Leeds Banter Archive July 01 2020

01 Jul 2020 21:29:48
I realize everyone is all over the place, but the last time I checked we were TOP of the league. AND that is where we will stay. So stop all the moaning and bitching about whatever you can dig up to put club down. It's absolutely amazing what some people will harp back to just to say I told you so!
Keep the faith all you proper Leeds SUPPORTERS.

01 Jul 2020 21:53:14
Hear hear Corky.

01 Jul 2020 22:17:16
CORK, I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER!

01 Jul 2020 22:20:08
Aha Corky that old chestnut that a 'supporter' means you just stick your head in the sand and are not allowed to constructively criticise anything such as for example a deja vu pattern of mistakes being repeated from last season ( January window and onwards)

However, I sincerely hope you are right about your prediction of coming 1st ( I will be ecstatic with either 1st or 2nd ) if we had. a decent striker it would have been a given.

01 Jul 2020 22:57:48
same old offensive carp. a true fan, blah, blah blah

when we beat fulham i took great pleasure in belittling myself as the orical. i took none in what i posted after the luton game. some people forget that

sad thing is last year we threw it away. even in todays paper they said any other team you would have leeds a shoe in for promotion but then this is leeds (the sun) now my point is us so called fans say it fora reason. the papers print it for a reason

I'd love to be posting about how wrong i am when promotion comes. but that said would i put my life on promotion. no i wouldn't. can i see Brentford and west brom going up and us getting beaten over two legs by cardiff. sadly i can. as as a true supporter i shall lose sleep worrying about it until the day promotin is secure.

01 Jul 2020 22:57:52
Constructively criticise? I’d hate to imagine if we were just a mid table team, like nearly every season, what kind of stuff the likes of you would throw at the club. Personally I’m delighted we’re in with a chance of promotion and playing a type of football most are envious of.
MOT.

01 Jul 2020 23:36:44
To constructively criticise is to provide feedback, put forward specific reccomemdations on how to improve certain stuations . Is that what you are doing BV?

01 Jul 2020 23:49:09
No one either player, manager or director of football means to make mistakes . Unfortunately in life these things happen. To support means to aid and abeit, encourage etc To suggest a plaer or olayers has an ulterior motive not to do well beyond belief . Criticise all yoi want it is your right as a human being, a fan maybe, but not a supporter .

02 Jul 2020 00:02:12
I hope Cork is right, but I agree with a quality striker we would be over the line already.

02 Jul 2020 00:43:05
Raggity absolutely yes

for example when one pleads with Orta not to repeat said mistakes of last season. and this time actually sign permanent ( not loan) fit striker or two who knows how to put tbe ball in the net . then yes that would be one solution to start with ole chap.

02 Jul 2020 00:47:17
Corky ' the likes of you ' cheers.

02 Jul 2020 01:10:00
For the ' wordsmiths' ( as if) Corky and Raggity . The definition of a football supporter :
' A person who is actively interested in and wishes success for a particular football team'

Yep thanks that is a very accurate description of me, a supporter of Leeds United for nearly 50 years wishing great success every season for Leeds United, not that I need the ' likes of you' two for approval or otherwise . cheers 😊👍.

02 Jul 2020 02:04:24
Well as its already done and he didn't heed your advice, what do you recommend for our final 6 important games?

02 Jul 2020 02:10:04
You make up your own defination of supporter BV . Whatever suits, my definition of supporter is somone who supports the team they have also supported for 47 years and are in the best position they have been in the last 14 years, withoit going over the top and critcising everyone other player and employee of the club . Same support just differing definitions . Cheer up mate, we are top of the league . Ps everl loss ain't a crisis .

02 Jul 2020 02:15:17
One other thing BV have you looked at the table we have scored the 3rd most goals in the league as a team and let in the fewest I must add . Before you say if we had rhat great goalscore we woud be promoted already, Fulham in my opinion have the best goalscore in the league, oh they're 4th .

02 Jul 2020 02:18:40
I prefer to deal with facts . #justsäying.

02 Jul 2020 04:09:44
Zooky I'm the wordsmith around these parts. Bermy is the orical 😆. Just call Cork by his abbreviation. CCCP. the virus Corky's Censorship Police 😄😂

Stifling good debate and complaints has proven time and time again to be counterintuitive and counterproductive. This is 🇬🇧 not Communist 🇷🇺 at least not yet.

