Leeds banter 2

07 May 2024 20:03:30
Controversial opinion
Is it time we did an Arsenal and look at new anthem, something more modern and a bit more rousing . I'm beginning to think marching on together is sounding a little stale and dated.

07 May 2024 21:05:31
Er, no.

07 May 2024 21:28:16
Without wanting to sound too negative, no.

07 May 2024 22:01:51
No way sister.

07 May 2024 22:08:04
Absolutely not. We have the best anthem of all.

07 May 2024 22:18:01
How about 2 anthems. a new one and existing one.

07 May 2024 23:03:01
We should never change our anthem! Best Anthem in the world.

08 May 2024 09:56:25
Maybe kaiser chief could up date ours.

Oooooo marching on together!
Oh marching on together!

08 May 2024 11:16:46
Lol Ben!

07 May 2024 14:10:27
It's a ltd company btw who are owed the cash.

07 May 2024 14:09:43
Question that maybe Ani maybe able to answer

If a company are declared insolvent and are in debt to many sub contractors, can the subbys offset the loses against their revenue annual tax bill?

07 May 2024 16:32:01
Call the Toffees better accountancy hotline 📞☎️. Then try Florist 🌲 for a second opinion.

07 May 2024 18:18:23
😂😂😂
Brillo Blanco.

08 May 2024 06:21:15
Yes Chris…if a company is unlikely to receive money, they can either continue to hold that money in the accounts (in the hope they may ultimately get paid) or right-off the debt. The latter reduces profit / increases the losses and therefore, any corporation tax due at the end of the year of the net outcome is commensurately reduced.

08 May 2024 16:43:21
I should add, if VAT has been involved and the company has paid VAT on the money / debt, then this can also be recovered back.

08 May 2024 21:07:57
Thank for your insight Ani👏

Had a feeling you would know company law well

Cheers pal.

07 May 2024 10:01:30
Fair enough Dougie my post is pretty despondent regarding Leeds play off chances which reading it again this morning I forgot to take into account that Bamford and James should be rested and fit to play who we missed really badly at QPR and Southampton so even as I write this now the doom and gloom is starting to lift and is being replaced by genuine excitement and a beautiful euphoric visualisation of Farke's men being triumphant at Wembley with 40,000 ecstatic Leeds fans giving it back large to the rival supporters who mocked us.

Our form has not been great, hense my original pessimism but with a couple of key players back plus Roberts too we can get our early 2024 impressive run going again and experience promotion Wembley style that Leicester and Ipswich fans will be extremely envious of.

Yes positive thoughts Dougie you are right, it's impossible for me to be neutral to not care and switch off my Leeds United allegiances I was kidding myself or meakly protecting myself, so yes I shall man up wear my lucky Leeds socks and suffer and then enjoy the ride these next 3 games takes us all on. MOT.

07 May 2024 18:35:10
That's the spirit CW, I feel like a coach now lol. Tgeres too much grey cloud on here somewhere, but not dismissing some realism either. We are all ALAW and MOT or we're not, but that's my rose tinted glasses.

07 May 2024 01:24:33
I was quite resigned Saturday night to our season being done regarding promotion as I convinced myself that the side are shot and look incapable of beating anyone.

A few days later and although I still don't feel that confident about first overcoming Norwich and if we did manage to do that then it's difficult to see anything other than final disappointment against Southampton or WBA who we've only managed a solitary point against both sides and that came courtesy of a late marauding Luke Ayling leaping like a salmon to equalise.

So accepting another season in the Championship is odds on and taking all the social media teasing from other clubs fans on the chin I have freed myself from any anxiety or expectations in the 2 Norwich games and feel almost detached and a neutral observer which I shall be for both games on tv and see them as a free hit and with nothing to lose.

Nowr maybe my emotional switch off and relaxed attitude will change if the Norwich tie ends up being decided on penalties but I'll face that possibility if it comes and similarly in a Wembley final which apart from a 4-3 Charity Shield win against Liverpool in 1992 I have never seen Leeds win there and again would go into such a game with pretty low expectations but first things first Norwich.

I personally feel if Leeds are to have a chance of getting through the tie they need to win at Carrow Road by 2 goals as I am not convinced the first team can put in another strong performanc in only 3 days later and anticipate Norwich beating us at Elland but
again that's my resigned to another season in the Championship mindset speaking which I sincerely hope is wrong.

