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21 Oct 2019 09:37:01
I’m of the belief that our stagnation in goals is not the cause of our strikers but of their supply, stats are starting to show that Bamford and Nketiah on his brief play have not touched/ received the ball enough. Costa is not in his element yet and Harrison does have a tendency to blow hot and cold.
Big dilemma for Bielsa?, I don’t think so, but I hope he finds a solution soon. Missing Pablo.

OptimisticalPessimist

1.) 21 Oct 2019 11:19:39
Totally agree. Too many 50:50 chances, not enough clear cut ones.


2.) 21 Oct 2019 18:06:20
was the same last season - the stats don't tell the whole story. 20 half chances a game are not as good as 2 clear cut ones. Bamford still hopeless, however.


 

 

21 Aug 2019 00:46:01
Days of losing to our so called bogey teams and ex players coming back to haunt us are over.
This Leeds United team is the best I’ve seen for a long time, and I don’t think they are in 2nd gear yet.

OptimisticalPessimist

1.) 21 Aug 2019 07:23:08
Let's hope that these words don't come back to haunt us. Seems we are struggling with the typical injuries 4 games in. The fact that we never brought another centre half still worries me. Brentford never an easy team to play so expect a tough game.


2.) 21 Aug 2019 21:05:13
Please Marcelo don't leave the subs till 13 minutes from time,


3.) 22 Aug 2019 11:09:39
Yeah its a bit early to declare we have that monkey of our back - that's probably the optimistic side of you speaking!


4.) 24 Aug 2019 15:33:51
How is Stuart Dallas playing over shackleton! WAY TOO SLOW. A good squad player. that's IT! Bamford hasn't touched the ball in 30 Mins!


5.) 24 Aug 2019 15:36:56
You know He is Going to score now!


6.) 24 Aug 2019 15:45:13
Stuart Dallas my FORKING HERO! YOU BEAUTY!


7.) 26 Aug 2019 21:23:21
Ha Ha ha ha hooksie Classic mate! 😎.


 

 

 

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06 Nov 2019 20:29:43
Bar any catastrophic mass injury situation, with our amazing defensive record so far, also with perhaps more support for Bamford, ie; Tyler Roberts, this could be the season.!?
I still see every match we play as a hard fought battle but the signs are looking good so far.
Think Blackburn offer a real threat this weekend with Dack and have shown at home they are very dangerous, their away record however has not been as good.
Am concerned about Casilla, got a a feeling we are going to lose him and yes, if he is found guilty then he deserves his punishment.
Shame if so because he is now showing form of a top class keeper.

OptimisticalPessimist

1.) 06 Nov 2019 20:55:21
O/ P, after all these years I have given up evaluating everything, I take it one game at a time, don't get over optimistic because it invariably leads to a fall, don't get too pessimistic because things change constantly, enjoy the good, suck up the bad, BUT, we are Leeds, there is nothing to compare, should we overcome, what a celebration there will be. MOT always and god bless Speedy x.


2.) 06 Nov 2019 21:19:55
Vid couldn’t agree more it’s a bit like saying “this time next year, we’ll all be millionaires” but. you never know;)


3.) 06 Nov 2019 21:56:52
Great posts lads but who is speedy?


4.) 06 Nov 2019 23:29:41
Just keep saying it and, one year.?


5.) 07 Nov 2019 15:05:50
Corky I’m guessing he is referring to the legend that is Gary Speed.


 

 

02 Nov 2019 18:26:56
Slightly concerned about posting after a victory Incase of being labeled as boring :)
However, good solid and hard fought game today. Credit to Bielsa for electing Roberts to support Bamford. Did note your post on that RHC, spot on.
Another clean sheet, with the forth coming fixtures could be sitting pretty end of Nov.
Bamford is not a prolific striker but will contribute with goals before the end of season. He should be released if we get promoted.

OptimisticalPessimist

1.) 02 Nov 2019 20:38:19
I also advocated Tyler the Creator for the same role.


2.) 02 Nov 2019 21:37:31
Indeed, credit where it’s due George. Not as stubborn as we thought Bielsa, quite a unexpected formation today dropping Klitch a little deeper to make way for Tyler. Thought Harrision had one of his better days, just wish he could be more consistent.


3.) 02 Nov 2019 22:05:29
A long time ago George. He will be a star!


4.) 02 Nov 2019 22:56:52
Nice one optimist! 😉.


