindictive and hateful sometimes from one to another, I'm not convinced there's any real nastiness.

We are all passionate Leeds fans with differing opinions on here which I find very healthy, it does sometimes go over the top and a little too heated, but we do have a choice to sit it out and not dig in.

I think we've more or less all had our moments, apart from you Class, you're incredibly measured and balanced poster on here, you my friend bring the normality to this sometimes crazy box of frogs.
You are greatly appreciated by myself.

Ive traveled a lot around this planet in my life and on my travels I've met many Leeds fans from far and wide and it's very rare where face to face I've not had a special affinity with a Leeds brother.
I think where it can go wrong on an Internet football forum is that we are not face to face.
Posts are often misread or misunderstood but also when you are hidden, the human effect is lost.
I'm sure i would find a very positive connection with any Leeds fan on this forum when we are communicating about our amazing football club.

So i wouldn't get too upset by the perceived friction it's not as bad as it appears, or at least I hope it isn't 🤣.

23 Sep 2026 18:32:25
Don't leave it to long Class, I hope I can speak for most of us that your contributions are well thought out and respected.

23 Sep 2026 20:17:07
Hope you decide to come back at some point Class; Class by name and Class by nature. I have always appreciated your contribution because it's always authentic and well balanced.

I know how you feel, it does get a bit loathsome at time around here, and I myself took a month or two away last year, but in the end, everyone has a valid and valued contribution to make even if it grinds at times. I agree, a bit more banter wouldn't go a miss!

I'll say this, even though me and Baz seldom agree on much or anything, when he had his enforced "sabbatical, " I genuinely missed his contribution. It's what makes the world go around, well until it stops!

Me and Baz, will agree on this, we will both miss your contribution to the site.

23 Sep 2026 20:09:44
Fink you need a few words of wisdom from Chris Chris,

Co 92 your 1 of the stalwarts here, who just get on with articulating your point so succinctly so regularly.

This site is made all the better from posters like yourself, your clearly wet knowledgeable on our subject matter so you can't be finking about yabba Dabba doing 1.
,Chris Chris says a big fat No to your thoughts on that subject.

So with that sorted 🤣,I now prescribe a full break till 10 October and we all go again

As OP said bottom line it's seldom anyone finds a knob head Leeds fan in real life so when it gets you down on here just skip on through the post and put it away mentally then

No more thoughts given to it pal

Always enjoyed reading your words.

23 Sep 2026 21:21:00
Cheers Ani much appreciated. I enjoy your posts too.

23 Sep 2026 21:24:38
Thanks Chris succinct as always my friend 🤣 and many thanks for the really kind posts above and, truly just to clarify I genuinely have no beef with any particular individual (cue Monty python life of Brian) but just missed the laughs rather than the jousting which is fine but got a bit full on and the biggest theme of the site, as opposed to the team.

Now I have an excellent offer from an old mucker Jeff (if you know you know) to lead the Leeds stadium improvement project so that will tie me up for a bit but have put a note in the diary for 10 October Chris, as it's an easy banker away game why not see where we go. But ALAW!

23 Sep 2026 21:50:59
I feel the same sadly, its very different hence why I'm refraining a little now.

24 Sep 2026 08:03:24
Ah, the Eye of the Tiger, Survivor Jeff! The original mystic Meg; " and the new manager's name has a 'D' in it"! 🤔🤣.

24 Sep 2026 12:02:25
Come back soon class enjoy your posts mainly. agree with a lot of reasons hence i mainly read and rarely post nowadays. UTWDTP
MOT for a n exciting rollercoaster season.

24 Sep 2026 14:22:37
Think if Baz EVER says anything positive about Trafford we'll all know that the world is about to end! Constant negativity can be so depressing.

24 Sep 2026 17:07:50
That's simply not true at all Staffs as I have regularly stated on here that Trafford is a good keeper

My point, and its a valid point, I would rather the recruitment had spent a large wedge of £45 million on forward players than a gk.

22 Sep 2026 20:56:09
Leeds United U21s 4, Barnsley 3. Hat trick for 18 yr old Callum Mills.
⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️😀.

