Leeds Banter Archive August 29 2014
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29 Aug 2014 22:35:04
Let's go with pace and passing to feet tmrw, maybe ajose as an outlet to get in behind defense, perhaps benedicic and sloth for some creativity
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30 Aug 2014 02:04:29
Mighty, who do you want to lead the charge on the pace front? Poleon? Um, who else?
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30 Aug 2014 02:10:14
OKAY. Steve Clarke or Roberto did Mateo. But both have been tainted with that blue colour. And there's something therefore that don't sit right.
I said back in the day that Poyet was the brains when we got wise. Time has prove right.
Aaah well. Maybe I'll just have to forgive and forget old trafford, blue is the colour. And 1970 cupnfinals. It's hard after a life time though.
MOT
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Toronto, it's time to move on and hope we get the possible coach and players, no matter where they have played or coached before.
We can't afford to be picky
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29 Aug 2014 21:49:57
There has got to be a formula to being a successful football team. 👍
First up a fan base 💪
Second thing a stadium and staff ♖
Third. a load of money, I mean loads like thousands of millions! Anyone help me with this one?
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Spurs spent £100+ still same spurs!
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100 mill would defo see us in prem. I reckon even half that and I also reckon mc has got the cash
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29 Aug 2014 21:15:10
Been reading the twitter comments about Hockaday and I am really pleased that he has not been slaughtered by most Leeds fans. Who can blame him for taking the job, if someone called me tomorrow and said will you coach and pick the team for LUFC I would jack my job and be there in a flash and I have no where near the experience of Hockaday. I hope the guy does well and leaving the circus that is Leeds United cannot be bad for anyone.
Hope we have a good performance tomorrow going with my lad and last seasons home game against Bolton nearly put him off for life. Come on Leeds.
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Hock shld be credited for taking next step from McD actually got us trying to pass ball (Ausin excepted). McD never tried that, just hoofball.
He just wouldn't take next step implementing new players & youth to rid us of antiquated midfield, also rigid diamond system which shows he's stuck in his ways. We have to adapt formations for diff teams but he couldn't see it.
I didn't want or like the bloke but his dignity has come through. Good luck to him
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29 Aug 2014 19:39:30
So we need a new manager / coach / dogs body and 2 wingers? How about Brian McDermott jimmy Kebe and cameron Stewart?
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30 Aug 2014 02:05:52
As likely to happen as Mourinho Ronaldo and di Maria.
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29 Aug 2014 19:14:14
Gary Mac would be a good manager I would have him for a season and see how he shape up
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29 Aug 2014 21:07:18
I agree Gary Mac would be a good HEAD COACH if Steve Clarke doesn't come off.
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29 Aug 2014 19:01:24
Shame about the Hock, I honestly feel bad for him but he just wasn't good enough and had to go. For me I think Cellino has to do all he can to get Steve Clarke in, even if it means relinquishing some of that dominance in the transfers, to be fair I think Cellino is starting to learn and adapt and I don't think he'll go through managers like he used to. I think Cellino should be allowed a little period of trial and error considering all the good he's done, our squad are definitely capable of top 10 with a decent coach, much better squad then last year
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Fair point Surrey, I felt the same about Hock as I am a big softie at heart. He lived the dream though didn't he?
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29 Aug 2014 21:03:31
Steve Clarke has spent most of his career as a coach and done a damn good job at some top clubs with no responsibility for transfers etc. I think this is his best role and personally don't think he would be too worried about being head coach only. The only stumbling block may be the salary but according to Phil Hay we have already made contact.
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A good manager would want a 2 year + contract, but a down-and-out like Hockaday, would likely take a shorter contract or a smaller salary. Therefore a good manager like Clarke would be expensive if sacked early. Bit of a balancing act, but for me, go with a proven coach/manager. pay less salary but big bonuses for good results. let's face it, when you are unemployed, a job is a job, even if it's at Leeds.