 

 

31 Oct 2019 07:50:17
100% agree with you Ed001. I’m only a recent poster on this site but have been reading and following it for several years. I find the banter and Rumours about our club both informative and humorous, basically fun to read or partake.
Sadly of late there has been a very poisonous and toxic influence by one or two posters. You know who you are!
As long as there are people like you posting your baseless negative bilge, then I’ll be here to sound it down, and others too. Thank you Ed001 for pointing your views. I know that you do have a vast knowledge of the game.
Bielsa is the best coach we’ve had in years, I’d happily give him 5 years if it were necessary to get us to the Premiership, and you’re right Ed i think it took a 5 year plan and a shed load of money for Houghton to get Brighton up.
You guys who reject Bielsa really need to get a grip of where we are as a club. Give Bielsa a break, give him a chance. I think he knows just a bit more about the beautiful game than you do!

OptimisticalPessimist

{Ed001's Note - I would have understood, to a degree, why people were expecting promotion if the club was spending more money than it was bringing in through sales. Or it had started out with a squad that had only recently been relegated, so should be Prem level. But Leeds are neither. That is why someone like Bielsa is perfect, as he will gradually work with the squad he had.

By the way, I am sure a few people on here remember the run Liverpool had under Brendan Rodgers, nearly winning the league playing with a real swashbuckling style? What people don't realise is that Rodgers had been really struggling to get that team going early on, he was doing things like using Sterling as a wing back, just to shoehorn him into the team to get games. Then he went to a coaching seminar or something similar (I forget what it was now) where he chatted to one Marcelo Bielsa. It was him who sat down with Rodgers and came up with the system and style of play that came so close, despite not having anything like the quality of team that Man City had that year. He is an excellent tactician and knows how to get the most out of players.

Yes he is stubborn, but that is because players aren't the brightest and struggle when the system and tactics constantly change. Look at the difference between Liverpool and Spurs right now. Spurs constantly switch their formation around and are struggling to understand what Poch wants. Liverpool had a try in the early part of last season with a new formation but when it mattered Klopp went back to his old system of 4-3-3 and stuck to it. If the players know the system well and are used to it, they can play better, because they are not worrying about their positioning, they know where to be. They understand their roles and all they have to worry about is playing to their best.}


1.) 31 Oct 2019 08:51:45
I should certainly hope so optimist. The differing views are what make the site interesting to me - its good to know different opinions of what is happening and some I agree with, some I don't. That thread below is brilliant reading regardless of your POV and personally I think the site is a little dull on the occasions where we all agree (after a great win, for example) . The debate makes it interesting.
There is no one poster who I always agree with 100% and sometimes people who I previously thought were right on the money come out with some utter tripe and vice versa. i guarantee people think exactly the same about me!
You are right about Ed001 - he is a student of the game and his comments always make me sit up and take notice - keep the comments coming Ed!

{Ed001's Note - thank you alf.}


2.) 31 Oct 2019 09:00:58
Yes I agree, managers need that time for the players to adapt to their system. I think largely Leeds players are conforming to Bielsa style. I think there is one very important point about Helder Costa who I do think is in that process of understanding what Bielsa wants from him. I’m sure that he would like him to emulate Hernandez, not only as a winger but attacking midfielder. Costa has got goals in him, also displays trickery and is quick.
He alone could be the defining player who could see us to promotion. He was our marquee signing.

{Ed001's Note - it can take time for players to get to grips with it. Andy Robertson and Fabinho both took about 6 months to get regular football for Liverpool as they were not quite getting it initially. Now neither would be left out.}


3.) 31 Oct 2019 09:19:38
I take your point Alf, I do like a debate and a difference of opinion, but for me this relentless anti Bielsa has gone too far. What club would sack their manager who finished 3rd the previous season and currently held a 3rd position at this stage of the season! ?
There’s plenty of subjects to have a good differing banter about but this particular relentless, baseless toxic subject about Bielsa being sacked has become tiresome.

{Ed001's Note - well Valencia sacked Marcelino after finishing 4th and now are sat in 11th. Real Betis sacked Quique Setien for not getting them into 3rd and are now battling relegation. Both are clubs that were punching above their weight under the manager they had and have paid the price for fans' expectations growing beyond the realistic level of the team. You could say similar things about teams like Stoke and many others. People easily get carried away when their team is playing well and often forget that it is in large part down to the manager they are up that high in the table. They start thinking it is the manager holding them back when they are not moving up even higher.}


4.) 31 Oct 2019 11:11:29
Ed001 Good first edit post in this thread but that's why I'd introduce a home and away style so as to avoid potential confusion. I don't believe Bielsaball works as well as it should at home.

{Ed001's Note - the style should work, it is just up to the players to get to grips with it.}


5.) 31 Oct 2019 11:42:20
Ed001 At home what I see is the opposition using defensive formats, diamonds and back 3s to nullify the benefits of our doubling up wing play. Provided we grab an early goal we're fine as then the opposition must change somewhat to get anything from the game. Problem occurs when we don't. I also see an excessive tiredness in games after 80 minutes resulting in a visible boost for the opposition. Not very nice to see near 70% possession and low number of clear cut chances for us home game after home game. I just don't feel Bielsaball is conducive to Championship home fixtures.

