Leeds banter 2

29 May 2024 16:25:28
Does anyone think it is worth looking at a League 1 top scorer?
Colby Bishop age 27 contract exp 2025
His stats read
games goals
20/ 21 41 10
21/ 22 41 11
22/ 23 46 20
23/ 24 46 21

transfermarkt value 700k
Worth a look?

29 May 2024 17:45:41
Right now, I’d rule no one out, and at first glance, those are healthy stats!

29 May 2024 19:12:40
Watkins was at Exeter, Tony at Peterborough, Vardy at Halifax, there are players Lowe down who are worth speculating on.

29 May 2024 20:16:20
If he stays fit.
Latte Lath will be unstoppable next season and worth recruiting.

29 May 2024 20:39:34
I would say so, particularly if they aren't our only option.

29 May 2024 21:38:19
I’d be happy to see us go in for Latte Lath, and Haji Wright from Cov, who’d also give us the USMNT player some on the Board and investors may still crave (not without reason given the US market share opportunities it could provide) . Wright would be able to do all the things Bamford has, plus he’s way faster and a better finisher (including from the penalty spot) .

29 May 2024 22:01:41
Good shout Clue.
I know Josh Sergeant was previously mentioned too, but personally I feel he's always carrying an injury and would be Paddy Mark 2.

30 May 2024 05:21:29
I like Haji Wright but he plays more off the left than as a 9. Simms plays that 9 role for Cov.

30 May 2024 07:37:08
A bit left field considering he just won then the Conference League last night, but Ayoub El Kaabi performed immensely in that comp this season (11 in 9) . A veteran striker (30) who knows where the net is. I've only watched his games against Villa and if those are any indication, he's a real handful. Olympiacos got him for free so any money for him is a profit. It would be a step up in League for him per coefficient rankings and a move to England to, what many would consider, a big club, may appeal to him.

Leaving the club after winning the Europa Conference would be a nice way to bow out for him if he did fancy it, and the club may like a handsome profit off of him this summer while he's hot.

30 May 2024 07:44:35
I've actually posted about Wright before on here if anyone's interested. From August 22:

a USMNT player I have become a fan of is Haji Wright. He's an interesting player and possibly worth a gamble. Big (6'3) , athletic and strong lad. Runs channels well and is deceptively pacey, especially for his size. Really solid link up play thanks to a sublime first touch and awareness and he has a real knack for peeling off in the box and making himself space. Previously scouted by Dortmund. Was on loan at Antalyaspor last season and they've taken up their option to buy him for peanuts. Scored 15 and 2 assists in 35 games in Turkey. Would add an extra wrinkle to our attack and at set pieces, for sure. A cheeky £4m bid may get him tbh.

29 May 2024 14:46:36
I know that there’s some who don’t share the same feeling but I’ll be gutted by the news that Summerville is leaving. There’s no doubt in my mind there’s more to come from the young Dutchman.
Apparently whether it’s true or not, there’s a value being given for his departure, that of 35 to 40 Mil.
You could say it’s a great return on a player that only cost 1.3 Mil but the fact is that money won’t be spent on a new player only to cover profit and sustainability regulations.
It’s a real shame to lose him in my opinion.

29 May 2024 15:02:51
Players come and go .

Good player but definitely not gutted he is leaving. he didn't turn up when it mattered most last 11 matches

. replacing his goals will be difficult though.

29 May 2024 16:00:40
Both good posts. It’s difficult for a young lad to perform in quite the same way every game, particularly when he is having lumps kicked out of him again and again, and the sides that wanna park the bus put two and three on him. I agree that more is to come, and it’s always a shame to lose young, talented players before we get to see their very best. Milner would be the prime example.
What we do need to help soften the blow of his departure is a very efficient 9, as long as his replacement can deliver the chances!

29 May 2024 18:16:25
Yes miss his goals, predictable in the end I feel. So for me cash in and let him go, we'll get another jewel if we dig enough.

29 May 2024 18:42:03
You always put the defining lines to what I want to purvey Bright.
Top man 👍.

29 May 2024 20:41:33
No point hanging on to him if he wants to leave. If he would stay then great but I think he will want to move on and we do need funds so that works.

29 May 2024 22:39:57
I shall be 💔. I love the young man. However, I recognize his sale is inevitable due to the egregious errors of the previous regime.

30 May 2024 14:38:11
Also due to his ambition George. Even if we had gone up I feel he sees himself elsewhere.

Kudos to him for staying last season when many didn't, and for a great season but happy for him to leave if that's what he wants to do for his career.