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29 Aug 2014 18:18:57
I just hope MC doesn't turn us into the laughing stock of English football. Unheard of after unheard player arriving and God knows how many manager/coaches he going to get through! Got a bad feeling he's going to hire another name we are all oblivious to and then sack him if, and probably when, results don't go our way.
Still not 100% sure but got a feeling Cellino is our manager, its just that he gets someone else to take training! I am not being all doom and gloom but he has a very strange way of running a football club. And don't tell me its the continental way of doing things, because its not. Anyway here hoping for a successful successor to the Hock. Thank God i'm not pissed as I would never get that sentence out! MOT.
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29 Aug 2014 21:28:38
Don't be too sad he would av got a decent pay off!
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Think your wrong Corky or else all the Italians would be in the team all the time,
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29 Aug 2014 15:23:29
Love adryan to sign as well as delort to sign.
Should go for alli from mk dons as well as wingers.
Need a LB too.
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Gonna seriously have to get a bigger subs bench then?
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29 Aug 2014 14:36:37
Why are 80% people posting I'd like this guy I'd like that guy? Lads your ALL quoting managers.
Unless MC has a massive change of heart then it's a coach we are looking for, big big difference between a coach and a manager & most of the postings you say you'd like WONT work for a guy who pick players for them.
Sorry but that's life ;(
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Spot on Andy. None of the names being bandied about will be interested in being told to "shut up". Massimo wants a yes man and we won't have heard of him. My guess is he'll give Redders a go and if he gets a couple of results, he will try and bend his arm into taking the job even though he said he doesn't want it.
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I agree MM and Andy, but Yorkshire Post saying Clarke definately interested and if he gets it I would be a happy Leeds fan . But Mass owns the club and its his call . On a brighter note, it looks like Adryan on his way lol u
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I am not sure that sherwood and clarke wouldn't take the job. head coach is the same as a manager working with sporting director. very similar sporting director and manager both pick players similar to set up at leeds. Mourino is one of the best managers and he works in that set up (albeit at a very big club) did mourino want shevkncoko? not saying it is ideal and do think we will get a foreign coach just saying I wouldn't rule out a english manager although I would say it's 70/30 if that makes sense
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I know what your saying B, think back rumour has it Morhinio departed chelski the first time because the Russian-ruler was buying the players he wanted Schevchenko etc and a big fall out occurred.
He's back on different terms now and luiz-Mata-lukaku have been shipped out.
Morhinio is in charge this time ;)
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Compeltly don't think my example was the best but few managers do opertate under a sporting director. our situation is a bit different and I personally think sporting director is rubish and manager should have %100 power and live or die by his results and descions. think it is also very popular on the continet and with watford who had a decent result on saturday. not the biggest fan of this way but happy to give chance. few have said steve clark is interested and he is really a coach who has managed. mc has said he wants an english guy and would be over the moon if it happened although not holding breath
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Maybe Cellino is learning he can't operate like he did in Italy - I hope so. His experiment has failed and maybe he will get Clarke in as is being touted all over Twitter. Hope so.
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29 Aug 2014 14:22:25
Could it be Carbone? I know he left for 'family reasons', but I wouldn't be surprised if he reappeared.
I'd love it to be Clarke, Garcia, Sherwood - however I believe it will be a bloke from the lower Italian leagues that we have never heard of.
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Hope it isn't Carbone, he would be a step backwards in my opinion.
As long as we get someone with a bit of experience and the ability to communicate with the players I'll be happy.
. for now at least. lol!
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Agree Leeds.
I wouldn't mind Zola got the Hornets playing nice football but confused why he ran away from Watford when the going got tough?
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Met zola in sainsburys in chislehurst. he is really tiny. another interesting fact from my life. also met billy bonds, hale from hale and pace and the guy who use to host they think it's all over. chislehust sainsbury is the place to be
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29 Aug 2014 13:42:01
For everyone talking about us being a "joke" and no manager with any "profile" touching us with a barge pole.
