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19 Oct 2021 16:47:35
I'll hold my hands up. I was one who thought we had enough this year to consolidate without spending millions. ( I did say that James was not the answer and would be worse the Costa which I still think will be proven) .
My main concern now though is that problems we have are being made to look worse by Bielsa and his refusal to give the youngsters a proper chance.
The fact we can all name the team Bielsa will play when 90 % of us want the same changes speaks for itself. I will always be grateful for what Bielsa gave us, no one can take that away from him but he is seriously tarnishing his reputation.
Neither Radz, Orta or Bielsa have made enough correct decisions recently and without them realising their mistakes and putting a corrective plan in place then we are in trouble.


1.) 19 Oct 2021 17:13:58
6 first team starters out, and all of a sudden, the gaffer is “tarnishing his reputation”? . We have enjoyed the best of Bielsa, and the worst of Bielsa, for sure, but I’d still rather have him, than anyone else in the world! We get everyone back and clicking again, and we are sorted.

2.) 19 Oct 2021 17:33:39
re Bielsa ' seriously tarnishing his reputation ' agreed ; especially if we go down ( between 5 or 6 teams perhaps)

Has Bielsa been overrated by Leeds fans?
Have some of the players lost faith in Bielsa?
There is a reason he has never remained very long at any club in his career?

Still maintain that without Pablo ( not an Orta or Bielsa signing and possibly underrated/ not appreciated enough by some Leeds fans/ posters )

that even with Bielsa, Leeds would most likely still have been in the Championship under AR, VO and MB.

3.) 19 Oct 2021 18:49:03
At least you admit it TJ instead of coming up with endless excuses. Respect.

4.) 19 Oct 2021 19:45:09
What’s that Alf because someone’s view matches that of your own that’s kudos, respect is it, if only life were so simple.

What happened to ALAW irrespective of an individuals opinion?

5.) 19 Oct 2021 19:50:45
Obsession or pure delusion
We would still be in championship if it we didn't have Pablo
Didnt realise we were a 1 man team that season.

6.) 19 Oct 2021 20:32:59
Bright, yes I do think he is tarnishing his reputation, precisely because I don't think he is doing anything to suggest he knows how to cover for those missing first teamers. You or I could pick the team he is picking without difficulty.
If he brought 1, 2 or even 3 of the youngsters in, playing their correct positions I believe it would balance the team better, their energy and will to impress would give us a better chance than the proven underachievers (we know who they are) currently are.
At least that would suggest to me that some thought and inspiration was going into selection.

7.) 19 Oct 2021 20:37:53
Baz - one of the main reasons Bielsa hasn’t stayed long at clubs in Europe has been broken promises by the clubs’ boards.

It seems that not happy to make do with having great powers of hindsight, you also revel in speculation and innuendo. Perhaps you should consider trying your hand at a little clickbait journalism.

8.) 19 Oct 2021 20:47:01
We weren't a one man team Richie

but Pablo was certainly that vital creative quality and inspriration for the rest of his team mates that got us over the promotion line;

his 9 goals and 12 assists ( contributing to 21 goals) the difference from being Champions or in play offs

believe what you want to believe by all means, nothing is more certain from my perspective how crucial Pablo was.

9.) 19 Oct 2021 20:52:23
Apparently the Athletic are tapping me up having read your recommendation Clu.

10.) 19 Oct 2021 21:31:36
Baz - as you apparently relied on clickbait sources for you red flags on JKA, you are perhaps not best placed to cast such aspersions at The Athletic.

Incidentally, as I’m still awaiting Alf’s response on who he considers Phil Hay and those at the Square Ball to be clickbait merchants or Board apologists, and who he considers to be genuine sources of info on our Club, it would be interesting to get your views on the matter in the meantime.

11.) 19 Oct 2021 22:25:21
Sorry I didn't realise you were awaiting a response. I think I've already made the point that Phil Hay relies on being close to the club for his livlihood and therefore is happy to trot the company line to preserve that friendship and therefore is happy to write flattering stories about the club and not ruffle any feathers. He also never bothered to do any real journalism about Bates of GFH during their reins so a familiar pattern emerging. You can believe the propaganda all you want Clu (many do) but I prefer to take different sources into account and then ask my own questions.

12.) 19 Oct 2021 22:56:14
Alf - you still haven’t given your views on the Square Ball and on who (if anyone) amongst the many who comment on Leeds you would see as not an apologist for the Board or clickbait merchant.

