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13 Aug 2020 19:19:03
I've come to conclusion Brighton and Liverpool are trying to work a flanker that leeds look else were and Liverpool come in then sly them you know whould not surprise me that.
13 Aug 2020 21:11:53
Would not surprise me at all Wigan White and that would make it easier on Ben White too re not going to Leeds but Liverpool instead.
13 Aug 2020 16:49:25
I think I've come to the conclusion that we are putting white on a pedestal, great player he helped us win promotion, he made us better I agree but we can't be held to ransom by Brighton and there is no doubt bielsa can unearth a gem at a fraction of the price . I just hope that Brighton play him at least next season and not ruin his chances.
13 Aug 2020 21:24:09
Yes Mighty he made us better but Bielsa made him the player he is now, Potter not in Bielsa league, can't see improving him, but we will see.
13 Aug 2020 16:04:45
What is stopping Ben White from submitting a transfer request and move to Leeds with Radz paying Brighton what he thinks Ben is worth rather than paying the money what Brighton thinks they can screw us for.
13 Aug 2020 16:36:20
Exactly PLAB nail hit on head!
Nothing is stopping him! .
His continued inaction on submitting a transfer request (for nearly 2 weeks ) says it all about BW and his agent true intent.
Time for Leeds United to swiftly move on from Brighton, BW and his agent!
13 Aug 2020 17:49:16
As far as I understand it, a transfer request is just a letter saying that he wants to leave. It carries no legal weight and so can just be ignored for the club but can carry the threat of financial penalty to the player. Brighton have a policy of turning down requests because if the club wanted to sell then a request wouldn’t be needed.
What White has done supposedly is turn down two new contracts so he is making his feelings clear in another way.
I think it’s a difficult situation and important opportunity for the player as well. Let’s see what Chelsea and Liverpool do, still plenty of time before the window closes. I suspect that White will be a professional, get his head down and do well in pre season training which is why Bielsa rates him so much and will make Brighton want to keep him more.
13 Aug 2020 18:50:25
Spanish. I like your posts a lot but on this particular point I disagree
turning down 2 new contracts is not a real sign of intent, just playing his cards close to his chest waiting for the next improved financial offer etc now, in 6 months or in 1 year and also seeing what else must materialise down the line
But handing in a transfer request now is a CLEAR sign of intent . i.e the player is NOT happy at the club now . the player wants to move from the club NOW. not in 6 months or 1 year down the line .
I don't believe that Brighton keep unhappy players . very few clubs do as it affects morale of the squad for starters.
13 Aug 2020 19:13:22
You going to pay him the money he would lose from putting in a transfer request Baz?
Most players who are sold without putting in a request get a payout as part of the deal (remember Alan Smith turning his down when were were in financial trouble! ) .
13 Aug 2020 20:12:34
Yes Canada indeed there is a payout to a player as part of the deal having not put in a transfer request .
And that is exactly tbe point I am making BW and I expect his agent even more so principally interested in the money only it seems not the player development
. BW is going to make a fortune in his career regardless
I am sure BW can more than handle not receiving a payment if it meant a move to a club that would really develop his game
# money money money is king.
13 Aug 2020 20:24:49
Bazooka, from memory Brighton haven’t granted a written transfer request for 5/ 6 years and there have been a few. It’s their policy which also discouraged them as no point doing it.
Also I think you play down not agreeing to two new contract offers which presumably means turning down better money and a longer contract. No player knows what will happen tomorrow, his career could be over or he has a crap start to the season. It’s a bold move for a player to reject what I would imagine are much better financial terms given his last deal was negotiated after a league one loan and he has never played a league game for Brighton.
I think this one still has a few weeks and possibly a few more offers to run.
13 Aug 2020 20:44:11
Interesting points Spanish
Curious to know which Brighton players, Brighton have turned down transfer requests in the past 5 or 6 years?
because if a player really wants out it is normally very disruptive to a club to keep him. I can't believe those Brighton players that had rebutted transfer requests remained at Brighton much longer than 6 months maximum a year thereon .
Leeds have had plenty and they all left pretty sheepish Saiz being the most recent.
13 Aug 2020 21:08:01
I think it's likely the agent makes more money from a transfer than not, so of course he wants the move.
Yes he should make the deal the best he can for himself and BW, but no transfer won't be it!
13 Aug 2020 21:33:14
Maybe he is hoping Liverpool come in for him. English champions, Jurgen Klopp and probably a load more money than we could afford.
13 Aug 2020 22:42:40
Bazooka. I think (maybe wrong) both their current centre halves (Donk and the other chap) have both put in transfer requests in the past, both denied and they got on with the job without disruption, so I don’t think Brighton fear turning them down.