Spurs managers since 2001 (Levy years)
Pleat (twice)
Clive Allen (twice)
Graham
Hoddle
Santini
Jol
Ramos
Redknapp
AVB
Sherwood
Pochettino
They're hardly in a spiral towards league one, are they? MC realised his mistake with DH and corrected it, just like DL did with Santini & Ramos.
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{Ed013's Note - Don't worry about Spurs, or any other teams. Leeds will have their day again}
Agree 100 with ed and nmclufc72. we will rise again cream always does and I think it will be under MC. Just a shame Hock wasnt given more of a chance
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Make your mind up. You've been slagging the bloke since 15 minutes in at Millwall, now you say shame he wasn't given more of a chance. Priceless.
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Bermondsey, I assume you are taking the micky. You wanted him burnt at the stake the moment his name was mentioned!
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29 Aug 2014 18:53:14
Irony methinks Chris! 1-0 to Berm just hope its 1-0 Leeds tomoz!
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My hock comment was very tounge in cheek. made my mind up from day one and never changed it. I want to hire hock again just to sack him
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29 Aug 2014 11:22:39
Did the hock ever really stand a chance? Feel for the guy.
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Save your sympathy mate, it's the only job I know outside politics where you can get a pay off for being crap! Feel sorry for a 60yrs old machine operator on shifts under the threat of redundancy 😫
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Van gaal reckons you need more than a month to turn things around so it seems it doesn't matter who you are you still need time Hock had a chance but not for long enough. imo.
Next guy needs a proper chance! and a better pedigree for sure.
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He knew waht he was getting in to and all the risks involved. Had to take the job though . who wouldn't!
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The players who got sent off can pat themselves on the back on a job well done. We might not have lost 2 of the 4 games we've lost if the players had shown some discipline. Oh well, that's then and this is now. come on Redders put your own stamp on the team. 3 points no less! 'Spoons here I come.
MoT
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Sorry but did the hock ever really stand a chance. change that for should the hock of ever got a chance? yes you need time but he didn't deserve time or a chance. he had four years at forest green and was useless. everything the man did was comic his press statements interviews team selections and lack of tactics and game plan. I look at the record and decide in my mind how much time and a chance they should get and was against hock from the off. Van Gal deserves time look at what he has achvieved. an unproven manager desevres time we all start somewhere a failed none league manager desverd being chased out of town for just saying yes to a job he couldn't do. it was like me saying yes I can be the queens body guard I had a fight once and watch a lot of boxing. out of his depth and no chance given. I will never forgive the hock
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"The players who got sent off can pat themselves on the back on a job well done. We might not have lost 2 of the 4 games we've lost if the players had shown some discipline."
Sorry, Mad Mick, but there is a person responsible for the discipline of the team, and it's not me or you.
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Leeds
When you put your players on the pitch ONLY ONE person can get himself sent off and one person only.
Cantonas Kung fu kick was that fergies fault?
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I'd have to say Andy. I agree lol
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Agree andy. people like di-canio, cantona, suarze all have issuse at times. people like keane and veria expect the red card often. but when you get four different players all getting reds and some player who are not know for it (bryam and sharp should of gone as well) think you can say it might be lack of respect or discapline or problems in the dressing room/training picth boiling over. not saying it was hocks fault but maybe fingers can be pointed and questions asked
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Leedsalongtime. Sorry mate but I have played plenty of amateur football and once you cross that white line it's down to personal discipline. The Hock can be blamed for a lot but none of those sending offs IMO.
MM
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Yeah ok mm point taken. I play as well it is down to sometimes just seeing red (altough I never did, did get booked once for saving a pentaly and saying I was sha@@ing the takers wife and mum) other than that kept nose clean. I gues even I can't pin this on the hock. worth a shot though
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B
How old r u?