02 Jul 2020 04:54:12
Bazooka, 100% agreed couldn’t have put it better my self, we are all supporting our team, but it doesn’t stop you having a opinion, it’s called freedom of speech.

02 Jul 2020 07:40:27
Baz your definition of supporter is actually the definition of a fan, a supporter is exactly what it says. Someone who pays money every game at the turnstiles, buys a programme and gets a pie and a pint inside the ground hence there money going towards the day to day running of the club and supporting them financially.
Just saying.

02 Jul 2020 07:58:09
Raggity lol ' my definition'? . no lol . I quoted the official definition from lexico.com and yes I fully concur with it.

And as you say you Raggity you 'prefer to deal with facts ' we are the second worst at converting chances. enough said

anyway we all want the same thing Leeds promotion hope it forking happens.

02 Jul 2020 08:00:58
Georgey lol 🤣🥴😉 love it CCCP Communist Corkys Censorship Police .
. so true!

02 Jul 2020 08:21:07
Baz I apologize for the “likes of you” comment as I didn’t mean it to sound that way.

02 Jul 2020 08:31:30
Tad it's not MY definition lol I quoted Lexico. com. but really the semantics of this is irrelevant.

02 Jul 2020 09:24:21
I think BV's posts are insightful and very good. they are one of the many reasos this site is so good, so get off his back ey? just because he doesn't agree and can point out the negitive doesn't mean he should be shouted down.

Other points maybe for half harted fans like corkey a poor performance doesn't really hurt. maybe the bitter dissapointment of last season is all too eaisly forgotten. maybe for us proper fans it matters more and hurts more? maybe that might be a fact and should be considered. I am still not over last years bitter dissapointment

as for our success it is all perspective. yes we can be great but we are also frutrating. since belisa took over we have stuggled against poor teams (often with 10 men) this cost us last year (lets face it we should be in prem) and might cost us this year. Yes it is great to be top, yes the performances against fulahm and the like are pure class, but that doesn't make the performances against millwall, ipsicwh, cardiff, luton, wigan any better they were still not good enouhg

look at city. they are second best team in the league yet have been really poor, if i was a city fan i'd be fuming. yet sheff wed and wolves have not done as well as city but have over performed, if i supported them i'd be over the moon

taddy also a question for you. if you had to move away from leeds for a job or if you couldn't go to leeds due to ilness or lack of money would that make you less of a fan? acorrding to your discpriton it would?

02 Jul 2020 11:18:56
Well the same goes both ways, if someone makes a positive comment and someone diagrees should they be sbouted down or told to get thete heads out of the sand? Its just which side of rhe fence you sit! Differing opinions are not a bad thing, just different opinions .

02 Jul 2020 11:51:01
BV I love and feel your passion, we do all want the same thing . MOT.

02 Jul 2020 12:05:55
Thank you for your apology Corky re ' likes if you ' I appreciate it.

We all want the best for Leeds United.

02 Jul 2020 12:08:03
Many Thanks Berm for your appreciation and comments.

02 Jul 2020 12:09:33
Many thanks Ragitty for your most recent comment. much appreciated. indeed . so true!

02 Jul 2020 12:17:10
Now, now fellas! I think we all can agree, that we are all Leeds Fans and Supporters, but as is life, have differing perspectives on virtually everything. We wouldn’t be writing on this site if we weren’t all passionate about our club. I personally have no issue with Radz or Orta. To me they are both clearly very passionate about the team and the club! The last two seasons has given us the best football since D’OL and Sgt Wilko, and despite last Seasons demise, I’ve loved watching us play! MOT. On, on, on!

02 Jul 2020 13:09:11
Zooky Thought it would be right up your alley 😆😄💛💙💛💙⚽️.

02 Jul 2020 14:26:50
Indeed it was Georgey 😊😊😊.

01 Jul 2020 14:50:02
No urgency in our play until we went behind and only really then until we equalised . Ponderous build up play with too many touches and too many passes going anywhere but forwards . Corners an absolute embarrassing disgrace such that every time we get one my heart sinks . Bamford is a joke closely followed by Costa and since the restart Klich and Phillips haven't got going at all . We have had one good 45 minutes second half against Fulham out of 270! Bielsa is a stubborn old goat and shows too much faith in under performers . Costa needs benching so Harrison can play down the right where he's so much better with Alioski whose been a revelation on the left wing . Once Pablo is fully fit the clown Bamford must be dropped for Tyler before he sabotages our season further . As it is I feel we are competing with West Brom for second place and will only go up if their meltdown continues which we can't assume . NOTE TO EDS PLEASE DON'T PUT THIS POST IN THE BARREN WASTELAND KNOWN AS DISCUSSION POSTS AS NO ONE READS THEM . Rant over!