22 Sep 2026 23:31:36
It was 4 - 0 after 80 mins! They played really well though for 60 mins.

22 Sep 2026 23:44:59
Three goals conceded to wee Barnsley
Oops.

23 Sep 2026 01:05:50
We are talking teenagers against grizzled older pros, so any win is good, even only agin wee Barnsley.
At the same time, Accrington Stanley beat Sunderland U21s, Crewe Alexandra beat Aston Villa U21s, Bradford beat Newcastle U21s, Leicester beat Fulham U21s, Luton beat Ipswich U21s and Plymouth Argyle beat Crystal Palace U21s. Also Liverpool U21s only beat Rochdale, and Notts Forest U21s beat Burton Albion after penalty shoot outs.

Leeds United were the only Prem U21s to win in regular time, so don't be too hard on them.

23 Sep 2026 07:51:44
Read that Callum Mills is the youngest hat trick scorer in the cup!

23 Sep 2026 08:55:39
I watched it, and as I said earlier, it was an impressive performance. I was pleased for them that they hung on at the end as an equaliser would have been totally undeserved.

23 Sep 2026 10:36:15
So 2 things

1) Perhaps the authorities wanna have a look at clubs fielding a team of grizzled old pros in a suppposed U21 comp.

Imo ahould be one or two max older players above 21

And

2) Hopefully at least one or two of these young Leeds players actually make it at Leeds

ie eventual first teamers.

23 Sep 2026 11:03:09
The EFL Trophy is not a U21 competition. It's a knock-out tournament for clubs in EFL Leagues One and Two, as well as the "academy teams" of 16 invited Premier League clubs.
The rules state that for the invited teams, there must be a Minimum of six players in the starting line-up who are aged under 21 on 30 June 2026, and can be a Maximum of two players on the team sheet who are aged over 21 and have also made forty or more senior appearances.

23 Sep 2026 11:14:46
Ok JR thanks for info; makes sense
I no longer follow the U21 team.

23 Sep 2026 12:39:26
I don't think a manager has the time to bring any youth through the ranks and into the first team, unless they are exceptional.
Generally most youth players don't make it to the first team because perhaps they are simply not good enough.

Ultimately young players need to be thrown into the deep end from time to time so to develop but that needs patience and perseverance, and patience doesn't exist in football anymore.
It's all about hitting the ground running and being an instant success or you're out.

A managers existence hangs by a thread on a weekly basis in modern day football, he can't afford young players not performing to the level the fans demand.
The youth system which we were very proud of at Leeds United is possibly a derelict place now and that maybe very similar at many other clubs these days.

I honestly can't remember the last academy player made it to the first team as a regular.

23 Sep 2026 13:50:12
OP - Harry Gray, Kalvin Phillips, Archie Gray, Lewis Cook, James Milner and Danny Rose to name a few. Latterly Joe Gelhardt and Pascal Struijk came in and played a few games for the U21s before advancing to the first team squad.

23 Sep 2026 14:04:29
Not sure that made any sense opti. Managers are supposed to do best by the club and team. Not self interest. But yeah. Not so many coming through these days but nothing wrong with blooding in cups. I don't care about cups.

23 Sep 2026 14:05:56
Yes indeed JR.theres been some.
Also doing well Charlie Cresswell, Leif Davis and Max Dean.

23 Sep 2026 19:35:37
With due respect JR, Harry Gray is not a regular first team player, Archie is not with us in the Premiership. Gelhardt and Struijk didn't come through the academy as such, Gelhardt played for Wigan before arriving at Elland rd.


Milner, Rose etc were nearly 30 years ago.
We can buy youngsters from European clubs but there's no homegrown young lads coming through the system since the likes of Milner, Smith and David Batty. etc.

23 Sep 2026 20:09:20
I watched the first 60 minutes of the game and I was blown away at the quality of our play, and all I could think was, at what point is all this quality coached out of them. It's probably a bit far-fetched, but no one on last night first hour wouldn't do a job [a better job] in the first team.

Vincent, on the right week, beat his [grizzly old] man and sent some stunning crosses in. I'm a bit like Baz in that I seldom take the time with the U21's, but given it was on, there was little else competing with it, and it is Leeds after all, I watched. I'll definitely watch some more.

24 Sep 2026 00:39:51
OP, your exact words were "I honestly can't remember the last academy player made it to the first team as a regular". Your memory must be a little hazy because both Archie Gray and Kalvin Phillips did just that, so did a number of others over many years. OK, none are playing for us now, but many more have done so before moving on to play for other clubs, Lewis Cook at Bournemouth, Leif Davis at Ipswich, Lewie Coyle at Hull, Charlie Cresswell at Rennes. True, Joe Gelhardt and Pascal Struijk did not start in our academy, but both came from other clubs and spent a whole year playing for the academy team before moving up to the first team squad.