13.) 19 Oct 2021 23:46:27
Alf - Bielsa is well know for having walked out on Clubs because he didn’t feel he was getting the support he required from the respective Boards. He is also known to take great interest in how he and his methods are portrayed in the media etc, and has been tetchy with the media when feeling unfairly criticised.

You asked previously, how do we know that Bielsa particularly wanted Costa and Rodrigo?, with your implied suggestion being that this might be Club misinformation/ propaganda. Bielsa’s keenness for the two signings has been reported both by Phil Hay and The Square Ball. Are you seriously suggesting that the Club would put out such information to Phil Hay, as an apologist for the Board, and to others in order to protect Uncle Victor from allegations of incompetence in recruitment, and that Bielsa would be happy for the Board to disseminate lies about him in order to deflect criticism from themselves?

14.) 20 Oct 2021 07:37:08
Yes 100% Clu. Sounds exactly the kind of line that Orta or Kinnear would trot out as an 'exclusive' to their pet journalists so that they are seen in a good light. Mate, wise up - football clubs are not stupid, they are often experts in media and public relations and Radz made his fortune in media. Do you seriously think what they release to friendly journos doesn't have more spin than a washing machine?

15.) 20 Oct 2021 08:01:54
What was the actual source that gave the info that the square ball and PH printed Clu? Not the journos but the source?

16.) 20 Oct 2021 09:17:43
Alf - you missed out the second - and essential - point. In your world, Bielsa is apparently happy not only with being given players he didn’t want but also to be blamed for Orta’s mistakes. This is the Bielsa who is known to value support from a Club above everything else, and to walk out if not properly supported. The Bielsa who was so unhappy at the way he was portrayed in the media over Spygate that he arranged that infamous press presentation on the analysis undertaken before matches.

If you’re happy to believe your version of events just to support your internal narrative on Orta and the wider Board, that’s up to you, but I’m surprised that others seem to believe some of the stuff you write on here.

Don’t go telling me to wise up, mate, I’m very aware of how the business world works - and like most Leeds fans am also inherently suspicious of anyone who takes ownership of the Club into their temporary custody. On balance I currently feel the present Board are doing a decent job. Nevertheless, I evaluate any information about the way they are operating to see how it fits with other information about the people involved. There’s not many managers out there who would be happy to be made to look a fool by the Board, and Bielsa is among those least likely to tolerate it. He will know everything that Hay has written in The Athletic about him, and has almost certainly read Hay’s recent book. If there were lies written about him, we would certainly know about it, particularly if those lies had emanated from the Board.

I’m quite well acquainted with the real world, thank you, and it would seem to be you who currently prefers to inhabit an alternative one.

17.) 20 Oct 2021 14:04:35
From your reply though Clu it is clear that you think 2 things about Bielsa: 1, that he values winning above all else and 2 that if he isn't winning he will be unhappy. If you do your research on Bielsa outside of Phil Hays book you would understand an alternative point of view that Bielsa sees success as developing individual players and so long as he has players to coach he is happy. So far the board haven't stopped him from doing that and he is happy to take on the challenge of working with poorer players. With that in mind your assumptions turn out to be unfounded. Whether Bielsa stays or goes doesn't hang on the board bringing in quality, it depends on him being allowed to continue with his project in a way that he feels is best. He came to a club not on the understanding that he would get the best players but on the understanding that he would get to develop poorer players and youth players into his system. In short I don't think he demands a certain standard of player (more on personal characteristics and work ethic) so in that way the club haven't failed him nor have they done anything anything upset him enough to make him leave. Those two factors do not make Orta a good DOF just one that is afraid to upset Bielsa.

18.) 20 Oct 2021 14:27:38
And Orta shows he is afraid of Bielsa by getting friendly journos to tell lies about him, so as to protect himself? Get real Alf. One of the things Bielsa values about Leeds is the great chemistry between the Club, fans and the wider city, which gets even stronger when the the Club is successful. So when results are not going so well and fans are unhappy about some of the signings - like Costa and Rodrigo - to you honestly believe Bielsa would be happy to take the blame for that - just because he gets the opportunity to improve some players.

Also, do you also honestly believe that all I know about Bielsa is what is written in one book by Phil Hay. You seem to want to come up with some kind of weird construct, with ‘facts’ about individuals which on your own mind is believable, and which you hope others will believe in too.