29 May 2024 13:07:54
Marathe confirmed yesterday that Farke would be staying on as manager. “Daniel’s been fantastic, ” he said. “I’m excited about working with him again. We set out to do this, we had a long-term plan and a long-term commitment, not just me to him but him to me.

“We’ve got a lot of work to do and we have to see our plan through. He’s been tremendous, with a steady hand and the right temperament. I’m excited about getting back at it with him. I feel confident about this season. ”

Fantastic news.

29 May 2024 13:22:43
Good start will be essential.

29 May 2024 13:27:16
I agree to me unless we have a total disastrous season he should get the full 3 years.

29 May 2024 13:32:04
Also we need to get the transfer business concluded early . Something we are not very good at.

29 May 2024 14:22:07
Indeed Mighty. Next week would be good for agreements to be in place!

30 May 2024 14:39:17
I can see transfers being slow this close season due to the Euros. As much as we want to do a deal it's not always possible due to other factors including the team they are joining from.

29 May 2024 10:48:40
A quick question for all, I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
At the beginning of the season, I mentioned how good it was to see so many different goal scorers within the team!
However, as the season dragged on we only really had the regular 3/ 4 names scoring 🤔🤔🤔🤔
What actually changed?

29 May 2024 11:14:50
You were wrong as was Ani

Other posters said there was not enough goalscoring players in team . and proved correct.

29 May 2024 11:36:25
My concern is lack of movement on and off the ball, we seem to be sometimes to slow on the counter, Rutters form dropping off was a big problem for us and the lack of options off the bench.

Lack of goals from set pieces a big problem as well, especially when strujk got injured.

We seem to only have one route to goal.

Despite many issues and problems in the team we still got 90 points. We still got to play off final, for me we exceeded pre season expectations.

Farke has to address some issues next season, there no doubt about it.

29 May 2024 12:23:13
Hahahaha! It’s laughable, isn't it! 🥱🤦🏼🤦🏼
Yep Leeroy, there did seem to be sufficient variety of scorers, and scoring potential. You would normally expect a couple each from the likes of the CB pairing, and maybe from the DF pairing, and Bill normally contributed 3 or 4 as well from RB.

In answer to the 'actual question':
1. Rodon has a 50 pence head akin to Dubes.

2. Archie was playing out of position, so probably told to concentrate on defensive duties.

3. Amps notched, but in the cup rather than League.

4. Gruev and Kamara, I dare say we’re told to present opportunities to the more goal centric players and focus on defence protection

5. the CF position was a big issue in our final goals scored tally, which in a perfect world would have been closer to the 90 mark.

81 goals scored, gd +38 would suggest no problem in the scheme of things tho.
A high scoring CF would have prevented the glare now being shone on non scoring players by a clear minority of “followers”.

29 May 2024 12:40:49
Not in the early stages Baz.
You even agreed with me back in October time!

29 May 2024 13:00:42
No Leeroy
Right after transger window closed end of August I stated on here several times it would be an issue

Ipswich had goalscorers in all positions plus many goals from their subs.

Leeds scored only a few from their subs.

Ipswich are in EPL . Leeds aren't . end of.

29 May 2024 13:03:47
Looking at our early season championship results.
We had Piroe, Summerville, Gnonto and James scoring, along with goals from Gruev/ Anthony/ Byram/ Cooper/ Ayling and Struijk
The replacements obviously weren't as good as who we already had 🤔🤔.

29 May 2024 13:10:29
Spot on Brighty. 98 goals suggests we were ok in that dept. We played with 4 up front and it was their responsibility to score in the system we played. Some people just don't have any idea how tactics and a system work 🙄.

29 May 2024 13:23:38
All 3 teams promoted scored more than Leeds in league Cuppa .

29 May 2024 14:24:01
And our goal difference was second best, so your point is moot Baz.

29 May 2024 14:46:01
In our most important game of the season with the exception of Dan James not one Leeds player looked like scoring.

Scoring goals in quite a few games became an issue for Leeds esp back end of season . without question

Leeds were over reliant on certain players to score with too many others in team/ squad NOT chipping in with vital goal (s)

. its definitely a significant reason Leeds remain in Champo.

29 May 2024 16:02:28
Not going to argue with that Baz. As I’ve stated elsewhere, that situation looked all the more glaring without a confident and effective 9 getting 20+ goals this season.

30 May 2024 14:40:53
The problems we had were related to breaking teams down - not because we didn't have goal scorers. We didn't make enough chances in certain games including the final.