Equally, the current Leeds squad has a number of players who came through the academies at other clubs, James Trafford at Man City. DCL at Sheffield Utd, Joe Rodon at Swansea etc etc. That's the way the football world works nowadays. Harry Gray and Callum Mills may end up playing for Leeds Utd, or may move on to other clubs, but it is still worthwhile having an academy and cultivating such talent.

24 Sep 2026 06:35:49
I don't dismiss the fact that there are few players that still do come through the youth academies at football clubs including our very own. My point was more about how it has vastly diminished and the reason or reasons why.?
It is still only a small handful of academy players over recent years compared to what it used to be.
My guess as I have mentioned already
is that it is more likely to rising financial stakes which is shifting the focus toward immediate results and more global recruitment and perhaps managers not wanting to risk their precious time and positions in guiding potential youth players to the first. team.
There is an undeniable decrease in the top six clubs today using academy players compared to previous eras.

My memory is fine JR, you just miss my point is all.

22 Sep 2026 09:42:23
Came across this interesting one this morning! 😬🤣

Premier League cost per point this season so far:

20. Tottenham - 2 points - £157.4m per point
19. Aston Villa - 4 points - £64.5m
18. Chelsea - 7 points - £50.0m
17. Coventry City - 3 points - £46.2m
16. Fulham - 2 points - £43.9m
15. Newcastle United - 8 points - £33.6m
14. Ipswich Town - 6 points - £31.6m
13. Manchester City - 15 points - £30.2m
12. Manchester United - 5 points - £29.8m
11. Liverpool - 9 points - £25.8m
10. Nottingham Forest - 5 points - £23.7m
9. Bournemouth - 3 points - £23.2m
8. Hull City - 8 points - £18.9m
7. Crystal Palace - 4 points - £18.3m
6. Arsenal - 12 points - £16.3m
5. Brighton - 10 points - £15.5m
4. Sunderland - 4 points - £15.3m
3. Brentford - 9 points - £11.9m
2. Everton - 9 points - £9.8m
1. Leeds United - 9 points - £9.5m

Based on club's summer spend and points so far this season via @Transfermarkt.

22 Sep 2026 10:28:04
So Leeds with their vastly superior revenue to the 3 promoted clubs have spent £90 million while Hull and Ipswich have spent double and Coventry £50 million more than Leeds.

We are in a very good place and our owners deserve a lot of credit but please do not kid yourselves or use PSR or whatever the latest financial restriction excuse is called to think our lowest spend in the EPL is because of these financial restrictions.it is prudent spending designed to maximise our US owners and investors return which I fully accept they are not in the football club ownership game for charitable reasons and of course they will want a piece of the pie to make it worthwhile but I personally think they are taking too much for themselves as Sunday showed we lack at least 2 more quality additions to be considered a top 6 challenging side which probably would cost at least £50 to £60 million.

Oh well mustn't complain and expect too much I suppose is the brainwashed, obedient and compliant consensus after all it's only our 2nd season in the EPL and we have to be realistic and not entitled and not aim too high as it's only our 2nd season.steady building is the way because it's only our 2nd season.have I mentioned it's only our 2nd season and we shouldn't expect too much??

Yes our owners have been very clever, haven't they indeed, but that's their perogative and I'm sure as long as the majority of the fan base seem to easily accept this as that's just the way it is our owners will give us another lowest spend in the EPL next season.

In my opinion they could easily give Farke a helping hand in January and at least try and bring in a couple of new additions we all recognise are needed on loan if need be and I know there will be the push back reason of it's not that easy to find these players that potentially have to be content with a subs bench blar blar blar.well try I say, look at Man City or Arsenal young B team players at least, look around South America and Africa like Brighton and Brentford seem to do year on year.

Reach for the stars I say and don't settle for just okay because a top 6 finish and European football brings even larger financial rewards so I hope our owners can see this season is a real opportunity to establish Leeds ahead of the likes of Spurs, Villa and Newcastle and on a par with Brentford and Brighton.now I don't think that's too much to ask!

22 Sep 2026 12:22:44
Very interesting Brighty. So funny to see Spurs in the mire - mind you, at least they are top of this particular table:) ) )

22 Sep 2026 13:48:59
So according to the figures above Man City (£30 million x 15 points) spent £450 million in Summer window.
.woah.