Till Sunday then and let's hope this board is a wash with complimentary remarks about Leeds dominate performance which sees us going into the 2nd leg at least 2 goals to the good. MOT.

07 May 2024 06:52:31
Cheshire, if football was played on paper meaning stats etc we’d probably lose these play off games, but football often goes against statistical information and turns results upside down.

Anything can happen pal, especially in the play offs.

Nothing is decided, it’s simply like a random roll of the dice in my opinion.

07 May 2024 08:24:07
Crikey Cheshire hope I don't get stuck in a lift with you. So you are a Leeds fan that wants to be neutral, as you expect us to lose and therefore won't be dissapointed.
Pal, life is a rollercoaster you just got to ride it. You got to have faith. We need to get Physical, then it's Que sera sera. And when it's all said and done we will all be Happy Talking.
I hope you all noted the songs 🤣.

07 May 2024 09:45:44
It was life is a minestrone dougie. Not roller coaster.

07 May 2024 10:11:28
Personally, I think we'll easily beat Norwich.
I also think WBA will beat Southampton and it'll be a Leeds v WBA final 🤔🤔
The winner of this clash, will hopefully be Leeds United 👏👏.

07 May 2024 18:36:45
Aus, Westlife never sung a song about a bowl of soup.

07 May 2024 22:10:02
Wasn't it Ronan Keating?

08 May 2024 07:29:35
It was Alf you're right.

08 May 2024 09:20:07
10cc did 👍.

06 May 2024 21:30:37
You cannot feel sorry for those Londoners who have travelled all the way to Crystal Palace to see their beloved Munchester tonight.

06 May 2024 22:09:55
I do hope prem that they serve a good prawn sandwich at Palace.
Mind you might be a few choking on them tonight watching this.
Some good goals from Palace tonight!

06 May 2024 23:25:33
I think teams have found us out, do you remember when teams found out MB’s teams?, well I reckon it’s happened again, here’s why;

1. Cry Summerville, great player but only has one trick, his right foot, he’s now getting found out and shut down, as soon as he gets it out on the wing the opposition smother him, his head goes, sulks and starts becoming sluggish.

2. Georginio, fabulous player, great turn of foot, again been found out and other teams players now surround him and don’t let him play. They foul him, roll him, shirt pulling and little trips on him, he then tends to start wayward passing, his tricks don’t work and the odd shot goes high into the stand or becomes a mishit. Subbed and then sulks!

3. Willy Gnonto, again great player but he’s been found out and other players wind him up, he gets fouled, little niggly fouls, shirt pulling etc etc and they get a reaction, he then commits fouls, his head goes down and that’s it he done and subbed!

4. Patrick Bamford, he’s slowing down now and the opposition know it, they then know that they can give him a few yards start and still catch him, so they play to his weaknesses, he gets frustrated and then tries to do things he can’t and ends up looking stupid, again he’s either great or crap. He puts in a shift and does track back but he’s easily worked out when in attack!

5. Finally the other 7 play to their strengths every game but when you have 4 players taken out like we have had done of late it does not bode well. DF needs to give us a new dimension, he can do this by using DJ from the start along with Jayden Anthony, MJ, and Joel Piroe. Kamara and Gruev need to stay in midfield and Archie needs to go back to RB while Firpo stays at left back. Amps and Rodon speak for themselves. We then have plenty of pace on the bench for him to use for the last 15/ 20mins.

But what do I know eh, I’m just a Leeds fan who like all the other Leeds fans thinks he knows it all and should be the next Leeds manager! In the words of Manuel, ‘I know nothing’! 👍👍🤷🤷.

07 May 2024 07:40:35
Woody, my issue with Cry, at least what I've noticed, is that he's become less and less likely to play inside the lines and get the ball to feet wirh his back to goal, where he was very effective collecting the ball and turning and running at players.

Recently he seems to hug the line more. This along with him generally being doubled up has made him less effective as he only has one channel to go - inside.

We need continual overlap from Firpo (or whoever is LB) to make that play effective. But again, can't have Firpo bombing on every instance as we've become more porous defensively and it makes us easier to pass through after losing possession.