{Ed001's Note - they have done the same with Liverpool since Klopp arrived and it has taken until this season for the players to break it down regularly. Changing formations isn't always the answer. Sometimes it is best to just keep working on improving what you have until they do it better. Quick fixes tend to be like sticking plasters over a broken window, they might keep the rain out for a day or two, but they are not going to work as a long term answer. Patience is required. Coaching players is not an over night job. That is the problem with teams constantly changing managers, they never give it long enough for the manager to actually get things right. It should be 3 years minimum.}


6.) 31 Oct 2019 11:58:35
Very good response post Ed001. I just want to see fruits of our labour. I want Eddie on pitch burying Paddy's chances. I recognize the effort and value of Paddy which is why I won't berate him like a certain Wex does. Paddy does frustrate no doubt but I don't believe a lone Eddie would do nearly as well from the start. This is why I'd start him which means dropping a midfielder which means amending formation. I don't advocate changing managers and the broken window analogy excellent but there eventually comes a time when change is required otherwise a rut festers and spreads to the rest of the house.

{Ed001's Note - I get what you are saying, but it is still early days under Bielsa and there is one thing you can be sure of, he will quit if anything starts festering and it is not going to be cut out. Hence why he was quick to get rid of Pontus. You are better off getting rid of a problem like he was becoming, rather than trying to work with it because he is a good player. You only have to look at the mess Spurs have got into because Poch is too soft and has stood by players he should have disposed of a long time ago.

Bamford is clearly a weak link, but Eddie is not ready to lead the team from what I have seen. He is excellent at coming on and making an impact, but he reminds me of Origi, in that there is still a lot to learn if he is ever to become more than an impact sub. As for Arsenal recalling him, that is unlikely to happen, I don't know why people are worried about that. They sent him to be coached by Bielsa, that is why he is there. Anywhere else they send him, he might well get more game time but he wouldn't be learning off a master.}


7.) 31 Oct 2019 16:56:13
Ed001 Origi. Now there's a player you wouldn't mind starting or on the bench. Nothing wrong with his radar. I accept it's still "early days" with Bielsa but that wouldn't be the case next season if he stays on. As for Eddie, he is still learning and since his tutelage under a master craftsman is the principal purpose of the loan can't disagree with your viewpoint. In which event, I am sadly with my sabbatical taking comrade hailing from a dodgy part of South London albeit hopefully with superior articulation. Playoffs again, playoff heartbreak again. We don't have enough goals in us. The only way I see us playing PL football in August is if Casilla pulls off blinders virtually every game and takes that form into a playoff final penalty shootout.

{Ed001's Note - it is impossible to call the Championship as it only takes a couple of injuries for a team to fall away. Look at Forest, they have picked up a couple to key players and are dropping like a stone.}


8.) 31 Oct 2019 17:17:04
Ed001 Luton Town to storm it and Bamford to turn into Paddy Van Bamigoal? Good talk and thanks for the chat 💛💙.

{Ed001's Note - that would be entertaining. Take care mate.}


 

 

30 Oct 2019 09:09:48
We’ve gone down that road of trying different managers/ coaches, some unfathomably bad ie: Hockaday/ Milanic and the proven coaches as in McDermott, Warnock and Monk all winning promotion to the Premiership with their previous clubs. Yes they had lesser players in quality than we have now but so did Wilde, Wagner and Farke.
My point is that it is the “expectation” that has been our downfall. As we all know we have been out in the wilderness for a very long time now and as each season passes that expectation increases. I still believe it was that weight we carry that was the reason we folded inexplicably against Derby in the playoffs.
If we continue with this manager merry go round, we’ll be stuck in the Championship for another 20 years.
With Bielsa we are as close as we have ever been, I’m not really concerned that we stay within the playoff positions as it alleviates that extra pressure that comes with holding top position. I think Bielsa will have our team peeking after Xmas.
Once Costa understands and can implement what Bielsa wants from him it’s going to make a big difference to our results.
It’s very fine lines that can make all the difference, in my estimation this is ours.
No more manager changes Please!

OptimisticalPessimist

1.) 30 Oct 2019 09:30:30
Wilde had a pooper squad based on what exactly?


2.) 30 Oct 2019 09:31:57
Totally agree OP. Enough with that chopping and changing rubbish! Stability please, with tweaks here and there in playing staff.


3.) 30 Oct 2019 09:32:18
Agree we need to stick with Bielsa - we aren’t going to get a better manager. What we need is to improve the playing squad.