Most of the lads I'm playing with at the moment are late 40s early 50s maybe we could arrange a FRIENDLY bit of soccer n a few beers ;)
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29 Aug 2014 11:15:17
Does anyone think that with all the difficulty taking over the club, Massimo took a British coach to appease the FL and get them off his back. Knowing that he himself would pick the players coming in, if the cheap as chips coach worked OK until he has a losing streak, if not get rid quickly (as in the hock) for next to no cash and bring in an Italian which was always plan A.
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Personally think that he was coach long enough to get in the players cellino wanted.Now transfer window is just about to shut cellino can bring in someone else, no time for new coach to have any input at all.No decent coach would want little or no input on transfers coming in, it's win win for cellino.
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No, they were a Heaps of trouble.
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Ox white said that all along mate something very odd happened with carboni. I think hock was warming his seat and something went wrong somewhere. what exactly was carboni's job why did he leave and didn't he leave the door open for a return. like a plot of eastenders yet ER always is a bit. why we love the club MOT
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29 Aug 2014 11:12:36
the most reliable coach we have ever had since after The Don was Wallace Arnold
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29 Aug 2014 13:27:29
Never broke down! ha ha!mot.
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29 Aug 2014 09:59:12
Reckon mcc thought only way leeds are going to win for me is to sack hock. Thanks mate. 4-0 will be good! Mcc also said he should have done it sooner!? No, thanks for the memories for you mate!
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29 Aug 2014 11:43:41
MC will decide no matter what.
IMO Steve Clarke has a vast amount of coaching skills and quality, experience gained from his Newcastle days with Gullit and Chelsea with Mourinho. Worked as assistant also under Zola at West Ham. Success with Liverpool coaching, First managerial position with West Brom is arguably considered a success - Manager of the month, finishing 8th.
6 major honours as a player, incl Chelsea player of the year 94.
MC, stick you're long haul hat on and grab Clark. He has the credentials its up to you to show your commitment to him.
The others in the race are either unknown qualities or we have been there before, New blood and vision needed after all 12/13 new players to deal with. MOT
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Yeah Clarke is pretty much the only logical candidate who might come.No way pulis would come.Clarke has spent the majority of his time coaching as you say so we might have a shot.Just hoping it's not a serie b standard Italian
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29 Aug 2014 13:10:07
Agree 100%. I'd wnat to see him spend some of the Ross £11M on Clarke to get the team on a solid base for this season and to go for promotion next. I'm not writing off this season yet, but I think there are other teams better set than us already.
No point wasting money now, let's see what we've got when the transfer window shuts and with a quality coach who can build a "team".
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29 Aug 2014 13:20:46
I agree with you southern Clarke would be an excellent choice but can you in all honesty see him or any other established managers coming to work under someone as unpredictable & egotistical as MC . I was very sceptical about MC buying our club in the first place after the whole affair with Bmac but over pre season & up until this point I have agreed & being pleased with a lot of the things he has done he's certainly a very astute businessman but I fear he is severly lacking in knowledge about the English game & the way he is going about player recruitment shows this, I fear things are going to get a lot worse before he realises his mistakes and takes a step back I only hope he realises in time otherwise I can see a few years in league one obscurity looming .
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White would be my first choice also, good coaching and footballing background . But MCC might have other ideas lol Y Post saying he is very interested, so all you negative ones saying no good manager would look at us ( including Mr Giles ) have a rethink lol
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29 Aug 2014 09:57:57
Anyone fancy oscar garcia, would get us playing the passing footballl massimo seems to want
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I wouldn't mind Garcia, however my first choice would be Roberto di matteo, with Eddie Howe close second! Both play attractive attacking football!
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29 Aug 2014 08:41:57
Personally I would of given hock more time, at least the bolton game to get a win, anyhow moving on. think grayson would be worth another go. don't fancy an italian manager though, cellino's more than enough!
