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16 Jan 2019 15:01:38
What's the chances that Kiko Casillas first steps in a Leeds United shirt could be at Tadcaster Albion! Next Monday 7pm, adults £3!

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16 Jan 2019 15:26:21
Is the ground easy enough to find Spanish?

16 Jan 2019 15:54:01
Just off the A162 junction of the A64, just behind the Samuel Smiths Brewery.

16 Jan 2019 16:01:59
Just a 2 min walk for me boys ALAW.

16 Jan 2019 16:13:52
So it’s pre match drinks and pork crackling around Tads house! Or can you recomen a good pub Tad?

16 Jan 2019 16:43:46
The angel is probably the best sams pub it has the shire horses in the stables at the back of the pub plus it’s the nearest boozer to the ground . If that helps Spanishleeds 🍺🐴.

16 Jan 2019 18:24:20
I love a Sam Smiths pub, no frills and cheap ale!

16 Jan 2019 18:53:05
Spare a thought for us exiles, can't get Sam's down here : (.

16 Jan 2019 14:30:22
The Guardian's take on Spygate. A long article but well worth the read.

One hopes Marcelo Bielsa does not get punished too severely for blatantly spying on Derby County training sessions. The Leeds manager not only confessed immediately, contacting Frank Lampard and taking responsibility for the stunt, he was reminded by his own club of Leeds United's integrity and honesty and surely that should conclude this entertaining episode with the wry smile it deserves.
Perhaps Bielsa ought to have cottoned on a bit quicker to the possibility that what goes without comment in South America might be frowned on in England, but differences in custom and practice between footballing cultures are there to be enjoyed, not censured. Bielsa may well have acted against the spirit of the EFL clubs' charter, whatever that is, but even if you could track down such a document you would not find anything specific about lurking in bushes to get a glimpse of rival preparations.
When the transgression was first discovered it was reported that the interloper was wearing camouflage gear and carrying bolt-cutters. That sounded exciting, borderline illegal in fact, though it was later toned down to sportswear and a pair of pliers. And the unnamed individual turned up in a Leeds United vehicle. Even more hilariously, Derby were able to work out he had done it before. A rustling in the undergrowth that had been noticed but not acted upon earlier in the season turned out to have taken place on the eve of Leeds 4-1 win at Pride Park back in August.
Lampard is now working on the theory that Bielsa might have snooped on all his major rivals, and he may well be right. The Leeds manager should probably stop now he has been busted and accept that such skulduggery is considered bad form in England, though it is worth remembering that the police who turned up at the latest incident did not make an arrest. No crime had been committed. Derby's training ground is overlooked by private houses anyway, the Leeds spy was spotted by a nearby resident rather than a member of the football club's staff, and though Lampard is right to say he ought not to have to conduct a search of the perimeter fence before each training session, his point underlines the fact that not many training facilities are actually that private.
Manchester City, before they moved to the Etihad campus, a purpose-built city-centre location, were always complaining that they had no privacy at Carrington because a public footpath bordered their land. All any interested party - usually press but possibly opponents - would need was a stepladder or the ability to poke a lens through a hedge.
Liverpool's Melwood training ground has a reasonably substantial wall around its perimeter, though it is hardly one of forbidding height. Again, the training ground is surrounded by private houses, and not only would residents rightly object were Liverpool to build prison-style walls around the place, those inside the facility would suffer a loss of light. Liverpool have plans to move out to a greenfield site on the outskirts eventually, but for now the sight of onlookers using wheelie bins and stepladders to gain a peek at the players in training is a familiar one during school holidays.
Juan Carlos Osorio lived within sight of Liverpool's Melwood training ground for two years. Last year his Mexico team reached the last 16 of the World Cup.
Just over 20 years ago in fact, a Colombian studying a degree course in football science at Liverpool's John Moores university became so friendly with a family living alongside Melwood through borrowing a small table to see over the wall that he ended up moving in as a lodger. Juan Carlos Osorio stayed for two years, most of the time living in a bedroom that gave him an unrestricted view of Liverpool's training routines. He is currently the manager of Paraguay but gained his greatest prominence last summer as coach of the Mexico team that defeated Germany.
There is an obvious difference between snooping to further one's education and doing it to undermine an opponent in a competitive match, but the bottom line is that training grounds are not sacrosanct. If anyone wants to see what goes on badly enough, it can usually be managed, and when drone technology is developing at such a pace there is probably no point either in clubs investing in mountain hideaways with reinforced security.
Bielsa has been accused of cheating, though checking out the opposition in advance could just as easily be viewed as part of the game. Some will regard his actions more generously as obsessive attention to detail, a coach going about his work with a thoroughness that is rare. While this is clearly a grey area, at least until the EFL or the FA hands down some sort of protocol that everyone can sign up to, defenders of Bielsa might also point out that not every coach or manager would be able to interpret or act upon such snippets of information that might be gleaned from a drone or a spy in the bushes.
Equally, though some managers prefer to be as secretive as possible, others are relaxed about game plans becoming public knowledge. Most clubs do not alter their playing styles that much from game to game, after all. A coach might adapt his formation for a particular game or opponent, switching to three at the back for instance or deploying a different striker, but he is not going to keep doing that week after week. Most game plans are on very public view every Saturday afternoon, in front of thousands of paying spectators.
Perhaps rugby is a more straightforward game than football, but one of best quotes on the overrated nature of game plans came from John Monie, the Australian who was in charge of Wigan for four seasons in the early 90s and won the cup and league double in every one. "I'm sick of hearing about game plans - ours isn't a secret, " he said. "If any opponents are listening, I can tell you what we plan to do. We are going to run all over you for the first half hour then have a look and see what's left.