22 Sep 2026 14:02:22
This is obviously not net spend?

22 Sep 2026 13:42:38
Very interesting posts by bright and Cheshire. Food for thought. I'd rather me mid table tbh. Not too tight or big spenders. Looks like we might be tight or over performing. Anyway of finding those figures for end of last season bright? Be interesting to see how promoted clubs faired last year ?

22 Sep 2026 13:50:29
Cheshire - all the info you are whining and speculating about is in the public domain. If you do some research you will quickly find out the logical answers to your conspiracy theories.

22 Sep 2026 16:18:43
It's actual laughable that his "answer” to all our problems is 2 signings at a cost of £60 million would get us in the top 6.

As if every club in the world wouldn't spend the extra "£60 million” if that guaranteed you top 6.

The club have said multiple times we are / were close and had to sell pascal to meet the demands.

I wish we would overspend and gamble on getting in the champions league and then gamble on making it past the group stages for the next 6 years, oh wait, hasn't that happened before?

22 Sep 2026 16:50:56
I think there's a somewhat middle ground from Cheshire's reasoned expectations and statements and the sentiments of Alf and Lad

And also

1) Not sure peeps should believe everything they are fed by current owners ( or most owners for that matter )

And

2) defo empathise with Cheshire to ponder how much the Leeds United owners and their gazillion number of individual stakeholders are receiving.thats long been on my mind !

22 Sep 2026 19:54:40
The answer Baz is clearly is not very much if anything, given that we spend more than 85% of our income on the players. Then there is the ground to run, all the back room staff, match day security, lawyers etc. I would hazard a guess, most if not all the stakeholders are well under water and will likely remain that way until the ownership changes.

22 Sep 2026 19:55:48
Surely making the club over time more successful generates more for the stakeholders to keep them happy.
We are not Man Utd that still generates millions upon millions on just their name, not from their achievements which are less than a shadow compared to their past.
The 49er's I'm certain want Leeds United to become more successful and not to be static.

The conspiracy theories are for the fantasists.

22 Sep 2026 20:52:35
Yes Ani the big payday for owners and other minority stakeholders will be when the club is sold for a whopping load more than 49ers purchased Leeds from Radz.
.once stadium expansion and regeneration projects have been completed and with Leeds United hopefully still firmly established in EPL.

22 Sep 2026 20:55:47
Realists OP. not all so called conspiracy theories in the world are baseless.far from it.

22 Sep 2026 21:00:49
Harsh and rude towards Cheshire.

23 Sep 2026 06:11:54
Harsh and rude comments aimed at the owners of our club with no evidence at all to support such brazen accusations.
It's got nothing to do with being a realist at all.

23 Sep 2026 07:41:58
Aus: I'm sure there is bud, but I gotta admit that the above was just something that social media threw out and I shared with the group to have some fun with! (Clearly that went sideways, as usual tho!) 😬🤔🤣.

23 Sep 2026 10:39:14
Not sure the 49ers and other investors are taking anything at the moment, just absorbing ongoing losses and making massive investments. As others have said, they only see a return when they sell the club to the next bunch of suits - be careful what you wish for.

Honestly mate, I hate the petro-capitalist complex that has bought football as much as the next person. And yet, director salaries are far lower than the players'. That's a much bigger consideration in whether they can fling £60M on a couple more.

Don't we all like watching our team play more like Barcelona than Bradford? I do and I think the 49ers are a big party of that improvement. I cannot wait for the ER extension, partly because I cannot get a ticket for love nor money most games, and because it will bring some investment to an unloved part of Leeds which really needs it.

I'm under no illusion about the 49ers' motivation. Personally, I'd choose them over some petrol state dictatorship any day of the week but there we are.

23 Sep 2026 19:42:31
Good post Southern 👍.

22 Sep 2026 07:39:11
{Ed's Note - Davey Sulls has posted a new article entitled, My Thoughts on Liverpool's Start to the Season

21 Sep 2026 14:26:53
My take on yesterday. Not one of our best performances after Monday nights game, but Palace were far better and stronger than Newcastle. After giddy talk by some regarding a challenge for a European place, this was a reality check for us that at this point consolidation is the aim. Our effort yesterday couldn't be faulted but glaringly in a game like that, were crying out for some midfield creativity which was lacking, rectifying this must be a priority in January.