19.) 20 Oct 2021 16:04:45
Spin isn't about lies necessarily Clu, just painting real events in a certain way. For example, the truth that Bielsa only had 2 players to pick from, chose 1 and then wanted to know how quickly they were joining becomes 'Bielsa couldn't wait for them to join and bugged me about it every day'. Not entirely true but not a lie either. Of course the info given to the journo will paint the one providing it in a positive light - that's spin.

20.) 20 Oct 2021 18:01:49
Trying to spin your way out of a corner yourself by the sound of it Alf - not that it works.

Whatever way it’s phrased, you’ve previously suggested that Orta (who you now say is afraid of upsetting Bielsa) has fobbed Bielsa off with high priced players he doesn’t actually want, and who plainly don’t fit his system - which would upset any manager - let alone Bielsa. When the apparently inevitable happens (according to you and Baz) and the signings are a failure, Orta gets friendly journos to exonerate him from any blame by suggesting that Bielsa was very keen for those particular signings. Not forgetting, this is the Uncle Victor who continues to be very scared of upsetting the famously combustible Bielsa, who has previously walked out on clubs when he’s felt the Board has lied to him, and is also a stickler for integrity in all things. Spin and buck-passing would be anathema to Bielsa, and the Board knows that.

Yes Alf, you’re right in one respect. Orta and the rest of the Board very definitely do not want to upset Bielsa. And yet, if Orta had operated in the ways you and Baz try to suggest, he would most certainly have upset Bielsa, and he would have known that.

21.) 20 Oct 2021 19:03:36
I give up. You only see what you want to see and constantly sin any narrative to suit your pro-orta agenda. Not sure if you are being deliberately obtuse or you actually believe your own nonsense but either way I'm bored of having my words twisted by someone who is never wrong. Whatever.

22.) 20 Oct 2021 22:25:31
Alf - I don’t need to twist your words, you get yourself in a twist without any help.

I don’t actually have a pro-Orta agenda, merely trying to provide balance to the anti-Orta agenda being pushed by you and Baz in particular - trying to challenge some of the seemingly lazy assumptions and hindsight based conclusions you so often seem to be making and the ridiculous clickbait based JKA 🚩🚩🚩🚩 from Baz, which were not actually supported by the statically fact etc etc etc. As I’ve said before, more than once, I was very strongly critical of Orta in his first year and beyond, before I started reading into things - no not just by reading Phil Hay articles etc as you will presume, and recognised there were a wider range of factors that needed to be considered to get a full understanding. He’s also done some very good stuff at Leeds - and yes, obviously made some mistakes, but all DoFs make mistakes. Oh, and by the way, your the one that only sees what you want to see, and conveniently ignore the bleeding obvious facts because do not fit your narrative.



19 Sep 2021 22:37:34
On a positive note, we're only 10 points off top :)


1.) 20 Sep 2021 07:34:20
Only six points from 6th place and Europe.



31 Aug 2021 17:58:59
Not sure on Dan James. To me he's Costa mark 2, very decent on their day but that's only every 5 or 6 matches at best.

Hope I'm proved wrong but for me he's a £5m squad player at best.

Know a few Man Utd fans and most are laughing their socks off at this one.


1.) 31 Aug 2021 18:21:25
I don’t think Dan James fitted well into Man yous style of football, it’s my opinion that he is absolutely tailor made for Bielsa ball. I also think he is good to go, no mandatory 2 or 3 months of subs bench for the fella. Exciting times ahead.

2.) 31 Aug 2021 18:39:13
OP, that's the one hope I'm clinging to. My other half tells me I'm very rarely right so let's hope I'm true to form!

3.) 31 Aug 2021 19:08:15
I agree totally OP! Bielsa has wanted him for over two years, so will have plans for the young man!

4.) 31 Aug 2021 19:17:57
Playing Devils advocate here but didn't he want Costa and Rodrigo too?

5.) 31 Aug 2021 20:51:26
Possibly didn’t realise just how paper-thin Costa’s confidence is, and that competition for his place from a better player would more likely send him into a shell than inspire him to reach a higher level. As for Rodrigo, better things will come from him yet.

Even if Dan James has an off day going forward, we can be sure that he will put in a good, and effective, shift defensively - and that already puts him ahead of both Costa and Rodrigo currently.