4.) 30 Oct 2019 10:48:29
expectation was not our downfall. not being able to beat the lesser teams was our downfall. points agaisnt ipswich, qpr, wigan, brum, hull etc meant we would of walked this league last year. it was a huge flaw

as for saying we have walked the road of changing managers. that is nonsense we have changed managers but not changed to who our new manager might be therefore have not walked that road. to say if we change the manager we could be here for another 20 years is a guess based on sand. don't change the manager. tell that to villa it served them pretty well

you only stick with the manager if he can get the job done and that job must be promtion. so can he get us up. i don't think so and history proves one thing changing a manager can work for good or bad. we don't know how that will play out until a new manager came in.


5.) 30 Oct 2019 11:46:12
It will be out of our hands if we don't go up, Bielsa will be gone.


6.) 30 Oct 2019 11:52:05
With Berm. Alf, playing squad never been better. Only dead wood is Okane and Buoy. The rest are either mid Championship class, top Championship class or lower PL class. Name me one Leeds player not loaned out not the 2 exclusions I mentioned above who are actually lower championship class or worse?


7.) 30 Oct 2019 13:01:13
exactly George

many wax lyrical about phillips who is england class

plus I beleive more interntaionals than any other championship club

kiko from real doing well

eddie as gifted as any in this league

I mean come on how can this team not have promotion written all over it

bookies favorites. must be for a reason.

{Ed001's Note - they were bookies favourites because of Bielsa. Your team is full of internationals because of Bielsa. He took over a team you all thought was mid-table mediocrity, now you are deluded into believing he did nothing and it was all about having a great team because of the work he did.}


8.) 30 Oct 2019 13:50:38
Spot on ed001, i doubt if Eddie, Costa, White would be here if we still had Monk or Hok. Top teams are happy for us to have their players because of Bubs. Would KP and the rest be signing new contracts if they did not believe in what they were doing. Yes we can argue about who is played and whether the system would be better this way or that way. We are doing this because Bubs has made us into a top 3 team and we are scared of slipping backwards and its human nature to feel like that. Calling for the guy who got you to this position to be sacked when a lot is to be played for yet is a bit premature in my eyes. No i do not agree with all his decisions, no i do not blindly bow down to him, but unless you tell me Klopp or Mourinho are taking over i say leave well alone and see if it gets better.

{Ed001's Note - Real Betis did exactly the same with Quique Setien. They were challenging for the Champions League places with him, now they are battling relegation without him.}


9.) 30 Oct 2019 13:54:40
Ed001 I don't see that delusion. He did much, his contribution remarkable. However, to avoid lottery of playoffs and achieve automatic you need better results. Hence why I call for a more attacking formation at home. If Bielsa doesn't want to do that, in my opinion he'll underachieve. I don't fancy another season after this in the Championship.

{Ed001's Note - he is a great coach, not a miracle worker. You can only do so much with Championship-level resources. Injuries and suspensions will play a massive part, as you simply can't afford to build a squad to cope with missing players like a Prem team can. Berm keeps whining on about Colin, but he had a lot of luck with injuries, without that he comes nowhere as there is no back up and that is why the Championship is so hard to call. One injury can totally disrupt a season. Bielsa has had to cope with a squad that keeps losing players he wants to keep, but he is still keeping you in contention.}


10.) 30 Oct 2019 15:33:49
ed your wrong,

dallas, klich, douglas, alioski, BPF all internationals before MB joined. In fact I am sure he has not made any of our players internationals that wasnt already (apart from eddie who we got in but mb ain't done him any favours)

add to that Kp (who i don't rate but many do) pablo who was already a great, bamford who was decent at this level and I think you will find none of our players have fluished under Mb's coaching after an initial bounce which of course we did have.


we are bookies favs because we finished third and should of gone up. we can't throw away a league twice.

as for our players i think they are good player who underachieved with our last manager and then showed what they could do under MB however the wheels have come off (to a lesser amount) and Mb is unable to steer us back to a promotion he threw away

I think our sqaud is as good as any in this league and our results have been worse than they should of been because of belisa not us overacheieving due to him


maybe he is a great coach, got great ideas but he can't win games as well as many many other lesser coaches

if he is great why does he keep making the same mistakes and why does he hold the record for the worse throwing away of a championship league promotion in the history of the compition?

{Ed001's Note - no mate, it is not me who is wrong. You are just deluded. You finished 3rd because of Bielsa. Now you suddenly think you are better than you are.}


11.) 30 Oct 2019 16:12:35
Ed001 Agreed regarding injuries and suspensions. Definitely a significant factor why we failed last season. Agreed regarding loss of Roofe for this season but the replacements are excellent on paper, Nketiah and Costa. I simply see more value in playing a traditional style at home using Costa's pace and Eddie's undoubted finishing ability. Great coach, yes. Miracle worker, no but that's entirely my point. We shouldn't need one. There's no compulsory requirement to win the league using only Bielsaball. Why won't he adapt? Bielsa himself has said Costa would fair better in a different system. Bielsa also said recently that the 2 up front hasn't even been tested on the training ground yet. No Leeds fan, no neutral, no-one anywhere is going to reprimand Bielsa for going 4-4-2 at home or scold him further if we wins promotion that way. For me, his stubbornness is the issue and the only issue. Luck plays a part but he's not playing the percentages at home. It's no wonder we're involved in low scoring home games but our squad definitely suggests more goals are possible. I hope he adapts soon otherwise those fixtures against so-called poor opposition who set up to frustrate will see us squander more points when other teams are capitalizing.