As it is, 5 unbeaten and 9 points on the board is a fine start that the majority of us would have taken. The next 5 games after the break will tell us a lot about what the rest of the season may hold for us.

21 Sep 2026 14:29:35
Fair analysis Feath.

21 Sep 2026 14:30:11
Lurve it Feath. giddy talk by some indeed.

21 Sep 2026 16:05:10
Have a look at our league position and form since City game and still tell me European football is a pipe dream. Not to mention Sunderland coming 7th last season!

21 Sep 2026 16:58:20
I don't fully understand how easy or difficult these financial fair play rules really are to follow and how close we are to them every year if that's true or not. But what I can understand is if you are playing in the PL is a higher % allowed than if playing in Europe.

Would I love to be playing on a Thursday night against teams from around Europe, probably yes. But would I want it at the expense of not having another year of being allowed more to spend on the squad next season. Probably not.

I'd like a decent finish this year and a real push next year for Europe with the stadium increase. 1 season too soon for me. (Based on my little understanding of the FFP / SCR) unless some1 tells me otherwise that it wouldn't effect our ability to improve the squad next season.

21 Sep 2026 17:06:50
I believe you have 15% less to spend when in Europe. However the extra revenue from a good European cup run more than makes up for the shortfall.

21 Sep 2026 17:26:01
Well said Feath as usual!
I think people have under estimated Palace they won 4.0 in Europe other night & won the Conference Cup last year!
A point is a point on & on!
Up The Whites Down The Pints 💛💙🤍!

21 Sep 2026 18:12:53
Corkey, do you know if the spend is based on current seasons income or last season's?
Could make it tricky for those that gamble on a successful season.

21 Sep 2026 19:41:15
Google Premier League SCR rules and it's all there to read. Basically, Premier League clubs are capped at spending 85% of their football-related revenue on squad costs (wages, transfer amortisation, and agent fees) . Clubs playing in European competitions are bound by UEFA's stricter 70% cap. The %ages apply to this season's expenditure, not last season.


Personally, whilst I'd to finish as high up the table as possible, I'd not want to qualify for Europe this season cos I don't think we're ready for it yet. Next year with another year's PL experience under our belts, and the stadium upgrades staring to come online, then we shall see.

21 Sep 2026 21:59:38
JR mate, you'd like to finish as high up as possible yet don't want to qualify for Europe?

21 Sep 2026 22:19:46
It's based on this season's expenditure and income, Canada. We're within the 85% and can go up to 115% without points deductions. If we go above 85 then it reduces our percentage in following seasons.
Currently Bournemouth and Chelsea are in the red danger zone.

21 Sep 2026 23:00:43
Yes Corkey, I'm being contradictory aren't I. This season European qualification goes down to 8th, though next year it could be 7th depending on circumstances, so ideally I might be happy to finish 9th. However, I always want us to win every game, and if it comes to the last match of the season, and winning will take us to 8th I'll still want to win.

Then I'd approach the next season with trepidation knowing we'd have to fit in at least 6 group stage games on top of our regular PL, FA Cup and League cup commitments, and I don't think we have a big enough squad for that yet. This is all hypothetical for now, so let's just see how we do.

22 Sep 2026 18:51:19
I get where you are coming from JR but when will the right time be to potentially play in Europe?
If it were to happen next season after a fabulous 6th place finish then I for one will be ecstatic and raring to go.

Will Leeds fans really be saying "oh sugar we've qualified for Europe too early and are squad is not good enough and we are doomed”. I doubt it.
Let's see where we end up.

23 Sep 2026 07:50:30
Purely my own thoughts, but while European nights are fantastic, being there next season doesn't sit well with the constraints we are operating in, and building a solid foundation to stabilise the club in the EPL.
For context, bringing on BA and DJ as subs was labelled as uninspiring, but we don't have much choice, as we can't afford to upgrade them yet, or have them sat on the bench with similar calibre replacements in other positions.

Until we have that strength in depth, Europe will act as something detrimental, rather than beneficial to our progression, imo.

21 Sep 2026 14:11:37
At least we have tomorrow night's game to look forward to in this enforced footballing "lull". Looking forward to watching the U21s vs Barnsley!

21 Sep 2026 14:34:00
Not really interested in u21s these days

The thing is we had the Howard Wilko / David Oleary babes of Kewell, Harte, Woody, Smithy etc come through and prosper in 1st team

But these days our young uns are just sold by our current regime.