6.) 31 Aug 2021 20:54:49
I understand that Rodrigo was a V. Orta idea (which Bielsa of course accept) and Costas did a great job on the championship but apparently not as good level for Premier requirements.

After the time of adaptation, Harrison bench and James inside, no 10 for Rafina. My point of view. :)

7.) 31 Aug 2021 21:22:13
Fair comments Clue and MABC, I'm feeling a little more positive now, cheers.

8.) 31 Aug 2021 21:59:58
TJ when you consider what Utd have spent on Pogba, Fred, Harry, Di Maria, Sanchez wages, etc, etc

Well the Utd fans can never ever slag off a rival club for paying over the odds for a player.

9.) 01 Sep 2021 10:59:43
Very true Chris. Still think this is a 50/ 50 but you're right can't see us ever wasting as much as that lot.



14 Aug 2021 17:26:52
No need to panic. Multiple players on Man Utd team each cost roughly the same as our entire team. We won't be playing that quality every week and hopefully we'll have KP back.
Decent season ahead, around mid table I'd think.


1.) 14 Aug 2021 17:56:27
You miss the bigger picture

Around mid table will be an achievement of sorts for Leeds ( have a feeling we will finish much lower) but even mid table won't be sufficient enough progress for KP and Raphinia to be more susceptible to bids

No forward progress in Leeds league position will also make it more likely Bielsa may call it a day.

It has been vital for this season to make further significant quality investment in the team and squad to continue to progress forward.

2.) 14 Aug 2021 18:08:14
Not missing the bigger picture, just have a different view of what it is. You can throw money idefinately at the squad and we've seen where that got us last time.
You are afraid we'll lose players in the future, well that's almost a given, even Man U and Liverpool have had to sell in the past.
It might be great to think we are going to compete with the big boys in the next couple of years but likely the model is more similar to a Leicester really. The key is steady progress and when not if we sell players it's about how wisely we reinvest that money.
Throwing money at the situation and hoping we never have to sell and/ or lose the manager is quite naive.

3.) 14 Aug 2021 18:25:47
Yep and we've almost missed the boat on that. Huge opportunity squandered.

4.) 14 Aug 2021 18:55:35
Tj no one has mentioned to throw money 'indefinitely' at the squad

but a happy medium to make progress of signing two very much needed players a much needed number 8 ( who can play 6 also) and a CAM ( to replace Pablo) would not break the bank.

'steady progess' is not finishing lower down the league from the season previous ;

hopefully as ever if we can avoid significant key injuries we may still achieve mid table.

5.) 14 Aug 2021 21:26:59
We will be still challenging for Europe come season end, worry not. The top 6 have earned so much disgusting amounts of money over the last 20 years, that it’s almost impossible to compete, which was always going to be the problem with the PL. we WILL get there!



04 Aug 2021 01:59:47
So they're looking at reducing the marginal VAR offsides by increasing the distance between the lines or something to that effect.
We all want attacking football and entertainment so why don't they say that if any part of a player is onside then they are onside, instead of what we have now which is the reverse and effectively reduces goalscoring opportunities.
It would be fair as its the same for both teams, goals per games increase on average and less frustration for offsides.
Remember last season when Paddy put his arm out to signal where he wanted the ball playing and it got ruled as offside, well crazy decisions like that would be a thing of the past.


1.) 04 Aug 2021 06:57:28
Totally agree, it was ridiculous last season. When a striker wants to move toward the goal they will naturally lean in that direction as well which put some of them offside. Should be about where tge players feet are as opposed to an arm or shoulder.

2.) 04 Aug 2021 12:56:04
Torso only should count, pure random nature of leg position during running relative to another players legs is effectively un controllable and arms can't score.




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03 Aug 2022 16:49:25
I wouldn't be totally against Harrison going to the Barcodes and replacing him with Cornet who can cover both the wing and full back positions.
Leave it at that if we think Firpo will come good or still get in another LB if not.




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03 Aug 2022 16:47:28
Agreed Mighty, apart from maybe Dallas depending how he his on his return.




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03 Aug 2022 16:46:24

Possibly a better contract (unlikely I would have thought but who knows? ) or a falling out with someone, maybe a player (Meslier? ) or one of the more senior management team.

All seemed to happen quickly that's for sure.




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17 Jun 2022 11:23:47
Costa Mark 2. No thanks. Wolves already had our pamts down once for a crap winger.




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12 May 2022 16:46:46
I've noticed we've been crap.