No accusations or blame should be measured at BW, he has to do what is right for him, and he is doing so with integrity, and it is Brighton who hold all of the cards!
I hope he comes but if not, I wish him all the best and we get someone else equally as good, there are other alternatives, well I hope so because I think we need 2, one to replace Coops, I don’t believe he is good enough for the Premiership.
13 Aug 2020 22:55:39
Bazooka,
“Lewis Dunk, Dale Stephens and Elliott Bennett have handed in transfer requests to Bloom previously and all three have been rejected. Not since the departure of Leonardo Ulloa for £8m to Leicester City in the summer of 2014 have Brighton sold a player they wished to keep. ”
From an article looking at where White might end up playing football next year. Just think with their boss, handing in a written doesn’t really work although I guess all at the club know what he wants to do.
14 Aug 2020 07:50:12
Spanish and MG interesting and informative thank you. So the Brighton owner Tony Bloom really does have iron clad control over ( most of ) his players.
Interesting that it was a non Brit Ulloa that last got his wish to leave and the 3 Brits did not.
Fair comments from both of you about BW and as such I have a tad revised my opinions about him accordingly.
13 Aug 2020 16:16:22
It will be interesting to see how good BW actually is and how he develops as a player in the Premier League under say the managerial midas touches of those geniuses Fat Frankie or Graham ' Harry' Potter assuming BW actually gets decent game time or is just benchwarming.
I am tad surprised at BW I thought his progression as a player under El Magico. Bielsa would be paramount for him but it seems he and his agent are only really interested in holding out to see the best financial deal rather than best deal for his progression and development as a footballer.
Definitely for me Leeds United need to completely move on from Brighton, BW and his agent.
Hope Leeds spend BIG on the more crucial signings proven natural goalscorer and creative player like King Pablo. 💜💜.
13 Aug 2020 17:28:40
Have to agree. We can't blow all the budget on one player. Rada will be stingy enough without it.
13 Aug 2020 22:49:22
Can’t quite believe BW is getting flak
He’s under contract, I think he’s keen to return but he’s under contract
Staying silent is the smart move
He’s rejected new terms which as Spanish says shows he’d rather be elsewhere
Playing for Leeds gives him the best shot of an England call up alongside KP
Liverpool are not looking to spend big so think that’s a non starter.
Chelsea may come in they may not
Sit tight, he may be coming home in the next year or so.
13 Aug 2020 16:06:38
A few thoughts on prospects for next season . Despite the fact that I think we may end up not getting our main targets or at least getting them too late in the window to make a difference until January, I happen to think we will do rather well . Leeds finished their season before just about every other team in the league . The players all had a two week break ( more than sufficient given the 3 months off during lockdown ) and will be fresh, super fit and motivated after a good 5 week Bielsa preseason . They will be sure to be up for giving the prem upstarts some bloody noses . Compare that to the rest of the division . The top six will have had truncated preseasons due to their involvement in European competition ( albeit they are being given a few more days off ) and for the rest playing in empty stadiums again is going to be like ground hog day for them . I think we will be fitter and more motivated than our opponents. We will dominate a lot of matches . I just hope that the players play with the freedom they showed after winning promotion especially in the final third and converting our chances . If they can be a little more clinical I can see us in the top 8, at least for the first three or four months .
13 Aug 2020 16:41:28
Good points RHC tend to agree and hope proves true.
13 Aug 2020 18:00:14
RHC, I think your right, we have those advantages and the feeling of a winning team and great collective spirit but it is a completely different league. We have a style of play that generally equipped us well and last year with Ben White we had less mad melt down moments like the Cardiff 3-3, going 0-2 against Millwall and the goalfest with Birmingham. The season before without White we had more defensive wobbles. The White replacement or replacements are key!
For me our two weaknesses for prem football are not taking enough of the chances and over attacking creating defensive frailty that better clubs will exploit more effectively. It’s going to be very interesting to see and I suspect once again our games will be great to watch, particularly for the neutrals. Important we find ways of beating the bottom half and taking 3 points from those games. Can’t wait to get going!
13 Aug 2020 20:39:49
totally agree Spanish. Even the great man himself has highlighted our conversion rate. Thus making our striker (whoever he may be) vitally important however not far behind, the midfield will be tasked with upping their tally. You always felt they were looking for the perfect goal instead of just netting it, first chance.
13 Aug 2020 15:36:51
I genuinely haven't really seen much of Cody dramah at all but he seems a good prospect.
13 Aug 2020 16:18:39
He has represented England youth teams I believe so suggests he has good ability.