{Ed001's Note - you are all getting so high off Nketiah because of performances in the under 23s. That is not proper competitive football. It is ok coming on against tired legs and putting in a shift but you all get so carried away as if that is not a factor.

Bielsaball works, why change it?}


12.) 30 Oct 2019 17:24:38
Ed001 I ain't getting high off U-23s. Weird you think I would. I'm getting high off Eddie's ability to find onion bag in a Leeds shirt.

{Ed001's Note - yes but like I said he is coming on against tired legs.}


13.) 30 Oct 2019 17:53:44
no ed

you said belisa has turned our players into internationals. wrong no player has been newly capped after belisa joined

he took over a team full of internationals, BPF, Pontus, Douglas, Dallas, Aliskio, Cooper, kilch maybe more i have missed, then pablo and KP and roof and than ain't a bad team is it. these players where all established internationals so that part of your statement was wrong no debate about it

i am not deluded i point out leeds flaws more than most i just don't think our team is any worse than other teams that have got promotion (cardiff, sheff utd, norwich) i think the difference is wilde and faluke turned barn door billy and the flop Pukki into top goal scorers belisa has turned bamford from average to can't score to save life

Belisaball might work but it don't work at this level and with the players. he has not got the best from any of our team other than maybe dallas and KP but then dallas is up for debate. many others are suffering under belisaball

Wildeball works, smithball works, flukball, warnockball, houtgtonball, wagnerball all works at this level

if belisaball worked we would not of been same old leeds falling apart again

look at isoltaed results (plently of them) millwall, charlton, hull, blackburn, qpr twice, wigan, ipswich, brum twice and the list goes all. all have far weaker teams than us yet all have beaten us

ok one off results happen but to keep losing to weaker teams is not a manager or style that works. it is a style that fails time and time again

you love liverpool imgaine if you lost to maybe 12-15 teams that where all bottom half of table and/ or relegated in the last season you would not be happy and saying klopp ball works would you

what part of any of that is deluded? I said one part of your statement was inccorect. it was. now what part of mine is dedluded. which is a very strong word

i acpect our sqaud isn't great but i do not accpect that under a world class coach this lot would not get promotion they would. so the coach ain't all he is cracked up to be.

{Ed001's Note - You think Bamford was some sort of goalscorer? He was crap, he had one season where he had a purple patch, other than that he was a joke. Pontus was sold, how is he relevant unless it is to prove that the squad is being weakened? Cooper made his Scotland debut this year, how is that not down to Bielsa then? And why is it you say it was not a bad team at all he took over when you spent the entire time before he arrived telling us, repeatedly, how crap it was?

Pukki was not turned into a top goalscorer by a manager, he was turned into one by being bombed out of a number of clubs due to coasting. So he started working harder and got a move to Norwich on the back of it.

No idea what Billy Paynter has to do with anything? If you are alluding to Billy Sharp then you clearly have no idea about football, he is one of the top goalscorers in EFL history.

One day you will realise why people who know the game talk about Bielsa as one of the greats. Sadly it will be when people like you hound him out of the club and you slip down the league. I give up bothering you have so much to say but so little of value amongst it all. It is just hot air and bluster repeated ad nauseam.

If Bielsaball doesn't work why weren't you relegated last season?}


14.) 30 Oct 2019 18:54:08
Totally agree Ed001.
You are now known as 'The voice of reason! '👍🏻😂.


15.) 30 Oct 2019 20:06:24
Ed001 Yes tired legs but he just strikes me as what I would call a "meat, potatoes, 2 veg" kind of a striker meaning he'll convert basic to half chances on the regular, i. e. the ones Paddy misses. Bielsaball works yes but better away than home where I call for a more direct approach.


16.) 30 Oct 2019 20:11:24
Ed001 is 100% right - Bielsa is a miracle worker getting our squad to where we currently are with the players that we have. Unless we strengthen in the playing dept. I don't believe anybody would be able to get a tune out of our current squad and certainly not get them anywhere near where Bielsa has. Superior fitness and tactics sees us winning games and drawing others that without that fitness and tactical acumen we would be losing them no question.


17.) 30 Oct 2019 21:03:43
@Berm. Alfie McCalmont got his international debut this year.