I'd like to see him collecting the ball to feet closer to the centre circle again. His press resistance is phenomenal in those situations and he's a much better creator when he has more options a little further in the pitch, with his head up running at people. Allows for a give and go, a through ball or a dribble or a shot on goal, rather than leaving fewer options and passing routes from out wide.

{Ed001's Note - that sounds like a coaching problem to me. Players usually naturally tend to drift into the centre without instruction, as they want to get involved in the play more and be closer to the action. If he is now playing wider, it is likely that is what he is asked to do in order to create more space in the middle by drawing players out to mark him.}

07 May 2024 08:44:20
Sounds like it could be, Ed. Problem is there's no one else occupying that space for us if Cry is perpetually hugging the line. Kamara and Gruev rarely make positive runs or crash the box etc. Always hovering around the half way line. Means we're always a bit fractured between our midfield pivot and offensive players.

07 May 2024 15:21:05
Totally agree Dill
A big gaping hole that powers that be never addressed.

An attacking CM was so much on my wish list, but we stuck with a trio of same ilk

Although. i know 1 was moved into defence

It's no surprise really we limited our attacking threat with players we signed.

07 May 2024 16:58:52
Agree, Chris. For some reason I always thought Kamara was a little more attacking than he has shown. Definitely not the case this season. Gets a nosebleed if he goes further than the opponent's side of the centre circle.

Needs addressing this summer.

06 May 2024 19:58:13
I don't really buy into all the talk from Farke about a young, inexperienced squad tbh. Yes we have some young players, but the large majority hav plenty of first team experience in good leagues.

Meslier had played 107 EPL games before this season.

Firpo had 62 La Liga appearances, 43 EPL appearances and 10 UCL appearances before this season.

Rodon had 52 Champo appearances, 16 Ligue 1 appearances, 15 EPL appearances, 5 Europa appearances and 4 conference League appearances before this season.

Ampadu had 60 Serie A appearances, 26 EPL appearances, 3 UCL and 3 Europa appearances before this season.

Kamara had 166 SPL appearances, 43 Europa appearances and 8 UCL appearances before this season.

DJ had 106 EPL appearances, 33 Champo appearances, 13 Europa and appearances a couple of UCL appearances before this season.

Piroe had 91 Champo appearances, 29 Eredivisie appearances and even had a Europa appearance before this season.

Bamford had 168 Champo appearances,
102 EPL appearances and has been called up to England before this season.

Add in Roberts, Struijk and Cooper who all have plenty of experience.

Even Rutter had 57 Bundesliga appearances, 1 UCL and 2 Europa apps

Plus, both Cry and Gnonto had a full season at EPL level prior to this season, although admittedly they had little first team experience before that.

The majority of the first team have ample experience. We may be a young squad but we are certainly experienced enough, so that can't be used as an excuse imo. Seems like a nonsense excuse to explain away some of our troubles, while demonstrably not being true.

06 May 2024 20:24:44
More Spin from DF.

06 May 2024 20:53:12
In this instance, I agree.

06 May 2024 21:14:37
I get what you’re saying Dill. Maybe he should have said team leaders? Because we have zero imo.
Even in saying that how many 28 years old plus experienced players do we have?
O’Leary brought in Batty to give experience to the side and Wilko same with Strachan. Revie with Collins exactly the same.

06 May 2024 21:43:18
I think dill what you get from young players is energy and enthusiasm or a lack of fear. The downside is that young players form can be erratic and they don't have the same physicality or stamina as older players in general.

Also as with our archie not all young players play their first games in their best position.
I think it is OK to have a young squad but when you are relying on 4 or 5 in your first team to produce regularly I think it can go wrong.
It is good to have a blend specially in the spine of the team.

06 May 2024 22:02:01
You are right corks. Young teams do need a few older heads now and again to settle nerves or encourage.
And I said a lot earlier in the season the tempo of a game can be controlled by someone with experience.

06 May 2024 22:11:30
Farke full of spin. He said Rutter alone made the choice to return to the team early but also said it was only the medical team that sanctioned it and he was fit to return. Farke also said there was no pressure on Rutter to return quickly but that he was "forced" to return quickly. What was this compelling force? Something out of Star Wars?