13 Aug 2020 16:59:41
Yeah I think we needed some cover at right back, especially with Berardi out and Dallas keeps filling in all over the place so to have an actually right back with potential is good.
13 Aug 2020 18:02:13
He has also played left back and interestingly CB once, I wonder if Bielsa has a plan! Well no, I’m sure he has a plan but could it be to play him in a different position?
13 Aug 2020 13:57:28
Are we saying that there is only one player in the world as good as Ben White? Are we saying that Qarta, Foyth etc. are nowhere near as good as Ben White. Surely if we unearthed Ben White then somebody, somewhere can do the same job for us. Given a modicum of skill and a teacher like Bielsa. Let's not get fixated to the detriment of other targets. Spending most of the kitty on one man, no matter how good he is, and not being able to afford quality in other positions.
13 Aug 2020 15:33:15
I reckon we can buy 3 defenders for 30 that biesla can make better.
I reckon we need two bloody good cb at 5-10 each. A Bang em in striker At 20 ish.
White next year at 5.
13 Aug 2020 11:32:14
The JKA conundrum.
I feel that Vìctor Orta and Leeds will not be able to extract themselves from the foolhardy mistake of JKA transfer CONTRACT loan to buy £21 million. fee.
Trying to in a court of law. will be a lengthy process and add considerable further costs in lawyers fees on both sides and likely in all eventuality Leeds having to pay all lawyers fees and JKA salary while he is in limbo and not playing for another 6 months or so waiting for a legal resolution.
That could add say easily another £5 to £10 million in costs and salary payments plus you have an even further disenfranchised unfit player
Leeds need to suck it up and try and make tne best of a bad transfer decision
get JKA over here, get him fit and if he really can't still be useful and fit into Bielsa Ball coming on from bench and scoring goals then Leeds should try and sell him next window (s) to recoup hopefully a decent amount in a transfer fee.
13 Aug 2020 11:44:21
I think the Ricky Alvarez case where Sunderland had to fork out the agreed fee plus additional costs is the precedent here and there were some injury complications to that case. Having said that, depends on what is in the contract and how the extended format to the season due to cv complicates it. But Bielsa being Bielsa, he is not going to put up with a player effecting the group morale who he doesn’t think has the right attitude. If it comes to it, buy him, sell him on at a loss and use some of the money we would have spent on White!
13 Aug 2020 11:44:44
Baz he’s broken, his body just can’t handle it.
13 Aug 2020 12:46:30
Can’t see how we can get out of it he would have had a medical so it’s down the them for not doing there job properly and the management in agreeing to the contract but hay we all make mistakes, not sure what his wages are and if he’s not fit loan him to a club in leg 2 cause no one will buy him or pay up and let him go on a free don’t waste more in fighting it as it will cost millions.
13 Aug 2020 12:57:11
Why not include JKA in a deal for Gonzales.
13 Aug 2020 13:13:55
Agree all above except Taddy.
If we can’t get him fit enough sell him off and learn by our mistakes or include as a buy one and get one free type of thing.
Def got potential and will be ok in lesser euro leagues like la Liga etc 👍.
13 Aug 2020 13:40:13
No more injury prone so far than Tyler or Nketiah or prior to last season Bamford.
Bielsas methods have asked more of his body than anything he has previously been exposed to.
We don't know if he can get as fit as required.
If we look at it another way (instead of with our typical Yorkshire negativity) , maybe he wanted to be playing here and for Bielsa so much he pushed his body too quickly and kept getting injured as a result. He certainly looked in better shape after the the virus break than before.
None of use know if his attitude was bad, the club di and that could be the reason they want to get out of the deal. Who knows.
13 Aug 2020 13:58:40
It’s going to be about the wording of the contract. If for example it said “ have to buy him if promoted by the end of May 2020, well we weren’t and we might have returned him as soon as it would be clear that we weren’t promoted by that time! somone will have to take a call on whether or not it is worth a legal fight!
13 Aug 2020 14:36:12
Another transfer masterclass from Orta. I also think we will have to pay up.
13 Aug 2020 14:44:25
Ausman, surely someone have to question the logic that it took getting involved in a player with the baggage he had, and Monaco biting the hand off for the possibility of them extracting themselves from their loan agreement. Another Victor" diamond" unearthed, at a very very high price.
A price which if enforced will definitely have a knock on effect of our operating budget for the coming season .
13 Aug 2020 15:35:47
I agree about knock on effect but nobody gets it right all the time.
13 Aug 2020 16:31:31
Alf and Chris - won't you ever give up on the 'Orta mistakes' line! All clubs will have mishaps in the transfer market. For example, in 2011 Liverpool bought Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing and Charlie Adam for a total of more than £63m.