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Your allowed your opinion however hock should of been sacked 12 minutes into openeing game. interviews. joke. pass record. joke. four years at forest green. joke. everything the man has ever done (or failed to do) Joke. for you to put this I assume you must be the hock's mother of the Hock himself (was going to say mate but even the hock's mates know he is a loser not fit to tie shoe laces let alone coach) may the hock never work again for coming to leeds
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{Ed013's Note - You really are in Love with the Hock}
Yes ed it is safe to say I am not his biggest fan. Thing is I don't really get the hump or dislike anyone but he really got under my skin from day until the day I die (and maybe even after that) I will always have this dislike. I am the same with Arsenal I can't stand them with a passion and don't know why. My other dislikes. Neil Killkenny, Ken Bates (that's understandable), Stephen Crainey, Charlene Spiteri from Texas (no idea why think she is talented but can stand her), phil thompson, my ex, the lady who lives across the road with gammy eye and dead soul, Hitler and the nazi's and top of the list THE HOCK
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29 Aug 2014 18:05:11
Don't know what it is, but I am really beginning to think that you are not a fan of the Hock.
Think you are being generous with 12min of the first game, should never have been employed in the role in the first place (something about his demeanour that was awkward and uninspiring) - Hope MC recognises this and puts the right guy in charge and let's him do the job
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30 Aug 2014 02:10:19
Good hate list Bermondsey.
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For me you could add Cheryl Cole and Anthea Turner - site or sound of them makes my blood boil and not 100% sure why
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29 Aug 2014 08:17:39
Redfearn in charge? Earlier posts suggest that he has 'done us proud in the past'. Cannot recollect that period. I saw all the games when he was at the helm. I was inspired by his selection, style of play or results. They were no better than the manager he replaced. He is ok with the youngsters, that's about it. One thing about Cellino I can't see anybody correctly predicting who or what is coming next. Next coach could be anybody ranging from Di matteo to the ex manager of Gas Works Lane AFC. Happy days. Still think with a couple of decent signings things could turn around before the end of september/early October.
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I agree Hesslian, Redfearn offers not much more than Hockaday but he is our only option. The games Redfearn was in charge offered little change of style and he also does not like to use substitutes.
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29 Aug 2014 08:04:56
Possible managers/coaches
Aspin
Worthington
Clarke
Davis
Mackay
BM(only joking)
Pullis (couldnt afford)
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Pulis got boooooed EVERY week at Stoke, another George Graham get 10 behind the ball if we don't concede we don't lose.
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The same George Graham who laid the foundations for a Champions League Team; yeah what would we want a guy like that for?
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Agree juxta david o'leary would of been nothing without george graham's work before that is why we were upset when GG left because he was doing a good job, and we were playing great football when he left GG just sorted defence first, granted that was a bad season and still hold the record for least goals scored in prem season but it soon got better. i'd even have gg back himself
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29 Aug 2014 04:47:57
First post from a Leeds supporter for over 40 years . In my opinion there is only one person that should be offered the Leeds job and that is Mick McCarthy who almost certainly get us promoted
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He'd be a great appointment but too headstrong for Cellino.
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Don't rate mick he destroyed Millwall (love him for that but stay out of leeds please)
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29 Aug 2014 02:01:52
Timing of firing good in more ways than one. Bet you anything Adryan arrives Monday and he insisted on Hock going as a condition of his arrival.
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George
Grow up mate the Hocks gone let it be.
How on earth would Adryan know who the Hock is If he's coming he will be trying to locate Leeds ffs
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Well said Andy, these conspiracy theories people come out with are a joke . Even Ronaldo couldn't and wouldn't get a coach sacked .
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29 Aug 2014 21:56:17
With Adryan having landed at Yeadon tonight think you two owe me an apology.
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28 Aug 2014 22:58:42
Tell you what, if we go on a run now the job will be offered to Redders. ouch!
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He don't want it apparently
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Just let me clarify that, nowt against Redders, top bloke but it would put him in an impossible position in that he could hardly turn it down and it is a poisoned chalice as other people have said. Redders is a good no.2 but not so sure about No.1
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