01 Jul 2020 15:34:34
Good post

Fully agree RHC on all points made.

01 Jul 2020 16:48:16
With my brother on this. Almost as if he lives in my brain. Zooks will tell you there's not enough room!

01 Jul 2020 19:04:54
Surely Edmondson is worth a place on the bench if he is fit. It would offer another option.

01 Jul 2020 19:05:39
Ha indeed Georgie.

01 Jul 2020 19:28:37
feath you would think edmondosn is worth a slot on bench but have to remember belisa don't like other options. that might mean using a plan b.

01 Jul 2020 20:23:32
We drew against a team on form, fighting to survive, and everyone is suddenly Bobby Robson! Calm down! For want of a non scouse phrase!

01 Jul 2020 20:26:22
Edmondson and the U23s play the same way as the first team. I see no reason for him not to be on the bench.

01 Jul 2020 21:10:25
Bright white
Best post today, everytime I red a post on here today I have had to check the league table in case I missed something,

01 Jul 2020 22:05:21
I was prepared to accept Bamford if he was committed and giving it 100% but he’s always on his mobile phone whether subbed (As Sky commentary referred to) or coming into the ground on Sunday. A bit like the Player on Mike Bassett England Manager.

02 Jul 2020 04:12:37
Seven If his mobile phone is anything like his conversion rate it'll be 2G most of the time.

02 Jul 2020 09:27:10
bright it is not that one performance as a one off but as a constant pattered against the weaker teams. how many times under bleisa have we done poorly against a team in the bottom five? it is not good enough to keep constantly dropping points against poor teams and we do it more often than not.

that one performance i have no wrry with. last year missing out on promotion due to dropping points to wigan, blackburn, qpr, isphic, wall i have a massive problem with and it seems this problem belisa can't fix. and having a manager who can't fix this problem worries me.

02 Jul 2020 12:18:30
Lol George! I like that one!

01 Jul 2020 11:45:26
There are 4 players who are really letting the club and their team mates down significantly since the restart of games.

Is it too much to ask for KP, Klich, Bamford and Costa to display professionalism and play much, much better than they are
currently showing. They have all played much much better this season and last season and are only playing at less than 50% of their capability
, effectiveness and yes EFFORT.

I could say more about what I perceive could be their hidden intentions but I will leave it at that.

01 Jul 2020 11:58:03
i have to say i feel for Klich and Bamford.

I know I bang on about KP but for sake of argument let's say i have a point. 1st half Kp was great then bottom of the table luton up there game and take KP out of the game, all kp did second half was foul as game run past him

now due to kp being so slow, immbolie and out of position Klich is having to do two players jobs (how many times was klich in deep defensive positions winnig the ball back) not only does this tire him but it also means he can't be in positins to hurt the other team and in space to take the ball

now bamford. when other team plays deep we are always slow and pedistrain with nothing but sideways passes. We have no attacking options and by the time the ball hits the box bamford always has three players around him. How can he find time and space to score. due to this bamford has to make runs to open up space but this means going into positions that don't hurt the other team. of course he needs to be more clinical but even arguo would sturggle in our team when we play as slow as we did last night. the nu 9 is simply crowded out.

01 Jul 2020 12:31:22
Berm I feel the burning desire and determination of Pablo, Dallas, Ayling Alioski and others in their emotions and performances on the pitch that they want to get Leeds promoted more than anything.

I realise this is contentious but I simply
dont that much with KP, Klich, Bamford and Costa. hopefully their performances pick up considerably and I am mistaken.

01 Jul 2020 13:11:39
Go on Baz? What do you think their hidden intentions are?
I agree that Klich is certainly not the same player as pre lockdown, and would like to see Poveda start ahead of Costa. But interested in your conspiracy theory!