13 Aug 2020 17:32:00
And whoever was responsible for those transfers at Liverpool should have lost their jobs. What is your point?
I think you have to look at all signings in balance and taking into account all Ortas transfer dealings he has been awful. I wouldn't trust him with my niece's pocket money.
13 Aug 2020 18:05:12
Fair post clueless, I think Chelsea played 72 million for a goalkeeper and now want to buy another one!
13 Aug 2020 19:26:39
Mishaps you say clueless? Try a whole team of mishaps and more, I can give you 11 donkeys unearthed by Victor right now, indeed everyone can make a mistake but not a whole bunch full
Furthermore the fact that we are not exactly an oil rich club, the financial repercussions of Victor's " mishaps" bare a lot heavier ramification.
13 Aug 2020 11:19:41
It’s evident that Brighton are holding out for that 40 Mil offer on BW. I know most of us would say to pay that amount would be absolutely crazy but I honestly believe BW is a very good, all be it Championship CB with the potential to become one of the best in the Premiership.
His value in my estimation with time will exceed 40 Mil.
This amount probably wouldn’t be paid in one go, we speculate as to how much Radz can spend. If he does spend 40 Mil on BW, you can be sure he can afford it. Radz is not a Peter Ridsdale.
13 Aug 2020 11:39:21
The thing is OP this saga needs to be concluded quickly and I am not convinced that Brighton would even accept a £40 million bid. They clearly would prefer to keep him.
Sorry but BW now needs to prove he wants to come to Leeds and force a move quickly by putting in a transfer request pronto.
13 Aug 2020 11:49:32
I actually think Brighton don’t want to sell him. Get him back and build the back of the team around him. I think he can still offer more coming forward and although his goal was a one off, does show he can hit it. He could be enough to keep them in the premiership for a few more years. Great call by them to let him go on loan to Leeds and not allow a buy on clause. I wouldn’t spend. 40 million on him, just not in that position yet.
13 Aug 2020 12:04:44
Other point about Brighton’s approach on White, it’s not a one off, for a few years they have refused to sell players even after transfer requests in some cases. Perhaps the person we need to get off them is their CB scout who seems to be doing a good job!
13 Aug 2020 12:30:54
The point is Spanish I believe Bielsa has told Radz to acquire BW at all costs possible, otherwise I think this saga would be dead in the pan already. Who knows, maybe it is already, Brighton probably don’t want to sell him but money always wins.
13 Aug 2020 11:13:58
Agree with most on here, BW not worth 30 mill, other options avaliable, going to through a name into the mix, Dickie from Oxford, 3 mill, not to start but 1 who in time will improve under Bielsa, and before people go on about div 1 step up and all that, were was Ben White playing season before last, Peterboro in div1, 1 season under MB he is worth silly money now.
13 Aug 2020 11:06:46
I have become a bit less of a fan of BW in the past week as he and his agent have shown no desire to put in a transfer request which well and truly would have assisted in. a transfer anc probably of more reasonable fee.
If BW does finally put in a transfer reqest in the next day or so then Leeds should make it clear that £30 million is their FINAL offer ( still around £8 to 10 million over the odds )
If BW does NOT put in said transfer request by say tomorrow then sorry Ben but you and your agent need to well. and truly do one and Leeds should draw a line under this sorry saga of greedy Brighton and in reality non committal bordering on slightly disingenous BW (and his agent (.
13 Aug 2020 11:46:00
His agent is being canny, holding out for who will pay most for him so his cut is bigger.
13 Aug 2020 11:54:33
It’s premiership football! Brighton not being greedy, might actually want to keep him and use him and letting the market do the talking. Likewise White needs to manage two camps of fans, he is after all a Brighton player and was out on loan on conditions everyone agreed. We see it from the Leeds perspective, but there is the Brighton perspective and also the player and agent view that there might still be Liverpool or Chelsea interest. Let’s see how he goes in Brighton pre season training.
13 Aug 2020 12:05:14
In which case Taddy and Spanish Leeds really need to move on from BW and his agent
it's over.
13 Aug 2020 09:16:26
Important season for Tyler Roberts! Still more about promise than delivery. He seems to come on and have very bright spells but consistency over 90mins? and that was in the championship and not the premiership. Needs a strong pre season, an injury free start and an opportunity that he can seize . With new players coming in and younger ones developing, I can see him fading away if he doesn't have a good year. Would seem to be a good bench player at the moment as he can cover various positions on the pitch, even cover one half for Pablo and the other for Bamford!