06 May 2024 22:25:56
Emotions, not able to deal with big pressure moments because of not enough experience, like now.

07 May 2024 07:42:46
Some good points, chaps.

07 May 2024 07:49:21
Personally, I think there is enough experience, especially given a lot of these players are fully-fledged internationals on top of their league experience. But, as Ben mentioned, leadership on the pitch seems to be an issue. No one is driving the team forward and getting their teammates up for it. Seems like everyone is waiting for someone else to do it. We need that heart and determination to drive us on in some games and atm we've lost that.

I'd probably consider starting Cooper at Norwich and moving Amps back into midfield.

What changes would you guys look to make to try bring some more leadership into the team?

06 May 2024 18:32:00
Blimey, I am vomit induced by the Richard the III's and Massey Furguson brigades wallowing in our misfortune. But he who laughs last. Go up in glory and watch them struggle next season. Honestly. The media are doing a great job of creating a seige mentalty, which suits us well. Again, we are Leeds, we don't care what you do or think, it affects us not and we will be back to haunt you.

06 May 2024 18:58:00
Mainstream media Sly, Beeb etc on both news, politics, current affairs and yes on sports much less relevant than they used to be.

06 May 2024 22:58:02
Baz how many times have you asked questions about LA and his ability? You know you used to blame him, you always blame Cooper as most of us do but it used to be Ayling, Firpo and Cooper! Maybe I’m wrong and apologies if I am but I’m sure I’ve read it from you. 🙃.

06 May 2024 23:41:37
Meslier and Firpo were the main ones Woody

Cooper sometimes

Ayling find me the quotes cowboy 🤠.

07 May 2024 11:04:47
What are you like Baz, cowboy! 😂😂.

06 May 2024 16:52:22
Luke Ayling, unfortunately was finished for us, but I would have kept him just because of his contribution in the changing room. He was a good motivator and he loved Leeds, but he’s gone and I have to say Baz, although you are singing his name now you were one of a lot of us on here who totally slated him and said he should be dropped when things were bad, so why now all this support for him? Yes he’s doing well at Boro but it’s just the new club bounce!
I would also like to say to those who continue to put us down, we are in the play offs and we can still get promoted, we have a great opportunity playing Norwich and WBA would of been a lot harder, Norwich only just scraped in!
Then not if, but when we get to Wembley we will get that Wembley bounce, non of our players have played there in a final before and I don’t care who it’s against, as far as I’m concerned we are still in the running, come on guys we still have a glorious chance to go up, keep the faith instead of shitty point scoring, you never know you might enjoy the play offs, I mean we must break our hoo doo sometime soon and this just could be it, but some of you might just miss it if you keep talking shite! Super Leeds, MOT, ALAW 🙏👍🤞👍🤞.

06 May 2024 18:21:50
I think with Cooper and Dallas in the changing room already we have enough dressing room cheerleaders- Ayling wouldn't have made any difference.

06 May 2024 19:08:40
Anis posts below spot on re Ayling and the RB issue this season Woody.

We had an excellent RB in DS but that was farked up by DF!

I certainly haven't "slated " LA ( any quotes? . no thought not! ) still preferable that LA played RB than AG JS, SB who are not good solutions for RB defending and going forward

CR might have been but he is injured too often.

06 May 2024 19:16:30
I do agree however Ani about the Wembley factor

1) If anything the world wide Wembley stage will surely inspire show ponies CS WG and GR

And even more importantly

2) the huge pitch should favour our pace especially my main man DJ if he can get fit in time.

First thing though is getting past Norwich. we must not lose the away game . draw ok.

06 May 2024 20:11:44
Djed Spence messed that up himself Baz, or would you rather we kept disruptive players around to leak that bad attitude into the team?

And Gray has played well at RB this season, so don't agree with us having a RB problem for the majority if it. It's only become a short-term issue with recent injuries and having to shift players around.

Gray and Roberts demonstrably safer in that position than Ayling has been for us in recent times, so don't agree with that opinion either. I'd play Gray or Roberts over Ayling any day of the week. They are both better.

06 May 2024 20:44:09
I feel a bit queasy Baz…we have agreed on three things today (this year! ) 🤣.

06 May 2024 21:15:11
Lmao Ani it feels unusual

Ani my new " GoTo Backup guy " lol 😆

Well it is a Leap Year after all.

06 May 2024 21:20:45
DS never given a chance Dill from the get go .

06 May 2024 21:48:33
Fwiw, Spence has played 90 mins in 5 out of 16 games for Genoa. No goals or assists, so hardly a difference make for them either.