29 May 2024 09:32:40
If reports are to be believed, Foxes are about to be slapped with the biggest points deduction so far in the PL. This would lend to a belief that relegation is almost nailed on, but rewarded with parachute payments for a further 3 years.
Personally speaking, how the effingjeff have they even allowed to be promoted? What is basically being said is; "Ok. You cheated to stay up for a few years, but got your dues in the end. You then got away with zero punishment and won the league earning, unfairly, mucho pesos and getting promoted to earn mucho moros pesos, to get relegated, and yep, we will give you many more pesos. "
Honestly? What a corrupt, cack system!

29 May 2024 10:01:19
Bright, totally agree with you mate.

29 May 2024 10:33:21
I know I’ve banged this drum often this season but I’m going to be like a baz with a bone.
If anybody finishes below Ipswich I will be flabbbbergasted.

29 May 2024 10:33:41
But yes. Totally crooked bright.

29 May 2024 10:39:10
Cheers Whitey. I’m not bitter or owt like that. They’re a good team, with a talented coach, but you have to question whether they could afford that team and coach, and it still be an equal playing field?

29 May 2024 10:40:08
I second your comments Brightwhite.
Absolutely disgusting from the top brass and I'm sure that had it being Leeds then we'd have waved goodbye to promotion.

29 May 2024 10:47:29
Could you imagine if that were us Brighty and not Leicester?

We would be preparing for life in the local parks league next season!

One rule for one etc.

29 May 2024 11:02:14
Fair post Bright . agreed.

29 May 2024 16:22:05
if you're relegated the parachute payments last 3 years, decreasing in value every year. AFAIK, if you get promoted and then relegated again within that 3 year period you don't then get a further 3 years, they just continue the parachute payments from the previous relegation.

ie;
Relegated. first year 150m
Promoted
Relegated. Second year 100m.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I understood it. It's to not have yoyo clubs constantly getting 3 years of payments every relegation.

29 May 2024 17:49:12
That would make more sense Dil, tbf, but still doesn’t change my view that Leicester should not have even been promoted.

29 May 2024 08:26:34
5 teams already lining up bids for Cree! The more the merrier! Now let's see how much ransom we can make them pay! This will be the first time the new team will have been tested, without having their hands forced like this time last year!

29 May 2024 11:03:01
Which 5 teams allegedly?

29 May 2024 11:20:13
If we get 60ish mill for Jimmy, Willie and Joel I would be more than happy.

29 May 2024 12:25:15
Absolutely goddam right Leodis!

29 May 2024 12:43:16
That’s sounds about right Leo. 30 mill Summerville, 20 Gnonto and about 10 Piroe. Throw in Rutter for another 25/ 30 mill.

29 May 2024 13:49:50
Summerville will be over 40. Gnonto over 25. Piroe over 10. Don’t sell Rutter. Rather sell mez.

29 May 2024 16:04:05
Don’t forget there’s a supposedly huge sell on fee with Gnonto (I’ve previously read 40-50%) so we won’t see a lot of the fee if there’s any truth to that.

29 May 2024 22:08:20
Over 40 for Summerville? Highly unlikely Aus unless Chelsea come in for him and there’s a bidding war.

29 May 2024 08:23:22
One of the good things from Sly Spurts are some of the Q&A interviews they undertake, and there is another great one, this time with Mr Marathe on the page this morning.
It's a classic example of message tracking, as you would expect from an astute businessman, but insightful, and I would say, promising at the same time. Well worth a few minutes of time!

29 May 2024 06:42:20
Not a surprise but reassuring that the 49ers are backing Farke to continue next season and hopefully get the job done.
Anyone who is thinking he should be sacked, and there a fair number who have expressed that on here, who would you have takeover from here. If you are dreaming of Graham Potter, dream on.

29 May 2024 07:43:51
I agree he should be given the opportunity to have another crack at it.
However. Don’t ponder too long if we start poorly.
Need to be in top three from get go or out by October.
We played some fantastic football at times so that has to be credit to him.
But team selection and game management has got to be questioned.
I’d like him to change to 4-3-3 too. We need a better midfield.

29 May 2024 08:04:51
It’s not really surprising he will get another opportunity because Leeds United don’t have the money to pay him off we’ll be lucky to get out of this division within five years let alone next season we’re selling our best assets because we’ve got no money yet we got billionaires in the club, What’s wrong is it Some clubs play by the rules other clubs don’t and get away with it as they’ve set a precedent we should play by the same rules.