18.) 30 Oct 2019 21:29:47
pontus was to prove we had internationals (that one he fell out with)

sharpe i love but many on here slated him yet he is scoring in the prem now largely due to wilde

i agree pukki was made better due to work rate and the manager

bamford i said was average but belisa has made him useless, i believe this is he longest lenght without scoring?

if your arguement is if belisaball don't work why didn't we get relegated then i am not sure i can try to use logic

last year we lost promotion in record breaking fashion. that ain't great is it? a record. then in the playoffs another record

and you ignored my point about keep losing to lesser teams. that ain't great is it

he is a great coach. he has great ideals and when he come to the club we went up another level for six months. then we slipped and now he makes same mistakes and can't seem to turn it back around

great coach maybe. great manager not for me. managers get best from players and best results, best manager can adapt, pick best team, address problems all of which he just ain't done. a lot of problems have plagued him his entire career.

I think he is a great phylosipher of football, great on paper maybe not on grass. for me he is to football what stanisvalski is to acting great on paper but not on stage

ed. klopp is meant to be leaving soonish. would you have belisa? I like liverpool and wouldn't wish him on them.

{Ed001's Note - what are you wittering on about? Nothing you say makes sense. Klopp is not meant to be leaving and Bielsa was the other one I would have taken before Klopp. Philosopher? You talk such nonsense. You are so bloody ignorant it is embarrassing, Billy Sharp is not scoring due to Wilde, he is scoring because he is a good striker who was just unlucky to never get the chance sooner. Partly because of his own choices to stay where he was when opportunity knocked in the past.

I am done the broken record of ignorance is clueless about the game and just shouts louder until all others are drowned out. You will not be happy until you drive the best manager you have any hope of getting out of the club due to your blind ignorance.}


19.) 30 Oct 2019 21:30:44
brockley good point. and has he been getting in our team? no exactly so carlos got him his call up. if the interantional manager is picking him maybe he could replace kiclh who looks dead on feet at the moment.

{Ed001's Note - Do you not realise that international managers will take them because they are working for a great coach? No of course not, you would not know that because you would deny it even if the manager himself came and told you so. You would make up some nonsense about Sheff Utd fans telling you or some other attempt to justify your opinion.}


20.) 30 Oct 2019 22:02:21
You're so right Ed. I remember certain people before Bielsa's whining on repeatedly about how you couldn't turn sub standard players into promotion contenders, ring any bells to some people . Beilsa's comes along with not much investment takes us to 3rd. Certain people are then calling for his head continually as we are only 3rd and not looking like going up, in their not so humble opinion . ! You couldn't make it up . I detect mischief making at work, but I have long suspected this, hence why I try to stay away from the site . Well said Ed, at last some words of wisdom to the doom sayers and mischief makers . That's my humble opinion .

MOT.


21.) 30 Oct 2019 22:14:20
Welcome to our world Ed. Some people believe if they keep repeating and repeating the same stuff again and again then they must be right!
Most on here love what Bielsa has done and is doing for club and long may he continue.
Cooper Klich Dallas Phillips Roberts and Roofe and Jansson when they were here all improved immensely working under MB, not to mention the young lads coming through. And some folk would rather big Sam or Colin as manager. Unbelievable!


22.) 30 Oct 2019 22:30:17
Well said Raggity. Ed is bang on and most agree I believe.
Unfortunately a few faces have disappeared off here lately including Spanish Mick and Martyn said his goodbyes the other day. I don’t think I need to ask what you mean about mischief making.


23.) 30 Oct 2019 22:49:50
You are soooo right Ed001. Bielsa has over achieved not under achieved with a group of players who finished mid table 13tb. BW and George believe we have the best squad

Meanwhile Radz (and Orta) have been busy selling in tbe past 2 years the goals of Wood and Roofe plus Viera Jannson, Clarke, Taylor and many others.


24.) 30 Oct 2019 23:41:27
you a politican Ed you ignore my questions about losing to poor teams over and over and our record breaking fauliure? and twist other points

i never said sharpe was poor i backed him when at leeds, just saying manager like wilde got most from him same with pukki at norwich unlike bamford and belisa. that is my only point and it is a vaild one is it not. or you going to ignore that as well?

what is nonesense exactly? what is so ignorant it is embarassing be a bit more speciafic with your pointed comments please?

as for klopp i heard on football focus him and pep don't stay too long something about four year cycles and they don't believe a manager can stick about too long, klopp said something to this effect which was the segment of the show, not sure if true just repeating what i heard on football focus which ain't a bad source i would say

as for sheff i like them respect them just think wilde has done nothing short of a mircle. no one saw that squad and said promotion. and now they are holding own in prem. it is a good collection of players but under a great manager same with fualke and before that wagner

as for belisa. no i don't rate him. i respect him can see his good points and can see his faults. of which there are many

as for my nonsense ed we will see if he gets us up. i hope he will but don't think he has a cats chance in hell. time will tell how much nonsese that is. as for best manager you don't know that. we could get rid and get in our own dean smith or wilde couldn't we. he is decent but i don't think will get the job done and think out there somewhere is a man who would. for me that man is houghton who i have huge respect for

so keep you pointed ciritiscim till the time when i'm wrong and leeds are in prem until then have a bit of respect. i expect better from an ed to be honest.