13 Aug 2020 10:05:50
Sorry Spanish, Roberts has not one tenth of the skill and guile of Pablo. Maybe, Maybe, a back up for Bamford but in all my projected line ups he does not feature anywhere.
13 Aug 2020 10:35:09
Fair point Leodis, shows the wide variety of views on him. I think some posters on here really rate him. You’re right Pablo is in a different league but also with a lot more experience. Think it shows this season is important for him to forge an identity and get more game time or he could. Just disappear. Not sure I would give up on him yet but needs to find a role and deliver consistently.
13 Aug 2020 10:48:56
Think he will be found out in prem. Like his skill in burst but not sure good enough for step up. Unfortunately.
13 Aug 2020 11:08:42
Tyler has talent but very rarely shows it . hugely disappointing player generally
Tyler is not even in the same universe as King Pablo.
13 Aug 2020 14:47:07
He was fit and got game time at the end of the season and was sadly found wanting for me. Big season this year if he is to prove he has got what it takes.
13 Aug 2020 07:00:19
Not been on in a long time, probably not since promotion. Hope you're all keeping well.
Just like to comment on the White situation, I think anything more than 25 million is too much. Look what brighton paid for webster having never played a game. Look what liverpool paid for gomez. White is not a 25m+ player in any team other than ours if you ask me.
Alternatives, gabriel magalhaes linked with arsenal and man utd from Lille a very good season, 22 years old and exactly the sort of defender we'd need. Ethan pinnock from Brentford a much cheaper option you'd imagine, Casey, Struijk, Kenneh all to come through, give youth a go, we're yet to see bielsa fail to physically improve a player if i'm not wrong, maybe the only one is kiko?
Trust in the process, Bielsa will have alternatives.
13 Aug 2020 07:56:55
Agree Samo. Hope we don’t waste that much in white when biesla can make a cheaper player as good.
Unless as someone said that white is a provision of biesla signing. Then we got a bit of a prob.
13 Aug 2020 09:24:28
I can't imagine bielsa would put that kind of stipulation on the club. He would probably strongly advise that White is signed, there's obviously a reason he head hunted him last season in the first place, he sees something in white nobody else did and now it's clear, but There are better defenders, and better ball playing centre halves. I love white but 25+ is beyond a joke and bielsa should know that.
I imagine he told radz that he wants to see commitment to signing white in various efforts, but bielsa is reasonable and if Brighton refuse to sell that's simply not Radz fault.
13 Aug 2020 09:45:22
I think Radz uses the loan-to-buy business model as well as any owner we have had so far.
Granted Brighton didn't want to do such a deal last year, for White, but in all honesty did we want to be fixing a large transfer fee on such an unproven League One. A League One player that wasn't in that year's Team Of The Year.
I won't be surprised if Radz offers BHA a £35m loan-to-buy. If he carrys on progressing as he has done he will be worth the money. If he doesn't then we don't pay the balance (a loan fee is usually asked for) . If we stay up we know we can afford his fee. If we get relegated then I imagine White will not want to sign for us anyway.
In my basic opinion (I am no rocket scientist) I can only see wins here for everyone.
Furthering this point (and I hope I am not diluting it) I can see Augustine being given another loan-to-buy contract. If, after his few months of Bielsa training he is still happy to come to us ut shows character. Then we give him a proper pre-season. Then he gets to challenge for a spot for a season. If he does well then the £22m (minus the loan fees we have already paid) will be a good piece of business.
13 Aug 2020 10:01:57
It seems the CB strategy was buy Ben White and to be fair, most people would have thought 30 million would do it so you can’t say we haven’t tried. Very brave of Brighton and they now need to make the most of him and we need to move on. Struick is growing in confidence but looked better in the KP role than his cameos at CB.
That doesn’t leave us many options and with clubs knowing we are desperate for a CB, prices will rise, Foyth was quoted at 7/ 8 million last summer, played one half of prem football and price is 14 plus! I’d love to see what is going on at the training ground. If we get Cody from Fulham, he might be another option at CB, played there once at Fulham and you never know that might be what Bielsa sees in him!
13 Aug 2020 10:41:45
The gossip and that’s all it is is that Bielsa said White or someone as good, not easy!
Suspect with Augustin it’s about more than just fitness, he doesn’t fit the group. Can’t see Bielsa wanting him back and if he does come back, won’t play him!
I think attitude is so key for Bielsa, watch Poveda reaction to Leeds goals when he was a sub and keen for his chance and then the way he played in the last two games and celebrated Shacks goals. The attitude and team spirit of this team is a massive advantage. Think that’s why Pontus went and Augustin didn’t work and possibly why we’ve let a few others go as well.