06 May 2024 22:28:04
Fair enough on DS Genoa stats Dill

Oh for a hybrid of Paul Reaney and say Mel Zico Sterlamd at RB.

06 May 2024 09:48:43
Happy Monday people. Well tis true our form has been bi polar this year and yet again Leeds snatch defeat from the Jaws of victory. What are the reasons, who knows, probably a combination of factors, I think the Blackburn game was pivotal. To go from the best form in Europe over 14 games to being abject is eye watering. But, say your son excells in his studies then flunks his exams, you do not berate, criticise or belittle him. You try to find out why, support and urge him to try again. This theme runs through life, the son now has the opportunity to resit the test. We are Leeds and we go again, this is and always has been our mantra. UTWDTP and enjoy the Bank Holiday siblings 😁.

06 May 2024 12:24:21
I do think Rutter is part of the problem at the moment. He has def lost form in recent weeks. He seems a lovely lad so confidence is probably part of it. He gets a lot of attention on the pitch due to his skill ability but he was dispossessed an awful lot on Saturday - and in recent games - and they then just charge up the pitch. Fine margins etc. I don’t want him dropped but the group and manager have got to huddle round him and get him back ‘on it’. If he plays well we will win.

06 May 2024 13:29:32
One of they keys to our resurgence was Rutter playing the no10 role well as we don't have a natural no.10 so that was certainly a feature. I do think chasing down the massive gap wore the players out though and we just ran out of steam. Since the break we have looked lethargic which for me is a clear symptom of the almighty effort it took to go on that unbelievable run. That coupled with inexperience and its all become a bit much. Looking forward to next season with a more balanced squad, Farkes own players and a proper preseason.

06 May 2024 13:59:33
I think Summerville has become far too greedy.

06 May 2024 14:04:43
Buying a number 10 CAM last summer was imperative. Huge mistake.

06 May 2024 14:12:11
I think we all waited for our players to click in most of the first half the season. So many games should have been dead and buried in the first half.
Then after the new year an amazing run but always felt we were over reliant on one or two players.
It feels this year we have relied on good players producing rather than a good team or system of play.
Alf is right next season we will see a farke team rather than the team he cobbled together the start of this.

06 May 2024 14:14:37
So. What’s gone oh wise vid. Give us an opinion.

06 May 2024 14:15:50
That’s sooooooo boring baz. Jeez. Mez out.

06 May 2024 14:42:30
You don't want a CAM Aus?

06 May 2024 14:47:12
Aus, dunno mate, but I think what Alf and Ben say have a lot of credence. The international break came at totally the wrong time. Players were affected adversely by it, the Welsh lads, injuries to Ilia, Junior, Bambam and DJ. Momentum and mind set is massive. There is no doubt DF made mistakes too. Pressure, expectation. All contribute. BUT we have to believe, we have to support, how good would it be to go up at Wembley.

06 May 2024 15:11:47
Vid. Bamford has his detractors such as Aus one thousand anti Bamford posts .

But facts are when Bamford not in team . Leeds results are far, far worse

For Leeds to have a decent chance in playoffs PB and DJ are vitally needed.

06 May 2024 16:23:07
'56 I think you are mostly correct. Early on and now defenders are not giving rutter the time he needs to control the ball and when that happens he gives it up very cheaply - During the unbeaten run, teams worried about James and Summerville more, and gave Rutter the time and space he needed so he looked good and became dangerous . Hopefully over time he will mature and instead of being the price pony he becomes the team player.

06 May 2024 16:28:48
White Ben, spot on, too reliant on 1 or 2.

06 May 2024 16:53:50
Problem is squad depth 95% of the time we have played the same players in the same system, to be fair you play your best team but failure to use what substitute's we had earlier than the 85 minute leave our best players tired and jaded I think we all know players need rotating if possible but this want done for whatever reason.

06 May 2024 19:12:13
I’d imagine that Rutters legs must be in constant pain the amount of times he is targeted and hacked down.
Let’s not forget he is a prospect and the evidence is that there is huge potential in Rutter, is he the final product? absolutely not and he is prone to errors.

Rutter though in his moment can be devastating and can carve up a situation out of nothing to make an amazing assist.
Rutter’s journey is just starting and there’s a lot more he needs to accomplish before he reaches the top, scoring goals is one of those.