{Ed001's Note - yes, yes, you stick to getting your knowledge off Football Focus, that will do it. It is not like it would take much research to find out Klopp has managed just 2 teams before Liverpool and spent 7 years at both, but a 4 year cycle it is.

Respect? You have shown nothing but disrespect to a man who has done things you only wish you could do and knows more than you can dream of about the game. If you showed some respect, you might be in a position to expect some.

What has Bielsa getting you up got to do with it? If you actually took the time to understand other's points, I wouldn't be on here now. No one is saying he has to get Leeds up, people are saying you only had a chance last season and are in with a shout this season because of Bielsa. If you mean Chris Hughton, then you need to check the money Brighton spent to win promotion or how expensive Villa's squad was. Chris Wilder was given time to build something, which you are not willing to give Bielsa because you have a personal dislike of him.

As for expecting better, I expect posters to show intelligence and wit and not be boring repetitive turds who bully every other poster into submission by constantly shouting the same stuff over and over and over. I guess we are both disappointed right now. I have asked you over and over to refrain from repeating the same stuff over and over, but you can't resist it. I would have expected better off a playwright to be honest....}


25.) 31 Oct 2019 00:49:29
Bahypocrite I believe we have the best squad in 17 years and the best manager in 18 years. However, what I see is his unwillingness or inability or both to adapt for home fixtures will turn a 1st or 2nd place in the league into a 5th or 6th. This makes me unhappy. Is my unhappiness unreasonable or unjustified to you?


26.) 31 Oct 2019 07:47:18
@George - I’m not sure it’s our best squad. I’d love to have seen what Bielsa would have done with Gradel, Snodgrass, McCormack, Becchio, Somma, Howson, Johnson, Clayton and Schmeichel.

@BW - re McCalmont. Your argument was that Bielsa was not developing players and the only internationals were internationals before Bielsa. You can’t then use the fact that there is a youth player developed by Bielsa, in the U23s that has been radically transformed by Bielsa and his team, and who has been given first team opportunities (and not done particularly well in them) as another example of Bielsa failing! You were wrong, he has dramatically improved the squad, including in your weird stat of how many internationals have been created (also Klich had been frozen out of the Polish squad for years, but only returned because of Bielsa) - but no doubt you’ll spin this.


27.) 31 Oct 2019 16:16:03
Cracking posts Ed! 🍻🍻🍻👍🏻.


28.) 31 Oct 2019 18:54:21
George you rightly state above that Bielsa is the best Manager we have had in 18 years yet just weeks ago you had several posts calling for Bielsa Out?


29.) 31 Oct 2019 18:56:56
Challenge to George
How and why I am a 'hypocrite'
# good luck Georgey as no evidence or reason given by you at all till now.


 

 

25 Oct 2019 07:36:46
I think any suggestion of sacking MB would be tantamount to football suicide for Leeds United, in my very humble opinion 🤔.

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1.) 25 Oct 2019 09:39:37
Agree.


2.) 25 Oct 2019 09:48:08
I would not favour sacking him as we are playing entertaining football towards the top end of the league but for the highest paid manager in the league I find his stubborn streak to be unpalatable. he has boxed himself into a corner with the Bamford situation which will result in us losing Nketiah and putting Bamford under ridiculous pressure. Likely that Nketiah will leave in January and we will not replace because Bielsa believes that a new player would require a pre-season to learn his methods, this will leave us with Roberts as back up. It is this type of rigidity that I would not expect from a highly experienced and well paid manager.


3.) 25 Oct 2019 10:23:55
Agree with you Notts and with all the others. To even contemplate a sacking would be a mad suicide. More likely however is that the big man will walk at the end of the season.


4.) 25 Oct 2019 10:27:14
Sacking El Loco would make him appear to be the sane one! Personally don’t want him to ever leave!


5.) 25 Oct 2019 11:32:19
No point sacking till Xmas by which time both sides of the argument will have more info on if that is right thing to do or not

Personally I’d sack him after his record breaking fail last season I wanted a clear boost and improvement which ain’t there instead the same old problems exists also annoying bigger clubs with loan assets is sucide at this level and that could hurt Leeds in long run.


6.) 25 Oct 2019 12:08:14
We have been in the top six since Bubs took over so can not see any logic in asking for his head. Think he needs to step off his high horse though and realise that its about results not just playing pretty football. Sure he has the know how to tweak things but will he. Think recruitment is key but if we are doing it on a shoestring it makes it harder to go the next step. Pretty sure if Radz said we are getting Gayle, Bowen and Dack in Jan sure Bubs would not knock him back.