01 Jul 2020 13:28:20
Brighty 😊 as I said I will leave it at that . hopefully I am mistaken.

01 Jul 2020 10:55:12
We already know about Bamford’s wastefulness in front of goal, but the the player i'm feeling that should be showing signs of his potential is Costa. He does exhibit some brief moments of his speed and skill but it’s doesn’t seem to be coming together.
As for the result I’ll take a point, it’s never a good time to be playing a team scrapping for survival and with an upturn in form. There’s going to be some surprise results for the run in, so no need to get too upset about this one.
We’re still in top spot.

01 Jul 2020 11:18:44
Yep OP Luton have been one the form teams . in the last 8 games losing just once. and beating Brentford. so last night result while very. disappointing is not a disgrace

letting them. score though was gut wrenching and crucial . I was confident we would win 1 nil


keeping clean. sheets is vital with our goalscoring issues which is what we were doing pre Lockdown.

01 Jul 2020 11:38:56
Good shout Opt, Costa is on the Bamford bus for me.
Teams coming up against us will to open up as draws won't be enough.

01 Jul 2020 13:33:18
I remember reading online wolves fans totally overjoyed reading that Costa had left, by + large he has been poor for us, no consistentcy.

01 Jul 2020 13:50:08
Yep, he shows glimpses now and again, such as his determination to win the ball, and then feeding Bamford for the Fulham goal, but like others say, there is no consistency! I don’t recall ever thinking “well he had a blinder today”.

01 Jul 2020 09:18:15
As I have said for some time Bielsa is very good and has brought the club a long way. He is, like he has shown so many times in the past, he has flaws. He has developed the team so much but his insistence on having such a small club requires a high level of player recruitment.

We have only only striker on the team sheet (in the squad) and that's Bamford and he isn't a goal scorer. We have Robert's who would do better than Bamford but he isn't prolific either.

We have Hernandez who is excellent but needs to be nursed through the season. We have just two centre halves both decent but prone to making serious errors and pose little threat at attacking set pieces Overall our general play is the best in the division but giving away sloppy goals and not being able to break down teams at the bottom of the division is a serious flaw.

The reason why they are at the bottom is that most of the other teams have beaten them. Why can't we? Bielsa was hailed as a tactical genius because of his substitutions against Fulham. Don't agree. He changed the team at half time -yes but only because of his poor initial team selection.

Bamford has been poor for some time and shouldn't have even started. Roberts has done better when asked. Why isn't he been asked? Costa is weak. Bit of speed and ball control but lacks a lot of physicality. There's is reason why Wolves wanted rid. We see it most games. Remove Bamford and Costa. Play Roberts and Alioski and if Hernandez is unfit play someone like Shackleton.

It's bound to be a better combination. If Bielsa keeps playing the same flawed team its quite possible that West Brom will come good again, Brentford will keep going and we will finish third or fourth.

01 Jul 2020 10:03:08
the bamford question comes down to this. Belisa is an idiot

we can all see the problems with bamford (good player but nt a number 9) but belisa can't or won't address this

many have blamed recurment but this is wrong to do so

we had a great young player who is scoring in the prem league in nekita. if he can play and score for arsenal why not leeds?

look at our celebreated strikers. Beckford, Mccormack, Chapman, Woods. all great players who scored at this level. none of them would get picked by belisa. no point getting a good player for belisa to bench him. and certainly no one would loan a stiker to us after the way belisa used nekita.

we either have to accept bamford is belisa's only want of striker and even if we had 10 strikers at the club only belisa would be picked.

01 Jul 2020 10:05:19
I have to agree with most of that Hess. Last nigh showed that when the chips are down some players have not got that extra 2% and come the close season a shake up is required. Certainly starting with a 20+ goal a season striker.
Again we saw Bielsas' (love the man) flaw, unbreakable loyalty, to his men and to his system. I do not think the man is capable of admitting that he needs a Plan B.
I agree with Hernandez but impossible he is so vital to the way we play and looking further ahead I worry about getting a full, next season out of him. I hope that Orta/ Kinnear are scouring the World to find a young Pablo. Bamford, again part of Bielsas flaw. Costa, flatters to deceive, even if he has all the skill in the world he cannot perform consistently (or even when we need it) . Like him or loathe him he is certainly showing that he is not worth the asking price.
Lately Brentford, going like a train. This is their run, that everyone goes on. I can see them hauling in West Brom. Winning is a habit.
When many were posting earlier of "kicking on" and getting it done I cautioned earlier a bit of reality. We are Leeds. That is not the Leeds way.