29 May 2024 08:40:02
Don’t say the words “fantastic football” Aus! The “dour police” will be on to you for not living in the realms of reality!
Seriously tho, good post and response. The players like Farke, and that’s always a good start point. Like Mr Marathe said, he is a “steady hand” with a calm demeanour, which is certainly what was needed at the start of last season!
I do however feel fairly certain that Aus is right about a number of things, but mostly, that if we are not on track (tho I would say end Nov) , he will be out. Fair enough imo.

29 May 2024 09:15:44
Every team has a bad spell. Even title winners so don't be too hasty if ours comes at the start. The year will be as much a rebuild as last year tho this time more on our terms, yet a rebuild non the less. With some canny horse trading called for. Let's see what emerges come August and, whatever it is, give it 100%.
Two (or three) in mudfield is a mute point as the middle will see Archie and Amps patrolling the park. If you want to throw a third (AM) in there then go ahead.

29 May 2024 09:26:59
Exactly Leodis!
While we do wait to see where, and with who, we will start in August, wouldn’t it also be more entertaining to look forward with a bit of positivity, and constructive debate, rather than living in yesterday, last year, the five seasons before, and even 60-70 years ago, and have “I said so” shoved in our faces time and again, over and over! 😳😁.

29 May 2024 09:33:27
They know they have to rebuild and plenty of the to plan and execute it. Not the same as last year.
They can’t use rebuild as an excuse. Whatever league we were bound for a plan and players should have been built long ago.

29 May 2024 10:06:47
Come on bright, it’s the same old story re build, execute my god Rambo is just coming. Same old thing wasn’t by the way five years ago it was 16 years we can rebuild this season then next season and the next season 🙁🥱🥱🥱🥱.

29 May 2024 10:08:01
Ausman, the plan is we rebuild every season, come on you should know that.

29 May 2024 10:44:48
In a way Whitey, you are right. We do have to rebuild every year, but so does every team. I suppose, as a club, we have stood still for too long. This is probably due to the vast array of owners we have had for the last 30 years, since “Pants down Peter” wrecked the club, and put is into the ultimate free fall.
I suppose all we can hope for is that this rebuild is the start of a sustainable, long term rebuild for the next 50 years rather than a number of five year plans that are solely focused on reselling the club again and again.

29 May 2024 10:51:30
Fantastic football lmao 🤣. prime Barcelona it was lol 😆.

29 May 2024 10:53:24
Amps and Gray in mf . top 6 dream team.

28 May 2024 22:39:08
Apparently Everton looking to get a loan deal done for Kalvin Phillips?
Personally think it would be a good move for the lad to get his career back on track. If Dyche wants him then he knows what he wants from him.
Never met Phillips but he really seems like a good pro, team mate and a decent fella.
I don't normally chat on here about players that have left because it's in the past but there's something about Kalvin which endears him to me.

28 May 2024 23:23:32
I think Kal being loaned out again is a very negative move for him. He needs a solid base to rebuild and find his old form again, floating about on loan isn’t going to help him.

29 May 2024 01:27:47
A loan is likely KP only option until his contract runs out because of

1) his age of 29 . no spring chicken .
2) his lengthy injury record
3) his loss of some form.

OP so which team would want to pay a presumably sizeable transfer fee AND pay his £150k a week wages?

29 May 2024 05:45:13
It’s up to him, has to be realistic and lower his wage demands.
It’s also possible if Everton’s takeover bid collapses they will go into meltdown and a fire sale of their best players will commence. Not really a base to restart your career if that does happen.

29 May 2024 08:43:43
I agree with both of you there, which puts me on the fence, clearly!
And Baz, do you really think Viteh will hold out for what they paid? No is the word you’re looking for. And as for his wages? Do you think Kal will be looking for the same over inflated weekly pay? Believe me, he will want to play football, and get back into the England fold, and will drop below the £100k mark to do so.

29 May 2024 10:36:14
I think city will take about 20 for him in the end. And no I wouldn’t pay that for him to come to Leeds but some prem team will.

29 May 2024 10:56:23
We shall see . odds on KP loan imo.

29 May 2024 12:31:12
Actually, yes Baz, odds would point to a loan, but all OP was saying was it would be better, and preferable for Kal to go permanently somewhere, which you instantly dissed, I guess simply because OP said it 🤔. (H word).

Unfortunately, your reasons were again unfounded, and likely inaccurate, tho I do have no problem with being wrong, should that ever turn out to be the case.