7.) 25 Oct 2019 12:57:22
Sacking will not be needed as the He will walk if things are not to his liking, he’s not the sort of person to take crap!


8.) 25 Oct 2019 12:58:42
Notts, Bielsa wanted James to come last January window, so not sure your claim that he would not agree to new arrivals mid season has any validity.


9.) 25 Oct 2019 13:38:22
Fans are all great managers when it suits us. Bielsa commands more respect than he is getting. Here is a manager who has drag us out of that endless spiraling pit of drab mid table football and now courting us with promotion to the Premiership.
Without doubt he is the best manager we’ve had since Wilko. He’s elevated very mediocre Leeds players onto another level, ie; Phillips, now rated as a 20Mil+ premiership player. Getting out of the Championship has now become a very difficult task for all teams and Marcelo Bielsa is our manager/ coach, God knows we don’t deserve him but he is ours.
For however long Bielsa believes Bamford is the man for the job, then Bamford is the man for the job.
On the surface everything always looks so obvious and I for one can not and will not believe that his methods are unworthy of us winning promotion.


10.) 25 Oct 2019 14:51:49
He has said it himself Bazooka - Bielsa sees it difficult to integrate new players in Jan as they can take up to 6 weeks to understand his system.


11.) 25 Oct 2019 15:47:33
Agree with all that except your last paragraph. You can not just say Bubs picks him so he is ok. Any manager in any league would be concerned if his No 9 is not scoring, Bubs included. If Bubs believes what he says about his work rate and he does not need to score then where will goals come from. Harrison, doubt it, Klich maybe a couple, Coasta Bubs already said his game will suffer, Roberts possible when he decides to play him. Shacks not his game, Dallas not even assists Alioski 4 or 5 at most. Eddie is the most likely to score when he is on the pitch, yes he may disrupt the pattern of play a little but if Bubs is saying he cannot compensate for this then he is not the genius a lot of you think he is.


12.) 25 Oct 2019 16:52:17
he commands respect?

respect is earnt. he has the record for the worst second half of a season. he has the record for falling apart and P'''Ing away automatic promotion

he lost any points his previous good work built up with back end of last season

so this season is a clean slate. so i judge again. have we imporved from last christmas? a record breaking slump. i don't think so

some leeds fans need to aim higher. record breaking faiulre don't quite cut it for me, don't care how nice the passes are or how how much of the ball we waste. sorry have.


13.) 25 Oct 2019 19:26:58
Bermondsey, you and I are on opposite poles mate, we both beg to differ. I respect but reject your stance on Bielsa. FYI i believe we have 1 point more than we did at this time last season, so improvement on last season?
We still won’t know at Xmas wether Bielsa will succeed, or not in your opinion.
End of season fella when we get promoted, I will make you eat your words :) as much as in your opinion you will make me eat mine.
I won’t say good luck for obvious reasons.


14.) 25 Oct 2019 20:17:16
Not just a point better off, 3 places better off, as we were 5th this time last year.


 

 

 

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06 Nov 2019 21:19:55
Vid couldn’t agree more it’s a bit like saying “this time next year, we’ll all be millionaires” but. you never know;)

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04 Nov 2019 08:24:12
Definitely agree with snapping up Ben White ASAP, as for the FFP rules they do make considerable restrictions for clubs to buy.
But you can see some clubs do bend the rules somewhat ie; Wolves, Derby etc.
Sadly one rule for one and not with the other when Leeds Utd are concerned.

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03 Nov 2019 19:22:35
From what I understand if he completes the quota of games that Brighton agreed with Leeds, then he can stay till the end of season.
Judging by the amount of games he’s playing I don’t think that will be problem.
Don’t think there a clause to buy though, but who knows, if we are promoted he might decide to leave Brighton?
They may be relegation fodder? He’s definitely a weapon would love to have him on board.

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02 Nov 2019 21:37:31
Indeed, credit where it’s due George. Not as stubborn as we thought Bielsa, quite a unexpected formation today dropping Klitch a little deeper to make way for Tyler. Thought Harrision had one of his better days, just wish he could be more consistent.

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01 Nov 2019 15:30:51
Never was offended by his opinions, largely his comments were good banter, even if he is completely wrong about Phillips and Biesla, in my opinion, but of course he is entitled to his also. I think in his own words he did say, if you don’t like my comments then you should grow a spine. Probably should apply that to himself.
I think his repetitiveness was becoming irritating to some. We all have differing opinions, make it and move onto the next I say.
Looking forward to the game this weekend, hopefully welcoming back Shacks and Cooper. ⚽️⚽️ nil.

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