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16 Jan 2019 14:16:24

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16 Jan 2019 14:37:14
Would that be to FORK OFF then young George? :)

16 Jan 2019 14:58:36
Well that clears that one up!

16 Jan 2019 15:05:39

16 Jan 2019 14:08:47
When warnock’s view on “scout gate “ almost makes sense. you know it’s a world gone mad.

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16 Jan 2019 14:05:11
Regarding Spygate, if the EFL even think about docking us points I suggest we take a leaf out of Capt Blackadder's book and employ Bob Massingbird to fight our case.

Bob Massingbird was the most brilliant legal mind in all of England. He once got a killer freed (and knighted in the New Year's Honours list) , even though the man had been seen committing the murder by 13 witnesses, held the murder weapon in his hand and told arresting officers: "I'm glad I killed the b*stard" indicating that he was clearly guilty. The family of the victim was even forced to pay to have the blood washed out of the killer's jacket.

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16 Jan 2019 14:19:04
2 sheds Actually I think we should and may need to prefer cousin Freddie! He'll knock out all of the firing squad with his cricket bat! 🏏😂.

16 Jan 2019 15:45:02
At the end of the day, he was only caught smoking an endless chain of cigarettes through an illuminous balaclava on top of a step ladder in no man's land, whilst drawing pictures of the enemy, the latter causing the problem.

16 Jan 2019 11:59:33
Long time reader, first time poster. Great site particularly love Spanish's reports from U23 games. How about, for a new song, to the tune of "Its my party and I'll cry if I want to". I'm Bielsa and I'll spy if I want to, spy if I want to, spy if I want to, you would spy too if you'd worked in Peru.

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16 Jan 2019 12:25:25
Welcome aboard Animal. Your ditty does it for me. Personally, I suspect spying on us would be quite pleasurable for other clubs' spies, due to our current style. I pity the poor sausage who had to spy on Derby. I would be taking us to a tribunal for unreasonable behaviour if I were he.

16 Jan 2019 12:25:30
Very good animal and welcome. Your not Spanishes flat mate are you.

16 Jan 2019 13:01:29
Animal, we’ve been rumbled!

I’d like to make clear that I am taking full responsibility for asking for these positive comments about my postings! Nobody else in the house share was aware of my actions!

As you know I have previously lived in Spain and South America and it is very common there for friends to be asked to make positive comments about website Postings. I feel that my actions should be judged in that context.

I immediately attempted to contact Martyn to explain the situation but he refused to accept my reverse charge call!

Editor 007 has given me a severe talking to and reminded me of the principles of honesty and integrity on which this website is based!

Animal, welcome to the funhouse or should I say madhouse, great lyrics.

{Ed001's Note - so, now I just have to decide on the punishment. Perhaps a relegation to the Sunderland site would be in order?}

16 Jan 2019 13:11:18
Well done animal.
Think the spy is under going counciling for derby torture.

16 Jan 2019 13:16:01
It's down rite unsporting behavour ed. I think he should be made to use a Huddersfield season ticket for a year as punishment.

{Ed001's Note - that's going a bit far! Something a bit less harsh, such as genital mutilation maybe, but Huddersfield? That is just not on.}

16 Jan 2019 13:16:28
Welcome Animal, always a place for another Animal in dirty Leeds.

16 Jan 2019 13:25:47
Classic Spanish! that's a bit too harsh I think Ed001.

{Ed001's Note - well I would say Derby site but he would be on his own then and there would be no one to stop him getting into mischief!}

16 Jan 2019 13:49:27
Great opening post animal! Welcome onboard!

16 Jan 2019 14:20:31
Animal Instincts tell me you're going to make a useful contribution to this site. Welcome.

16 Jan 2019 11:06:40
Totally fed up with Brexit. Now going that way with Spygate. Can someone post something really outrageous that we can all get arguing about? Please.

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16 Jan 2019 10:51:39
Crystal Palace were fined by the PL when Cardiffs line up was leaked before a match so this should set the precedent and give guidance to the EFL. anything more and it should be challenged. As i said earlier if they are so against it then why is there not a specific rule with fixed penalties regarding it.

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16 Jan 2019 12:20:06
Oops, I just posted something similar on the rumours page.

16 Jan 2019 13:50:35
Just glad i posted before you or i would be in trouble for spying and Jenas would be wanting me to wear a Man U shirt.

16 Jan 2019 09:12:00
In contrast to Stuart Pearce's silly comments, might I suggest a more sensible punishment.3 matches without bucket, or is this a tad too harsh.

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16 Jan 2019 10:10:10
All Leeds staff to have their pliers removed!

16 Jan 2019 10:33:47
Think Pearce should remember he let the entire country down with on single mis kick. Those in glass houses! I haven’t got twitter but might be worth some reminding him!

16 Jan 2019 08:07:36
I might tip frank over the edge and fly a drone over his next training session 😂.

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16 Jan 2019 10:11:11
How about chipping in for one of those planes towing a banner.

16 Jan 2019 10:34:36
Yeah. Plane banner saying. Fat frank give us a wave👍.

16 Jan 2019 10:53:49
How about having his new name on it Frank ****hard.


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