29 May 2024 13:04:03
Reasons given entirely logical . time will tell soon enough.

29 May 2024 13:05:33
What Hooksie suggested entirely believable. nor disproved.

29 May 2024 14:32:27
Bright again I have to agree with you let’s hope all works out next season .

28 May 2024 19:58:12
In view of the upcoming battle for starting slots, does anyone know who the next breakthrough may be?
I am thinking of the likes of midfield Charlies, Allen and Crew. Then upfront two wingers in Keenan Carole and Amari Miller. Sadly I do not get the opportunity to see the Academy first hand so I am hoping there are some of you who get the chance to follow the young lads' progress. Any ideas?

28 May 2024 20:29:42
Crew. Wish it was Cree too.

Allen out of contract next month.

28 May 2024 20:44:00
Leodis, What difference does it make if D Farke doesn't use our talented Academy youngsters. If Joseph and Creswell don't fit in his plans what chance the rest of them have.

Don't say that Archie has played all season, Yes he has had a good year "BUT" DF would have never given him a fair shot either if his last name wasn't Gray. Facts!

28 May 2024 21:19:04
What Hooksie said.

28 May 2024 23:10:24
Absolute pish Bermuda, you’ve made yourself look a fool with that last statement.

29 May 2024 01:32:23
Hooksie 's first statement is FACT . Farke hasn't given Cresswell and MJ very few opportunities

Come on then MG what evidence have ye got to state Hooksie's second statement is 'pish'? 🤔.

29 May 2024 08:11:22
Baz - conversely, what actual evidence does Bermuda T have that his second statement is a ‘fact’ - the burden of proof lies with him, not MG.

29 May 2024 08:40:01
Complete twaddle, if they are not starting games it’s because they are not ready. What makes you know more than Farke and his coaching staff?

29 May 2024 08:49:20
He hasn’t given MJ enough chances, that much is true. 100%.
Cresswell was found wanting with his his attitude, which took some time to address. Next season “may” yet prove to be his big breakthrough? . Farke doesn’t dislike the lad, just needed him to apply himself more, and get in line with the effort and focus of the rest of the squad.
So no, I don’t agree with Hooksie either, in any of his statements, and am more in agreement with MG!

29 May 2024 09:32:08
We all said that the great Bielsa had his favourites (and that applies to all managers) or is it just that they see behind the scenes and on the training pitch so are in a much better position to judge if a player is "ready".
In these constricting times we may see the faith that DF has in some of the purchases and some of the pre-seasons when they occur. You all may get your wish and see MJ start a full 90. I hope for his (and our) sakes he is as good as you all think/ hope.

29 May 2024 10:00:38
I don’t have evidence Baz, but I don’t believe for one moment a conversation at Leeds went like this:

Coaching Staff: 'So Daniel, we’ve got this young lad in the under 21's, who’s an alright player'.

DF: 'If he’s only alright, why would we give him a chance in the first team?'

Coaching Staff: 'Well, his surname is Gray, son of Andy, grandson of Frank and great nephew of Eddie'.

DF: 'Well why didn’t you say, it's a no brainer, let's stick him in the starting 11! While we’re at it, does Lee Chapman have a son we can stick up front next week?'.

A name will open opportunities to showcase your talent to clubs, that I don’t dispute, but in no way (apart from Weah’s brother), does a name get you game time.

29 May 2024 10:48:17
That’s exactly how the conversation went MG! I’m amazed that you heard it too! I thought I was the only one who could communicate with flies on walls!

29 May 2024 10:57:26
So no evidence. as expected.

29 May 2024 12:34:29
None forthcoming from the original statement maker either Baz. Try to achieve a balance rather than believing fictitious nonsense, which MG has just proven with his scenario.

The reference to the Gray name was foundationless, and about as likely as the second coming in term of probability. Hence the scorn and disdain it generated. You’re defending the indefensible now.

29 May 2024 23:22:37
What are you talking about Baz, what could be the evidence that you want to see that shows Archie got in the first team because of his name, it was his ability that did it, we have all seen it this season, that’s the evidence
Instead of asking for evidence that his name didn’t help him get in the first team, why have you never asked your allie Bermuda for proof that his name DID get his opportunity? As he stated, that was Fact, so surely there is evidence to support it. So I put it back to you to provide evidence.
Instead of just arguing with everyone (apart from a few that can abide to agree with you) , why not just have banter, or join a different chat group, you will never change and simply be a keyboard warrior.